View Full Version : The Doors Vs. Creedence Clearwater: a Hippie/Music Enthusiast's Poll
Reverend Joe
09-02-2005, 02:28
We need a distraction.
I have decided to provide one in a poll that will (hopefully) not be as unbalanced as the last one I posted. Anyone who has heard both Creedence Clearwater and The Doors should qualify for a vote.
I gotta go with Creedence myself. The Doors were good; their debut album was amazing, and they did some great songs after that, but overall I just don't think they made it as well as Creedence Clearwater. Creedence did some of the best hippie blues I have ever heard, and I believe that, of all the groups I like right now, they are the one that will last the longest, with the possible exception of Floyd.
Edit: crap- how do I edit a poll question? The last question is supposed to say "I HATE you", not "I ATE you".
IrishMike
09-02-2005, 03:24
CCR all they way. Although i'm not sure about saying CCR was hippie, but its all good. Never just could get into the doors music style.
Big_John
09-02-2005, 03:26
i'd probably take ccr.. but neither interest me much. i want a "meh" option!
Strike For The South
09-02-2005, 03:27
you spelled hate wrong and ccr
Gotta go Doors. Both are good, though.
One of my favorite Simpsons moments comes when Marge asks Homer to do CPR (cardio-pulmonary resuscitation) and he breaks out in a rendition of 'Bad Moon Risin'
ichi ~:cheers:
of course, i voted Gah!
PanzerJaeger
09-02-2005, 06:25
The Doors definately.
Oh and your a freaking hippy and I hate you, leave the tavern. ~;)
Gawain of Orkeny
09-02-2005, 06:54
Two pretty different bands. CCR was raw and basic band as compared to the doors. But then that was their strength. No fancy instruments or orchestras. Just good old rock and roll. The Doors were more subliminal and intricate. Plus I think far more physchodelic.
doc_bean
09-02-2005, 09:49
I voted the Doors because they're more 'original', while CCR just made (very) good solid rock. I enjoy both though.
Doors all the way!
don't ask me why but I just enjoy them more.
Paul Peru
09-02-2005, 20:35
Two pretty different bands. CCR was raw and basic band as compared to the doors. But then that was their strength. No fancy instruments or orchestras. Just good old rock and roll. The Doors were more subliminal and intricate. Plus I think far more physchodelic.
I agree with that.
And I never ate meatwad. ~:)
Didn't really think of CCR as very hippie... ~:handball:
Nowadays The Polyphonic Spree spread some good vibes. :bow:
Steppe Merc
09-02-2005, 20:43
Doors. I love CCR, I think their a great band. But I like the Doors more. Not sure why, just do.
Although I'm not sure how good the Doors would have been without Jim Morrison... but then again the current version of CCR sucks withouth John Fogerty.
And I see CCR as hippies. They were close to the San Fransico scene... But they aren't as physchadelic as most of those guys. But they were pretty damn hippie.
Paul Peru
09-02-2005, 20:45
And I see CCR as hippies. They were close to the San Fransico scene... But they aren't as physchadelic as most of those guys. But they were pretty damn hippie.
You're the expert! :bow:
I'm too young, and the length of my hair is one of your earth inches. ~:)
Big King Sanctaphrax
09-02-2005, 20:50
I'm going to go with The Doors, although I'm a big CCR fan-Creedence never did anything to match 'The End'.
Kaiser of Arabia
09-02-2005, 21:09
Ccr
Reverend Joe
09-02-2005, 23:25
Damn it, who voted "Meatwad, I hate you" and didn't admit it? Come out of hiding, you bastard! :furious3:
Strike For The South
09-02-2005, 23:42
I did my meaty friend but only becuase you refute my moral ideals you stinkin hippie :furious3: ~D
Reverend Joe
09-02-2005, 23:47
Okay... I was just making sure noone had a real animosity towards me.
Strike For The South
09-02-2005, 23:48
Okay... I was just making sure noone had a real animosity towards me.
cmon you know I love you :iloveyou:
Reverend Joe
09-03-2005, 04:10
That choice was supposed to be a joke... :beadyeyes:
Steppe Merc
09-03-2005, 23:15
You're the expert! :bow:
I'm too young, and the length of my hair is one of your earth inches. ~:)
Hell, I'm only 17. ~;)
I think that Gawain summed it up the best (he was the real hippie, believe it or not ~;) )
Two pretty different bands. CCR was raw and basic band as compared to the doors. But then that was their strength. No fancy instruments or orchestras. Just good old rock and roll. The Doors were more subliminal and intricate. Plus I think far more physchodelic.
And meatwad, next just put in Gah, and leave it at that. ~;)
Gawain of Orkeny
09-03-2005, 23:28
And I see CCR as hippies.
Well back in the day we saw them more as rednecks. Their first song was pretty psychodelic though, Susie Q.
Big King Sanctaphrax
09-03-2005, 23:31
I always really like the CCR covers of 'I heard it on the grapevine' and 'I put a spell on you'. Really good versions of the songs.
Steppe Merc
09-03-2005, 23:31
Huh. Well I stand corrected. But I see them more hippie than say the Who, or some other contemporaries. But you'd know better than I would. :bow:
Big King Sanctaphrax
09-03-2005, 23:32
Huh. Well I stand corrected. But I see them more hippie than say the Who, or some other contemporaries. But you'd know better than I would. :bow:
I think you'll find that The Who were a mod band.
Steppe Merc
09-03-2005, 23:43
Well yeah, that's what I mean. They weren't hippies. ~;)
Big King Sanctaphrax
09-03-2005, 23:47
Well yeah, that's what I mean. They weren't hippies. ~;)
You said more hippie, which I took to mean that you thought The Who were hippies-just not very extreme ones. ~;)
It's a weird subculture, Moddism. I've never quite understood it.
Steppe Merc
09-03-2005, 23:58
No, Pete Townsend is too pissed off to be a hippie. ~D
And I also have never gotten the whole mods and rockers thingy.
Axeknight
09-04-2005, 00:00
The Doors did 'The End', so they win by default.
And BKS, being a Mod was all about riding a moped and wearing a completely new fashion every week. Any attempt to analyse it further will only result in your brain imploding. FYI, The Who themselves weren't mods. Mods just liked them. They say so in the story on the Quadrophenia sleeve notes.
Gawain of Orkeny
09-04-2005, 00:44
And BKS, being a Mod was all about riding a moped and wearing a completely new fashion every week.
You want to know what a Mod is listen to Quadraphania. Mods were however sort of the original hippies. . All us hippies called the Who our own. They invented heavy rock. All their stuff was protest and drug related. They were the more militant arm of the hippie movement. Wont get fooled again is a real classic as is my generation just to name a few. Theres nobody other than the Beatles that I indentified with more back then. The who only were mods for a while . That was in the early 60s. When the hippie movement started they were right there.
MODS
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Hippies
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I always loved watching Pete do this
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Axeknight
09-04-2005, 01:12
I love Quadrophenia, Gawain. In the thanks it says (paraphrasing since I don't have it in front of me) "None of the characters in the story are supposed to represent our lives, especially not the parents. Our Mums and Dads are all lovely people who live in bungalows we've bought for them in the Orkney Islands." ~D
Big King Sanctaphrax
09-04-2005, 01:23
Yes, Quadrophenia is a brilliant album. The image it evokes-eating a pie in some grotty chippy on the Brighton seafront-is one of the most powerful I get from any music. Plus, the tunes are some of the best they ever wrote-Love, reign O'er me being the stand out track, I think, with the thunderous bass of the up tempo The Real Me coming a close second.
I always thought that Quadrophenia was more of a send-up of moddism, though, to be honest-making fun of how ridiculous sticking thousands of wing mirrors on your scooter and wearing a perfectly tailored suit just to feel a part of something bigger than yourself was. There are a couple of references to some of their mod period songs, if you listen.
It's Outer Hebrides, by the way-although I did cheat and look at the album booklet ~D
Steppe Merc
09-04-2005, 02:39
Gawain, I know that they were sort of accepted into the hippie label, but Pete himself never liked them. He hated Woodstock, and I'm pretty sure he never really got the whole thing.
Not saying I don't like them, they're quite good, though I can't agree with some of Pete's views. He hates Led Zeppelin, which loses him point automatically. ~;)
PanzerJaeger
09-04-2005, 03:03
Not saying I don't like them, they're quite good, though I can't agree with some of Pete's views. He hates Led Zeppelin, which loses him point automatically.
Jealousy. Led Zeppelin exceeded The Who in every measure, from popularity to musical talent. ~;)
Steppe Merc
09-04-2005, 16:49
Agreed. ~:cheers:
WTF IS THE DOORS??????
what songs did they write????
i never heard of them
I voted for CCR they rock. ~:cheers:
Gawain of Orkeny
09-06-2005, 02:02
Jealousy. Led Zeppelin exceeded The Who in every measure, from popularity to musical talent.
No way. The Who are the original and Zep the imitator. They even got their name from the Who. Zep is more comericial. THe Who are far more talented. I mean the Kinks are better than zep also. Led Zepplin is greatly overrated and they put on the worst live concert by a major band I ever wittnesed personally. Believe it or not most of my generation didnt like them. Well we liked them but didnt think they were anything special. In fact I like them better now than back in the day.
Also actually the first heavy rock band was Blue Cheer then the Who.
http://www.bluecheer.info/images/bluecheerindexb.jpg
Blue Cheer Link (http://www.bluecheer.info/images/bluecheerindexb.jpg)
Now thats pyshcodelic.
Reverend Joe
09-06-2005, 02:07
WTF IS THE DOORS??????
What the **** is the Doors ?! If you're a hippie, you're not a very good one. The Doors are one of the classic hippie bands of all time. I still think Creedence Clearwater is better, but the Doors were really good.
Reverend Joe
09-06-2005, 02:10
http://www.bluecheer.info/images/bluecheerindexb.jpg
Blue Cheer Link (http://www.bluecheer.info/images/bluecheerindexb.jpg)
Now thats pyshcodelic.
I will take a look at Blue Cheer- thanks for the inadvertant advice.
Well, there may be a few more posts, but it looks like the Doors will win. Also, I now know that 3 people hate me. ~;)
PanzerJaeger
09-06-2005, 03:02
No way. The Who are the original and Zep the imitator.
How has Zep imitated The Who? Zep came out of the Yardbirds where Page overshadowed Beck and the others and they quit. Some of the later Who stuff such as Behind Blue Eyes was very Zep like though. Im not sayin, im just sayin.. ~;)
They even got their name from the Who.
That is sort of funny. Moon and Townshend were jealous from the start and Moon said Zep would go down like a lead balloon. Turns out Zep was far more successful than The Who, something Townshend has never gotten over.
Zep is more comericial.
Thats why Atlantic Records fought them tooth and nail for the few singles they ever released? Thats why they followed the extremely successful II with the far more artistic III? Thats why when they formed SwanSong they never released singles? Only very recently has Zep sold out, think of how early the Who got whored out.. I heard their music on commercials in the 80s. :dizzy2:
THe Who are far more talented.
In what ways? Musically Zep far exceeded them in every format. Commercially theres no comparison. The Who had a few good songs and a lot of OK, while Zep had several albums full of classics.
I mean the Kinks are better than zep also.
Now you're just being contrarian. ~D
Led Zepplin is greatly overrated and they put on the worst live concert by a major band I ever wittnesed personally.
Thats all subjective. Ive heard of how amazing they were in concert and heard and seen it myself.
Believe it or not most of my generation didnt like them.
Thats why the sold better than any other rock band besides the Beatles? You are right though, they went beyond the hippie, political type music. They made music that stands the test of time, as their popularity today indicates. Jimmy Page specifically didnt want to do the social statement thing that the Who was big into because he wanted the music to transend a specific era.
In any event, its all subjective.. but the numbers are on Zeps side, especially compared to the Who.. i mean, most of their Greatest Hits CD is filler. LZs Greatest hits has 2 CDs worth of great music. That says a lot.
Reverend Joe
09-06-2005, 03:09
Frankly, I don't really like Zeppelin much; their music strikes me as being mundane. I really think that Creedence Clearwater and Pink Floyd did much better at the rock genre (even if they were at opposite polls.) Then again, I also really like Iron Butterfly, so I am not obviously not voicing any sort of mainstream opinion here.
PanzerJaeger
09-06-2005, 03:26
CCR all sounds the same, I cant stand them anymore. But Floyd was definately good. ~:)
Gawain of Orkeny
09-06-2005, 08:46
How has Zep imitated The Who? Zep came out of the Yardbirds where Page overshadowed Beck and the others and they quit.
Nope . First was Clapton who quit because they were to comercial. Then came Beck. When he quit they reformed the band as Zepplin and Page joined.
Only very recently has Zep sold out, think of how early the Who got whored out.. I heard their music on commercials in the 80s.
Thats nort whats meant by commercial music.
In what ways? Musically Zep far exceeded them in every format. Commercially theres no comparison. The Who had a few good songs and a lot of OK, while Zep had several albums full of classics.
No way. How many rock operas do they have? And I see you now admit commercially theres no comparison. The Who had a few good songs? Are you kidding me? The whole album Whos next is incredible. Niot to mention Tommy and Quadraphania. Their writting skill blows Zep away. Heck most of their stuff is covers .Ill take Cream over Zep anyday. In fact Zep dont even make my top 10.
Only Zeps first 5 albums were really good. It was down hill from there.
Now you're just being contrarian.
Again musicaly and lyricly they blow Zepplin Away.
ILl tell you what for every good Zep song you can name I can name a Who or Kinks song I like better. These are the two real pioneers of this type of music.
PS have you ever heard Live at Leeds?
PanzerJaeger
09-06-2005, 20:26
Ok I see what the disagreement is about. We just have different tastes. I cannot stand rock operas, just cant stand them. Im more of an AC/DC fan over a Queen fan, for example.
But as far as musical progression goes, Zep had plenty of that. They didnt do rock operas, but they did do tremendous songs such as Kashmir. They incorporated many more forms of music in their work than the Who did, or the Kinks. You can find traditional celtic, deep southern blues, african, indian and many other influences in their music that are perfectly infused.
Id say each artist in Zep was a far better musician than most of the rockers out there. They were rockers, but they didnt let that genre box them in. They didnt follow a specific format that gained them success earlier.
As far as what they are best known for - hard rock - they are the greatest. The Who didnt do too much hard rock in comparison, and it just cant compare the the long list of great rock songs Zep has done. Thats why they are known as the grandfathers of hard rock.
And yea ive seen Live at Leeds, its awesome. Im not saying the Who are bad (I like a lot of their stuff), just that Zep outdid them. Have you heard How The West Was Won?
Big King Sanctaphrax
09-06-2005, 20:37
The Who didnt do too much hard rock in comparison
The Who invented Hard Rock! Along with Deep Purple, I'd say. I see Led Zep as more of a blues rock band than a hard rock one: and although Led Zep produced a larger volume of good material than The Who, I would say that The Who were the more influential band-they pioneered concept albums and the use of synths, among other things. The musicianship question isn't cut and dried either-Entwhistle was a better bass player than Jones, I'd say, although Jimmy was a better lead guitarist.
Just to throw something contoversial into the mix as well-The Who didn't steal a lot of their best known tunes...~;)
I love both bands, though.
Reverend Joe
09-06-2005, 20:49
This thread is getting a little off-topic... I think I will post a "Who- Led Zeppelin" poll.
PanzerJaeger
09-06-2005, 20:58
The Who invented Hard Rock!
What songs of theirs would you say are hard rock?
Just to throw something contoversial into the mix as well-The Who didn't steal a lot of their best known tunes...
Which songs do you think they stole? I know there were some arguments after the breakup of the Yardbirds and Beck threw a fit about how much better Zep did some of that music than he did, but Page had just as much right to it as Beck.
ShadesWolf
09-06-2005, 21:30
I voted the Doors as I have all the albums, and played alot of the stuff during my Uni years
I dont have any Creedence Clearwater
Big King Sanctaphrax
09-06-2005, 21:37
Which songs do you think they stole? I know there were some arguments after the breakup of the Yardbirds and Beck threw a fit about how much better Zep did some of that music than he did, but Page had just as much right to it as Beck.
Perhaps stole is a bit too strong. They took a fairly large amount of material from old blues artists, though.
http://experts.about.com/q/501/4040316.htm (http://experts.about.com/q/501/4040316.htm)
PanzerJaeger
09-06-2005, 22:03
If you consider that "stealing music", well theres nothing I can say.
Big King Sanctaphrax
09-06-2005, 22:08
Like I say, I'm a huge Zeppelin fan-it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the band. I just thought it was worth bringing up in a discussion of who's better, that's all.
Del Arroyo
09-07-2005, 17:11
Since I don't know who CCR is, and the Doors definitely have a lot of catchy songs which have a habit of getting stuck in my head.... the Doors.
DA
Reverend Joe
09-07-2005, 19:53
Several people voted here who didn't know, or hadn't heard, one of the two albums. I think that, for future reference, you should really listen to both groups before passing judgement in a poll. Not criticism, just advice.
The Doors blow CCR away ~:cheers: , but CCR can sometimes be 'fun' to
listen to- I really like 'Down on the Bayou' ~:cool: .
Gawain of Orkeny
09-07-2005, 23:26
What songs of theirs would you say are hard rock? [
Most of them .Start with the album Live at Leeds.
"The Who were at the time the loudest band in the world. They had just conquered America, played at Woodstock and Tommy was being hailed as a work of genius. And what did they do? Arrived at Leeds Uni and recorded what I reckon to be the best live album ever."
LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/leeds/content/articles/2005/09/02/music_the_who_live_in_leeds_feature.shtml)
More. This one has out takes of all the songs. You tell me which ones arent hard rock.
Live At Leeds (http://www.thewho.net/linernotes/LiveAtLeeds.htm)
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