In Praise of American Empire

[Divinus Arma]

In praise of American empire

By Dinesh D'Souza

RANCHO SANTA FE, CALIF. – America has become an empire, a fact that Americans are reluctant to admit and that critics of the United States regard with great alarm.
Since the end of the cold war, the US has exercised an unparalleled and largely unrivaled influence throughout the world – economically, politically, culturally, and militarily. Critics of America, at home and abroad, are right to worry about how US power is being used.

The critics charge that America is no different from other rapacious empires that have trampled the continents in previous centuries. Within the universities, intellectuals speak of American policies as "neo-imperialist," because they promote the goals of empire while eschewing the term.

America talks about lofty ideals, the critics say, but in reality it pursues its naked self-interest. In the Gulf War, for example, America's leaders asserted they were fighting for human rights, but in truth they were fighting to protect US access to oil. The critics point to past US support for dictators like Anastasio Somoza in Nicaragua, Augusto Pinochet in Chile, Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, and the Shah of Iran as evidence that Americans don't really care about democratic ideals.

Even now the US supports unelected regimes in Pakistan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. No wonder, the critics say, so many people around the world are anti-American and some even resort to terrorism to lash out.

Are the critics right? They are correct to note the extent of American influence, but wrong to suggest that the US is no different from such colonial powers as the British, French, and Spanish that once dominated the world. Those empires – like the Islamic, Mongol, and Chinese empires – were sustained primarily by force. The British ruled my native country of India with some 100,000 troops.

US domination is not sustained primarily by force. True, America has bases in the Middle East and Far East, and it can intervene militarily just about anywhere in the world.

But the real power of America extends far beyond its military capabilities. Walk into a hotel in Barbados or Bombay and the bellhop is whistling the theme from "Titanic." African boys in remote villages wear baseball caps. Millions of people around the globe want to move to America. Countless people are drawn to America's technology, freedom, and way of life.

Some critics sneer that these aspirations are short-sighted. Perhaps they are right. People may be wrong to want the American lifestyle, and may not foresee its disadvantages, but at least they are seeking it voluntarily.

What about the occasions, though, when America does exercise military power? Here we can hardly deny the critics' allegation that the US acts to promote its self-interest. Even so, Americans can feel immensely proud of how often their country has served their interests while simultaneously promoting noble ideals and the welfare of others. Yes, America fought the Gulf War in part to protect its oil interests, but it also fought to liberate the Kuwaitis from Iraqi invasion.

But what about long-lasting US backing for dictators, like Somoza, Pinochet, Marcos, and the shah? It should be noted that, in each case, the US eventually turned against their regimes and aided in their ouster.

In Chile and the Philippines, the outcome was favorable: The Pinochet and Marcos regimes were replaced by democratic governments that endure. In Nicaragua and Iran, however, one form of tyranny gave way to another.

These outcomes highlight a foreign- policy staple, the principle of the lesser evil. This means that one should not pursue a thing that seems good if it is likely to result in something worse. A second implication is that one is usually justified in allying with a bad guy to oppose a regime that is worse. A classic example was the American alliance with Stalin to defeat Hitler.

Thus, many US actions that support tin-pot dictators become defensible. Remember, America was fighting a cold war. If one accepts that the Soviet Union was indeed an "evil empire," then the US was right to attach more importance to Marcos and Pinochet's anti-Soviet position than to their autocratic thuggery.

Now the cold war is over, so why does America support despotic regimes like those of Pervez Musharraf in Pakistan, Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, and the royal family in Saudi Arabia? Again, examine the practical alternative to those regimes.

Unfortunately there do not seem to be viable liberal, democratic parties in the Middle East. The alternative to Mr. Mubarak and the Saudi royal family appears to be Islamic fundamentalists of the bin Laden stripe. Faced with the choice between "uncompromising medievals" and "corrupt moderns," America must side with the corrupt.

Remember, also, the larger context. America is the most magnanimous imperial power ever. After leveling Japan and Germany during World War II, the US rebuilt them. For the most part, America is an abstaining superpower. It shows no real interest in conquering the rest of the world, even though it can. On occasion, the US intervenes in Grenada or Haiti or Bosnia, but it never stays to rule them.

Moreover, when America does get into a war, it is supremely careful to avoid targeting civilians. Even as US bombs destroyed the infrastructure of the Taliban, American planes dropped rations of food to avert hardship and starvation of Afghan civilians. What other country does such things?

Jeane Kirkpatrick once said that "Americans need to face the truth about themselves, no matter how pleasant it is." The reason many Americans don't feel this way is that they judge themselves by a higher standard. Thus if the Chinese, the Arabs, or the sub-Saharan Africans slaughter 10,000 of their own people, the world utters a collective sigh and resumes normal business.

By contrast, if America, in the middle of a war, accidentally bombs a school and kills 200 civilians, there is an uproar and an investigation. All of this demonstrates America's evident moral superiority.

If this be the workings of empire, let us have more of it.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0426/p11s01-coop.html

I found this to be an interesting article.

Is America, or the West in general for that matter, morally or ethically superior?

Do you think that American hegemony is a stablizing force in the world, considering its philosophies on economic freedom and individual liberty?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Gah A long cut and paste. I hate those. ~D I cant wait to see how this will be attacked.

[AntiochusIII]

I found this to be an interesting article.It's more like a summary of the views of pro-Americans.


Is America, or the West in general for that matter, morally or ethically superior?I doubt such is the case if you're arguing about cultures, which, if you simply call all others as weaker, is, well, racism. But, if you're talking about how a country was run (especially the government), the West, as it is far more developed, is naturally superior in how it was run, and, therefore, expected to be superior.


Do you think that American hegemony is a stablizing force in the world, considering its philosophies on economic freedom and individual liberty?Yes. However, it's a fragile one. Especially if the country itself fails to maintain said philosophies...which leads to tyranny of some sort to some degree.

[AntiochusIII]

Gah A long cut and paste. I hate those. ~D I cant wait to see how this will be attacked.Come on, Gawain. The post is pro-American after all!

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Yes it is and oh so true ~D Who else sends aid to a country while their invading it?

[Divinus Arma]

Gah A long cut and paste. I hate those. ~D I cant wait to see how this will be attacked.

I know you are joking about the watchtower backroom, but what do you think of this topic?

Semper Fi

[AntiochusIII]

Yes it is and oh so true ~D Who else sends aid to a country while their invading it?Why, I didn't bash America here (yet ~;))after all!

In fact, I agree to some extend with the article. It's true from its perspective, but it quite fails to deliver others'.

Edit: Divinus, you give a valid question and the article is not bashing somebody else bloody. So, in my opinion, the thread's not killing anybody.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

but it quite fails to deliver others'.

The whole begging gave the other point of view. It had far more than just one side of the story This for instance.


Even now the US supports unelected regimes in Pakistan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. No wonder, the critics say, so many people around the world are anti-American and some even resort to terrorism to lash out.

That dosent sound very pro american to me and theres plenty more in the same vein. .

[AntiochusIII]

The whole begging gave the other point of view. It had far more than just one side of the story This for instance.



That dosent sound very pro american to me and theres plenty more in the same vein. .I see that (I read that article, if you fear i didn't ~:)), however, it is presented briefly and quite stereotypically. Well, but I can't deny it's a reasonable article. Though the reasons for maintaining some of the despotic regimes seems all too light to me. I mean...are you sure there're only two choices for valid governments of those country?

[Divinus Arma]

It's more like a summary of the views of pro-Americans.


Well it is from the CSMonitor. I thought it raised a few points for discussion.


I doubt such is the case if you're arguing about cultures, which, if you simply call all others as weaker, is, well, racism. But, if you're talking about how a country was run (especially the government), the West, as it is far more developed, is naturally superior in how it was run, and, therefore, expected to be superior.

Now wait just a moment. Consider what you are saying! Americans are a nation of immigrants, a melting pot of world cultures. The article said nothing of race superiority, and I certainly had no intent of communicating that. My question relates to moral and/or ethically superiority. This in itself is not inherent. Even I agree that America is not inherently good or evil.

The relative goodness of a nation, reflected in the liberties retained by its citizens and the intent of its use of force, is a thing to be sheparded by its citizens. America was a moral leader in promoting human rights throughout the world following WWII and during the cold war. Our national character as "good" and "just" is reflected in the world's expectations of our policy. The world expects the U.S. to avoid civilian casulaties. The world expects the U.S. to promote freedoms while restraining its application of force. And these things, for the most part, we pursue and accomplish.


Yes. However, it's a fragile one. Especially if the country itself fails to maintain said philosophies...which leads to tyranny of some sort to some degree.

I concur. But where is said tyranny?

[Divinus Arma]

The whole begging gave the other point of view. It had far more than just one side of the story This for instance.
That dosent sound very pro american to me and theres plenty more in the same vein. .

Gawain. 'Tis I who posted this. Consider my intent to be quite relevant in our arena of shared views.

The article addresses your concerns by placing them within this context:

These outcomes highlight a foreign- policy staple, the principle of the lesser evil. This means that one should not pursue a thing that seems good if it is likely to result in something worse. A second implication is that one is usually justified in allying with a bad guy to oppose a regime that is worse. A classic example was the American alliance with Stalin to defeat Hitler.

It recognizes that our choice of support is a necessary evil. Consider our support of the muhajiden in Afghanistan. The greater evil then was Soviet expansion. Now that the Cold War is over, we can concentrate on a new lesser evil. Once we begin to turn the tide of militant religious extremism, we can then support an even lesser evil then petty dictators like Musharraf of Pakistan and other 3rd world cronies.

It is a spiral towards the least of available evils, allowing defeat of each evil consecutively based on the current evil's relative potential for impact on peace and freedom.

Edit: Just to expound on this, what order would you place the following evils:

Muslim Militant Extremism, Nazi Expansionist Militarism, Stalinist Soviet Collectivism, Isolationist Militant Dictatorial Anti-Westerners

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Why are you explaning this to me. Your preaching to the choir ~D I have said the same myself here more times than I care to mention. Its simply a matter of expediancy and choosing the lesser of two evils.

[PanzerJaeger]

That was a very good article. Thanks for posting it. I really liked the part where he discussed "the greater good" in dealing with unsavory charactors.

People expect more from Americans than, say Africans. Thats a double edged sword, especially in times of national conflict.

Its just a good thing we have such an advanced military, because we so often have to fight with self-imposed hands tied behind our backs.

The difference between the "American Empire", and those of say the Nazis or Britain, is that America does whats good for America first and whats good for the rest of the world second, while those other empires didnt even consider the second option.

American influence over the world has been a net positive. However, when people expect more than they should, they are of course disappointed.

[bmolsson]

I expect more from Western Europeans than from Americans. Even though I expect more from Americans than from all other countries.
I don't think that US is an empire. I don't think that it's impact on the world is exceptional, comparing to it's size.
Neither do I think that US is a violent or imperialistic state.

There are two main things that irritate me in regards to US.

1. The religious foreign policy.
2. The knee jerking for China.

Otherwise I think that US is a good and interesting nation with a lot to be proud over......

[rasoforos]

Empire wise....


...I think u guys would like to know that Dubya has just threatened that he might use force in Iran.


And about American Infuence being positive:

Have you asked the 20 or so countries where the US has installed, promoted and supported dictatorships and kingdoms?

[Kagemusha]

I like US,but we dont need an Empire to to take care of us others.Its same to me what empire would it be.The reason why many people dont like US is its unilateralism.Hegemony is a cursing word to me.

[bmolsson]

The difference between the "American Empire", and those of say the Nazis or Britain, is that America does whats good for America first and whats good for the rest of the world second, while those other empires didnt even consider the second option.


Not really.

Britain did actually educate and built infrastructure in the colonies. US is a very good example of this.

The Nazis did believe they thought of the world first. It was just that they believed they where a better race and some other inferior races where to be exterminated.

US believes that countries with a political system different then their own should be "liberated". The cold war is a typical example of this. A country like Iran is another.

All "empires" have the same arrogance and ignorance towards everyone else since they believe they are lesser...... ~;)

[Papewaio]

The difference between the "American Empire", and those of say the Nazis or Britain, is that America does whats good for America first and whats good for the rest of the world second, while those other empires didnt even consider the second option.



One comparing the British Empire to the Nazis is incorrect on so many different levels.

Considering how well off the majority of the former British colonies are, Britain has had a far more positive impact then America and is a totally different society to that of the Nazis.

Check out the Commonwealth Nations sometime. Also look at how many of the countries that is helping out the USA are former British colonies (as is USA).

Pakistan, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India, Malaysia, Singapore etc.

Add to that the scholarship programs that helped educate the colonialists. The likes of Ernest Rutherford was an Imperial scholar. And the on the whole peaceful transition of power to independance.

While the Nazis where killing off as many as possible that did not follow their creed and racial sterotypes, the British Empire was fighting them off with English, Welsh, Scots, Irish, Maori, Fuzzy Wuzzies, Indians, Nepalese etc

[Shambles]

I dont like america And refuse to read There Propiganda.

Hoppefully a nuke will go off and Wpe out america and The rest of the World
then the rest of the planet can live in peace.


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Maby its Finished by then.

[KingOfTheIsles]

They certainly have PR stunts nailed down. Presumably, no other country in the world gives foreign aid, therefore the moral superiority is evident?

[Strike For The South]

I dont like america And refuse to read There Propiganda.

Hoppefully a nuke will go off and Wpe out america and The rest of the trouble makers "that would be terrorist States"
then the rest of us can live in peace.

Wow you seem bitter did somebody leave you at disney land

[Proletariat]

I expect more from Western Europeans than from Americans. Even though I expect more from Americans than from all other countries.


I guess those folks in the Sudan shouldn't hold their breath, eh?



Hoppefully a nuke will go off and Wpe out america and The rest of the trouble makers "that would be terrorist States"
then the rest of us can live in peace.

Retard.

[KingOfTheIsles]

Retard.

An example of that fabled "moral superiority"? ~:)

[Shambles]

Wow you seem bitter did somebody leave you at disney land


americans are asses, they keep starting wars.
they agrivate me,
so do terrorists,
usa funded terrorists like the ira,
and provoke civilwars.
they polute more than any 1 and refuze to cut emissions.
they want to rule the world yet cant eveen controll there own civilians.

i stand by my 1st statement

wed be better off with no yanks
would probaby eliminate 98% terrorism by removing them,

and to go even futher,
The planet would be better off with no humans at all,

Roll on a nother cold war i say,
Just hope this time they hit the button and this planet can get back to trying to repair its self.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Just hope this time they hit the button and this planet can get back to trying to repair its self.

If its so bad wny dont you just commmit suicide and end you misery. Or do you plan on being one of the few left alive. Im sure a planet hit by a nuclear holocaust would be more to your liking. You are a sick individulal to want to wipe out most of the human race because most people are evil evil evil.

[Strike For The South]

America is no better or worse than any other powerful contry so get off your high horse alright you may not like america and thats fine you have your opinon but saying nuke the country thats just assinine its like saying nuke the entire middle east wake up and stop spewing so much blind hate

[Shambles]

You are a sick individulal to want to wipe out most of the human race because most people are evil evil evil.

Prehaps I am.

But Im just tired of this on going Cr*P Thats Always Ceneterd around America.
From the moment they set foot off the boat Its been nothing but bad news,

And I Would not want 1 Survivour,
about 2 thousand Humans survived a volcanic eruption Thousands of years ago,
And now There EVERYWHERE.


America is no better or worse than any other powerful contry so get off your high horse alright you may not like america and thats fine you have your opinon but saying nuke the country thats just assinine its like saying nuke the entire middle east wake up and stop spewing so much blind hate

Hell I said Nuke the whole world 2.

Humans Are the real problem on this planet,`
and americans seem to provoke humans In to Being even worse than they naturally are,
(they have managed to make me say all this for instance)

EVERYTHING ELS gets allong.
Everything works in harmony, And then You throw Humans in the middle of it,

and you prety much Kill the planet.

Sux.

One day youl Relize that.


ShambleS

[Strike For The South]

Wow ive never seen some one approach there life like that before

[Gawain of Orkeny]

EVERYTHING ELS gets allong.

Now I know your daft. Yeah wolves and deer get along. If a beaver builds a dam its working in harmony with nature but if man builds a dam hes messing with nature. I never understood this kind of thinking. We are also a natural part of this planet. That is unless you believe were all aliens.

[Shambles]

No I beleve were all A disease,
That sucks the life out of Everything they see.
and will leave behind an empty shell of a once magnificent planet.

[Templar Knight]

Nuke the whole of America? How mature. You may dislike the US Government but hating an entire nation is not healthy. Without the US the planet would more or less be buggered :bow:

[Shambles]

Nuke the whole of America? How mature. You may dislike the US Government but hating an entire nation is not healthy. Without the US the planet would more or less be buggered :bow:


Yep.

Hence the rest of my statements,

I recon Every 1 can read what i said and understand where im coming from now,

Wether or not any 1 agrees I dont really mind.
Im happy that ive voiced my oppinion.
(although it is very vulgar and callas)

Prehaps some 1 will comprehend it,

ShambleS
:bow:

[scooter_the_shooter]

America is nothing but bad news? Wow this is news to me I guess we should have let you speak german or russian after ww2.


You are worthless with out ever meeting an american you would condem us all to death because of the actions of our leaders....should we kill all muslims because of osama....should we kill all germans because of hitler.....should we kill all russians because of stalin; of course not and you should not want all yanks dead because you don't like our leaders.


But I would have no problem if people killed people who want a mass genocide....like you for example...you are no better then nazis, the black panthers, or the klu klux klan.

[Shambles]

America is nothing but bad news? Wow this is news to me I guess we should have let you speak german or russian after ww2.


You are worthless with out ever meeting an american you would condem us all to death because of the actions of our leaders....should we kill all muslims because of osama....should we kill all germans because of hitler.....should we kill all russians because of stalin; of course not and you should not want all yanks dead because you don't like our leaders.


But I would have no problem if people killed people who want a mass genocide....like you for example...you are no better then nazis, the black panthers, or the klu klux klan.


I Marriesd an american.
I dont disslike race's I disslike humans,
(but america as a whole seems to agrivate me the most i must admit)

And whats the difrence english german or russian.
You always end up with some Power mad freak trying to take over the world any way,

If there were no humans The planet would be better off i say,
Simple as that.

And theres no denying it.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Wow we are to take the advice of some one who wants to kill all of us and they can't even spell.


If you want all humans dead why are you here?

[R'as al Ghul]

I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

Agent Smith about the species of human beings, in the movie Matrix.
Sounds familiar? ~;)
Some of the above comments made me think where I had heard this before..

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I Marriesd an american.
I dont disslike race's I disslike humans,.

Then why did you marry one? I hope your not planning on having any children and adding to this planets miserable human population.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Sense when has bush claimed he is taking over the world :dizzy2: : And he will be out of office in a few years so no need to go try and kill us :help:

[Shambles]

Wow we are to take the advice of some one who wants to kill all of us and they can't even spell.


If you want all humans dead why are you here?


Your petty insults just go to prove how worthless some People really are.
Now if you have the Abilaty to Discuss something By all means do,

But if all you have is petty insults Id advise you to go do something els,

[Shambles]

Then why did you marry one? I hope your not planning on having any children and adding to this planets miserable human population.



Yes i know.

I married an american becous I loved her,

I have a duaghter, And that makes me a hypocryt.

I still have my views,
And although IL never kill any 1,
I still Say humans suck.

[Proletariat]

Now if you have the Abilaty to Discuss something By all means do,

But if all you have is petty insults Id advise you to go do something els,

You said we all should be nuked and you're telling other posters to elevate the debate? At least use the spellcheck button that is one and a half inches to the left of the Submit Reply option next time you feel the need to derail a thread.

[scooter_the_shooter]

you ARE a human...If humans are so evil why are you here? What about all the good humans have done.

[Templar Knight]

yea, what about me? I'm not power mad and I love everyone ~:grouphug:

[Shambles]

The post is Praise american empire,

I am doing the opposit,
This is not deraling the thread.
this is voicing my oppinion on the post,

Petty insults directly aimed at 1 person becous of there views is deraling the tread,

and if you wish to continue this do it by pm.

[Shambles]

yea, what about me? I'm not power mad and I love everyone ~:grouphug:


:( Stop that.

Humans arent nice :(

Dont make me think of individuals :P

------------------------------------------------------

Humans Dont do good, well unelss its for there own benafit,
And even then They dont do good.

The world is a mess,
And humans did it.

If you make a list of good and bad things.
The list will be VEry 1 sided.

And if you made a list of good things that wernt to help humans, Then u would not need much writing paper,

[scooter_the_shooter]

I am going to stop here but you seriously should go seek a phycologist. I am not making fun of you...you sound like you really need help though.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Petty insults directly aimed at 1 person becous of there views is deraling the tread,

But major insults directed at all of mankind are not? If you believe what you say youhad no bussiness getting married as your wife is human is she not. How can you love such a terrible being as a human. Then on top of that you add to the planets misery by spawning another demon seed in the form of another human, your child. You are conflicted or is your family the only good one on the planet? Will yours please volunteer to make this world a better place and commit mass suicide?

[Shambles]

Yeah that would work Mass suicide,

But Never gonna happen,
AND although im not religious,

Some religions see suicide as a sinn, so i guess that 1s out of the question,

But christians seem to have found a loop hole in the Thou shal not KILL Law,
By calling it a war. (i had said thou shalnot murder But its actualy thou shalt not kill )
So i guess that's the one,

And i did say i was a hypocryt,
but I do beleve these things,

Id be happyer if hunams just stoped Being asses, and Started taking care of the planet and forgeting that This guy here Is Muslim,
and this guy here is a christian,
And this guy lives in Iran

But it aint ever gonna happen.

So NUKE EM ALL!
and Give something els a Turn.

Humans suck .

Bring back the dinosaurs Or sumthing

But this is way Off topic,

So im outa here befoe i make it worse,

[scooter_the_shooter]

Quit talking like you are not a human because you ARE. And if you want us all to do suicide why dont you lead by example first :furious3:

[Shambles]

HERE Cos I seem to have side tracked the topic. SORRY



http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0426/p11s01-coop.html

I found this to be an interesting article.

Is America, or the West in general for that matter, morally or ethically superior?

Do you think that American hegemony is a stablizing force in the world, considering its philosophies on economic freedom and individual liberty?




One comparing the British Empire to the Nazis is incorrect on so many different levels.

Considering how well off the majority of the former British colonies are, Britain has had a far more positive impact then America and is a totally different society to that of the Nazis.

Check out the Commonwealth Nations sometime. Also look at how many of the countries that is helping out the USA are former British colonies (as is USA).

Pakistan, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India, Malaysia, Singapore etc.

Add to that the scholarship programs that helped educate the colonialists. The likes of Ernest Rutherford was an Imperial scholar. And the on the whole peaceful transition of power to independance.

While the Nazis where killing off as many as possible that did not follow their creed and racial sterotypes, the British Empire was fighting them off with English, Welsh, Scots, Irish, Maori, Fuzzy Wuzzies, Indians, Nepalese etc

[Gawain of Orkeny]

But christians seem to have found a loop hole in the Thou shal not murder Law,
By calling it a war. ,

Ah so now were targeting christains as well as americans. Like Christains and americans are worse than other people in general. PS killing somone in self defense is not murder in any way.


Yeah that would work Mass suicide,

But Never gonna happen,
AND although im not religious,

So whats holding you back and how in hell with your views again can you justify getting married and having a child.

[scooter_the_shooter]

He is probably not even married. By his spelling and his views.....I would guess he is a 9 year old who watches the sci-fi channel to much.

[Shambles]

He is probably not even married. By his spelling and his views.....I would guess he is a 9 year old who watches the sci-fi channel to much.


again your petty insults illuminate your intelligence,
and maturaty.
Or atleastyour lack of either.

[scooter_the_shooter]

And some one who wants to blow up the whole world and can't even spell is supposed to be my intellectual superior :help:


At least use spell check its there for a reason.

[Shambles]

Silly child, I will no longer Be amuzing my self with your witless and, Meaning less sentances.

[scooter_the_shooter]

You are one strange fella.


Here is a summary of your views.

You want me and every one else here dead because we are ...humans.


And even though you hate humans you bring another hell spawn into earth ~D And you marry the evilest type of human *gasp* an American.


You have got to have the most hypocritical(and creepy) views of any one I have seen on this site.


PS At least I know how to make a sentence.

[lancelot]

One comparing the British Empire to the Nazis is incorrect on so many different levels.

Considering how well off the majority of the former British colonies are, Britain has had a far more positive impact then America and is a totally different society to that of the Nazis.

Check out the Commonwealth Nations sometime. Also look at how many of the countries that is helping out the USA are former British colonies (as is USA).

Pakistan, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India, Malaysia, Singapore etc.

Add to that the scholarship programs that helped educate the colonialists. The likes of Ernest Rutherford was an Imperial scholar. And the on the whole peaceful transition of power to independance.

While the Nazis where killing off as many as possible that did not follow their creed and racial sterotypes, the British Empire was fighting them off with English, Welsh, Scots, Irish, Maori, Fuzzy Wuzzies, Indians, Nepalese etc

:thumbsup: Well said.

[KukriKhan]

:sigh:

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