Greatest historical moment

[edyzmedieval]

Which is the greatest historical moment and why?!

I have 2: Manzikert and Fall of Constantinople

The first marked the start of the end of the Byzantines and the second the end of the Byzantines.

[Azi Tohak]

Manizkert itself did not lose Anatolia. That took a couple of years. What Manizkert did was start a series of civil wars, which lead to the downfall. Actually, I think the inhertiance by Basil II's indolent brother started the decline.

But which fall of Constantinople? 1204 or 1453? I'm assuming you mean 1453, but I think 1204 was the most important single moment of the Byzantines decline. Turned the Empire into just another feudal state.

Azi

[edyzmedieval]

I referred to 1453.

Now, back to topic.

Your preferences?!

[Mount Suribachi]

Y'know, there is a historical world outside of Byzantium ~;)



having said that, I would have to say Constantine the Great making Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. Something that had global consequences, and whose effects we are still seeing today.

And may I also add, that in this Christians opinion, it was one of the worst things to ever happen to the Christian Church :bow:

[caesar44]

When Shim'on-Simon-Patrus and Saul-Paulus decided to invent a new religion based on the words of their fellow , Yeshua , 3 young Jews who changed history for ever

[King Henry V]

Who the hell were they? ~;)

[yesdachi]

Birth of Christ?
Although this could be viewed by some as fiction ~;) .

[Petrus]

The 29 of august 1789, the declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen, humanism taking a legal and absolute form at last.

[Sjakihata]

My birth

[yesdachi]

My birth
Aahhhh the birth of modesty. ~D

[VAE VICTUS]

When Shim'on-Simon-Patrus and Saul-Paulus decided to invent a new religion based on the words of their fellow , Yeshua , 3 young Jews who changed history for ever~;)



Who the hell were they? ~;)


peter, paul, and jesus,or iesus

[cutepuppy]

Birth of monotheism?

[Louis VI the Fat]

I would love to post a reply here about a certain revolution, but I think my answering every 'greatest whatever' - thread with an essay about 1789 will get tedious. ~;)

[edyzmedieval]

The French Revolution - Fall of Bastille.

We know it ~;)

[pezhetairoi]

when a certain something or someone who may or may not exist depending on the values of the one who makes a statement on it said 'Let there be light'.

Seriously? There's no one in particular since you had so many unconnected civs who would have experienced different things. There was no major event that occurred worldwide, unless you count the shifting of the rain belt northwards dessicating the present-day Sahara. But that was more of a historical non-event unless you count it in geologic time. So.

[LeftEyeNine]

Well my preferences are about the defeat of Andalucians that were only a step back from conquering whole Europe and spreading Islam..

But I prefer the death of Genghis Khan which led Ogedei Khan to turn back from Europe - an open playground for Mongols at the time - back to his homelands to select the new Emperor. And he never came back. That was really the turn of history..

[Meneldil]

Actually, the Mongol left Europe when Ogodai died ~;)

[LeftEyeNine]

Hmm, well I read about this in an article about "What if ?..".. It said that Ogodai Khan turned back to his homelands for the selection of the new leader. May I be confusing the names although I do not think so ?

[Meneldil]

Mongols never reached Europe under Genghis' rule (except maybe during the Kalka River battle) and maybe in the Caucasia. It was his son Ogodai who raided Hungary and Poland, and who died from falling of his horse

[LeftEyeNine]

I did not say that Genghis reached Europe. I said that Ogodai could easily devastate whole Europe- no power standing against him. But he had to go back to his homelands because it was a Mongol tradition which dictated the comrades of an emperor should gather in homelands to select the new one..

Any Genghis-Geek friend can inform us maybe ?

[Steppe Merc]

Mendil is the Khan of Ghengis fans. :bow:

[LeftEyeNine]

Hmm, so a whole book and the article in the paper was totally wrong ?

Whatever, I bow before the Khan of Genghis fans ;)

[AntiochusIII]

I did not say that Genghis reached Europe. I said that Ogodai could easily devastate whole Europe- no power standing against him. But he had to go back to his homelands because it was a Mongol tradition which dictated the comrades of an emperor should gather in homelands to select the new one..

Any Genghis-Geek friend can inform us maybe ?Erm, he was the Khan, Ogadai, that is, after Genghis. And he died. So the Mongols returned en masse back to their homeland to choose a new Khan, as their tradition dictates. Besides, their generals (the ones that followed Ogadai to Europe) wants to have a vote over the issue too.

Edit: he died from some unheroic/unwarrior way in Hungary, I think. Europe was saved by a single breath of luck; just like Attila's before him.

Edit 2: The most important thing ever happened in history is when I transcend into Godliness. Yes, that will happen soon. I see the future! ~D

[Meneldil]

I did not say that Genghis reached Europe. I said that Ogodai could easily devastate whole Europe- no power standing against him. But he had to go back to his homelands because it was a Mongol tradition which dictated the comrades of an emperor should gather in homelands to select the new one..



I did not say that Genghis reached Europe (or well, I did, but I edited my post before you answered ~;) ), I said that Mongols did not reach Europe (eastern Europe and Russia) under Genghis's rule, apart from the Kalka river battle.

As Antiochus explained (a bit better than me ~D ) the Mongols left Europe when Ogadai died, not when Genghis died.

See this wikipedia link (yeah, it's wiki, but it's not total crap) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogodei


Ögedei's death in 1241, brought the Mongol invasion of Europe to a premature end. The commanders heard the news as they were advancing on Vienna, and withdrew for the kuriltai in Mongolia, never again to return so far west.


Mongols invaded Russia in 1237, Genghis died 10 years earlier and Ogedei died in 1241 (the news of his death reached Europe in early 1242). His successor was - I think - Guyuk, elected around 1245