[B]Oppresed Welshmans club[/B]

[Strike For The South]

I just found out im half welsh so with my new swell of patriotism and my horrible attention span here it is a wlesh club post all things welsh here ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: :charge: :charge: :charge: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I'm pleased that your new-found heritage excites you. I would give you a hand on your voyage of discovery, but I live in the pansy urban south, and I'm not very Welsh at all, really.

I'm can't remember if we have any valleys lads here. Monkian's from Newport, though, so if you want to find out how to burn down buildings and joyride cars the Welsh way, he's your man. ~D

[Strike For The South]

Monkian's from Newport, though, so if you want to find out how to burn down buildings and joyride cars the Welsh way, he's your man. ~D

EXCELLENT

[Reverend Joe]

I'm half Irish, so I can't join your club, but I will support a fellow Celt. ~:cheers:

[Papewaio]

Half Celt ... Mum's Welsh.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Mostly Irish and Scottish, so I'll support my fellow Celts! A pint for all the welsh! ~:cheers:

[Horatius]

I just found out im half welsh so with my new swell of patriotism and my horrible attention span here it is a wlesh club post all things welsh here ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: :charge: :charge: :charge: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:

So 800 years of the England banging your heads against prison walls didn't teach you your lesson about no more Welsh Patriotism. ~;)

Well it seems like you need the English to give you another 800 years of oppression to get the Welshness out of you ~:cheers:

You did say to post "all things Welsh" :duel:

[Strike For The South]

Horatius must be destroyed he has spit one our fore fathers honor nothing good shall come of englands demise :charge: :charge: :charge:

[dessa14]

if you want to be welsh, you'll have to start spelling like a welshman, with lots of stupidity, it shouldn't be hard, you are an american :P
thanks,
dizzy

[GoreBag]

I'm only Welsh by extension (Wallace), but I'm pleased that a Welshman has begun to discover his roots. Have a pint on me, you transported Q-ball. ~:cheers:

[Lemur]

Luckily for me, there's an obsessive nut in my extended family who has created a geneology website that tracks our family back to the 1500s. In Wales. Who knew? And why does this guy have that kind of time on his hands?

Anyway, count me in as a mongrelized American/Welshman. My level of oppression varies by time of day.

[The_Doctor]

Do you know what "Welsh" means, I do, but do you?

Also, you are ruled by an inbred big eared fool. :ears: (no not Bush ~D )

[thrashaholic]

I'm half-Welsh too on my father's side. My family there is from Cross-Keys in the valleys in Gwent (the English bit of Wales). My other half is English, so I consider myself British, but I support Wales in all sports (especially against the english) and take a particular interest in mt Welsh heritage.

Welsh means foreigner in Old English I believe, but I've also heard it comes from the English swapping G for W in latin language words beginning in G, ie Wales/Galles or Guillaume/William etc.

[dessa14]

Do you know what "Welsh" means, I do, but do you?

Also, you are ruled by an inbred big eared fool. :ears: (no not Bush ~D )
by that do you mean our good old prince of wales.
i feel sorry for every commonwealth country (including mine) that, that guy is our heir apparent.
thanks,
dizzy

[King Henry V]

I will now take the role as the official enemy of the club:
SAXONS RULE! SAXONS RULE! SAXONS RULE! ~;)

[Ja'chyra]

I'm all Scottish ~:cool:

Incidentally, you just found out one of your parents is Welsh ~:confused: How did you miss that?

[lancelot]

I just found out im half welsh so with my new swell of patriotism and my horrible attention span here it is a wlesh club post all things welsh here

Do yourself a favour. Renounce this welsh-ness pronto. You'll thank me in the long run. Find your nice decent BRITISH ancestory. (make it up if you have to) ~;)

[The_Doctor]

Welsh/Wales means foreigner or slave in Anglo-Saxon.

[English assassin]

Incidentally, you just found out one of your parents is Welsh How did you miss that?

I was wondering that. Surely all the "look you, boyo" and breaking into Land of my Fathers at every opportunity was a bit of a give away? Or did you just think that's what they do in Idaho? :-)

[Strike For The South]

I'm all Scottish ~:cool:

Incidentally, you just found out one of your parents is Welsh ~:confused: How did you miss that?

Apathy whwn asked i just always said birtish but i was wrong so wrong

[lancelot]

British incorporates Welsh so technically its not that wrong. Besides British is better.

[Ja'chyra]

British incorporates Welsh so technically its not that wrong. Besides British is better.

Says who?

Scottish is best, then Irish, then Welsh, then British and lastly English, but I'd rather be french ~;)

[lancelot]

Says who?

Scottish is best, then Irish, then Welsh, then British and lastly English, but I'd rather be french ~;)

You're a very bad man! Spreading such lies.

If you'd rather be French then you are lost. :dizzy2:

And how are scots the best? Be careful or we'll invade you (again) and take away your skirt-wearing (sorry- kilt-wearing )-priviliges! ~;)

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I tend to call myself British too, although I'm really technically as Welsh as you can get-both sides of my family have lived here for generations, I was born in Wales, and I still live there. Still, I'm just not Welsh. I don't have an accent, and Cardiff isn't Welsh at all, considering it's the capital. They should probably move the capital to Mountain Ash, or somewhere like that, because the current one has nothing to do with Wales.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

I'm Welsh, woohoo, shocked?

Anyway, if you want to get down to it the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons were the only people known as "British" until the late 16th century when John Dee (himself being very fond of being of Welsh descent) began the current idea of "Britishness" as being of the Island of Britain rather than being the direct cultural descendants of the original Britons of classical times.

So for most of their history the English were never considered British yet the Welsh and Cornish (and yes, even the Bretons across the channel) were.

[Ja'chyra]

You're a very bad man! Spreading such lies.

If you'd rather be French then you are lost. :dizzy2:

And how are scots the best? Be careful or we'll invade you (again) and take away your skirt-wearing (sorry- kilt-wearing )-priviliges! ~;)

Hmm, I'll rephrase that, I'd rather be french than English.

Me and my English wife were on holiday for one of the England Germany games, which the reps were making a night out of and had cunningly titled it WW3, oh the wit :embarassed:

Anyway, when they tried to sell us tickets my wife firmly told her that we wouldn't be going, when the rep asked her why she replied "Because he'll (note the loving term) support Germany" to which there was a deathly silence, the resort was full of English ~D .

Anyway, back to the subject, don't make us burn York again, no wait, that's not much of a threat ~D

[English assassin]

Hmm, I'll rephrase that, I'd rather be french than English.

This would be blasphemy if were were merely discussing mustard, never mind a civilised person. Oh, wait. You are from Scotland... ;-)

I don't really have an issue with Scots supporting Germany/France/Poland/Iceland/whoeverthehell England happen to be playing at football, because to my mind it just underlines their own inability to put a half way competitive team on the field...

And to be honest English football fans get on my wick too.

Anyway, there's something about Taffy is a Taff that makes me thing he is a bona fide Welsh person, just a hunch I've got, so, are you going to give this new Texan Welsh person instruction on being Welsh?

[Ja'chyra]

This would be blasphemy if were were merely discussing mustard, never mind a civilised person. Oh, wait. You are from Scotland... ;-)

I don't really have an issue with Scots supporting Germany/France/Poland/Iceland/whoeverthehell England happen to be playing at football, because to my mind it just underlines their own inability to put a half way competitive team on the field...


We're getting better.

[ShadesPanther]

Anyway, back to the subject, don't make us burn York again, no wait, that's not much of a threat ~D

Actually The Scots never reached York. Damn Braveheart with battles thats should have bridges but doesn't and filmed in Ireland as well as many other stupid things (like painting their faces with an extinct plant (I think in britain)

Personally I'm happy being British and Irish. Silly Yanks give me free beer. ~D

PS> Northern Ireland will win tomorrow ~D

[King Henry V]

Anyway, back to the subject, don't make us burn York again, no wait, that's not much of a threat ~D^
:laugh4: That's kettle calling the pot black from someone who lives in Glasgow...

[Marcellus]

Well, I'm yet another person on this board who is half Welsh. Can't say I feel particularly oppressed, however.

[Duke Malcolm]

Well, I am Scottish and British, and would rather die than be called a Frenchman, as many of my Dundonian comrades would also atest to. My maternal Grandparents are from the Irish Republic, so technically I am half Irish, and both my parents are born in Glasgow, so technically I am Glaswegian, but would admit to neither of them and remain an Scottish/British Dundonian.

I would advise concealing your Welsh-ness, otherwise you might get people talking to you in the damned funniest accent and calling you boy-o, and the local constabulary might find charges of some sheep harassing against you...

Watch Zulu, it is all about Welshmen.

[BDC]

Sheep!

[ShadesWolf]

Define Welsh ?

I live 30 miles from the border. Half my family have welsh names, most of my wifes family have welsh name.

But I class myself as 100% English

[ShadesWolf]

PS> Northern Ireland will win tomorrow ~D

At what ~;)

Picking the ball out of the back of the net ~:handball:

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

ShadesWolf:

I'm sure that you being of (or so it seems) Welsh descent but identifying yourself as English is entirely consistent with the attitudes of other individuals e.g. those London Irish, Cypriots etc. who consider themselves to be fully English and so on.
It's not unusual.

[Strike For The South]

2. questions

1. Are Welsh women good loking ~:cool:

2. Do you guys say rubbishh and mum because I do and nobody else seems to ~:confused:

[ShadesPanther]

At what ~;)

Picking the ball out of the back of the net ~:handball:

We'll see we'll see. I just hope Sven picks James :hide:

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

1. Are Welsh women good loking

I'll let my tears answer that one.

*cries*

[Horatius]

I will now take the role as the official enemy of the club:
SAXONS RULE! SAXONS RULE! SAXONS RULE! ~;)

Too late, I already made myself the enemy.

However we can destroy them and bang their heads on the wall together.

Rule Britainia Britainia rules the waves Britons never never never shall be slaves ~:cheers:

You Welsh are people of no honor, virtue, heretige, or strength, your national symbol is a white flag and you will and you will run away earlier and faster then even the cowardly french ~D

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

you may not have noticed your history books but the Welsh are the Britons.

[Strike For The South]

Wait the welsh are more cowardly than the french thats not good we will have to change that

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

another bad bit of historical knowledge on that count:
The Welsh have fought England's wars just as much as the Irish and Scots have.

[Papewaio]

I'll let my tears answer that one.

*cries*

Catherine Zeta Jones?

[dessa14]

they have women in wales??
i thought people just jumped out of the hills.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

:bigcry:

She married Michael Douglas.

Wah!

:bigcry:

and sort of moved away

:bigcry:

[Papewaio]

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[Strike For The South]

Hmmmmmmmmm...feelings a plenty this is going to, get closed so everyone to my next threads the oppresed southerners club (now I can get excitied about that ~:cool: )

[Lemur]

Don't do it, South! Everybody know Southerners feel oppressed; there's nothing original left to say. Sherman's march to the sea ... check. "War of Northern aggression" ... check. "Damn yankees" ... check.

Now, oppressed Welshmen, now there's one you don't hear about. Let's kvetch about Longshanks and his castle-building, country-destroying ways.

[Strike For The South]

alright my yankee friend ~:cheers:

[Aenlic]

Since you're determined to be part of the oppressed Welsh, you might as well start reading some of the finest poetry ever penned, the works of Dylan Thomas.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Catherine Zeta Jones?

She's a Swansea girl, unfortunately. Perhaps it's just Cardiff.

[Horatius]

Don't do it, South! Everybody know Southerners feel oppressed; there's nothing original left to say. Sherman's march to the sea ... check. "War of Northern aggression" ... check. "Damn yankees" ... check.

Now, oppressed Welshmen, now there's one you don't hear about. Let's kvetch about Longshanks and his castle-building, country-destroying ways.

But the way noble King Edward the Longshanks so decisively put the evil Welsh in their place is amongst the greatest things England has ever done ~:cheers:

Edward I was right about Wales :duel:

[English assassin]

Welsh are foriegners permitted to live in Britain, hence the name Welsh which is Saxon for foriegner.

This is rather ironic under the circumstances isn't it? Presumably the welsh word for the English translates as "those german bastards who kicked us out of the nice bits and then had the cheek to claim we were the foreigners"

Since no one else is willing to give you any guidance on Welshness I think you should be told that the main thing about Wales is it rains a lot. Also you should immediately develop an interest in Rugby Union, which is a bit of luck for you on two counts, one because it is a proper sport played by real men, which should be a bit of an eye opener, and two because Wales are actually not bad at the moment.

Oh and also you should watch Zulu as was suggested above, and learn the words to Men of Harlech. Although in the film I think they sing a version that has the derogatory references to Saxons missed out.

[The Stranger]

you know i could read welsh but i cant anymore..not that i need to....btw wales cost me a warning....i'm never bashing wales again

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

you may like to know another Old English word for the Welsh:

British (ok, it was spelt Brytysch or something but that's irrelevant)

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Oh, if you're going to be Welsh you're going to have to get used to the utterly unpronouncable place names.


Clicky (http://www.links-url-like.com/1accomm/welsh1.htm)

[Duke Malcolm]

Do they not have the longest place name in the world in Wales?

[Aenlic]

Yes, and thanks to the internet, they also now have the longest internet domain name in the world (gah!). Those silly Welsh.

http://www.llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.co.uk/

[ShadesPanther]

PS> Northern Ireland will win tomorrow ~D

Quoted for Truth

We're not Brazil, We're Northern Ireland ~:cheers: ~D ~D ~D ~D

[Papewaio]

Welsh are foriegners permitted to live in Britain, hence the name Welsh which is Saxon for foriegner.

Yes you Welsh fought in some of our wars, being our proffessional surrenderer corps that would struggle to surrender before the first frenchmen fled the field.

Yes taff you are right there are Welsh women, they are so ugly though that they need to beat the men over the head with a club in order to have their way with them.

God Save the Queen

Well with a name like that you must be the son or a Hor and a Rat.

[GoreBag]

Yeah, he is coming off like a bit of a bigot.

If it helps at all, the Gaelic words for "English" and "England" (they're the word) are derisive in origin.

[Beirut]

Gentlemen!

My axe serves at the pleasure of BKS. Master of this domain.

One more snide comment from any of you in the Frontroom and the axe will fall and heads and arms and legs will roll as per his rules in this his Kingdom of Peace & Love. :knight:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/horsesass/axe1.jpg

[Mouzafphaerre]

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In the beginning there was an island off the coast of Europe. It had no name, for the natives had no language, only a collection of grunts and gestures that roughly translated to "Hey!", "Gimme!", and "Pardon me, but would you happen to have any woad?"

Then the Romans (who had a pretty decent language) invaded the island and called it Britain, because the natives were "blue, nasty, br(u->i)tish and short." This was the start of the importance of u (and its mispronounciation)to the language. After building some roads, killing off some of the nasty little blue people and walling up the rest, the Romans left, taking the language instruction manual with them.

The British were bored so they invited the barbarians to come over (under Hengist) and "Horsa" 'round a bit. The Angles, Saxons, and Jutes brought with them slightly more refined vocal noises.

All of the vocal sounds of this primitive language were onomatapoedic, being derived from the sounds of battle. Consonants came from the sounds of weapons striking a foe. ("Sss" and "th" for example are the sounds of a draw cut, "k" is the sound of a solidly landed axe blow, "b", "d", are the sounds of a head dropping onto rock and sod respectively, and "gl" is the sound of a body splashing into a bog. Vowels (which were either gargles in the back of the throat or sharp exhalations) were derived from the sounds the foe himself made when struck: AAY! EEEEE! III! OH! OOH! and sometimes, "Why?"

The barbarians had so much fun that they decided to stay for post-revel. The British, finding they had lost future use of the site, moved into the hills to the west and called themselves Welsh.

The Irish, having heard about language from Patrick, came over to investigate. When they saw the shiny vowels, they pried them loose and took them home. They then raided Wales and stole both their cattle and their vowels, so the poor Welch had to make do with sheep and consonants. ("Old Ap Ivor hadde a farm, L Y L Y W! And on that farm he hadde somme gees. With a dd ddhere and a dd dd there...")

To prevent future raids, the Welsh started calling themselves "Cymry" and gave even longer names to their villages. They figured if no one could pronounce the name of their people or the names of their towns, then no one would visit them. (The success of the tactic is demonstrated still today. How many travel agents have YOU heard suggest a visit to scenic Llyddumlmunnyddthllywddu?)

Meanwhile, the Irish brought all the shiny new vowels home to Erin. But of course they didn't know that there was once an instruction manual for them, so they scattered the vowels throughout the language purely as ornaments. Most of the new vowels were not pronounced, and those that were were pronounced differently depending on which kind of consonant they were either preceding or following.

The Danes came over and saw the pretty vowels bedecking all the Irish words. "Ooooh!" they said. They raided Ireland and brought the vowels back home with them. But the Vikings couldn't keep track of all the Irish rules so they simply pronounced all the vowels "oouuoo."

In the meantime, the French had invaded Britain, which was populated by descendants of the Germanic Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. After a generation or two, the people were speaking German with a French accent and calling it English. Then the Danes invaded again, crying "Oouuoo! Oouuoo!," burning abbeys, and trading with the townspeople.

The Britons that the Romans hadn't killed intermarried with visiting Irish and became Scots. Against the advice of their travel agents, they decided to visit Wales. (The Scots couldn't read the signposts that said, "This way to LLyddyllwwyddymmllwylldd," but they could smell sheep a league away.) The Scots took the sheep home with them and made some of them into haggis. What they made with the others we won't say, but Scots are known to this day for having hairy legs.

The former Welsh, being totally bereft, moved down out of the hills and into London. Because they were the only people in the Islands who played flutes instead of bagpipes, they were called Tooters. This made them very popular. In short order, Henry Tooter got elected King and begin popularizing ornate, unflattering clothing.

Soon, everybody was wearing ornate, unflattering clothing, playing the flute, speaking German with a French accent, pronouncing all their vowels "oouuoo" (which was fairly easy given the French accent), and making lots of money in the wool trade. Because they were rich, people smiled more (remember, at this time, "Beowulf" and "Canterbury Tales" were the only tabloids, and gave generally favorable reviews even to Danes). And since it is next to impossible to keep your vowels in the back of your throat (even if you do speak German with a French accent) while smiling and saying "oouuoo" (try it, you'll see what I mean), the Great Vowel Shift came about and transformed the English language.

The very richest had their vowels shifted right out in front of their teeth. They settled in Manchester and later in Boston.

There were a few poor souls who, cut off from the economic prosperity of the wool trade, continued to swallow their vowels. They wandered the countryside in misery and despair until they came to the docks of London, where their dialect devolved into the incomprehensible language known as Cockney. Later, it was taken overseas and further brutalized by merging it with Dutch and Italian to create Brooklynese.

That's what happened, you can check for yourself. But we advise you to just take our word for it.
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[Reverend Joe]

Mouzafphaerre- Thank you.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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My pleasure fellow supposedly-Turk-descendant. :joker:
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[Shaka_Khan]

:wiseguy: Catherine Zeta-Jones

[ShadesPanther]

Mouzafphaerre that is possibly the funniest thing I have ever read ~:cheers: