Lets try this again.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

it's unbeleivable that the city of San Fransico can have the heart to reject such an honored military vessel as the Iowa.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...unned_warship_1
Now, lets see if we can discuss this without the thread being closed, ok guys?
~:cheers:

[Strike For The South]

Its a free country and they voted they didnt want it there. I dont agree but they have that right Im not gonna bitch just to bitch

[Crazed Rabbit]

They're a bunch of idiots who, because of their opposition to the Iraq war, seek to dishonor the men who fought in WWII. But hey, at least they won't get tourist dollars.

Crazed Rabbit

[Ronin]

the city as voted democractly on the subject and they don´t want the ship there.

right or wrong and despite what anyone else thinks the population of this city believes that the organization that the ship represents has taken some stances concerning a part of the city´s population and concerning certain recent "political and military steps" that were taken.

the city also allreay has an US navy ship stacioned there and they might thing 2 are too much.

to cap it all of there is another city that is ready to receive the ship with open arms and provide facilities for it to be visited and seen by anyone that wishes to do so.

this is really a non-issue, and i don´t see what the problem is.

[Red Harvest]

Feinstein was pretty upset that the supervisors rejected the Iowa. She's not exactly my hero...so I was surprised by her reaction.

The link above didn't work so you might want to try this one San Francisco Supervisor's Rejection of the Iowa (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/07/14/BAGLJDNMCA1.DTL)

It seems awfully petty to reject such an incredible piece of history.

[Proletariat]

Just because it's their right doesn't mean they're not being jackasses.

No one said it was illegal, GC. Who are you pointing this out to?

[Proletariat]

I think Dave was just insulting them, but fair enough. After sometime you'll take Kaiser's post less seriously. He might be a good guy and all, but he has that certain way of posting that comes across as a little aziNay-ikelay.

[Proletariat]

What did Dave say that was so bad? 'Godless sodomites?' Jeez. I'm sorry, but BFD.

Maybe you're just too proximal to the Rainbow Metrop, but that is one of the tamest jokes I've heard about San Fran.

[Samurai Waki]

meh. your probably right about Kaiser, but thats why we love him. This place would be lame if someone didn't have a suggestion to impose martial law on gay guys every now and then.

I personally don't care. I think they should move it to Seattle.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I think Dave was just insulting them, but fair enough. After sometime you'll take Kaiser's post less seriously. He might be a good guy and all, but he has that certain way of posting that comes across as a little aziNay-ikelay.
Thank you proletariat.
As stated, you gotta take some of my posts with a pinch of salt. I'm the so-extreme-it's-humorous guy around here, much like DA was (though DA did get offensive alot more than I do, lol). Basically, if you see somthing relating to bombing, genocide, mass murder, mass raping and pillaging, just interperate it as "I am highly disgusted by this and I think it is time the American public correct this problem in a sensible fasion that I am too lazy to think of."
Ok? ~:cheers:

[Devastatin Dave]

I bet if they could prove that the first Navy gay couple was married by the ships captain it would be docked in the harbor quicker than Richard Simmons could hug a fat chick. Then it would be historic in the eyes of the San Fran Nans out there. But alas, it is a symbol of our nations greatness and pursuit of liberty, something that no honest lefty in the US could celebrate.

[Phatose]

Well, I couln't get the article to load.

One thing though. Isn't there some kind of rule against naming a battleship after a landlocked state?

[ichi]

I think Dave was just insulting them, but fair enough. After sometime you'll take Kaiser's post less seriously. He might be a good guy and all, but he has that certain way of posting that comes across as a little aziNay-ikelay.

aziNay-ikelay

Damn thats funny

Good one Prol

ichi :bow:

[Red Harvest]

One thing though. Isn't there some kind of rule against naming a battleship after a landlocked state?

Nope. Other than BB4 The Kearsage, all U.S. battleships were named after States IIRC. And Iowa isn't truly land locked when you consider it has a navigable river (the Mississippi). There are many ports on navigable US Rivers. Naval frigates participated in naval bombardment up and down the Mississippi during the Civil War (in addition to iron clads, tin clads, timberclads, gunboats, etc. And the Iowa is the first of the Iowa Class (Missouri, New Jersey, Minnesota.)

[Grey_Fox]

As I said in the other thread, it is just a lump of iron, and it's not going to feel rejected about not being in San Francisco, so what does it really matter? The town that it;s going to is going to have a tourist boom that San Francisco doesn't need, so it's all good.

[Goofball]

Not that. Everyone's entitled to make a gay joke when San Fransisco is brought into discussion.

[SARCASM ON]Just curious: does that mean that everybody is also entitled to make a gay joke every time the Catholic Church is brought into discussion?

Or how about a n***** joke every time fried chicken or watermelon is brought into the conversation?

And maybe we should give free reign to "retard" jokes every time the Special Olympics are brought up?[/SARCASM OFF]

You know what, I have an alternative proposal: How about we say that making jokes about any group based on race, sexual orientation, religion or physical disability is hurtful and only promotes divisive, degrading stereotypes, so those types of jokes should probably be avoided.

Just a thought.

~:handball:

[Proletariat]

You know what, I have an alternative proposal: How about we say that making jokes about any group based on race, sexual orientation, religion or physical disability is hurtful and only promotes divisive, degrading stereotypes, so those types of jokes should probably be avoided.


Jeez. Lighten up. I have lots of gay friends from San Fran and they make even harsher jokes about the city than we do.

[Goofball]

Jeez. Lighten up. I have lots of gay friends from San Fran and they make even harsher jokes about the city than we do.

And I know black folks who make n***** jokes, but that doesn't make those jokes any less despicable.

[Proletariat]

Sometimes it makes them funnier.

~:handball:

[Goofball]

Sometimes it makes them funnier.

~:handball:

Impossible. Racist jokes are never funny. They're just mean.

[Proletariat]

Eh, whatever floats your boat, Goof. From Don Rickles to Dave Chappelle, I think there's alot of funny comedians who sometimes use racial issues as material.

But, if it bothers you, who am I to say anything?

:shrug:

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

so are people only allowed to be mean in unfunny ways?

[Steppe Merc]

I don't see the problem at all. They didn't want a ship there. Big deal...

[Proletariat]

I think life would be a little more boring without good jokes about how the French are weenies, Irish are alcoholics, Americans are arrogant buffoons, British men are awful in bed, etc.

In America there's obvious things that are too sensitive to joke about, but sometimes people go overboard with trying not to offend groups. I figured the reaction to jokes about San Fran fit in that category, whereas a joke about slavery would just be obtuse.

[A.Saturnus]

I think life would be a little more boring without good jokes about how the French are weenies, Irish are alcoholics, Americans are arrogant buffoons, British men are awful in bed, etc.

And that Germans have no sense of humor. Because... that´s a joke right? Or did I misunderstand something? ~:confused:

[Husar]

And that Germans have no sense of humor. Because... that´s a joke right? Or did I misunderstand something? ~:confused:
Huh??? ~;)

[Steppe Merc]

About San Fransico, I don't think it's particullary wrong to joke about it. But there are certaintly many non gays there. It's just that the people there tend to be a bit more... open... than other places. Just as long as all other cities are open for jokes...
My Mom and Dad certaintly liked it when they went there, though they did steer clear of certaint bars and the like.

[Devastatin Dave]

And maybe we should give free reign to "retard" jokes every time the Special Olympics are brought up? ~:handball:

What's better than winning the gold medal in the Special Olympics?

**punchline will be posted in 1 hour**

[Proletariat]

DD, with the old classic.

[Goofball]

What's better than winning the gold medal in the Special Olympics?

**punchline will be posted in 1 hour**

Having more mental capacity than DevDave?

~:smoking:

[Devastatin Dave]

Having more mental capacity than DevDave?

~:smoking:

Dammit, beaten to the punchline, sort of... ~:cheers:

[Goofball]

Dammit, beaten to the punchline, sort of... ~:cheers:

I'm glad I headed you off at the pass Dave, because I wanted to make sure that you didn't post the punchline to that joke, which I have heard before and find extremely insensitive and heartless. I have a family member with a severe mental disability, so I really don't see any humor in "retard" jokes. They are not, as Proletariat described yours, "classic." They are just good old-fashioned mean.

Thanks for not following through with it.

:bow:

[Devastatin Dave]

I'm glad I headed you off at the pass Dave, because I wanted to make sure that you didn't post the punchline to that joke, which I have heard before and find extremely insensitive and heartless. I have a family member with a severe mental disability, so I really don't see any humor in "retard" jokes. They are not, as Proletariat described yours, "classic." They are just good old-fashioned mean.

Thanks for not following through with it.

:bow:

Don't you think you are being a bit overly sensitive? Afterall, you continuosly berate the mental capacity of the President of the United States and many members of this forum. Kind of hypocritical don't you think? Of course you don't, since its only offensive if YOU don't agree with it, very typical. :bow:

[Xiahou]

They're a bunch of idiots who, because of their opposition to the Iraq war, seek to dishonor the men who fought in WWII. But hey, at least they won't get tourist dollars.

Crazed Rabbit
That about sums up my opinion. They're free to behave stupidly if they choose to- that doesn't mean we can't call it what it is.

[Proletariat]

Having more mental capacity than DevDave?


What if Dave had a family member with a poor mental capacity?

[Goofball]

Don't you think you are being a bit overly sensitive? Afterall, you continuosly berate the mental capacity of the President of the United States and many members of this forum. Kind of hypocritical don't you think? Of course you don't, since its only offensive if YOU don't agree with it, very typical. :bow:

Wow.

Apparently you took my last post as a form of scolding aimed at you. It honestly wasn't. It was meant as a sincere thank-you for not posting a joke that I personally find to be mean and hurtful.

At any rate Dave, I challenge you to find anywhere in any post ever, where I referred to GWB or anybody else as a "retard." There is a very big difference between saying something like "Bush is an idiot," and telling a joke that goes "What's better than winning the gold medal in the Special Olympics?.... Not being a retard." And for the record, I do not "continuosly berate the mental capacity of the President of the United States and many members of this forum." Yes, I have lost my temper a few times and let sarcasm get away with me, but for the most part it has been limited to implications about a person's lack of understanding of what is being said. If you're going to make a statement like that, back it up.

Honestly Dave, is this the fight you want to pick? That telling jokes about the mentally handicapped is a good and acceptable practice, and that people who don't like them are being overly sensitive? You really want to hitch your wagon to this one?

Think it over.

[Goofball]

What if Dave had a family member with a poor mental capacity?

Then he would already know that telling jokes about the mentally handicapped is mean, and I wouldn't be having this conversation with him.

[Proletariat]

Every single person here who cracked a San Fran joke has at least one gay relative, including me.

I'll never understand how anyone can fly off the handle simply because someone else said a few words. If I was that sensitive about anything I thought I might have an apopleptic emotional response over, I'd at least try to hide it by under reacting and not dole out the satisfiction to the person. But, that's me.

Although I won't understand, hope you're not too mad, Goof.

[Devastatin Dave]

Goof, I PM'd you...

I apologize to all in this thread for making light of something that should not be made light of. I especially apologize to you Goof...

So, lets get back on topic so that this thread can continue to be debated...

[Papewaio]

Every single person here who cracked a San Fran joke has at least one gay relative, including me.

I'll never understand how anyone can fly off the handle simply because someone else said a few words.


I think the difference is in the ability to defend oneself.

Someone who is mentally retarded is going to have a hard time in a verbal match up.

On the other hand a gay person can defend themselves in a verbal dustup.

[Proletariat]

Fair enough.

[PanzerJaeger]

"What's better than winning the gold medal in the Special Olympics?.... Not being a retard."

Ohh so thats the punchline? Lol thats a good one.. :laugh4:

Take jokes for what they are... jokes. Oversensitivity, especially when the joke doesnt affect you, is.. well.. gay. ~D


Oh and Im glad San Fran didnt accept the Iowa, they'd probably paint it pink.. Id prefer a piece of history as important as that be kept out of the land of bundled sticks. ~;)

[Goofball]

Goof, I PM'd you...

I apologize to all in this thread for making light of something that should not be made light of. I especially apologize to you Goof...

So, lets get back on topic so that this thread can continue to be debated...

Thanks for the PM Dave, and apology most definitely accepted. For my part, I know I come off as kind of a fussy, prude old lady sometimes, and self-righteous indignation (a pose that doesn't really look good on anybody) gets the better of me.

~:cheers:

Back OT:

This decision with respect to the Iowa, as has been said, was made democratically. And since it's not in violation of either the California or the United States' Constitution, people can bitch about it all they want, but they still have to respect it.

I personally think San Fran picked the wrong way to protest the Iraq war, but what the hell do I know...

[Devastatin Dave]

Oh and Im glad San Fran didnt accept the Iowa, they'd probably paint it pink.. Id prefer a piece of history as important as that be kept out of the land of bundled sticks. ~;)

Good point...
They's probably have the Village People performing "In the Navy" on the deck for the grand opening of the museum/ship. ~D

[scooter_the_shooter]

They don't deserve the boat any way. I say they put it where there are patriotic people who deserve to have a great piece of history ~:cheers:

[RabidGibbon]

Originally posted by PanzerJager

Im glad San Fran didnt accept the Iowa, they'd probably paint it pink


Originally posted by Devastatin Dave

They's probably have the Village People performing "In the Navy" on the deck for the grand opening of the museum/ship.

Sigh, what an opportunity missed, Even now I can see the village people standing on one of the turrets of the newly pink Iowa, getting down to the beat, whilst beneath them on deck a "Gay pride" rally took place.

It would have been one of the defining images of the new century.