Best (true) football player of all time...

[Soulforged]

This opinion has been asked to the world audience already and we all know who was elected (Maradona, if you didn't know it ~:) ), but a little fight is always good to warm up... ~;)

To me it's between di Stefano and Maradona, but Maradona gave us one world cup and that beatiful goal, the best of all times, an acronic space in time that will stay forever like a piece of the most precious art...

Let's here it.

[Strike For The South]

joe montana ~:cheers:

[Soulforged]

joe montana ~:cheers:

Who???? ~D

[Strike For The South]

Who???? ~D

played quarterback for the 49ers

[dessa14]

i really thought zidane was good.
anyway, SFS, he said real football, not crappy american sport.
it was heaps funny the other day, i was playing futsal and some american jokes thought that american football required more balls, so we took them on at futsal.
half of them were bitching about how dirty we were and calling for penalties, when we were just playing normally.
thanks,
dizzy

[Big_John]

there is no question. pele is the correct answer.

[Soulforged]

there is no question. pele is the correct answer.

Jajaja...yes there's a question that question is called Maradona. :duel:

[Del Arroyo]

If you ask me Maradona must be disqualified for sheer ass-monkeydom. Punching a World-Cup-winning goal in with your fist and then saying it was the hand of god is a little too much IMO.

That said I don't know that much about futbol except that Maradona is an ass and people throughout much of the world are NUTS over it (futbol).

DA

[Soulforged]

If you ask me Maradona must be disqualified for sheer ass-monkeydom. Punching a World-Cup-winning goal in with your fist and then saying it was the hand of god is a little too much IMO.

That said I don't know that much about futbol except that Maradona is an ass and people throughout much of the world are NUTS over it (futbol).

DA

Well it would be very good if you create a thread called rant against Maradona. Seriously Arroyo, what Maradona did is something common, all sports have dirty playing, but you know Maradona because he's overly to famous, there're worst things, please come on.... ~:grouphug:

[Del Arroyo]

Well it would be very good if you create a thread called rant against Maradona. Seriously Arroyo, what Maradona did is something common, all sports have dirty playing, but you know Maradona because he's overly to famous, there're worst things, please come on.... ~:grouphug:

Everything I know about futbol I learned from Mexicans, therefore I am biased ~;) and in the end I don't really care anyway ~D

I might create a separate thread called "rant against Maradona" if (a) I knew enough about Maradona to rant about him and (b) there were enough people in this forum who'd know what the hell I was talking about.

But I think there's about enough exposure here to Maradona-dom to support just about 1 thread for all Maradona-istic issues.

DA

[Kagemusha]

Pele is the best.

[Dutch_guy]

Pele and Cruyff

:balloon2:

[ah_dut]

there is no question. pele is the correct answer.
what he said ~;)

[Taurus]

Pele :bow:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Diego and Zizou.

With the narrowest of margins, I had to vote for El Diego.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Wheres George Best, Moore, Zico? ~D

Maradonna in his youth, Cruyff, Hagi, Zoff , Basten, Gullit, Zidane, Rooney( come on he will be), Pele, Eusebio, Dino Baggio, Matthias(sp), Socrates, Romario all greats. Theres too many to put down

[Mount Suribachi]

Much as I despise the little coke-snorting, gangster befriending, cheeseburger munching, obese, arrogant little cheat, I have to say Diego Maradonna.

His play in the 86 world cup was the best I have ever seen from a footballer, like he was from a different planet. Bobby Robson said something to the effect of "you could have taken Maradonna, and put him on any of the other 8 quarter finalists and they would have won the world cup" and he was right.


Arroyo, what Maradona did is something common, all sports have dirty playing, but you know Maradona because he's overly to famous, there're worst things, please come on....

Something common???? ~:eek: Please, list for me these common examples of players scoring goals in the World Cup quarter finals with their hands and claiming it was "The hand of God".

[caesar44]

joe montana ~:cheers:


:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Football , not "catch the ball , run and jump on people"

[caesar44]

Btw - PELE !!!

More than 1,200 goals in the highest levels of copetition
At the age of 18 , took 1st world cup with 2 goals in the final
At the age of 30 , took 2nd world cup with 1 goal in the final
Played in 4 world cups , 12 goals
Took his team , Santos to heaven - 6 Brazilian championships , 2 Libertadores and 1 Intercontinental cup
The King of football by any standard
A Genius in Blue and Yellow uinform
The first and the last
Did not left his team for Europan money
Was , and is , a great person

Maradona - second
The Dutch - third
Di stphano - 4th
Pushcash - 5th
The kizer - 6th
Platini - 7th
Massasa - 12,854,562th

[Oaty]

John Elway

As far as Euoropean football, no idea I don't keep up to date on that.

[Meneldil]

I faithfully hate football, but I have to admit that watching Zidane playing with a ball is really enjoyable.

[ShadesPanther]

Pele and Cruyff
what he said

[TheSilverKnight]

played quarterback for the 49ers

Wrong thread man...we're not talking about American football... :dizzy2:

For me it's Maradona! ~D

[Soulforged]

[QUOTE=caesar44]Btw - PELE !!!

More than 1,200 goals in the highest levels of copetition
At the age of 18 , took 1st world cup with 2 goals in the final
At the age of 30 , took 2nd world cup with 1 goal in the final
Played in 4 world cups , 12 goals
Took his team , Santos to heaven - 6 Brazilian championships , 2 Libertadores and 1 Intercontinental cup
The King of football by any standard
A Genius in Blue and Yellow uinform
The first and the last
Did not left his team for Europan money
Was , and is , a great person

Non of this makes him the best and the 1200 goals is something invented, i think that he's counting the goals since he was 5 ~D ~D ~D ,*cough* no is serious.

Maradona could do with the ball things that are beyond any real standard.

PS: I've notice that many of you've hatred towards him... i really don't know why, he rose from poberty helped others and never said i'm the best player of the world, in any case Pele is arrogant (i remember him here in the tribute to Maradona saluting all the people with that condencedent actitude).

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Well I dont see any "true" football players on that list ~D So Ill go with Joe Montana on offense and Lawerence Taylor on Defence. ~;)

[ichi]

lol this is about soccer!?

[Zalmoxis]

Well I dont see any "true" football players on that list ~D So Ill go with Joe Montana on offense and Lawerence Taylor on Defence. ~;)
As said before, this is real football, not the american one.

[caesar44]

[QUOTE]

Non of this makes him the best and the 1200 goals is something invented, i think that he's counting the goals since he was 5 ~D ~D ~D ,*cough* no is serious.

Maradona could do with the ball things that are beyond any real standard.

PS: I've notice that many of you've hatred towards him... i really don't know why, he rose from poberty helped others and never said i'm the best player of the world, in any case Pele is arrogant (i remember him here in the tribute to Maradona saluting all the people with that condencedent actitude).


I would not expect from an Argentinian to say something else
Hey , Maradona is no. 2 , you should be happy ~D

[Soulforged]

[QUOTE=Soulforged]


I would not expect from an Argentinian to say something else
Hey , Maradona is no. 2 , you should be happy ~D

No i don't :mean: ~D Anyway i don't care, as i said the world population has already selected the best player. But i think that the opinion of the org is more important. ~D of course not.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

joe montana ~:cheers:
Never. John Elway. ~:cheers:

[Soulforged]

Something common???? ~:eek: Please, list for me these common examples of players scoring goals in the World Cup quarter finals with their hands and claiming it was "The hand of God".

I don't have an specific example, but there's lots of goals with hands, in offside, faults that are simulated, that's what am talking about. It seems that the british have a lot of hate ~;) , Maradona instead has lots of love. And he didn't claim that the goal was "The hand of God", it was some periodist, from here i think. Though some nutters here still call him God, i really don't care because i don't believe.

[Fabolous]

Tom Brady ~;)
For real Pele, he was incredible.

[Mouzafphaerre]

there is no question. pele is the correct answer.
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:yes:
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[Del Arroyo]

I don't have an specific example, but there's lots of goals with hands, in offside, faults that are simulated, that's what am talking about. It seems that the british have a lot of hate ~;) , Maradona instead has lots of love. And he didn't claim that the goal was "The hand of God", it was some periodist, from here i think. Though some nutters here still call him God, i really don't care because i don't believe.

It was right after the game he won with that goal. He had an interview on Mexican television. The interviewer was asking him-- "So, that goal you scored, that was a hand-goal, right? I mean, we all saw the replays, and you clearly punched it into the net."

Maradona said-- "No, no creo que lo meti con la mano. Pero, si fuera gol de mano, fue la mano de Dios."

Or-- "No, I don't believe I put it in with my hand. But, if it was a hand-goal, it was the hand of God."

Direct Maradona quote. So you really think this guy isn't an a-hole?

DA

[caesar44]

It was right after the game he won with that goal. He had an interview on Mexican television. The interviewer was asking him-- "So, that goal you scored, that was a hand-goal, right? I mean, we all saw the replays, and you clearly punched it into the net."

Maradona said-- "No, no creo que lo meti con la mano. Pero, si fuera gol de mano, fue la mano de Dios."

Or-- "No, I don't believe I put it in with my hand. But, if it was a hand-goal, it was the hand of God."

Direct Maradona quote. So you really think this guy isn't an a-hole?

DA


But he knew how to play football !

[English assassin]

Its Pele.

Take the two year old son test. Who would you want your two year old son to have as a footballing hero (No, not Stuart "Psycho" Pearce!). A gentleman footballer who is a fine ambassador for the game? Or a coked up little cheat who had to have his stomach stapled to keep him off the pies?

I really don't think Pele would have to apologise to Maradona even if you just looked at their footballing careers either.

Game over, and the full time score is Pele 1 Fat cheat 0

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

We can all agree Maradonna is a big cheating piece of whale blubber and the hand of god was wrong in most footie fans eyes (especially English ones) but his second goal for me just blew my mind and is one of finest goals ever. I still don't know why Read or butcher didn't at least cripple him with a bone cruching tackle but hey ho ~D

[caesar44]

Please tell us how England took the 1966 world cup ~D
as you know , the ball did not pass the line...that's football...

[the Count of Flanders]

It has to be Maradonna. Yes he is a fat drug abusing bastard but he was the greatest ever as well. In '86 Argentina had a very mediocre team, but they had Maradonna so they won. The Brazil national team had a great team to support Pele, Maradonna almost won the WC single handedly. ~;)

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Go Brett Favre!

[Mount Suribachi]

BTW, all those who voted Pele, did you ever see him play? I think most of you are going on reputation, rather than what you have seen with your own eyes.

I saw Maradonna in 86 and he was untouchable. But those 2 goals against England, the first was a handball, and the 2nd was an own-goal ~;) (watch the replays, its either Butcher or Fenwick who poke it past Shilton)

And how did Lineker manage to miss that open goal in the last minute that would've made it 2-2? To this day I'll never figure that one out :dizzy2:

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Maradona was a flame going downhill after the '86, which I did watch on the TV. Pele, also I saw on the TV and I think read bits of bio at school (at the English classes), was consistent all throughut his carreer.
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[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Yeah Lineker should have buried it. Barnes was amazing in that game, changed the game for us.

I think to see the cheer cheek and skill of Pele see Mexico '70. The dummy he does against Uruguay i think was just jaw dropping. He also made a chip against Czechoslovakia i think which was insane as well. He did something else which was class as well but i can't think of it.

I remember watching England '66 highlights and players were just kicking the poor fella all over the job and injurying him. They couldn't deal with him , so they just near crippled him( I'm sure it was Portugal, known as the Butchers after literally kicking him off the park) I was just glad to see him return to show the world how ahead he was of everyone in Mexico four years later.

He said "I was born for soccer like Beethoven was born to perform Music" Arrogant and great. You have to respect him.

[Soulforged]

It was right after the game he won with that goal. He had an interview on Mexican television. The interviewer was asking him-- "So, that goal you scored, that was a hand-goal, right? I mean, we all saw the replays, and you clearly punched it into the net."

Maradona said-- "No, no creo que lo meti con la mano. Pero, si fuera gol de mano, fue la mano de Dios."

Or-- "No, I don't believe I put it in with my hand. But, if it was a hand-goal, it was the hand of God."

Direct Maradona quote. So you really think this guy isn't an a-hole?

DA

Well this is really pissing my off, you don't know him, he helped a lot of people here did everything for the team, and said that because he believe a lot in God, not because he believe that he was God, but it means that God was on Argentina's side. I've a long list of real assgholes, but it wouldn't fit here so i'll not put it. Btw i didn't remember that, my fault.

[Soulforged]

BTW, all those who voted Pele, did you ever see him play? I think most of you are going on reputation, rather than what you have seen with your own eyes.

I saw Maradonna in 86 and he was untouchable. But those 2 goals against England, the first was a handball, and the 2nd was an own-goal ~;) (watch the replays, its either Butcher or Fenwick who poke it past Shilton)

And how did Lineker manage to miss that open goal in the last minute that would've made it 2-2? To this day I'll never figure that one out :dizzy2:

~:cheers:

And more everybody talks about the personal business of Maradona, that's for him to see, judge him by football, please he was the best, and maybe Zidane. It doesn't surprise me that almost all the british are against him attacking his personal life because they don't have anything else to say. He didn't was a cheater (and Pele a gentlement, you've to see how he behaves around here, and talking bout personal business: it's rumored that Pele sosteined sexual relationships with a minor...) the thing is that you cannot see what he does because of magics powers ~;) . But talking about cheaters, why we don't review the World Cup of '66, the british running out of real football begun to do unethical things like expulssion of Ratín, sure many people felt humiliated when him sitted on the red carpet...

[dessa14]

england have always been dirty when it comes to sports, just look at the 30s ashes series (yes it might be cricket but it is related), they came out and bowled nothing but bodyline bouncers, that are impossible to hit (i know coz i've played cricket with nothing but bouncers bowled) and they won coz of their dirtyness and there gonna do it again with the ashes in england this year.
thanks,
dizzy

[English assassin]

Please tell us how England took the 1966 world cup
as you know , the ball did not pass the line...that's football...

Um, and the winning margin was...? One goal was it? Besides even if the third of the four goals was not over the line, which I don't agree, its one thing for the ref to make an honest mistake, its another to suddenly start playing basketball.


they won coz of their dirtyness and there gonna do it again with the ashes in England this year. thanks,

Mmm, pile it on, all these Ozzie sour grapes and excuses are just making the taste of ashes victory sweeter.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

The south american and central teams are dirty as well, alot more than England ever were. Infact i don't remember many dirty English players, maybe in the seventies and early eighties. Nineties? I can't think of many, maybe david batty who was a legend in my eyes( apart from missing a vital penalty against Argentina) and that idiot vinny jones who to my knowledge never played for England.

Watch the Mexico match vs USA from 2002 Japan/Korea and see how Cobi Jones got the bag knocked out him for the majority of the match by some of the worst fouling i have ever seen or the Brazilian leonardo elbow on an american player at USA 94 which nearly takes his head off his shoulders

[Tricon]

Franz Beckenbauer (hey, spell it right if your doing a poll) or Pele.
I haven't seen so much footage of Pele playing... but everybody keeps insisting he is the best, so there has to be some merrit to it.
Beckenbauer for his"lifetime achievement" for becoming a world champion as a player (74) and as a trainer (90).
Hugo Sanchez and Juergen Kliensmann get honorary votes from me.

[Soulforged]

Franz Beckenbauer (hey, spell it right if your doing a poll) or Pele.
I haven't seen so much footage of Pele playing... but everybody keeps insisting he is the best, so there has to be some merrit to it.
Beckenbauer for his"lifetime achievement" for becoming a world champion as a player (74) and as a trainer (90).
Hugo Sanchez and Juergen Kliensmann get honorary votes from me.

Sorry man ~:cheers: . Can i change the spelling on the poll?
If you see Pele playing and put it before Maradona he can have the numbers but Maradona has the magic. Though i'll agree with you in that Beckenabuer was the best defender of all time. It seems that everybody is taking it from the side of numbers, i really don't need that opinion because it's wrote on books, what i need is the best individual player, for technique and skill in his possition, let's also remember that those numbers are achieved with a team, so they don't say so much of the player, further more, the 3 World Cups that Pele won, wasn't his making, the teams of Brazil were really amazing, many players of those teams deserved to be on this list, but the options only go to 30.

The Blind King of Bohemia: Oh yes the anglosaxons are soooooooo good, and are such gentlements, i forgot it :dizzy2: .

[caesar44]

[QUOTE=English assassin]Um, and the winning margin was...? One goal was it? Besides even if the third of the four goals was not over the line, which I don't agree, its one thing for the ref to make an honest mistake, its another to suddenly start playing basketball.

Are you serious ? If the ref had not call it , do you sure that England could scored the 4th , how can you know that ? it was 2:2 at the time and even if England scored 18 goals after the mistake , it was still 2:2 and an open match .
Again , England took the 1966 by a ref mistake and lost it in 1986 by another ref mistake - that is football ! Now maradona ? He and all the Argentinians are sleeping very good since than , ask them ~D ~D

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

The Blind King of Bohemia: Oh yes the anglosaxons are soooooooo good, and are such gentlements, i forgot it .

What are you on about mate? :coffeenews:

I'm not saying England are angels when it comes to the beautiful game but there are far worse teams for fouling , cheating and other unsporting behaviour

[Soulforged]

What are you on about mate? :coffeenews:

I'm not saying England are angels when it comes to the beautiful game but there are far worse teams for fouling , cheating and other unsporting behaviour

:no: well i hoped some apologies, you know, since you people are better gentlements... ~;)

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Sorry mate you have totally lost me ~D

[drone]

This looks like the appropriate time to insert this picture in this thread:

http://www.fotbolti.net/gullkorn/mynds/27s.jpg


Edit->For my fellow Americans, and others too young to remember, this famous pic shows renowned hardman (and now actor) Vinnie Jones "marking" Paul Gascoigne (at the time, of Wimbledon and Newcastle United respectively, IIRC). If Gascoigne hadn't wasted his talent on beer and kebabs, he may have made the poll's list...

Edit #2 -> tried to import this pic from here first, it's a larger one but no indirects allowed.
http://www.weirdpicturearchive.com/pics/vinniejones.html

[caesar44]

:freak: :wreck: :fainting:

[LeftEyeNine]

Absolutely Maradona..

Pele was a "home" player. Show me what he could do when he was out of Brazil or without his Brazilian teammates..

Maradona is a player that could prove that it was the hand of the God but he already had the foot. Let me remind you of his goal dribbling past the British players all along half the pitch.

Once, when he was out of Argentina, when he was a Napoli commander, I saw him standing next to the corner flag, closed on by a player, trapped at the point. He suddenly lifted the ball with some trick and lobbed the towards the goal with the outside of his right foot. And guess what ? It was in..

Pele may be an excellent scorer but Maradona was a total attacker.

After reading some recent posts, I understand why USA is weak at soccer. :) Out of interest :)

[Mouzafphaerre]

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http://www.fotbolti.net/gullkorn/mynds/27s.jpg.
That.....hurts!.... :dizzy2:~:eek::skull:
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[Craterus]

Keegan.

What?

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
A correct poll, according the orgiquette, would be:

Pele
GAH!
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[Caius]

Holy necromancy Batman!

Maradona FTW

[Spartan198]

GAH???
Eh,I don't know anything about soccer or football. I just like to vote on polls and didn't wanna be left out.

[Quintus.JC]

As a fullback I’m a little bit disappointed that almost no defender were included here. But I doubt any of them stand a chance of winning anyway. As far as the poll is concerned it’s The Kaiser for me. By the way I’m a Liverpool fan. and AC Milan as well, the city where I discovered Football.

As for my all time dream team. The formation is the self-invented 3-2-3-2

1. GK. Lev Yashin (Soviet)
2.RB Carlos Alberto (Brazil) 4.CB Franco Baresi (Italy) 3.LB Paulo Maldini (Italy)
5. RB Lothar Matthäus (Germany) 6. LB Franz Beckenbauer [C] (Germany)
7.LW Pele (Brazil) 8. AM Zizo (Brazil) 10. RW Diego Maradoughnut (Argentina)
9. ST Gerd Müller (Germany) 17. ST Ferenc Puskás ( Hungary)

Subs:
111. GK Dino Zoff (Italy)
11. Alfredo Di Stéfano (Argentina)
88. Steven Gerrard (England)
12. Johan Cruijff (Holland)
23. Giacinto Facchetti (Italy)
18. Marco Van Basten (Holland)

[Rhyfelwyr]

Paddy Flannery.

[seireikhaan]

Best football player of all time... John Unitas.

[naut]

Whoa, old thread!

[Andres]

Thread necromancy :inquisitive:

Anyway, the correct answer is Diego Maradonna.

[Sarathos]

Its Thierry Henry be the way. Maradonna isn't that great, he is more hax than skill.

But if you don't vote for Zidane, you might just wake up with your chest crushed.

[ShadesPanther]

Where's Geordie Best?


Geordie Best drunk could beat everyone on that list ~:)

[LittleGrizzly]

Went for Puskas myself though im not completely sure hes the guy im thinking of... Maradonna was my second choice....

[naut]

Has to be Pele, then Best.

[atheotes]

As a fullback I’m a little bit disappointed that almost no defender were included here. But I doubt any of them stand a chance of winning anyway. As far as the poll is concerned it’s The Kaiser for me. By the way I’m a Liverpool fan. and AC Milan as well, the city where I discovered Football.

As for my all time dream team. The formation is the self-invented 3-2-3-2

1. GK. Lev Yashin (Soviet)
2.RB Carlos Alberto (Brazil) 4.CB Franco Baresi (Italy) 3.LB Paulo Maldini (Italy)
5. RB Lothar Matthäus (Germany) 6. LB Franz Beckenbauer [C] (Germany)
7.LW Pele (Brazil) 8. AM Zizo (Brazil) 10. RW Diego Maradoughnut (Argentina)
9. ST Gerd Müller (Germany) 17. ST Ferenc Puskás ( Hungary)

Subs:
111. GK Dino Zoff (Italy)
11. Alfredo Di Stéfano (Argentina)
88. Steven Gerrard (England)
12. Johan Cruijff (Holland)
23. Giacinto Facchetti (Italy)
18. Marco Van Basten (Holland)

Gerrard :inquisitive:
please tell me you included him bcos u r a liverpool fan :whip:

Anyway.... Maradona ftw!!!!:smash:

[ShadesPanther]

Gerrard :inquisitive:
please tell me you included him bcos u r a liverpool fan :whip:


Gerrard doesn't even deserve to be the boot boy to that team.

[drone]

The list is short of defenders, as usual it's full of the glory boys up front.

Flawed character, strong leader, great defender: Tony Adams (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHbGD1X_D9Y) . The Arse hasn't been the same since he left. :bow:

The omission of Bergkamp from the list has been duly noted. :inquisitive:

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Hate to say it but Maradona's second goal (the one that wasn't dirty... I think), is one of the best goals I've ever seen. Having said that, he is still a dirty cheating...

...enough said. Pele's statistics were incredible, but having never seen any vision of him playing I couldn't vote for him. I went for Van Basten.

With respect to Australians... you see the picture of Vinnie Jones and Paul Gascoigne above? On sunday, (playing in Perth), that happened to me (as well as being elbowed in the face (twice!!!!), punched in the throat, and studded on both ankles and my right knee), so youse have no right to call us dirty... :laugh4: