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Gawain of Orkeny
08-26-2005, 02:08
I saw the story of this battle on the history channel last night. I coudnt belive how it ended . I actually started crying. Yeah Im really just a big softy. All I can say is what a man.

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Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET April 4, 2005

WASHINGTON - Outnumbered and exposed, Army Sgt. 1st Class Paul Ray Smith stayed at his gun, beating back an advancing Iraqi force until a bullet took his life.

Smith is credited with protecting the lives of scores of lightly armed American soldiers who were beyond his position in the battle, on April 4, 2003, near the gates of Baghdad International Airport.

On Monday, exactly two years after Smith’s death, President Bush awarded him the Medal of Honor, the nation’s highest honor for valor.
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“We are here to pay tribute to a soldier whose service illustrates the highest ideals of leadership and love of our country,” Bush said in a ceremony in the East Room of the White House. Bush said Smith “gave his life for these ideals in a deadly battle outside Baghdad. It is my great privilege to recognize his great sacrifice by awarding Sgt. Smith the Medal of Honor.”

Smith’s widow, Birgit, decided that the couple’s 11-year-old son, David, would accept the medal on his father’s behalf.

“It was a very easy decision for me because, after all, he’s the man of the house now,” she said Monday. She said she often hears from the men her husband saved, as well as their families. “They’re so grateful for what Paul did that day,” she said on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

Third Medal of Honor since Vietnam War
It is only the third Medal of Honor given for actions since the Vietnam War, and the first from the Iraq war.

Smith, 33, was the senior sergeant in a platoon of engineers during the 3rd Infantry Division’s northward sprint toward Baghdad.

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By the morning of April 4, elements of the division had reached Baghdad and captured Baghdad International Airport, a key objective. Encircled Iraqi militiamen and Special Republican Guard forces inside launched counterattacks.

Near the eastern edge of the airport, Smith, a veteran of the first Gulf War, had been put in charge of his unit — 2nd Platoon, Bravo Company, 11th Engineer Battalion — while his lieutenant went on a scouting mission.

Smith’s mission was mundane enough — turn a courtyard into a holding pen for Iraqi prisoners of war. The courtyard, just north of the main road between Baghdad and the airport, was near an Iraqi military compound.

Soon after Smith and some of his platoon began work, records show, one trooper spotted dozens of armed Iraqis approaching from beyond the gated walls of the courtyard. Another group of Iraqis occupied a nearby tower.

Smith summoned a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, and he and his troops gathered near the courtyard gate to fight the counterattack. An M113 armored personnel carrier joined the fray.

Fighting back with grenade, rocket, machine gun
The Iraqis, perhaps as many as 100, attacked with rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, or RPGs. Smith threw a grenade over a wall to drive back some of the Iraqis, then fired a rocket.

Incoming RPGs battered the Bradley, which retreated. Then a mortar struck the M113, wounding the three soldiers inside and leaving its heavy machine gun unmanned. After directing another soldier to pull the wounded M113 crewmen to safety, Smith climbed into the machine gun position and began firing at the tower and at the Iraqis trying to rush the compound.

His upper torso and head were exposed as he manned the gun.
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“This wasn’t a John Wayne move,” said Command Sgt. Maj. Gary J. Coker, the top enlisted man in the 11th Battalion, who was near the battle. “He was very methodical. He knew he had the gate and he wasn’t going to leave it and nobody was going to make him leave it.”

Still, Coker said, “it was absolutely amazing to stand up in that volume of fire.”

During a stretch of 15 minutes or longer, Smith fired more than 300 rounds as Pvt. Michael Seaman, protected inside the M113, passed him ammunition.

Then he was struck by enemy fire and mortally wounded. At almost the same time, 1st Sgt. Timothy Campbell ended the threat from the tower with a grenade, and the surviving Iraqis withdrew. Medics tried to save Smith, and he died about 30 minutes later.

He and his comrades are credited with killing between 20 and 50 Iraqi soldiers.

Protecting vulnerable forces
Beyond his position were American medics, scouts, a mortar unit and a command post — all lightly armed and vulnerable.

“Sgt. 1st Class Smith’s actions saved the lives of at least 100 soldiers,” according to an Army narrative.

Smith was born in El Paso, Texas, and moved to Tampa, Fla., when he was 9. He enlisted in the Army in 1989.

He was known for being tough on the men under his command, Coker, who has returned to Iraq with the 3rd Infantry Division, said in a weekend telephone interview.

But Smith held himself to the same standard, Coker said, and he took care of his young soldiers when they needed it. Back in the United States, when one private’s wife fell seriously ill, Smith drove four hours to bring toys to their children.

The other two post-Vietnam Medals of Honor went to Army Master Sgt. Gary I. Gordon and Army Sgt. 1st Class Randall D. Shughart, two Delta Force troopers who died defending the crew of a helicopter that was shot down in Mogadishu, Somalia, in events depicted in the book and movie “Black Hawk Down.”

More than 3,400 Medals of Honor have been awarded since the decoration was created in 1861, of which more than 600 have been given posthumously.

Army background on Sgt. Smith is online at www.army.mil/medalofhonor.

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It seems a bullet from the last bursts fired hit the APC and richoceted into his chin. He was only seconds away from the end of the battle.

Papewaio
08-26-2005, 02:28
He deserves the Medal for courage.

But surely 100 troops (even) lightly armed in buildings could hold off a 100 guys attacking... the gate and then the courtyard would have been a killing zone... or am I mixing up ancient tactics with modern ones or not getting a clear enough idea of the deployment...

If the 100 troops where stuck in the courtyard then it would have become shoot in the barrel... so if the Americans couldn't get into the buildings surrounding the courtyard it makes sense...

Strike For The South
08-26-2005, 02:57
He deserves the Medal for courage.

But surely 100 troops (even) lightly armed in buildings could hold off a 100 guys attacking... the gate and then the courtyard would have been a killing zone... or am I mixing up ancient tactics with modern ones or not getting a clear enough idea of the deployment...

If the 100 troops where stuck in the courtyard then it would have become shoot in the barrel... so if the Americans couldn't get into the buildings surrounding the courtyard it makes sense...

I watched it and it only said 16 and after men got wounded he and 1 other man were left or am I wrong ( I might be I was sorta multitasking damn homework)

Devastatin Dave
08-26-2005, 02:59
**salutes Sgt. 1st Class Paul Ray** :army:

Papewaio
08-26-2005, 03:17
I watched it and it only said 16 and after men got wounded he and 1 other man were left or am I wrong ( I might be I was sorta multitasking damn homework)

Well they said he saved a hundred lives:


Protecting vulnerable forces
Beyond his position were American medics, scouts, a mortar unit and a command post — all lightly armed and vulnerable.

“Sgt. 1st Class Smith’s actions saved the lives of at least 100 soldiers,” according to an Army narrative.

and was being attacked by


Fighting back with grenade, rocket, machine gun
The Iraqis, perhaps as many as 100, attacked with rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, or RPGs. Smith threw a grenade over a wall to drive back some of the Iraqis, then fired a rocket.

So he saved 100 while being attacked by as many as 100.

So an entrenched position with numbers in favour of the US Army.

The 100 must have been mainly non-combatants and the position inside the courtyard if the gate had been breached must have been deadly otherwise I cannot see why not fall back and have the gate entrance claymored and otherwise set for an ambush of the Iraqis?

I'm not a soldier so I am just wondering why not retreat to what I assume would be a better entrenched position?

Gawain of Orkeny
08-26-2005, 05:52
I watched it and it only said 16 and after men got wounded he and 1 other man were left or am I wrong ( I might be I was sorta multitasking damn homework)

No you are correct. Not only that these walls were made to keep people in and they couldnt shoot from them. The enemy was in the tower above them for the whole fight it seems. The sargent had to fire in three seperate directions to hold them all off.


Well they said he saved a hundred lives

These are rear echelon troops and could well have been surprised if they had gotten through. They werent so close as to know a battle was going on. Those in the compound were outnumbered at least 6 to 1.


So an entrenched position with numbers in favour of the US Army.

It wasnt entrenched and they were far outnumbered.


I'm not a soldier so I am just wondering why not retreat to what I assume would be a better entrenched position?

How their inside a stockade with the enemy at the only gate?

Papewaio
08-26-2005, 06:40
No you are correct. Not only that these walls were made to keep people in and they couldnt shoot from them. The enemy was in the tower above them for the whole fight it seems. The sargent had to fire in three seperate directions to hold them all off.



These are rear echelon troops and could well have been surprised if they had gotten through. They werent so close as to know a battle was going on. Those in the compound were outnumbered at least 6 to 1.



It wasnt entrenched and they were far outnumbered.



How their inside a stockade with the enemy at the only gate?

I'm just curious... they talk about a courtyard and a single gate.

A courtyard is normally surrounded by buildings otherwise it is called just a yard.

People come in a single entrance and are surrounded by buildings... I thought those on the inside firing into a courtyard would have a superior postion.

I'm trying to figure out the pros and cons of standing at the gate vs using the buildings for cover and firing from there at intruders at the gate?

Or was it purely a walled in yard?

Gawain of Orkeny
08-26-2005, 16:02
A courtyard is normally surrounded by buildings otherwise it is called just a yard.

People come in a single entrance and are surrounded by buildings... I thought those on the inside firing into a courtyard would have a superior postion.

I'm trying to figure out the pros and cons of standing at the gate vs using the buildings for cover and firing from there at intruders at the gate?

Or was it purely a walled in yard?

It was a walled yard. They were inside it. They had to blow a hole in the wall to even get in . Again they were looking for a place to set up a POW camp. These were engineers not grunts. They were the ones being fired at from the tower above them and could only return fire through the opening they had created. They used the apc to block the entrance hence all the enemies fire was being directed at that vehicle and the good sgt. He Ignored the danger to himself and continued to man his post to the very end. Again this is only the third medal of honor given out in 50 years. This guys is truly a friggin hero.

Aenlic
08-26-2005, 18:47
It was a walled yard. They were inside it. They had to blow a hole in the wall to even get in . Again they were looking for a place to set up a POW camp. These were engineers not grunts. They were the ones being fired at from the tower above them and could only return fire through the opening they had created. They used the apc to block the entrance hence all the enemies fire was being directed at that vehicle and the good sgt. He Ignored the danger to himself and continued to man his post to the very end. Again this is only the third medal of honor given out in 50 years. This guys is truly a friggin hero.

Agreed. Although I truly do not like the political reasons for our forces being there, the men and women on the ground are doing their duty and this guy is one of the best.

Kagemusha
08-26-2005, 19:29
He gave the ultimate sacrifice to his country,gave his life saving others.A true hero. :bow:

Papewaio
08-30-2005, 02:47
It was a walled yard. They were inside it. They had to blow a hole in the wall to even get in . Again they were looking for a place to set up a POW camp. These were engineers not grunts. They were the ones being fired at from the tower above them and could only return fire through the opening they had created. They used the apc to block the entrance hence all the enemies fire was being directed at that vehicle and the good sgt. He Ignored the danger to himself and continued to man his post to the very end. Again this is only the third medal of honor given out in 50 years. This guys is truly a friggin hero.

I'm not disputing his heroism.

He got a Medal of Honor for saving the lives of a hundred people. Good. Now honour him properly and minimise the chance that is happens again.

I'm trying to figure out what went wrong that meant he had to. What points of failure happened (in the chain of command)?

ie

Communication failure to the command squad?
Support fire from the mortar squad? They are infantry with mortars aren't they?

Firing for quarter of an hour... So where were the reserves? mortar fire, artillary? Helicoptors? Armour? etc.

What failed?, why did it fail? How can it be prevented from happening again?


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One of the reasons the previous two Medal of Honor died was the lack of armour support and other combined arms. If the attack had used APCs and Armour (instead of Humvees) with Apache escorts the downed Blackhawks would have been easier to secure.