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LeftEyeNine
08-28-2005, 18:57
" One day people will live in peace and prosperity, without any battles and fights. No racial, no religious, no sexual discrimination will take place. We will all live in peace.. "
Do you think humanity will ever be able to maintain a high-elf-like peaceful order ?
Whoever rowing towards such a purpose must be high (never an elf, though), or at least should be warned that it is impossible with the human nature existing as soon as possible - before losing the boat - I think.
"Bad" stands to show the value of the "Good". So that there always will be a "conflict - solution", "decay - heal", "fight - ceasefire" process, I think..
Any comments ? Or suggestions for a high elf life ?
I think its possible, yes. Through globalisation.
Ianofsmeg16
08-28-2005, 19:02
"To secure peace is to prepare for war" Don't Tread on me -Metallica
i'm sure somebody said it before but what the hay...
i dont think there can be pure peace. ountries are like children, sometimes the get along peacefully but other times they fight, we will never resolve that, some countries are just to different to get along
LeftEyeNine
08-28-2005, 19:03
Globalisation removes the country borders in theory, not the racial genetics, religious beliefs or sexual creation and preferences, does it ?
Kagemusha
08-28-2005, 19:19
Peace will fallow when every last of us humans are dead.
Duke Malcolm
08-28-2005, 19:21
I don't think that pure peace is possible. It is against human nature.
LeftEyeNine
08-28-2005, 19:30
Peace will fallow when every last of us humans are dead.
Maybe I have to understand my first post as if it was another member's post. It is pure peace because the high elves have it, not humans..~D
Kagemusha
08-28-2005, 19:44
Good thinking there LeftEyeNine. :bow:
Globalisation removes the country borders in theory, not the racial genetics, religious beliefs or sexual creation and preferences, does it ?
Eventually, it will. :)
Globalization does remove racial and cultural borders. When a Jew and a Christian marry (happen more often now) the border between the two shrinks, when an Arab immigrant marrys a Germanic person who's lived in the US all their life and is 7th generation borders are removed.
But even without globalization there can be peace. It won't happen while any of us are alive but it will eventually.
LeftEyeNine
08-28-2005, 20:14
Don't tell me that they mean "mutation" by saying "liberation" ! OH MY GOD !
Strike For The South
08-28-2005, 20:16
Peace? No. And what a boring world that would be anyway. One man's perfect is another man's terrible. It will always be a struggle between ideals, whether embodied in racism, war, or politics.
~:cheers:
Azi Tohak
08-28-2005, 20:17
No. I do not believe the world will ever be totally peaceful.
Azi
I don't think that pure peace is possible. It is against human nature.
It's not just "human" nature. It's against all nature.
LeftEyeNine
08-28-2005, 20:46
It's not just "human" nature. It's against all nature.
I've never seen a tree swinging furiously his branches towards another one. I did not see any lions killing some gazelle for fun either..
The devastation always occurs within nature while replacing it. But human nature devastates without healing or replacing it..
War isn't for fun either you realize. It's just a more advanced form of what happens in nature. A lion kills for food. Wolves fight and kill each other for control of territory... and so on. We do the same things in a more advanced fashion- fight for control of territory and resources.
Silver Rusher
08-28-2005, 20:58
What do Total War players care about peace?
LeftEyeNine
08-28-2005, 21:14
Xiahou
Your claim means that every battle has its universally rightful act ?
A lion kills for food. If one gazelle is enough, one gazelle is killed. He does not send his sons to sneak in other lions' areas to see how many gazelles live there or invades another reign to liberate the gazelles. They aim directly and in a plain manner.. Human nature does not stop with "basic satisfaction".
LeftEyeNine
08-28-2005, 21:18
What do Total War players care about peace?
Don't tell me that Sims players are all super-social types..
A lion kills for food- so do we. Also, lions, wolves, even simple jellyfish kill each other for control of territory and resources. You don't even have to consider predation. A lion will kill another because it has come onto his pride's territory or it may be killed itself by another lion who wants control of his territory and mates. The victor will the proceed to kill all of the young who are not it's own decendants. Wolf packs can completely wipe out rival packs in bids to take over their territory.
Even simple Anemones (http://news.com.com/The+wars+of+the+tidal+worlds/2100-7337_3-5843410.html) that float on the tides exist in a constant state of 'warfare' with colonies attacking and killing each other with every tide.
Kongamato
08-28-2005, 21:30
I don't think it is possible, as I think it would involve solving the scarcity problem. Scarcity is a root of many other problems, and human developments don't seem to be able to stop it.
LeftEyeNine
08-28-2005, 21:32
Xiahou,
Yes, all you say are true. And you simply point "survival of the fittest" rule. The mankind has many complex rules - usually much more than control of your territory and basic organic needs.
Yes, when there is some extra-terrestrial/super-natural presence that means anyone who even tries to start a war is immediately blown up or whatever.
We just need some teachers to control the moody bullies in the playground.
Xiahou,
Yes, all you say are true. And you simply point "survival of the fittest" rule. The mankind has many complex rules - usually much more than control of your territory and basic organic needs.Of course, everything about human society is more complex, by definition than the animal kingdom. If you're going to beg the question and define warfare as something only human, then of course war would end with the end of humanity. However, intraspecies conflict over territory and resources is not uniquely human and would continue regardless of our existence.
Del Arroyo
08-28-2005, 23:31
Peace is impossible, for one simple reason-- if everyone in the world lays down their arms, all it would take is a small group of agressive individuals to use this to their advantage and wreck everything.
Another clear indication of the impossibility of pure peace is that it has NEVER, in the ENTIRE existence of mankind, EVER occurred. Nor can it be found ANYWHERE in the animal kingdom.
To believe in the possibility of pure peace is pure delusion.
DA
Del Arroyo
08-28-2005, 23:33
And personally, I wouldn't want such a peace. The blind belief in such a peace is one of the most potentially dangerous delusions that anyone could have. He who would promise such a piece would really only be be offering a stifling tyranny.
DA
Divinus Arma
08-28-2005, 23:53
There will never be pure peace because of religion.
You can thank Christianity and Islam.
Maybe in the very very distant future...
sharrukin
08-29-2005, 00:12
There will never be pure peace because of religion.
You can thank Christianity and Islam.
Maybe in the very very distant future...
Yeah, Stalin was such a peaceful man.
We need more men like him!
Byzantine Prince
08-29-2005, 00:17
I think we first need to define "pure" peace or else this is just going to be one of those lame threads that go nowhere.
Let me be the first to say, not such thing as peace exists anyways. There is conflict within everyone of us and there is conflict within all the different groups and sub-groups of society.
Once again though, feel free to ignore me and go on with your tirades. ~:)
bmolsson
08-29-2005, 04:07
Peace is possible. We just need to learn alternative methods of conflict resolution.
Azi Tohak
08-29-2005, 04:29
Peace is impossible, for one simple reason-- if everyone in the world lays down their arms, all it would take is a small group of agressive individuals to use this to their advantage and wreck everything.
Another clear indication of the impossibility of pure peace is that it has NEVER, in the ENTIRE existence of mankind, EVER occurred. Nor can it be found ANYWHERE in the animal kingdom.
To believe in the possibility of pure peace is pure delusion.
DA
Thanks DA. Well said ~:cheers: I was too lazy to say that myself when I wrote in here before.
Azi
Ironside
08-29-2005, 08:04
What do you define as pure peace? A peace that would last forever, 1000 years, 100 years among humanity?
For a shorter time inteval (like 100 years) it will certainly be possible, but things never last forever.
BTW conflict is natural, war is not as long as the resources is plentyful.
There will never be pure peace because of religion.
You can thank Christianity and Islam.
this is an over-generalization. either of those two words that you thanked could easily be replaced by "secularism" and the result of the statement would be the same. secularism is incompatible with peace too.
there will never be pure peace because humans will never collectively agree on most things.
the only way to achieve pure peace is either through brainwashing, or forcing a universal iron dictatorship upon all human beings for which the grip is so tight that there is no opportunity for rebellion
Zalmoxis
08-29-2005, 08:48
No.
LeftEyeNine
08-29-2005, 17:41
this is an over-generalization. either of those two words that you thanked could easily be replaced by "secularism" and the result of the statement would be the same. secularism is incompatible with peace too.
there will never be pure peace because humans will never collectively agree on most things.
the only way to achieve pure peace is either through brainwashing, or forcing a universal iron dictatorship upon all human beings for which the grip is so tight that there is no opportunity for rebellion
This part remind me of the movie "Equilibrium", somewhat "Matrix" and a piece of the computer game "Moment Of Silence".
I asked you all about "Pure Peace" because there are so many people or organizations or creeds aiming that.
yesdachi
08-29-2005, 20:04
Peace is relative. There will never be a time of pure peace anywhere ever (not even in an all elf society). There will always be forces pulling against each other causing conflict. But we could experience a time of more relative peace with less killing, wars, religious strife, etc.
I think as a people we strive for conflict. It keeps us feeling alive that’s why games, sports, debates, politics, online forums, etc. are popular. People need conflict and when there is none we create it. But if we are respectful and tolerant of others we might be able to have a little more relative peace.
Now excuse me while I go smash something ~D
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