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Hurin_Rules
09-16-2005, 18:20
This seems rather far fetched to me, but it seems that a Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy a massive raft of documents showing that the Pentagon did have information that Atta was planning a terrorist attack long before 9/11. This employee apparently will testify to this before congress:



Congressman: Atta papers destroyed on orders

Updated: 3:53 a.m. ET Sept. 16, 2005
WASHINGTON - A Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta as a terrorist two years before the 2001 attacks, a congressman said Thursday.

The employee is prepared to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee and was expected to identify the person who ordered him to destroy the large volume of documents, said Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa.

Weldon declined to identify the employee, citing confidentiality matters. Weldon described the documents as “2.5 terabytes” — as much as one-fourth of all the printed materials in the Library of Congress, he added.

A Senate Judiciary Committee aide said the witnesses for Wednesday's hearing had not been finalized and could not confirm Weldon’s comments.

Pentagon: Nothing found
Army Maj. Paul Swiergosz, a Pentagon spokesman, said officials have been “fact-finding in earnest for quite some time.”

“We’ve interviewed 80 people involved with Able Danger, combed through hundreds of thousands of documents and millions of e-mails and have still found no documentation of Mohamed Atta,” Swiergosz said.

He added that certain data had to be destroyed in accordance with existing regulations regarding “intelligence data on U.S. persons.”

Did program exist?
Weldon has said that Atta, the mastermind of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and three other hijackers were identified in 1999 by a classified military intelligence unit known as “Able Danger,” which determined they could be members of an al-Qaida cell.

On Wednesday, former members of the Sept. 11 commission dismissed the “Able Danger” assertions. One commissioner, ex-Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash., said, “Bluntly, it just didn’t happen and that’s the conclusion of all 10 of us.”

Weldon responded angrily to Gorton’s assertions.

“It’s absolutely unbelievable that a commission would say this program just didn’t exist,” Weldon said Thursday.

Pentagon officials said this month they had found three more people who recall an intelligence chart identifying Atta as a terrorist prior to the Sept. 11 attacks.

Two military officers, Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, have come forward to support Weldon’s claims.

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Crazed Rabbit
09-16-2005, 18:43
Two important questions arise:
Did they do it? We shall see. I'm not sure.

Why would they do that?
They couldn't be covering up for pre 9/11 failures since 9/11 hadn't happened.
It doesn't seem a benign document clearinghouse.
Could Clinton or some higher up ordered it to sweep the danger under the rug, so to speak, along with the fact that Clinton wasn't doing anything about it? I'm not going to accuse him until the evidence is presented and legit, but it may be a possibility.
Any connection, along those same lines, to Sandy Berger stealing documents? (for which he should have been much more severely punished)

Crazed Rabbit

Red Harvest
09-16-2005, 20:03
While Clinton could have ordered it, it obviously was rather generic...and 2 years before 9/11. 2.5 terabytes? Sounds like a massive generic records purge, but doesn't sound like a time based one if it included current ones. Very strange, was it internally ordered by the Pentagon? Or did it come from above.

Corporate wide we were doing a lot of records purges around that time. It was the "in thing" in the corporate world as legal protection. What happened in my industry is that most of us tired of doing these annual purges since they could take days to sort through, and filing all the crap out to justify what we kept (like dormant/intermittently active major research projects.) Some folks started throwing everything away, regardless of its value--so process knowledge memory was about 3 years, versus decades (or even half a century for some of the older plants.) We lost a lot of needed info that way and it bit us on the butt so many times that it was a running joke. Would it surprise me if the Pentagon did the same? Not any more than the Sun rising in the morning.

Hurin_Rules
09-16-2005, 20:23
Hmm... are you sure the destruction of the documents was ordered BEFORE 9/11? I didn't get that sense from the post--it said the documents identified ATTA two years before 9/11, but did not specify when the documents were destroyed.

Or am I misinterpreting this?

Red Harvest
09-16-2005, 20:59
Hmm... are you sure the destruction of the documents was ordered BEFORE 9/11? I didn't get that sense from the post--it said the documents identified ATTA two years before 9/11, but did not specify when the documents were destroyed.

Or am I misinterpreting this?

No, either interpretation is correct now that I look at it more closesly. It is a poorly structured sentence. What's worse, the rest of the article fails to make it clear or even imply which the sentence intended. Was the document destroyed after the fact? If so, it should have been clearly stated. As it is, I can't figure out what the heck they are trying to say in the article. :dizzy2: Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Break out the popcorn.

bmolsson
09-17-2005, 03:36
Why would they ????? I don't believe it....