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Strike For The South
09-04-2005, 01:39
Sorry Canada (http://gprime.net/video.php/foxoncanada)
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'm not even Canadian and I found that offensive. Also very funny. I guess someone had spiked their drinks lol?
Zalmoxis
09-04-2005, 01:48
These are the type of people that need to be humiliated publicly by having them put in burlap sacks and beaten with baseball bats. That's my opinion, in any case.
Ann is peeved off at Canada because a CBC journalist made her look like the total buffoon that she is on national television a few months ago
Ann kept insisting that Canada sent troops to Vietnam. the CBC journalist pointed out that Canada did not. yet she kept insisting that Canada did. it was a completely hilarious interview to watch, btw. ~D
and yes, those two are both crazy mofos
Zalmoxis
09-04-2005, 01:52
Oh, I've seen that video! Does she pre-plan these to get attention, or is she naturally stupid? I believe it's the latter.
Louis VI the Fat
09-04-2005, 01:53
I'd still do her... ~:handball:
Doesn't bother us worth gopher spit.
We love being underestimated. Makes the win all the tastier. ~:smoking:
I'd still do her... ~:handball:
you know what they say.....you can´t discuss taste....
no matter how weird it is...yuck ~D
Strike For The South
09-04-2005, 02:07
I'd still do her... ~:handball:
Louie just becuase shes french dosent make it right we dont need little anns ~D btw I would to ~:cheers:
Big_John
09-04-2005, 02:11
I'd still do her... ~:handball:good grief man, WHY!?! :wreck:
PanzerJaeger
09-04-2005, 02:15
LoL, I love Ann. She sends liberals into a flaming frenzy with every word she says, and is a constant reminder of how conservatives have a much better sense of humor. :laugh4:
Big King Sanctaphrax
09-04-2005, 02:17
Isn't she a part time underwear model?
Scary...
good grief man, WHY!?!
I think it's important to bear in mind here that Louis thinks Gwen Stefani is attractive.
*shudder*
Strike For The South
09-04-2005, 02:18
[qoute]LoL, I love Ann. She sends liberals into a flaming frenzy with every word she says, and is a constant reminder of how conservatives have a much better sense of humor.[qoute]
actually no liberals constantly pick apart her arguments and she responds with petty insults she does not represent me as a conservative
and is a constant reminder of how conservatives have a much better sense of humor. :laugh4:Two words.
Dennis. Miller.
:uhoh:
Big_John
09-04-2005, 02:23
I think it's important to bear in mind.. *shudder*well, i guess if skeletal androgeny is your thing.. she'd be the cat's meow.
lol @ graphic.
PanzerJaeger
09-04-2005, 02:28
actually no liberals constantly pick apart her arguments and she responds with petty insults she does not represent me as a conservative
Hehe, you're doing exactly what the libs do. Shes not a senator man, shes a satirist - laugh a little for Christ sakes and dont take things so seriously, she sure doesnt. ~D
Alexander the Pretty Good
09-04-2005, 02:28
She's not that bad.
And that was freaking hilarious. We need Canada at the very least because Canada causes this. ~D
Reverend Joe
09-04-2005, 02:31
LoL, I love Ann. She sends liberals into a flaming frenzy with every word she says, and is a constant reminder of how conservatives have a much better sense of humor. :laugh4:
To me, she and Tucker Carlson are reminders that the conservative movement will soon self-destruct, because their main speakers are borderline retarted. I find Dave Atell funny, not those two.
Oh yeah, and I would NOT like to "do" Ann Coulter. (Not enough to "hold onto"... ~;) plus she is almost skeletal.)
Strike For The South
09-04-2005, 02:33
Hehe, you're doing exactly what the libs do. Shes not a senator man, shes a satirist - laugh a little for Christ sakes and dont take things so seriously, she sure doesnt. ~D
Dennis miller He is good Ann is a retard who sould be put in a small room with no sharp edges
Byzantine Prince
09-04-2005, 02:36
What is this; the third grade? Are we all children?
Who talks like, "we need you, more then you need us"? This is like the kind of statement that a 10 year old should be too mature to not be embarrassed about making.
And no Panzer it's not that funny, because these people pretend to be serious pundents and journalists and all they do is write long tirades filled with platitudes that no serious person *should* take seriously.
Kaiser of Arabia
09-04-2005, 02:37
Its so true..
GodsPetMonkey
09-04-2005, 02:37
LoL, I love Ann. She sends liberals into a flaming frenzy with every word she says, and is a constant reminder of how conservatives have a much better sense of humor. :laugh4:
Didn't your mother ever teach you that it is not right to laugh at people who are menta... errr, not as mentally adept as normal people?
PanzerJaeger
09-04-2005, 02:50
This thread is so funny. It reminds me of the time the Canadian Broadcast Company, in all their wisdom, interviewed Ann Coulter as a "serious voice in American politics". It was hilarious how serious they took her.. speaking of morons. :laugh4:
Ann reminds me just a little of Mark Twain. He made his points through outlandish, funny, and very politically incorrect prose.
Anyone who takes a statement of Ann Coulter's seriously and doesnt comprehend the obvious satire that laces the comment, should not be taken seriously themselves.
Strike For The South
09-04-2005, 02:52
This thread is so funny. It reminds me of the time the Canadian Broadcast Company, in all their wisdom, interviewed Ann Coulter as a "serious voice in American politics". It was hilarious how serious they took her.. speaking of morons. :laugh4:
Ann reminds me just a little of Mark Twain. He made his points through outlandish, funny, and very politically incorrect prose.
Anyone who takes a statement of Ann Coulter's seriously and doesnt comprehend the obvious satire that laces the comment, should not be taken seriously themselves.
OK lets do this agian SHE BELIEVES THE DRIVEL THAT COMES OUT OF HER MOUTH SHE IS NOT BEING SARCASTIC
Alexander the Pretty Good
09-04-2005, 02:53
That's why we talk about doing her.
So that is American satire? Oh.......
Reverend Joe
09-04-2005, 02:57
We're not saying that we don't see the satire. We're just saying that she's not very smart.
Anyway, a news broadcast is hardly a place for humour. Bringing humour into the news is another part of the vast rightwing conspiracy that threatens to destroy journalism as we know it (and yes, that is partly satire on my part... I just find the notion of a leftwing conspiracy to be ridiculous, seeing as the news is incredibly rightwing these days.)
If I want humour, I will watch Dave Attell, or read Carl Hiaasen or Hunter S. Thompson. If I want news I read the newspaper. TV news has turned to slop because of people like Ann Coultier.
OK lets do this agian SHE BELIEVES THE DRIVEL THAT COMES OUT OF HER MOUTH SHE IS NOT BEING SARCASTIC
And that's from a rightist... ~:eek:
As per my post in the other thread, Ann Coulter used to be a man. She was a he. At least, it certainly looks that way. Big hand, deep voice, Adam's apple. Ann Coulter obviously used to be Andy Coulter. ~D
Reverend Joe
09-04-2005, 03:12
Panzer. Check yourself. You just compared Ann Coulter to freaking Mark Twain.
:jawdrop:
Wow. I missed that one.
GodsPetMonkey
09-04-2005, 03:17
Ann reminds me just a little of Mark Twain. He made his points through outlandish, funny, and very politically incorrect prose.
Mark Twain was intelligent, witty and a very talented writer.
Ann is none of the above. Mr Clemens is probably turning in his grave at such a comparison...
Anyone who takes a statement of Ann Coulter's seriously and doesnt comprehend the obvious satire that laces the comment, should not be taken seriously themselves.
Taking her comments seriously is as silly an idea as taking Moore's comments seriously... but neither of them give any inkling of satire or sarcasm, it appears they both take their own drivel quite seriously.
PanzerJaeger
09-04-2005, 03:22
Panzer. Check yourself. You just compared Ann Coulter to freaking Mark Twain.
Just got done checking myself. Everything is where it should be - no worrying lumps or moles. Thanks for your concern. :bow:
Now then, I would suggest some people in this thread reconsider how much credibility you give Ann. She's only as important as you make her. Is Al Franken the voice of the left wing movement? ~;)
She hasnt been on the best seller list for so long due to her political views, but her ability to put them in a comical format that is fun to read. Her worth is in her ability to make politics entertaining, shes not a policy maker for heaven' sake! No one making important decisions says "Lets get Ann's take on this." ~D
Gawain of Orkeny
09-04-2005, 03:30
SHE BELIEVES THE DRIVEL THAT COMES OUT OF HER MOUTH SHE IS NOT BEING SARCASTIC
Apparently her sarcasim went over your head.
As per my post in the other thread, Ann Coulter used to be a man. She was a he. At least, it certainly looks that way. Big hand, deep voice, Adam's apple. Ann Coulter obviously used to be Andy Coulter
But what a rack on her. ~D Theres always the old paper bag trick.
We're not saying that we don't see the satire. We're just saying that she's not very smart.
Yeah we here that all the time. Your right shes not smart shes brilliant.
Ill post this for the 4th or 5th time. Can any of you match these credentials?
Ann Coulter is the author of three books, all New York Times best sellers -- Treason: Liberal Treachery From the Cold War to the War on Terrorism (June 2003); Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right (June 2002); and High Crimes and Misdemeanors:The Case Against Bill Clinton (August 1998). Her next book will be released this fall.
Coulter is the legal correspondent for Human Events and writes a popular syndicated column for Universal Press Syndicate. She is a frequent guest on many TV shows, including Hannity and Colmes, Wolf Blitzer Reports, At Large With Geraldo Rivera, Scarborough Country, HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, The O'Reilly Factor, Good Morning America and has been profiled in numerous publications, including TV Guide, the Guardian (UK), the New York Observer, National Journal, Harper's Bazaar, and Elle magazine, among others. She was named one of the top 100 Public Intellectuals by federal judge Richard Posner in 2001.
Coulter clerked for the Honorable Pasco Bowman II of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit and was an attorney in the Department of Justice Honors Program for outstanding law school graduates.
After practicing law in private practice in New York City, Coulter worked for the Senate Judiciary Committee, where she handled crime and immigration issues for Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan. From there, she became a litigator with the Center For Individual Rights in Washington, DC, a public interest law firm dedicated to the defense of individual rights with particular emphasis on freedom of speech, civil rights, and the free exercise of religion.
A Connecticut native, Coulter graduated with honors from Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences, and received her J.D. from University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review.
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What a moron huh? The women is funny. You guys take her to serious. The more you say things about her like that the better she likes it. It means she strauck a nerve. There always has to be a bit of truth in humor.
And strike shes gonna be kinda pissed at you if she sees this. Making her name French. Its Coulter not Coultier. Like she said she dosent hate all Canadians only the french speaking ones. ~;) France is another country high on her list of favorites.
That was some pretty funny stuff. I guess you think Tucker really thinks most Canadians go dog sledding also.
sharrukin
09-04-2005, 03:37
That was some pretty funny stuff. I guess you think Tucker really thinks most Canadians go dog sledding also.
As a Canadian may I be the first to say; Who Cares! She makes cracks about Canada, France, etc. I like people like Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, and Ann Coulter who say things that others are too afraid to say, or have too much common sense to say.
Reverend Joe
09-04-2005, 03:38
But what a rack on her.~D
Eeew... :inquisitive:
As for her credentials: being on a New York Times Bestseller's list is no indication of intellegence. Nor is college, for that matter, except in highly selective areas.
I don't see the relevance of the rest.
Hell, Hunter S. Thompson graduated from college, and he had multiple bestsellers- and you wouldn't call him intellegent if someone threatened to saw off your testicles if you didn't. But I think he is one of the great minds of our time.
This stuff is all subjective. And the sooner you recognise that, the better, for your sake.
PanzerJaeger
09-04-2005, 03:39
She means what she says.
Really? Nah, man, shes a satirist.. its subjective if shes a good one or not, but she is. ~;)
Coulter gained prominence in the field of conservative commentators with her brand of outspoken criticism of many liberal and Democratic Party figures and policies over the past half-century. She quickly established a reputation as a controversial and colorful speaker, and indeed has relished this role (Coulter, August 2002). As she told The Sunday Times in 2002, "I am a polemicist. I am perfectly frank about that. I like to stir up the pot. I don't pretend to be impartial or balanced, as broadcasters do."
Coulter has said she likes to read anything written by humorist Dave Barry (Coulter, January 2004), and she often employs comic techniques similar in style to his writings.
I think you guys take her more seriously than she takes herself. ~D
Gawain of Orkeny
09-04-2005, 03:42
As a Canadian may I be the first to say; Who Cares! She makes cracks about Canada, France, etc. I like people like Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, and Ann Coulter who say things that others are too afraid to say, or have too much common sense to say.
Yes and you can throw Rush Limbaugh into that mix also. Its called irreverant humor and their all good at it . I used to love Don Rickles and Jackie Brown. Archie Bunker was the best at it though ~D These people are entertainers for crying out loud.
Strike For The South
09-04-2005, 03:42
even if she is a comic she perpetuates a bad image on all american conservatives as "blow them up they aint american kill kill no disagreeing nuke the middle east christanity is the coolest" I don't like her
Reverend Joe
09-04-2005, 03:44
These people are entertainers for crying out loud.
But they don't belong in the NEWS. That is what makes the difference. I don't watch the Daily Show to get my news- I read a paper.
Gawain of Orkeny
09-04-2005, 03:45
even if she is a comic she perpetuates a bad image on all american conservatives as "blow them up they aint american kill kill no disagreeing nuke the middle east christanity is the coolest" I don't like her
I thought you were a conservative? She only gives us a bad image to liberlas who think that ayway.Who cares? Screw them if they cant take a joke. ~D
PanzerJaeger
09-04-2005, 03:47
even if she is a comic she perpetuates a bad image on all american conservatives as "blow them up they aint american kill kill no disagreeing nuke the middle east christanity is the coolest" I don't like her
Which conservatives have ever voted for her? Which conservatives mention her as a mentor or an inspiration?
Ann is not a critical conservative thinker, shes just a conservative satirist. Someone conservative thinkers read to get some light entertainment. You're acting as if shes some sort of leader or something.
Her books are meant to be funny and make you think. Thats all.. You are one of the only people who calls himself conservative that I have ever seen take her so seriously. If you're going to be a righty, you need to get a sense of humor man! ~:)
AntiochusIII
09-04-2005, 03:49
Why do I have this feeling that those who are coming to protect their precious Ann Coulter is just either agreeing with her irrationally offensive opinion - a satire, perhaps, but used, blatantly, as news - or just have a liking over her anorexic body? ~:grouphug:
Byzantine Prince
09-04-2005, 03:50
Ok, Panzer I'm really confused by this. So she's trying to be funny by being stupid and offensive? How are we supposed to know if she means any of the statements she makes. It's like saying that George Bush should be excused for the stupid and untterly non-sensical things he says because he's trying to be funny!
If it worked like that then she should acknowledge the fact that she is not a serious person, or I'm sure there's people that will believe everything she says. I'm certain there are people like that. They might even be most of her audience.
I'm serious. I'm not joking. Repeat, I'm NOT joking. She is not funny at all! Maybe funny in an annoying way.
Strike For The South
09-04-2005, 03:50
I have a sense of humor and ann is not funny and i am conservative i just don't like ann can I have my own view on her or does this mean im out of the club :embarassed:
Zalmoxis
09-04-2005, 03:53
I'm gonna agree with BP. If she's trying to be funny, she ends up making herself look stupid. GW stupid, that is.
Gawain of Orkeny
09-04-2005, 03:59
I have a sense of humor and ann is not funny and i am conservative i just don't like ann can I have my own view on her or does this mean im out of the club
Hey everyones entitled to their opinions.
she ends up making herself look stupid. GW stupid, that is.
Ann never stumbles over her words. Again the woman is brilliant. You just dont like her style.
I'm serious. I'm not joking. Repeat, I'm NOT joking. She is not funny at all! Maybe funny in an annoying way.
You guys really dont get it. Thats her schtick. If she didnt insist she meant every word of it you wouldnt take her serious and she wouldnt get the reaction from you that shes seeking.
Reverend Joe
09-04-2005, 04:03
I think that the consensus here, except among those who have a "thing" for Ann Coultier's bony, half-dead corpse of a body, is that Ann Coultier is NOT funny, even if she is trying to be (which I do think she is; she's just not doing a very good job of it.)
You want humour? Here's some humour for you:
All manner of men came to work for the News: everything from wild young Turks who wanted to rip the world in half and start all over again- to tired, beer-bellied old hacks who wanted nothing more than to live out their days in peace before a bunch of lunatics ripped the world in half.
:laugh4: Classic. (I just started reading The Rum Diary.)
Proletariat
09-04-2005, 04:05
So that is American satire? Oh.......
No, smart guy. The Simpsons is.
Not quite sure why you think Coulter is an accurate cross section of American satire, unless of course you think Panzer's comments are an accurate cross section of Americans.
PanzerJaeger
09-04-2005, 04:12
LoL this thread is hilarious. You guys are mulling over the political leanings and comedic value of Ann Coulter! Its almost as funny as it is pathetic.
Shes about as important on the political spectrum as I am.. get a grip! You dont have to be so melodramatic all the time! :laugh4:
Alexander the Pretty Good
09-04-2005, 04:15
They are also mulling over your opinions, Panzer. I agree with you about Coulter being unimportant (though she is no Mark Twain!) I don't think you need to get worked up about them getting worked up about her.
Coulter should be a subject we can all share with a laugh - same as Moore and many other crackpots. They should be uniters, not dividers ( ~;) ).
AntiochusIII
09-04-2005, 04:19
I think that more people are offended by the fact that you compared her to Mark Twain than her offensive not-funny-at-all opinions or her anorexic body, Panzer. It is quite an insult to the great writer, you know...
A.Saturnus
09-04-2005, 16:27
Ann is not a critical conservative thinker, shes just a conservative satirist. Someone conservative thinkers read to get some light entertainment. You're acting as if shes some sort of leader or something.
If she´s a satirist, wouldn´t that mean she´s actually a left-wing satirist? I mean, she obviously plays the caricature of a conservative political commentator. She´s making fun of the conservative position by ridiculing it. I guess she´s a die-hard liberal with a good sense of humor.
Byzantine Prince
09-04-2005, 16:40
LoL this thread is hilarious. You guys are mulling over the political leanings and comedic value of Ann Coulter! Its almost as funny as it is pathetic.
Shes about as important on the political spectrum as I am.. get a grip! You dont have to be so melodramatic all the time! :laugh4:
Well let me get this straight. Did you read what said? I told you that a lot of people wouldn't tell the difference. There's a lot of ignorant people out there to whom she would make absolute sense! Probably most of her audience.
It's not like Bill O'Reily is THAT much less outragious then her, and don't tell me people take him as a big joke. Polls have been done from people that watch FOX news and it shows they think that Iraq has WMD's, and that Saddam Hussein caused 9/11.
Please reply to this without the "HAHAHAAHA! You a guys are soooo funny. It's all fun and games!", because these people HAVE serious influence on a large part of America, and so influence who get's the vote as well. almost 2,000 more Americans are dead because of that meaningless war to make a few people rich.
PanzerJaeger
09-04-2005, 17:55
I told you that a lot of people wouldn't tell the difference. There's a lot of ignorant people out there to whom she would make absolute sense! Probably most of her audience.
Its not my fault idiots exist BP. What do you want me to say? "Yes Ann Coulter is bad because idiots dont understand her writing style and they might take her seriously!"
Hell no, im not going to let idiots dictate what forms of writing should be done. If these unwashed masses you refer to are not swayed by Ms. Coulter, im sure they will be swayed by someone else at some point.
Should we get rid of your beloved Nietzsche because plenty of people dont understand him? Because he turned out to be a bit of a nutter?
Please reply to this without the "HAHAHAAHA! You a guys are soooo funny. It's all fun and games!", because these people HAVE serious influence on a large part of America, and so influence who get's the vote as well. almost 2,000 more Americans are dead because of that meaningless war to make a few people rich.
But it is funny BP. Youve obviously formed your opinion of American politics based on those CBC "documentaries" you linked earlier - and thats damned funny.
Who is influenced by Ann Coulter? Nobody. Shes on the nightly debate shows because shes fun to watch. Whats outrageous thing is Ann going to say tonight? Who is she going to insult? Its just entertainment.
You seriously need to stop letting the CBC fill your head with false assumptions about American politics. Those documentaries were completely BS... they went far beyond the realm of conservative or liberal bias into outright lies. American soldiers are not dead because of Ann Coulter. ~:rolleyes:
Anyone who takes a statement of Ann Coulter's seriously and doesnt comprehend the obvious satire that laces the comment, should not be taken seriously themselves.
What is truly sad and funny about this is that it is true, yet millions of today's so-called conservatives take her at her word and believe much of what she says is true.
To be exact, she doesn't doesn't do satire. She is not making fun of the eccentricities of the far right, which would be satire. No, she is simply a purveyor of the outlandish. She exists for shock value alone. She lacks two important things: one she isn't funny - in other words her material is weak, so she comes up short as a comedian, and two, she lacks objectivity and respectability so she fails as a journalist.
ichi :bow:
Gawain of Orkeny
09-04-2005, 19:45
What is truly sad and funny about this is that it is true, yet millions of today's so-called conservatives take her at her word and believe much of what she says is true.
I dont know a one. All have pretty much the same thoughts on her as Panzer and I that I know. Shes great entertainment. Yes we agree with her pemise usually but its the extremes she goes to to make her point that are so much fun. I dont like what Bill Maher has to say but I have to admit he is funny. Again there has to be some truth in humor.
Taffy_is_a_Taff
09-04-2005, 19:47
she cracks me up anyway.
Gawain of Orkeny
09-04-2005, 19:53
Yeah she should get a show on comedy central to balance out John Stewart. Only good conservative show on that network is South Park.
Yeah she should get a show on comedy central to balance out John Stewart. Only good conservative show on that network is South Park.
south park is conservative?.....except for cartman i don´t see how....
and let´s face it cartman´s a moron anyway ~D
"you will respect my autoritha!!!"
Ser Clegane
09-04-2005, 20:45
Does that mean that the next time somebody in the Backroom says "Republicans are all traitors and should be shot" we should just take it as brilliant satire/humor and not the inacceptable slander it is? ~:confused:
Gawain of Orkeny
09-04-2005, 22:14
south park is conservative?.....except for cartman i don´t see how....
THen you dont pay attention. You ever see the one where they get stuck in the rain forrest and the natives are going to eat them but the construction workers tearing down the forrest saves them? Its constantly bashing the PC crowd.
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and let´s face it cartman´s a moron anyway
Cartman is the funniest guy on TV today and Archie Bunker was before him. At least we can laugh at ourselves.
THen you dont pay attention. You ever see the one where they get stuck in the rain forrest and the natives are going to eat them but the construction workers tearing down the forrest saves them? Its constantly bashing the PC crowd.
anti-pc i agree with...but not conservative.
i hate PC over the top crap also but i´m not a conservative in any sense of the word...
if i had to choose a funny conservative guy i´d go with Ron White....i might not agree with his political stances....but the guy is funny as hell...
You laugh with a comic, not at one.
Byzantine Prince
09-04-2005, 22:42
Yeah she should get a show on comedy central to balance out John Stewart. Only good conservative show on that network is South Park.
Jon Stewart makes sense, that's what makes him funny. He makes too much sense, it's amazing that he's only a "fake" news man.
Ann coulter spouts lies and platitudes all over the place in this uncotrollable way, it's nowhere near as witty or *true* as Jon Stewart.
And no South Park is not conservative, it's a mix. Lebertarian I think it's called, you should know Gawain, you claim to be one.
I guess her and the papignion wearing guy are supposed to be funny because they are offensive and soooo over the top. Where is my freaken award for funniest member then?!?!?! :laugh2:
Seriously, I should be pretty funny to you guys. I'm sure some of you LMAO at some of my statements, but all you do is condemn me.
AntiochusIII
09-04-2005, 22:44
Seriously, I should be pretty funny to you guys. I'm sure some of you LMAO at some of my statements, but all you do is condemn me.It's called prejudice. ~;)
They can't accept you as funny as long as you're not one of them.
South Park is funny. Ron White is funny (have you ever taken a crap so big your pants fit better?). Bill Hicks was funny (best comedian ever, if you can find one of his 4 CD's - buy it). Jon Stewart is funny. Even Rush Limbaugh is funny - occasionally, though not often (He was funnier when he was still addicted to oxycontin ~D). They are all entertainers who use humor to comment on social and political issues. They don't claim to be anything else, even Limbaugh (although his Dittoheads don't get that part).
Ann Coulter, or Andy or whatever, is just sad and pathetic. She isn't a satirist. She isn't a comedian. She doesn't bill herself as such. She isn't presented as an entertainer. She's presented as a right-wing pundit who "knows" something. She's presented as an expert commentator on issues. She spouts nonsense as the truth, and the gullible eat it up.
Seamus Fermanagh
09-04-2005, 23:36
You laugh with a comic, not at one.
Incorrect:
The Stooges, Harpo, Emmett Kelly, Laurel and Hardy, and Buster Keaton all run counter to your point.
Drama is when granny's wheelchair rolls wildly to the edge of the cliff and just misses going over -- in comedy she drops.
~:)
Seamus
PanzerJaeger
09-05-2005, 01:09
Lol, dont you lefties see that you're just playing her game?
The more you work yourself into a frenzy and feel the need to proclaim her "unfunny", the funnier it is to me and Gawain and other conservatives.
You guys get in such a mood whenever Coulter is mentioned, and thats just what she sets out to do. ~D
We conservatives are just laughing at how serious you take some powerless woman who says outrageous things. Its almost like youre intimidated or something. :laugh4:
Strike For The South
09-05-2005, 02:22
Powerless PJ you know thats bull shes a poster child for the "stupid fat american" she may not carry much power politicly but shes a bad image and by god she is not a comedian and comes off like a spoiled brat every time some one refutes one of her many dumb and zealous points
Byzantine Prince
09-05-2005, 02:26
Lol, dont you lefties see that you're just playing her game?
The more you work yourself into a frenzy and feel the need to proclaim her "unfunny", the funnier it is to me and Gawain and other conservatives.
You guys get in such a mood whenever Coulter is mentioned, and thats just what she sets out to do. ~D
We conservatives are just laughing at how serious you take some powerless woman who says outrageous things. Its almost like youre intimidated or something. :laugh4:
"We conservatives", eh? What are you some kind of special breed of human, or are you somekind of ideologists? As far as I can see Bush can be just as stupid and offensive as Coulter. Is he a joke to you conservatives as well? ~;)
PanzerJaeger
09-05-2005, 02:54
Powerless PJ you know thats bull
Youre the only one who seems to think she has any sway with anyone. Who are all these people she commands? ~:confused:
"We conservatives", eh? What are you some kind of special breed of human, or are you somekind of ideologists? As far as I can see Bush can be just as stupid and offensive as Coulter. Is he a joke to you conservatives as well?
Your inability to make a post without attempting to insult her is quite telling. Theres nothig to be afraid of, no one but anxious libs - and Strike - take her seriously down here. ~;)
Gawain of Orkeny
09-05-2005, 02:57
As far as I can see Bush can be just as stupid and offensive as Coulter.
Then I suggest you go see an optomitrist.
"We conservatives", eh? What are you some kind of special breed of human, or are you somekind of ideologists?
He identified than as those who think like himself and I. Ill not speak fotr Panzer but yes I have a conservative idealogy as do most members of the Conservtive club I believe. Thats what seperates from liberals. Were proud of our ideaology.
Is he a joke to you conservatives as well?
Hes made me laugh on more than one occassion.
Seriously, I should be pretty funny to you guys. I'm sure some of you LMAO at some of my statements, but all you do is condemn me.
Yeah but to ourselves and in our pms we are still laughing our a$$es off. ~D
AntiochusIII
09-05-2005, 03:09
Then I suggest you go see an optomitrist.Who?
Thats what seperates from liberals. Were proud of our ideaology.Hmm.. I see, your pride is great, just like our president George W. Bush's. May I remind you that pride is a double-edged sword, and that right now, that pride, especially that of the president's, is cutting and harming everyone and everything but the real enemy?
Hes made me laugh on more than one occassion.So you also think he's absolutely ridiculous on more than one occasion. Good to know. ~;)
PanzerJaeger
09-05-2005, 03:23
We're in for a long struggle, and I think Texans understand that. And so do Americans.
Hehe, I hadnt heard that one... classic Texan attitude. ~D
Hes made me laugh on more than one occassion.
Bush has made me laugh too, far more than Ann Coulter.
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," he said. "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." Washington, D.C. 08.05.04
So true, maybe it was a Freudian slip? He's very good at those little slips of the tongue that ring more true than what he probably meant to say. Like this:
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
Or how about his mangling of common expressions?
"Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will be allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill at the whim of a hat." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 17, 2004
I knew Bush liked getting campaign funds from Ob/Gyn's, but I didn't realize he thinks many of them really "love" their work!
"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country." --George W. Bush, Sept. 6, 2004, Poplar Bluff, Mo.
English as a second language - for Bush, anyway:
"I want to thank you for the importance that you've shown for education and literacy." --G.W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 13, 2005
What?
One of my personal favorites:
"Perhaps the biggest problem is that we have passed children from grade to grade, year after year, and those -- child hadn't learned the basics of reading and math." --Washington, D.C., Jan. 8, 2003
Apparently, it wasn't just recently that children were being passed from grade to grade without learning the basics, such as how to use the plural form of words like child. Where did this goober go to school?
And how can we forget the funniest and most jaw-droppingly ignorant speech ever given by our glorious leader?
Fool me once mp3 (http://www.bushwatch.net/ourfearlessleader.mp3)
Yes, he's much funnier than Ann Coulter. And much scarier.
Byzantine Prince
09-05-2005, 03:36
Haha. I didn't know how to reply to Gawain for saying that I need to see the optometrist, because frankly, I think it's pretty obvious to everyone BUT conservatives how stupid George Bush really is. I mean this guy is like the Homer Simpson of American politics. The complete caricature of a dumbass.
Gawain; Panzer; rebuttle?
Oh and one more thing, if people take Bush seriously, I'm absolutely convinced they take Coulter seriously as well. She's just more arrogant in her rhetoric.
PanzerJaeger
09-05-2005, 04:16
Gawain; Panzer; rebuttle?
Well lets see. He graduated from Yale, owned his own baseball team, and is president of the worlds greatest superpower. What have you done with your life BP. ~;)
Some of the best minds in human history werent good public speakers, and some of the worst minds in human history were.. dont judge a book by its cover.
AntiochusIII
09-05-2005, 04:18
Bush...some of the best minds in human history?
Oh, I'm fainting! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Edit: Oh well, politicians are (on both sides) among the worst of us anyway. This can you agree, Panzer?
PanzerJaeger
09-05-2005, 04:33
Nobody but you said he was a genius.
If rich influential daddies got you elected president, how come the only other father-son presidential duo was in the late 1700s or early 1800s?
Bush Sr. isnt even that influencial. He was a one term president that split the republican party and allowed Clinton in. I personally believe he was a much better president than the current Bush, or Clinton, but many dont think very highly of him.
Soulforged
09-05-2005, 04:36
I know little of internal policies of USA, but has Bush done something good, or marvelous? I think that this is what really serves to judge him, the things he may say in public doesn't talk about the politician in all the picture, it just show us the demagoge.
Byzantine Prince
09-05-2005, 04:42
Well lets see. He graduated from Yale, owned his own baseball team, and is president of the worlds greatest superpower. What have you done with your life BP. ~;)
So in your eyes success in life shows merit? Now who's being naive. :rollseyes:
I could make the same argument about Stalin.
Some of the best minds in human history werent good public speakers, and some of the worst minds in human history were.. dont judge a book by its cover.
That's what politicians DO. The speak! If you can't even speak properly or are too incompetent to do so, why would anyone that knows that vote for you!?!?
No I'm not judging the book by it's cover. Clinton was better looking then Bush anyways. ~D
Kerry on the other hand... hmmm... not so much.
Red Harvest
09-05-2005, 04:45
Powerless PJ you know thats bull shes a poster child for the "stupid fat american" she may not carry much power politicly but shes a bad image and by god she is not a comedian and comes off like a spoiled brat every time some one refutes one of her many dumb and zealous points
I think I read in a thread somewhere that you are still quite young, but if so, you are quite wise for your age. Well said. :bow:
I had thought about commenting earlier in this thread, but enjoyed watching folks blow off some light hearted steam. I've gotta say, Jon Stewart rocks. While his emphasis is hard on the conservatives, he does direct his fire both ways. This is not O'Reilly, or Limbaugh. Most importantly, he is funny. And I get a kick out of the "Redneck" comics on Comedy Central too...
Red Harvest
09-05-2005, 04:51
Well lets see. He graduated from Yale
It's not that difficult actually. I know some Yale grads. Don't confuse money and influence for intelligence.
, owned his own baseball team,
How exactly did he get the money for that? Which of his previous business failures provided the cash? Wasn't he mainly a "face" for the real money?
and is president of the worlds greatest superpower.
It's amazing what family connections will do compared to talent. Look at the Taft family for example...
Strike For The South
09-05-2005, 04:53
I think I read in a thread somewhere that you are still quite young, but if so, you are quite wise for your age. Well said. :bow:
And from a senior member :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: ~D
Look at the Taft family for example...
or the kenedys
the roosevelts
the adams
the rockafellers
As for owning his own baseball team, well...
He had a minority stake in the team, which he purchased with borrowed money. He was sort of a mascot, being named managing partner in spite of having one of the smallest financial stakes in the company. They used him for his name and stuck him in the front office so he could go to games and pick his nose on camera (don't make me dig up that lovely video ~D ) When the team was sold to Texas billionaire Tom Hicks, Bush made his first profit - ever - in business. In spite of having been on the board of directors or president of 5 previous companies - all of which failed. ~D
What did Hicks get out of buying the team for inflated prices, while Bush was governor, making Bush a multi-millionaire while he was governor? Not much, except massive tax concessions. But he'd already been getting richer. When Dubya became governor, Hicks who was one of his leading campaign contributers was appointed to run UTIMCO, the University of Texas Investment Management Company which was formerly called the Permanent University Fund. It is the monetary fund established by the state to partially fund the state universities. The fund gets its money from the Permian basin oil field deposits which just happen to lie under land granted to the PUF/UTIMCO by the state legislature. As chairman of UTIMCO. Hicks was in charge of deciding who received lucrative investment contracts from the fund - and proceeded to dole them out to all of his rich buddies and Bush's campaign contributors, like the guy who loaned Bush the money to buy his stake in the team in the first place. It's all one big happy circle of cronyism and slurping at the public trough. ~D When the Houston Chronicle newspaper exposed the dirty laundry at UTIMCO in 1999, Hicks had to resign. ~:)
PanzerJaeger
09-05-2005, 05:08
So in your eyes success in life shows merit? Now who's being naive. :rollseyes:
I could make the same argument about Stalin.
No, you really couldnt. Stalin gained his success through killing other people.
That's what politicians DO. The speak! If you can't even speak properly or are too incompetent to do so, why would anyone that knows that vote for you!?!?
Because smart people realize public speaking ability does not denote intelligence.
Bush Sr. was in charge of the CIA during some of it's more prolific activities. He has alot of influence.
Last time I checked the CIA does not elect presidents.. unless you buy into some of the Kennedy conspiracy theories.
Oh and Red, if its so easy to do what GW has done, why are you here posting on this forum instead of addressing the Senate?
Strike For The South
09-05-2005, 05:12
Last time I checked the CIA does not elect presidents.. unless you buy into some of the Kennedy conspiracy theories.
The point is his dad had powerful friends in powerful places that can be very helpful
Oh and Red, if its so easy to do what GW has done, why are you here posting on this forum instead of addressing the Senate
What does that have to do with anything the senate elects the presdinit just as much as the cia does face it pj GW would still be drilling for oil in odessa if he didnt have a rich daddy
Red Harvest
09-05-2005, 05:25
Oh and Red, if its so easy to do what GW has done, why are you here posting on this forum instead of addressing the Senate?
Couple of reasons:
1. I've got more ethics than that, a terrible affliction that I'm finding might be incurable. :no: If I could let my ethics go I could become wealthy off of what I find personally unethical, but apparently legal.
2. I don't have the family connections. Born poor and white, haven't had any coat tails to ride, nor much of a support network. Doing better than any of my ancestors though, so I'm satisfied. ~;)
3. I don't aspire to it. See #1. I'm what you might call a "reluctant leader" I take up leadership only when there is a crisis or I find that I'm the best suited for a critical task. I'm there when needed, advising otherwise. Power doesn't turn me on I guess.
PanzerJaeger
09-05-2005, 05:30
What does that have to do with anything the senate elects the presdinit just as much as the cia does face it pj GW would still be drilling for oil in odessa if he didnt have a rich daddy
That is such a ridiculous thing to say. There are plenty of people with fathers who are much richer than GHWB who cannot make it in politics. Youre acting as if youre trying to compensate for the fact that you wont be as successful as GWB by saying its all his father's doing.
Not even Reagan would have had the clout to get his son elected if he didnt have some initiative and intelligence of his own. A measely one term president whose own party abandoned him would have a hard time masterminding GWB's election victories.
Or, maybe the powers that be within the Republican party found GHWB much too independent and intelligent for their liking and decided that using a convenient dolt with the same last name for recognition would really be better. Enter the man I like to call... a sock puppet in a president suit. ~;)
Strike For The South
09-05-2005, 05:38
That is such a ridiculous thing to say. There are plenty of people with fathers who are much richer than GHWB who cannot make it in politics. Youre acting as if youre trying to compensate for the fact that you wont be as successful as GWB by saying its all his father's doing.
Not even Reagan would have had the clout to get his son elected if he didnt have some initiative and intelligence of his own. A measely one term president whose own party abandoned him would have a hard time masterminding GWB's election victories.
Yes im said because my daddy isn't rich :embarassed: you've found me out PJ I have something agisant rich people ~:handball: don't get me wrong bush has done some great things but saying he'd be in the oval office without his dad is insane
Byzantine Prince
09-05-2005, 06:03
YAY! Back on topic.
https://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6586/ann9al.jpg
It's too bad she's so funny or I would definetly fall in love. ~;)
PanzerJaeger
09-05-2005, 06:04
Or, maybe the powers that be within the Republican party found GHWB much too independent and intelligent for their liking and decided that using a convenient dolt with the same last name for recognition would really be better. Enter the man I like to call... a sock puppet in a president suit.
Dont we need a campfire if we're going share vast right wing conspiracy theories? :rolleyes2:
Soulforged
09-05-2005, 06:19
Dont we need a campfire if we're going share vast right wing conspiracy theories? :rolleyes2:
Why? It's very possible and probable. The powerful organizations always stick their noses in everything, since i've use of reason, or you think that the USA government is immune to it?
Red Harvest
09-05-2005, 06:34
Dubya was pre-ordained as the GOP Presidential nominee when he ran for Texas governor. It was a done deal in the GOP. The governorship was a grooming process. It isn't that the people selected a leader, one was selected for them by the leadership. Yes, I remember this early on in the governor campaign and even before.
Adrian II
09-05-2005, 07:43
Sorry Canada (http://gprime.net/video.php/foxoncanada)You gotta love Ann Coulter. After a good spanking I bet she makes great pancakes for breakfast.
Tribesman
09-05-2005, 07:53
If Coulter is supposed to be a comedy act , does that mean that William Joyce was really hanged because the audience didn't like his jokes ?
Well lets see. He graduated from Yale, owned his own baseball team, and is president of the worlds greatest superpower. What have you done with your life BP. ~;)
Some of the best minds in human history werent good public speakers, and some of the worst minds in human history were.. dont judge a book by its cover.
i think robin williams explained it better....
You know, you look at George W. and you realize some men are born great, some
achieve greatness, and some get it as a graduation gift
Polls have been done from people that watch FOX news and it shows they think that Iraq has WMD's, and that Saddam Hussein caused 9/11.
actually, i saw a poll like that mentioned on CNN, and it was not just for people who watch Fox News. the poll results stated something to the effect that over 80% of Americans believe that Saddam was directly responsible for 9/11. this merely reflects the reality that most people are stupid. whether they watch Fox News or not has no bearing on this.
as for everyone saying Ann is a satirist, that's a ludcrous comment. she's not a satirist. i'm sure anyone who applies some common sense will be able to come to that conclusion that she really believes everything she says.
Ironside
09-05-2005, 12:47
What evidence shows that she's a satirist except her statements?
I mean if she's a satirist, then the she's funny because of the responses she create, not by herself. That's quite advance humour.
And why do I think that most people will miss that... War of the Worlds hysteria (http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/wotw.html)
She can be a profitéer though (that mean that she have learned that those statements gives her money, no more, no less).
Meneldil
09-05-2005, 13:27
Actually, as someone stated, if she pretend to be a satirist by acting as a stupid die hard right wing racist fanatic biggot (notice the use of so many buzz words), then she's probably a left wing extremist trying to make fun of the conservatives.
Ja'chyra
09-05-2005, 14:03
I wouldn't, munter. ~:eek:
http://www.bobonit.com/html/ann_coultersmall_scary1.gif
Pinko...liberal..leftists..traitors...grrrrrr
By rights, anyone who calls themselves an American should be opposed to this slow corporate takeover of America, but I think politics were the first to fall. Ever since FDR polarized business (and it might have even been earlier than that) with the socialistic, but necesarry, New Deal; the (dare I say it) Fascist-leaning Corporate America has saught to use the Republican Party. Although I daresay either party is the same wolf in different clothes these days.
Actually the beginning of the end came during the Civil War when the Union, and thus the Republican party, had to make a marriage of convenience with business to support the war. Concessions were made to business which sowed the seeds of what we have today.
The nail in the coffin for "We the people" rather than "we the corporations" came in 1886, with a little known Supreme Court decision in the case of Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad Company (118 U.S. 394). Now notice, those of you who are reading this and who like to use the argument against Roe v. Wade that since the Constitution makes no mention of a right to privacy, then there is no right to privacy, that the Constitution makes no mention of corporations and their rights either. However, as a result of the above decision, corporations were granted a status of personhood thus the protections of the 14th Amendment. They had no such rights prior to this decision and subsequent ones, having only privileges granted by the various states, not legal and binding Contitutional rights.
The best part about the whole court decision above is that the court deliberately did not decide the issue of corporate rights in their decision. The Chief Justice, Morris Remick Waite, used to be a lawyer for the railroads. The court reporter and clerk, used to be a railroad president! so what happened? How did the legal fiction of corporate personhood enter into law? Just before stating the court's decision in the case, Chief Justice Waite announced - not as a part of the courts decision, by the way - that "The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a state to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are of the opinion that it does.” Waite then proceeded to deliver the court's decision. A decision which did not in any way address the issue of the 14th Amendment and corporate personhood. And yet, the clerk (the guy who used to be a railroad president) included Waite's non-decision statement in the record of the decision. Thus, corporations were granted personhood and not even by the court. After that, the preface to that decision began to be quoted in numerous other cases as corporations pressed the advantage.
There's a very nice description of the whole fiasco here: http://www.thomhartmann.com/theft.shtml
Strike For The South
09-05-2005, 19:41
Actually the beginning of the end came during the Civil War when the Union, and thus the Republican party, had to make a marriage of convenience with business to support the war. Concessions were made to business which sowed the seeds of what we have today.
I knew it was there fault see what happens :furious3:
PanzerJaeger
09-05-2005, 20:28
By rights, anyone who calls themselves an American should be opposed to this slow corporate takeover of America, but I think politics were the first to fall. Ever since FDR polarized business (and it might have even been earlier than that) with the socialistic, but necesarry, New Deal; the (dare I say it) Fascist-leaning Corporate America has saught to use the Republican Party. Although I daresay either party is the same wolf in different clothes these days.
There is no need to have such a hatred of the favorable business environment in America. If that did not exist, you probably wouldnt have the computer you are visiting this site on.
People who scream about the "evil corporations" are short-sighted to say the least. If it werent for the business community in America, the country would be a shell of what it is today.
But thats ok. Continue to scream on your corporation-made computers, then get in your corporation-made car and drive to starbux to drink your corporation-made coffee with other kindrid spirits. ~D
Ironside
09-05-2005, 21:14
There is no need to have such a hatred of the favorable business environment in America. If that did not exist, you probably wouldnt have the computer you are visiting this site on.
People who scream about the "evil corporations" are short-sighted to say the least. If it werent for the business community in America, the country would be a shell of what it is today.
But thats ok. Continue to scream on your corporation-made computers, then get in your corporation-made car and drive to starbux to drink your corporation-made coffee with other kindrid spirits. ~D
How much did Enron cost the US (AKA the taxpayers)? ~D
Thought I needed to balance your message. ~;)
Strike For The South
09-05-2005, 22:06
Rubbish. Corporations can exist and thrive without exploiting and cheating their own countrymen.
~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:
Red Harvest
09-05-2005, 22:42
Rubbish. Corporations can exist and thrive without exploiting and cheating their own countrymen.
Yep, even Herbert Hoover who was a wealthy industrialist when he became president felt there were problems. While he believed in capitalism, he said, "The trouble with capitalism is the capitalists, they're too damn greedy." He did do some regulation for the perceived public good, but he preferred non-intervention. His big mistake was in believing volunteerism would overcome the Depression, when unprecedented government intervention was needed.
Those that cheat and exploit should face the wrath of their countrymen.
Red Harvest
09-05-2005, 22:47
People who scream about the "evil corporations" are short-sighted to say the least. If it werent for the business community in America, the country would be a shell of what it is today.
Less shortsigthed than the corporate leaders of today it would seem. They don't seem to have vision more than about a year forward.
But thats ok. Continue to scream on your corporation-made computers, then get in your corporation-made car and drive to starbux to drink your corporation-made coffee with other kindrid spirits. ~D
That's funny, where was I when they started giving it all away for free? Seems I paid for it. (Except for Starbux, no thanks, never bought a single drop.) My vehicles are Japanese made, better quality engineering--long term vs. short. Had enough of American vehicles when I was younger, wanted something reliable.
Incorrect:
The Stooges, Harpo, Emmett Kelly, Laurel and Hardy, and Buster Keaton all run counter to your point.
Drama is when granny's wheelchair rolls wildly to the edge of the cliff and just misses going over -- in comedy she drops.
~:)
Seamus
I was talking about comics, not clowns.
Interestingly during the discussions over the what became the Bill of Rights, Jefferson and Madison proposed an 11th Amendment which would have made the Bill of Rights the first 11, instead of the first 10 amendments. This 11th Amendment would have echoed restrictions already on the books in the states. It would have severly restricted corporations. Corporations would have been prohibited from owning other corporations. They would have been restricted in length, to just a single generation. They would have been specifically prohibited from attempting to influence the political process in any way. The founding fathers were very familiar with unscrupulous corporations. The actions of the British East India Company in influencing British politics and law and its monopolistic control over trade because of that influence led directly to the Boston Tea Party. The founding fathers weren't about to allow the same kind of thing to happen again in the new country they were creating. ~D
The 11th Amendment was defeated. Why? Because those considering it decided that it was redundant, with laws already on the books in all of the fledgling states. Really. That's the exact reason why the amendment was voted down. Within 100 years, every one of those state laws had been removed from the books, usually because of illegal lobbying by the railroads, which was even acknowledged as illegal when it happened! That didn't stop them from doing it. And so, by the time of Civil War, all of those laws were gone and the protections which Jefferson and Madison tried to enshrine in the much harder to change Constitution weren't there.
Funny thing about history, as Jorge Augustín Nicolás Ruiz de Santayana (George Santayan) observed, "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
canada and coulter both suck nuff said
coulter is a clown
canada is full of clowns
The whole idea of corporations being given the status of personhood under the 14th Amendment, after they had already lobbied the anti-corporate laws of the founding fathers into non-existence just rubs me raw.
It gets worse. In the same session, not long after the U.S. Supreme Court gave personhood to corporations in Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad Company, thus severely restricting the ability of the federal government to exercise control of corporations, they managed to screw it up further in another case. In Wabash, St. Louis & Pacific RR vs Illinois (118 U.S. 557, 1886) the court decided that states which attempted to regulate businesses involved in interstate commerce violated the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution which reserves such power to Congress.
So in two railroad cases, decided in the same year, with a Chief Justice who was an ex-railroad attorney and a clerk who was an ex-railroad president, the U.S. Supreme Court managed to severly restrict the power of both the federal and the state governments to regulate corporations and their behavior.
PanzerJaeger
09-06-2005, 02:36
Rubbish. Corporations can exist and thrive without exploiting and cheating their own countrymen.
You would prefer to be exploited and cheated by a local business? You mistake the nature of capitalism with corporations.. which is typical of the blind youthful hatred of the "evil corporations". There are bad people in all levels of life, corporations by nature are not bad.
A corporation in itself is nothing more than a business that has grown its costomer base large enough to expand itself.. theres nothing ominous in that.
You really need to do a lot more research into exactly what the business environment in America has done for this country in terms of standard of living, GDP, and all other measures of success. Would you have us living in the 17th century where quality control did not exist? Would you have us living in a communist country where they means of production is owned by the government and the standard of living is terrible?
All the way back to Rome the wealthy business people influenced the government. Thats just the nature of man. If you really feel the need to blame someone for America being the richest nation on earth ( ~:rolleyes: ), then blame yourself first - and then everyone else. We all live, work, and succeed in a corporate world.
If you are so anti-corporation, try not buying anything from corporations, or shut your anti-establishemnt for the hell of being anti-establishment mouth. ~:)
Strike For The South
09-06-2005, 02:40
coorperations are not inherntly bad and I love capitalism but what i dont like is being screwed over wether it be the little guy or the big guy Large coorparations have a huge say in american politics and they shouldnt our goverment shouldnt be there for the sake of serving a few men just becuase they can pony out the dough thats one of the main reasons the 2 party system blows as well
P.S Aelnic is like 45 so he isnt youthful he is wise ~D
Doing a little looking of my own, it would appear the current 11th amendment has something to do with lawsuits and whatnot.
Do you have any sources on this so-called Failed 11th Amendment to the bill of rights?
Most of my info comes from the wonderful book by Thom Hartmann, Unequal Protection:
The rise of corporate dominance and theft of human rights (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=EY7nxrqBRn&isbn=1579549551&itm=1).
There's a nice article he wrote on TomPaine.com here: http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7603
The letters between Madison and Jefferson discussing the Bill of Rights are readily available on the internet. Too many to list here.
One which might be harder to find is an essay by Madison called "Monopolies Perpetuities Corporations Ecclesiastical Endowments" (http://www.constitution.org/jm/18191213_monopolies.htm) which was not published in his lifetime; but which clearly marks his views on the sources of power which might corrupt the Constitution. He also has a great deal to say about religion and ecclesiastical authority in this essay. ~D
ICantSpellDawg
09-06-2005, 04:08
i didnt read any of the responses, but anne coulter's statements were irritating and childish. carlson was a bit more tongue in cheek and mildly amusing
KafirChobee
09-06-2005, 22:50
OK, I read or sped through the gist of this. From defining what is a clown vs true comedians, from editorialsts vs extemist ranters (include me in this one from time to time), from satirists vs spin doctors, even the 11th amendment and the coersion of corporate cronyism.
Now, will the real Ann Coulter please stand up:
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/search.php?author_name=Ann+Coulter
Funny stuff? Satire? Or just bigoted bs? The bimbo is a shrew, a right-wing hack, nothing more.
BTW, I think if one were to tell the creators of SouthPark they were delving out conservative opinions? They might stare back at them in awe for their spin on (of) their "satire". Loved the one on Michael Jackson, and their xmas special of the forest creatures savior. ~D
As for Ann? She just ain't funny, she twists in the wind trying to make the reader forget the point she intended to make. No doubt she finds herself hillarious, a real scream; but, the reality is she is just a very sad person with nothing really to say. She leaves me more confused, than angry. Let alone amused.
Take her spin on Kennedy (first article on the list), and the right to privacy (which she and like minded people propose doesnot exist as law). On the one hand she ridicules Ted for not telling us what he and his attorney spoke of after Chapaquidic (ms), while on the other is defending Bush43 and John Roberts' right to deny the senate the opinions Roberts wrote in cases for the government (Reagan and Bush41). Which, btw, are part of public domain - and were suppose to go to Reagan's or Daddy's librarys. Sorry, a person simply can not have things both ways. Ann, sees no problem in this or any of her ambiguities. She actually believes she has meaning, and that what she is writing has merit. Sorry, imo, she is simply another right-wing biased nut job.
Art Buchwald, was a satirist. Mark Twain, was a satirists (love his "Letters from Earth"), and Jon Stewart is one. As is Bill Maher. Coulter, simply is not.
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Seamus Fermanagh
09-07-2005, 01:41
Well...
With Coulter I have the option of skipping to another channel. Since I pretty well know exactly what she'll say at the outset as well as the mindless defensive response of the left-winger she's shellacing at that moment this is a pretty good time saver.
Seamus
Gawain of Orkeny
09-07-2005, 02:06
BTW, I think if one were to tell the creators of SouthPark they were delving out conservative opinions? They might stare back at them in awe for their spin on (of) their "satire".
The creator says so himself.
No matter if the South Park creators are conservative or not, atleast they are funny, unlike Ann Coulter.
As for capitalism... its sucks, its horrible but the alternatives are even worse.
Humans are greedy by nature, there for only a system based on greed can work; Capitalism.
As for Ann Coulter being a comedian... the only funny thing about that is the statement in it self; "Ann Coulter is a comedian". <- ~D
Or, it could just be the old crappy american humor making its all time low. ~;)
Couse face it, americans are not as funny as Britts or Scandinavians or Europeans as a whole... and never will be. Americans should be lucky we even laugh at them in pity, couse we do feel sorry for their undeveloped sence of humor.
Nha, just kidding, sort of, just trying out Ann Coulters methods.
Zharakov
09-07-2005, 22:11
As for capitalism... its sucks, its horrible but the alternatives are even worse.
Humans are greedy by nature, there for only a system based on greed can work; Capitalism.
You think Communisium is better then Capitalism? I lived through Communisim for 20 years... I pray to God no one will ever have too again...
Stalinism and communism are not the same. Because the Soviet Union claimed to be communist does not make it so; no more than the People's Republic of China or is a republic or the Democratic Republic of Congo was a democratic republic. ~:)
Soulforged
09-08-2005, 00:20
You think Communisium is better then Capitalism? I lived through Communisim for 20 years... I pray to God no one will ever have too again...
Well i live in capitalism and i don't see what is so great about it, it generates all the hunger. In any case true democracy and equality must be achieved in some way, capitalism is not the beast that will stay forever, as many one may think, it would end some day...i hope.
Soulforged
09-08-2005, 00:24
BTW, I think if one were to tell the creators of SouthPark they were delving out conservative opinions? They might stare back at them in awe for their spin on (of) their "satire". Loved the one on Michael Jackson, and their xmas special of the forest creatures savior. ~D Talking about South Park: a question totally out of topic, but does anyone knows how to get "The Aristocrat" version told by Cartman? He sais it so fast and with that voice i just get some parts... ~:confused:
Zharakov
09-08-2005, 00:41
Well i live in capitalism and i don't see what is so great about it, it generates all the hunger. In any case true democracy and equality must be achieved in some way, capitalism is not the beast that will stay forever, as many one may think, it would end some day...i hope.
So, you think I was treated equaly with the people in Moscow? I live in the middle of Siberia...
If Communisim promises equal treatment, then who gets the middle of Siberia? And who gets the Bosphorus sea front?
Or for you Americans, who gets the Florida coast, and who gets the Arizona Desert?
Soulforged
09-08-2005, 04:41
So, you think I was treated equaly with the people in Moscow? I live in the middle of Siberia...
If Communisim promises equal treatment, then who gets the middle of Siberia? And who gets the Bosphorus sea front?
Or for you Americans, who gets the Florida coast, and who gets the Arizona Desert?
I really don't see your point, with all the respect. The equal treatment is respect of the peoples not of the power sharing, that has to be absoulute and concentrated until real communism has been forced upon society, anyway the if we continue this discussion we'll get out of topic. Besides i never said that communism is the way to achieve real equality or democracy, though in teory it's, i just said that it has to be achieved sometime. I just was insulting capitalism and capitalist for what they represent, i really hate this system. :furious3:
Seamus Fermanagh
09-08-2005, 14:58
Or for you Americans, who gets the Florida coast, and who gets the Arizona Desert?
If you can earn the money, you can have either -- or both. We have people who love both of those climates by the way, its all a question of personal preference.
Seamus
You think Communisium is better then Capitalism? I lived through Communisim for 20 years... I pray to God no one will ever have too again...
Dude, I stated that the alternatives are worse...
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