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Zharakov

09-10-2005, 03:33

If you were, what rank were you and what did you do?

I was the equivelent rank of Major in the Russian Tank/Armor Corps.

And I was the equivelent rank of Private in the Soviet Siberian Partizans.

:charge: :charge: :charge:

Redleg

09-10-2005, 03:35

There is an older thread with this information.

However 10 years active duty - medical discharge at the rank of Major - Branch: Field Artillery.

Zharakov

09-10-2005, 04:08

A battery man...

You always have it the best... ~:cheers:

KukriKhan

09-10-2005, 05:25

There is an older thread with this information.

Several over the years. Seems to come up about every 3 months.

American Army Platoon Sergeant. Infantry, then Military Police, then Administration.

Are/were Soviet Siberian Partizans a militia?

Proletariat

09-10-2005, 05:27

Combat Medic, then Occupational Therapist, US Army.

Gawain of Orkeny

09-10-2005, 05:39

USMC Sgt 68-72 Marine Aviation Photo Electronics Technician. Secondary MOS Primary Marksmenship Instructor. Back in the old days with the M-14 and 1911 colt 45.

Don Corleone

09-10-2005, 05:49

Signed up for the Navy in 1988 (2 weeks after graduation). Discovered that due to the desire to shrink the military, my heart murmur (which had been undetectable since 1977) was a disqualifying event. (Taught me at a young age to lie on medical forms). Whatever grade they put on you as for "only physically fit if the Russians are kicking our doors in" was what I got. Lost a scholarship (and that summer forthat matter) and wasn't even allowed to join my local national guard. Funny thing was, I was doing triathalons at the time. But my heart wouldn't have taken Navy food, I'm sure...

Samurai Waki

09-10-2005, 05:55

I tried and was denied. I'm looking at joining again... to gain enough skill and understanding to start my own revolution.

This whole damned Katrina incident, plus Hurricane Season destroyed business (plus I hate business)

and I'm looking for a bit more adventure in my life.

Aenlic

09-10-2005, 06:16

Gawain of Orkeny

09-10-2005, 06:23

But Don dosent go around calling himself a disabled vet. :hide:

Strike For The South

09-10-2005, 06:34

But Don dosent go around calling himself a disabled vet. :hide:

Cold so Cold ~D

Aenlic

09-10-2005, 06:37

But Don dosent go around calling himself a disabled vet. :hide:

Was that called for? Really? You can have my disability. I'd give it to you right now, if I could.

Strike For The South

09-10-2005, 06:40

Was that called for? Really? You can have my disability. I'd give it to you right now, if I could.

Dont worry I still like you ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:

Devastatin Dave

09-10-2005, 06:43

10 years US Air Force, Communications Computer Operator, SSgt. I just recently got out. Now working for the National Geospacial Agency as a contractor. ~:)

My thumb is deformed from the multiple bottles of soju and O.B. beer while in Korea. Guess I should have claimed it when I got out. ~;)

Samurai Waki

09-10-2005, 06:43

That was probably the coldest thing I have ever heard someone say in the forum. a disabled vet is worthy of a handshake and if possible a salute everytime you see one. A couple of Nam' vets used to come to the "resort" everyone year or so and one of them had a grenade land by him and crippled him for the life (destroyed his spine) and the other stepped on a landmine and disabled his leg (although it was never removed and he was thankful for it), I treated those guys better than any costumer I ever had because of the sheer amount of respect I had for them, even though they never really were terribly nice to me.

Aenlic

09-10-2005, 06:54

Gawain of Orkeny

09-10-2005, 06:55

~D
That was probably the coldest thing I have ever heard someone say in the forum. a disabled vet is worthy of a handshake and if possible a salute everytime you see one.

I certainly salute him for his service but you have to admit he has made it sound like he got hurt doing his job in the service and therfore was disabled not that he suffered from some medical malady that was not service related. If I can call Kerry a coward and a traitor this is a far cry from that I would think. In fact he may be drawing compensation anyway because he was in the service. Im not questioning his service but the impression I got. Personally I hate the government so much Ive never even put into the VA for anything. My point is Ive never heard Don mention a word about this while Aenlic brings it up often. Thats because us conservatives are humble. Especially your truly ~D ~D ~D

Strike For The South

09-10-2005, 06:58

~D

I certainly salute him for his service but you have to admit he has made it sound like he got hurt doing his job in the service and therfore was disabled not that he suffered from some medical malady that was not service related. If I can call Kerry a coward and a traitor this is a far cry from that I would think. In fact he may be drawing compensation anyway because he was in the service. Im not questioning his service but the impression I got. Personally I hate the government so much Ive never even put into the VA for anything. My point is Ive never heard Don mention a word about this while Aenlic brings it up often. Thats because us conservatives are humble. Especially your truly ~D ~D ~D

Well that wasnt humble and he did get hurt politcis dosent hafto get in the way of a lighthearted discussion because if he was a conservative you wouldve never questioned him would ya ~:)

Aenlic

09-10-2005, 07:00

Gawain of Orkeny

09-10-2005, 07:03

I lost part of my right hand in an industrial accident on board ship. Because of my rating as a machinist, even a nuc, it meant that I could no longer handle tools properly. The Navy, in its infinite wisdom decided I was no longer needed.

In that case you have my apology. As I said it was the impression I got from your reply to Dons post that your handicap was not service related. I hope they took and continue to take good care of you then. Please excuse this jarhead for speaking out of turn. Thats why I was hiding behind that couch.

Well that wasnt humble and he did get hurt politcis dosent hafto get in the way of a lighthearted discussion because if he was a conservative you wouldve never questioned him would ya

The humble bit was supposed to be funny. And yuour right why would I attack a conservative. Lighten up. I made a big enuff ass of myself. ~:eek:

Samurai Waki

09-10-2005, 07:08

hahaha.

Gawain of Orkeny

09-10-2005, 07:15

Well, after the second post by Gawain. I can see now he's just an ass. So much for being civil. Sorry it had to enter this thread, folks. Some people's parents just shouldn't have been allowed to breed.

Seems you posted this while I was posting my aplogoy. No need to be so hostile. I didnt personally insult you at anytime. You not only insulted me but my parents. Now its your turn to admit you were wrong.

Samurai Waki

09-10-2005, 07:16

just shake hands for god's sake! :bow:

Gawain of Orkeny

09-10-2005, 07:19

just shake hands for god's sake!

Thats what I was trying to do by apologising. I dont hold any grudges against anyone here. Its only talk between people who never have nor ever probably will ever meet. I said I behaved like an ass what more would you have me do?

Samurai Waki

09-10-2005, 11:08

I said I behaved like an ass what more would you have me do?

give me 50$ ~;)

Ser Clegane

09-10-2005, 13:25

I would appreciate if patrons who are older than me (and probably wiser than me) would also behave accordingly.

Thanks :bow:

Ser Clegane

Mikeus Caesar

09-10-2005, 15:11

Me and my friends have declared a small part of our local woods (about a square mile) an autonomous country, and i have been given the rank of 'Filed Matul'. I think it's meant to be Field Marshall, but the bit of paper that has been pinned to my shirt to show my rank clearly says Filed Matul. I get to wear a cool paper hat and order my friends about. But in turn i get ordered about by my 'Genral'...

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-10-2005, 15:58

The highest rank I've held is Grand Leader of the International Imperialist Club (Imperialist Club II). But someday I hope to join:

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Or

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Heck, even the Heer I would have no problem with.

Devastatin Dave

09-10-2005, 17:19

Darn Jar Heads and Squid Heads always cluttering up the place with their uncivilized behaviour!!! ~;)

**sips cup of tea out of his Air Force cup, pinky sticking out of course** ~:cheers:

Don Corleone

09-10-2005, 17:21

That is sad. Sorry, man. But the Navy fed me very well. Never once saw the proverbial MRE. Those poor grunts. They make them hump around, then don't feed them real food and make them wear green. Very sad.

No, not sad. It was a disappoinment I had to get over though. See, I was raised from day 1 to be a submarine officer. I used to play sub-hunter with my friends when everyone else was playing cowboys & indians. I had my room plastered with crew photos & ship photos. My dad was on subs, and when he left the Navy, he went to work at Electric Boat (the submarine shipyard) and he designed & built them.

My heart condition (which is laugable, it wasn't by the time I applied) wasn't the navy's fault, it was genetics. Truth be told, the recruiter was really, really nice. He could have held me to the commitment and put me on surface ships or worse, in years of desk service someplace. But as it was 1988, and the military was trying to scale back, he was pretty kind and said "Look, I know all you want is subs. You'll never get into nuclear power school or sub school with your heart condition. If you really want to take an administrative job someplace, call me in a month. Otherwise, I'm doing to do you a favor and declare you medically unfit".

By the way, Gawain, I think you owe Aenlic one-night's bar tab. One beer won't cut it in this case. I think it was really big of you to apologize, but don't be surprised when it doesn't make everything sunshine and roses immediately afterwards. ~D

Finally, to anybody that served, thank you, and I owe you a beer/wine/drink. I've never been in airport travelling and passed up the chance to buy a serviceman/woman a drink. That's my little contribution I guess. ~:cheers:

Gawain of Orkeny

09-10-2005, 17:34

By the way, Gawain, I think you owe Aenlic one-night's bar tab. One beer won't cut it in this case. I think it was really big of you to apologize, but don't be surprised when it doesn't make everything sunshine and roses immediately afterwards.

Yeah at the very least. However he did give me the impression that his disablity was in no way service related as like you and hence my comment. If he had said what really had happened I would never have stuck my foot in my mouth like that. You must admit that if you were to go around claiming that you were a disabled vet it would be disenginuous at best. I though he had some medical aliment that wasnt discovered until he was on active duty.

Don Corleone

09-10-2005, 17:58

Yeah at the very least. However he did give me the impression that his disablity was in no way service related as like you and hence my comment. If he had said what really had happened I would never have stuck my foot in my mouth like that. You must admit that if you were to go around claiming that you were a disabled vet it would be disenginuous at best. I though he had some medical aliment that wasnt discovered until he was on active duty.

I can do you one better. A guy I went to school with was late for guard duty while he was stationed back in Groton (going to sub school). He was actually at a party I was at. Well, he's had a couple too many, but decides to drive anyway, and wrecks his car on the way. Now mind you, this happened in October of 1990 (during Desert Shield, not Storm). He had the balls to file a claim for himself as a disabled veteran and got school/financial assistance. When he wasn't even disabled! He claimed his back was toast, but he used to come play football with us every Sunday. We always kinda despised him after that, and one of my buddies was going to take photos of him playing with us (we played full tackle, no pads) and send it in to the Navy, but he couldn't bring himself to be a rat.

Anyway, you'd hear me asking for a sex change operation before you'll hear me claiming to be a veteran period, let alone a disabled one. But I'm having a hard time seeing where you got that Aenlic got hurt outside the line of duty. Did he change his posts? Cause the ones above, he never mentions one way or the other how he got hurt until he responded to you and explained he got his hand caught in a machine on a cruise.

Gawain of Orkeny

09-10-2005, 18:32

Cause the ones above, he never mentions one way or the other how he got hurt until he responded to you and explained he got his hand caught in a machine on a cruise.

You know what? Your right. I just went and looked back. I thought he said he had the same problem as you. I dont know what kind of drugs I was doing last night but I better stay away from them. Seriously . Three major lapses in one night is unforgivable on my part. I apologize to you all and most of all to Aenlic. It was a cheap attempt at humor. I even missed the post where he said what happened. I just saw it now. :hanged:

Zharakov

09-10-2005, 20:01

Ohh my God... I'm the only officer... ~D

The CCP *Soviet Siberian Partizans* Were a grope of Conscriptes sent to Afghanastan... I joined after the war so never saw action with them... a few years later the CCCP colapsed and I joined the new Tank corps and saw action in Chechnyia, Hungaria, Poland, and The Ukrain...

Aenlic

09-10-2005, 20:09

I received a warning for calling Gawain an ass. I thought I was being rather polite under the circumstances, considering the words I was thinking.

Life is too short. I have better things to do than put up with crap like that and then getting a warning for my extremely reserved response.

Considering the obvious bias that warning entails, I think I'll just let you play among youselves. I'm sure this post will probably end up deleted or moved to some black hole where it won't be seen. That's how these things work. To the reasonable people I've met here, maybe we'll met somewhere else. The world isn't as big as it appears in the rear view mirror.

Samurai Waki

09-10-2005, 20:10

I wanted to be a Soviet Tank Commander! :biker:

Zharakov

09-10-2005, 20:28

You wanna switch jobs?

These things are deth traps... *Eccept for the new T-95's which kick M1A1 ass... ~;) *

They are hot, cramped, noisey... But I still lvoe them... :medievalcheers:

Devastatin Dave

09-10-2005, 20:41

Devastatin Dave

09-10-2005, 21:01

Ohh my God... I'm the only officer... ~D

...

Redleg was an officer as well. ~:)

BTW Anelic, You get warnings for calling people names, period. I got my last one for suggesting that a certain group of people were idiots. So try not to get too upset about getting a warning. Its just part of life.

Gawain of Orkeny

09-10-2005, 21:42

If it makes you feel any better I got one also and I didnt even call you a name. I was out of line however .

Zharakov

09-11-2005, 22:25

Me and Redleg are the only officers... ~D

Gawain of Orkeny

09-11-2005, 22:56

Nah Me and Dave were officers also. Just not commisioned ones ~D Besides its the sgts that really run things. ~;)

Devastatin Dave

09-11-2005, 23:21

Nah Me and Dave were officers also. Just not commisioned ones ~D Besides its the sgts that really run things. ~;)

That's right, you need NCO's to make sure those officers don't mess things up too bad!!! ~:cheers:

Krusader

09-11-2005, 23:58

Hmm...I was just a poor conscript in the mighty ~D Royal Norwegian Air Force. Norway's biggest Kindergarten.

Was conscripted into the RNoAF Anti-Aircraft Artillery and went through boot camp there. Although due to poor health I was transferred to a mountain complex and Logistics. 10 months behind a desk and doing odd jobs around the base wasn't exactly fun :dizzy2: (except the few times we had excercises and marksmanship training)

Kaiser of Arabia

09-12-2005, 03:28

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-12-2005, 21:35

At least the Luftwaffe still exists.

Zharakov

09-13-2005, 00:38

Now now... Lets not all forget... we do have to credit the Americans for one hell of an Air Force...

Although Russia has the best tanks! ~:cheers:

Redleg

09-13-2005, 00:49

Now now... Lets not all forget... we do have to credit the Americans for one hell of an Air Force...

Although Russia has the best tanks! ~:cheers:

You might not want to say that to loud - I just might have to get my little brother to get on the site and argue with you.

He is a soon to be Master Sergeant in the United States Army. A tanker in the finest tank corps the world has ever seen. (How's that for placing American Forces on a pedestal).

In all seriousness he could probably argue the pro's and con's of most of the modern Tank systems throughout the world. He is a master gunner and and has worked on the development of some aspects of the M1A2 as it relates to the use by the Army.

He is soon to be promoted and given the responsiblity of First Sergeant for a Company going to Iraq to train the Iraqi Security Forces in Scout tactics. And he just got back from Kuwait where he was training the Kuwaiti Army on tactics and procedures of the M1A1 tank crew and how to do gunnery. There is more to it - but that is most of what I am willing to state.

Hows that for all you military buffs out there. A Field Grade Officer and a senior NCO from the same family.

Zharakov

09-13-2005, 00:51

But I drive a T-95... In my opinion, the best tank in the world... ~:cheers:

Redleg

09-13-2005, 00:54

But I drive a T-95... In my opinion, the best tank in the world... ~:cheers:

That is fine - I might ask him to give me the comparsion between the two tanks so we can discuss it. I know the M1A2 pretty well from him already - but know very little about the T-95 since it became operational about the same time I left the service.

However I think the M1A2 is still the best tank in the world - until I hear otherwise from the Master Sergeant and Master Gunner who is the family expert on all things Armor.

Edit forgot the smilie to show I am being humorous. ~:cheers: ~:cool: :charge:

Zharakov

09-13-2005, 00:57

Redleg

09-13-2005, 01:36

The T-95 is saposed to be better or atleast as good as the M1A2. But I may be off...

It is an excelent tank... Or at least I feel so...

Of corse, the M1A2 is a work of art as well... That tank is beautiful...

I think you might be right - My brother mentioned something about the tank - can't remember exactly what - but that he was concerned about the new Russian Tank. And he wouldn't of been concerned and tracking it if he didn't think it was at least on par with the M1A2.

So its probably a great tank - will have that discussion with him soon - when he gets settled back in Fort Hood.

Gawain of Orkeny

09-13-2005, 01:42

Is Russia’s T-95 the Best Tank in the World
by Harold C. Hutchison
June 30, 2004
Discussion Board on this DLS topic
Mirror, mirror, on the wall, which tank is the baddest of them all? This is a question that will touch off a major debate, particularly when one compares two tanks head-to-head. The latest such matchup is the 50-ton T-95, which is in development in Russia, versus the M1A2 Abrams, the front-line tank of the United States Army.

The T-95 is a new design. It will apparently carry a 152mm gun/missile launcher in a new turret designed to lower the silhouette even more than the current low slung T-72 series of tanks. The main gun will carry more of a punch than the 125mm gun used on current Russian tanks. This is a result of lessons learned from Desert Storm, when 125mm armor-piercing rounds bounced off M1A1 Abrams tanks, even when fired from as close as 400 meters. The other major advance will include systems designed to decoy anti-tank missiles (like the Hellfire, Javelin, and TOW). The goal is to jam the sighting systems and to confuse the aim. This also is intended to work against the sighting system for tank guns. Tanks often spend time fighting each other, and their sights work much like the sights used to target and guide anti-tank missiles. The real question is whether the T-95 will see production beyond a few prototypes. Its main competitor, the T-80UM2 “Black Eagle,” has the advantage of being cheaper and an upgrade of the T-80, which is currently in service. The T-95 will need time to have all the kinks worked out of its design. Much of that has already been done with the basic design of the T-80, and the “Black Eagle” will not need as much time to be ready for deployment. The T-95 has improved crew survivability over the T-72, T-80, and T-90 tanks that the Russians currently use, but that is really not saying much, given the fact that the T-72 and its successors provided practically nothing in that area.

That said, the Americans have not stood pat with the M1A1. The 69-ton M1A2 is nearing ten years old. Its major changes are not in terms of the weapons (it maintains the same weapons as the M1A1: a 120mm main gun, a 12.7mm gun for the commander, and two 7.62mm machine guns – one coaxial with the main gun, the other mounted on the loader’s hatch), but instead, the M1A2 is designed to exchange information with other vehicles faster through IVIS (Inter-Vehicle Information System). IVIS would allow a tank crew to find out what other tank crews are seeing, and to tell those other crews what they see, but troops have reportedly found it to be inconvenient. As a result, crews of the M1A2 will have a clearer picture of the battlefield than their opponents in other tanks when IVIS is used. That pays dividends. Having a good gun is nice, but you have to know where to point it. The American crews will know faster than their opponents due to IVIS. That means they are more likely to get in the first shot. The fire-control system remains perhaps the best in the world. When an Abrams fires at a target, it is probably going to hit the target. The results will usually be fatal to its target.

The technical specifications do not tell the whole story. The real difference is made in crew quality – and American tank crews have the decided edge over their counterparts in other countries. This is due to two factors: Combat experience in two wars since 1990, and much better training, most notably at the National Training Center. The former is arguably the best teacher in the world. It brutally shows what was done right and wrong, and grading is not on a curve. The latter is the toughest training regime in the world – often American combat veterans have compared fighting in Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom to the NTC, with the caveat that the Iraqis weren’t as good as the OPFOR (the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment). Training at home bases (American tank crews fire about 100 rounds per year, in addition to demonstrations and NTC rotations) and the constant use of simulators add to the American edge in training.

The T-95, should it enter service, might have a better gun and could exceed the M1A2's 429-kilometer range (Russian tanks usually have a range of 550-650 kilometers when equipped with extra fuel tanks), but the M1A2 is superior in most other aspects by which a tank is judged, particularly in fire control, crew survivability, the IVIS system (when used), and since it is already in service. It might cost $4.3 million per tank when compared to the $1.8 million Pakistan paid for each of the 320 T-80UDs Pakistan bought from the Ukraine, but the U.S. Army, in battles like 73 Easting (where the M1A1HA-equipped Eagle Troop of the 2nd ACR under H.R. McMaster, with other units, defeated elements of the Tawakalna Division) during Desert Storm, has proven that the M1 series of tanks can win when badly outnumbered. The M1A2 still rules the battlefield, and will for the foreseeable future.

Sorry Zharakov the tank is good its you thats the weak link aparently ~D
Well not personally.

LINK (http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004630.asp)

Leet Eriksson

09-13-2005, 01:48

Al Saiqa Commando for 5 years.

Al Saiqa means Thunder... a bit cliche isn't it? ~;)

The story starts when the army drafted all those college graduates becuase service was mandatory, at first i was put into Maintenance, now you would all think Maintenance are a bunch of jokes at first, but that thought soon erodes when going through their brutal training regimen. Not long before i got transferred into Al Saiqa, a special forces unit who pick trainees with exceptional abilities (need to pass physical, marksmanship, RPG-7 Training, and grenade training with Satisfactory results).

We were then trained by US special forces (confedential, but they are from the US navy.. which gets pretty obvious now).

During my time I had the displeasure of holding an M16A1 vietnam era rifle for shooting range (getting 56/60 was quite the effort), and later M16A2 when doing operations, seeing the full auto removed doesn't bother me, the a1 was a peice of crap that it jammed even in semi-auto.

I get to also shoot a nifty M4, a G3, SAW and also a HK23 Machine gun. OpFor weapons i got to mess with where the RPG-7, and AK-47. I didn't get the feel of the ak-47 however. So far the best assault rifle i got to use was the G3, it obliterates all assault rifles in every category by a mile.

Devastatin Dave

09-13-2005, 01:55

**continues sipping tea from Air Force tea cup, pinky pointed out, now looking down nose in arrogant disgust**

Silly grunts with all their silly pop guns and gas-chugging treaded vehicles with silly armorments. Why face the enemy when you can bomb them from 30,000 feet. ~D

Zharakov

09-13-2005, 03:16

Sorry Zharakov the tank is good its you thats the weak link aparently ~D
Well not personally.

LINK (http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004630.asp)

Hummm... General Yukolov will hear about this...

And Dave, stupid flyboys... only whimps drink Tea... Real men drink Vodka! Or Beer... ~D :medievalcheers:

Franconicus

09-13-2005, 07:56

I served for 15 months in German Luftwaffe. I was in a Pershing squadron (you know the ones with nukes) and made it to Obergefreiter.

Devastatin Dave

09-13-2005, 14:27

Hummm... General Yukolov will hear about this...

And Dave, stupid flyboys... only whimps drink Tea... Real men drink Vodka! Or Beer... ~D :medievalcheers:

Uncivilised!!! ~D

**salutes fellow warrior**

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-13-2005, 23:11

I served for 15 months in German Luftwaffe. I was in a Pershing squadron (you know the ones with nukes) and made it to Obergefreiter.
What's the Bundeswehr like? I'm dead nervous, I'll have to join in a few years (if I like it, I might make a career out of it, but I want an opinion first). I'm interested in Luftwaffe or Heer (preferrably a Panzer division :bow: ).

Goofball

09-14-2005, 01:01

Served for three years in the reg force as an infantry soldier with the PPCLI from 1990-1993.

Just completed the final red tape (fitness test, background check, medical, and interview) to go back in as a reserve infantry officer with the Canadian Scottish Regiment. Unfortunately, since it's been so long since I was last in active service they're going to make me repeat basic infantry training all over again. Something tells me it's going to be a little harder at 35 years old than it was at 20 years old...

Poor old me...

~:mecry:

Devastatin Dave

09-14-2005, 01:05

Something tells me it's going to be a little harder at 35 years old than it was at 20 years old...

Poor old me...

~:mecry:

Be sure to post before and after pictures!!!
You're more of a man thatn me, I wouldn't even dream of repeating Basic, even my wimpy Air Force basic!!!

Gawain of Orkeny

09-14-2005, 02:04

Unfortunately, since it's been so long since I was last in active service they're going to make me repeat basic infantry training all over again.

Just thank God its the Canadian Army and not the USMC whos basic your going through. ~D

Franconicus

09-14-2005, 07:29

What's the Bundeswehr like? I'm dead nervous, I'll have to join in a few years (if I like it, I might make a career out of it, but I want an opinion first). I'm interested in Luftwaffe or Heer (preferrably a Panzer division :bow: ).
Well evil_maniac, I am not sure if people from Mars are allowed to join.
My experience is some 20 years old and the army has changed a lot since then.
The Bundeswehr was not like I expected it. Far less drill. The ugliest thing there is that you wait most of the time. Then you have to hurry without a cause. One example: We had an alarm at 23:30. We had to dress and gather in the yard in about 30 seconds. There we waited for an hour. Then we packed our bags and took the weapons within 10 minutes just to wait again. Then we were brought to a small forrest. We were told to lay on the groung and protect that forrest. It was 4:30 now and January. After two hours protecting the trees (no enemy) the training was over. I surely learned a lot.

Luftwaffe seams to be much better than Heer. Much more relaxed and with some elite feeling. Just avoid to join a guarding unit. This job is boaring and there are no careers.

Kagemusha

09-14-2005, 08:37

Zharakov.Do you guys already have those T-95´s in use or are you just testing them?(Just a curious Finn asking). ~;)

Divinus Arma

09-14-2005, 09:17

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Six Years and a few months. I debated going officer, since I have a TS-SCI clearance and a four year degree, but I have my reasons for not gutting out the 13+ years.

It's been fun, but I think it is time to move on. I'll probably go into the Police or Fire Service. I'll probably take a commission in the Army Reserves or National Guard, since that can't be done in the Marine Corps. You have to do six years active as an officer to go into the reserves. By that time I'll have 13 years in and why not do another seven? So screw it.

Like I said, It's been fun. The officers have their place, but they aren't "superior" human beings like they all make themselves out to be. It used to be a big deal when education was rare. Now everybody and their mother has a college education, so who the hell are these stuck ups trying to kid? But then, most officers at least have a brain. I know plenty of enlisted who can't poop without being told where and how much. These guys are a big part of the reason that it's time for me to move on.

The Selection Board for Staff Sergeant is over on Sept 16. If I get picked up early, then maybe I'll reconsider going commissioned, seeing that the Corps actually values the massive amount of extra effort that I have put in. I'll let you all know. Because I know you all care so much. ~:handball: ~:rolleyes: ~D

Redleg

09-14-2005, 13:15

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Like I said, It's been fun. The officers have their place, but they aren't "superior" human beings like they all make themselves out to be. It used to be a big deal when education was rare. Now everybody and their mother has a college education, so who the hell are these stuck ups trying to kid? But then, most officers at least have a brain. I know plenty of enlisted who can't poop without being told where and how much. These guys are a big part of the reason that it's time for me to move on.

the old stuck up officer bit. Part of the problem you face is how the Marine Corps Officer is trained - or at least that is my experience. My Field Artillery Officer Basic Course had Marine Corps LT's in it. These Marine officers had to go to the Army School and do better then the rest of us or they faced career problems. It pissed a few of them off when I was doing better then them in gunnery - and I did not put the effort into it that they had to. 5 years of experience in gunnery in the National Guard as a 13E and an non-branch qualified officer - however my 13E chief in the Guard forced me to learn gunnery the old fashion way and it gave me an edge so I hardly needed to apply any effort in gunnery at the basic cource. Not a single Marine Corps LT would let me help them with the subject - where many of my Army peers would. [/quote]

The Selection Board for Staff Sergeant is over on Sept 16. If I get picked up early, then maybe I'll reconsider going commissioned, seeing that the Corps actually values the massive amount of extra effort that I have put in. I'll let you all know. Because I know you all care so much. ~:handball: ~:rolleyes: ~D

Good luck on the Board.

Taffy_is_a_Taff

09-14-2005, 14:53

DA:

good luck.

Zharakov

09-14-2005, 20:47

Zharakov.Do you guys already have those T-95´s in use or are you just testing them?(Just a curious Finn asking). ~;)

The T-95 is in use.

But most units still use the old T-70 and T-80... and a few T-90's.

Why? We arnt planning to invade... Really... *Better call of the invasion... ~D *

Kagemusha

09-14-2005, 21:16

Zharakov.Thanks for the info. :bow: (Always good to know what our Eastern neighbour is up to.) ~;)

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-14-2005, 22:06

Well evil_maniac, I am not sure if people from Mars are allowed to join.
My experience is some 20 years old and the army has changed a lot since then.
The Bundeswehr was not like I expected it. Far less drill. The ugliest thing there is that you wait most of the time. Then you have to hurry without a cause. One example: We had an alarm at 23:30. We had to dress and gather in the yard in about 30 seconds. There we waited for an hour. Then we packed our bags and took the weapons within 10 minutes just to wait again. Then we were brought to a small forrest. We were told to lay on the groung and protect that forrest. It was 4:30 now and January. After two hours protecting the trees (no enemy) the training was over. I surely learned a lot.

Luftwaffe seams to be much better than Heer. Much more relaxed and with some elite feeling. Just avoid to join a guarding unit. This job is boaring and there are no careers.

Thanks. But with the auto 9 months at 18 years old, are you automatically assigned to say, Luftwaffe, or do you have a choice?

Divinus Arma

09-15-2005, 07:46

Good luck on the Board.

DA:

good luck.

Gentlemen, Thank you. :bow:

Only a couple more days.

Franconicus

09-15-2005, 07:50

Thanks. But with the auto 9 months at 18 years old, are you automatically assigned to say, Luftwaffe, or do you have a choice?
If you want to get a professional soldier you have a choice. If you know what you want to do you have good chances. If not they put you anywhere.
So think carefully what you want to do. Want to be specialist in computer, electronic, logistic? Or do you want to become a pilot. Or do you want to lead people. Or do you want to see other countries? Or do you want to have physical fitness? Bundeswehr can offer you all of this if you are clever enough.

On the other hand you have to be aware that you might find yourself in combat one day. And that you will have to moove from town to town.

Good luck!

Papewaio

09-15-2005, 07:55

Does the Boy Scouts count as Military? ~D

If not, no I haven't.

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My Grandfathers were in WWII.

One was a tail end charlie in a Lancaster Bomber and was in from 39 to 45. He couldn't join the Army on account of his feet, but the RAF let him fly.

Out of the 10 Grandchildren, 10 Great-Grandchildren and the 1 Great-Great Grandchild I was the one that inherited his medals on his death. Rather proud of the old guy.

Boy did he know how to needle someone with words... I think I got some of my sarcastic streak from him. ~:cheers:

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DA good luck it is the NCOs that run the military, the officiers just choose were to run to.

Sigurd

09-15-2005, 10:27

Ensign (FENR) in the Royal Norwegian Navy. Discharged.

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Taffy_is_a_Taff

09-15-2005, 17:11

goofball:

I almost forgot you, good luck with the training.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-15-2005, 21:42

If you want to get a professional soldier you have a choice. If you know what you want to do you have good chances. If not they put you anywhere.
So think carefully what you want to do. Want to be specialist in computer, electronic, logistic? Or do you want to become a pilot. Or do you want to lead people. Or do you want to see other countries? Or do you want to have physical fitness? Bundeswehr can offer you all of this if you are clever enough.

On the other hand you have to be aware that you might find yourself in combat one day. And that you will have to moove from town to town.

Good luck!
I mean for the consription time. :dizzy2: And I want to command the suckers. Some of my friends have said I have the recklessness and ruthlessness of a Swabian, I can understand the people like a Bavarian (farmers, you know, except in places like Munich or Nurnberg (no accent keys on this computer, sorry)), and I have the cold precision and ruthlessness of a Prussian. ~:cool: But I don't know what I should really do. Maybe you can PM me?