Intelligent Decline

[Adrian II]

I hear the movie March of the Penguins has been a U.S. summer box-office hit. Has any of you seen it?

I also hear that American Christians are promoting it as the best thing that happened to the cinema after Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ. The penguins are held up as models of monogamy, child-rearing, love and sacrifice, even as proof of Intelligent Design. Andrew Sullivan of The Times effectively shreds these notions in a rather funny piece.


According to The Auk, the scholarly journal of the American Ornithologists’ Union, emperor penguins make Liz Taylor look like a lifetime monogamist. Their mate fidelity, year to year, is 15%. Each year, in other words, 85% of emperor penguins get a divorce and pick up a new spouse. Not only that, they’re not particularly p-p-p-picky.

“In emperor penguins the tendency to divorce occurred only when females returned earlier than their previous mates. Most emperor penguin pairs formed within 24 hours after the arrival of the males, which were outnumbered by females,” says The Auk. Memo to male emperor penguins: if you get to the breeding grounds a day late, forget about it. She’s already moved on.

It gets worse. Some penguins are — wait for it — gay. Of course, any fool could have told you that. They’re invariably impeccably turned out, in simple and elegant black tie with a very discrete splash of colour, and you can’t tell the boys from the girls. This is a big problem for zoos hoping for baby penguins. The keepers at Berlin’s Bremerhaven zoo were frustrated for years wondering why their penguin couples weren’t producing any eggs. After DNA testing they discovered that three of the five pairs had the avian equivalent of “civil partnerships”.

Gay marriage has apparently been around a lot longer than many of us believed. So they brought in four, er, birds from Sweden to try to wean the gay penguins into reproducing.

No word yet on progress. But German gay groups were outraged. How dare the zoo try to reprogram gays? “The central question is, are our penguins really gay or is it simply a lack of opportunity?” the zoo keeper told Der Spiegel. “The males have had the opportunity but haven’t done it.”

In New York’s Central Park zoo, a gay penguin marriage has even become literature. Roy and Silo were two male penguins who showed no interest in the females, appeared devoted to each other, built a nest together and at one point even found a pebble they decided to sit on.

Sadly, the pebble didn’t hatch. When keepers provided Roy and Silo with an egg abandoned by a heterosexual penguin couple, they became devoted daddies. Their adopted baby was called Tango. This summer a lovingly illustrated children’s book, And Tango Makes Three, hit the shelves, yet another weapon in the pro-gay culture war.

But nature isn’t pro-homosexual either, it turns out. In a piece of news that has rocked the American gay scene, Silo recently left Roy and is now with a female. “Her name is Scrappy,” Rob Gramzay, the zoo’s senior penguin keeper, told the Chicago Tribune last week. “They had an egg. It didn’t work out and they might try again.”

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[Franconicus]

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[Adrian II]

:end:Eh?

[Franconicus]

Adrian, the penguins are ugly. I am sure our US neocon friends will immidiatelly send some carriers to nuke them! Is there oil?

[Crazed Rabbit]

I've heard nothing of Christians upholding March of the Penguins. Probably just ole Andy Sullivan looking for another straw man to get in a fight with.

Crazed Rabbit

[English assassin]

Only in New York could a gay penguin couple adopt a baby penguin, get a book in the shops, and then have one of them run off with a lady penguin in "a piece of news that has rocked the American gay scene". Roy the Penguin must surely have a chat show, or at the least an exercise video, coming out soon?

Love it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I hear the movie March of the Penguins has been a U.S. summer box-office hit. Has any of you seen it?

I also hear that American Christians are promoting it as the best thing that happened to the cinema after Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ. The penguins are held up as models of monogamy, child-rearing, love and sacrifice, even as proof of Intelligent Design. March of the Penguins is nothing but a sneak, covert attack on American family values. That horde of conservative opinion makers think they're celebrating a movie advocating conservative values of love and devotion.

What they're really showing their children, is a dubbed French movie - La Marche de l'Empereur - about homosexual, gender-bending penguins, products of evolutionary trial-and-error. :sneaky: ~;p

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Gah!!!!!!


Seamus

[Don Corleone]

March of the Penguins is nothing but a sneak, covert attack on American family values. That horde of conservative opinion makers think they're celebrating a movie advocating conservative values of love and devotion.

What they're really showing their children, is a dubbed French movie - La Marche de l'Empereur - about homosexual, gender-bending penguins, products of evolutionary trial-and-error. :sneaky: ~;p

I knew it!!! You damned French are soooo sneaky! :smartass2: I bet you invented the 'gay germ' :biker: in the first place.

[Adrian II]

I knew it!!! You damned French are soooo sneaky! :smartass2: I bet you invented the 'gay germ' :biker: in the first place.They didn't have a term at first because they were all gay so nobody noticed! :smartass2:

[Big_John]

pfft.. alexander the great invented the gay. why do you think they called him "the great"? i think hitler was trying to invent a new kind of the gay, before we dropped the hammer on his ass.. maybe his evil experimental research found it's way into the dark laboratories underneath paris.... !? ~:eek:

[Don Corleone]

I know HOW you meant the figure of speech, but talk about double entendre .... 'we dropped the hammer on his ass' when discussing Hitler's gayness. Especially coming from a guy named Big John.

(My apologies to any homosexual patrons in the backroom that don't find our adolescant humor all that amusing. I just couldn't resist that last one).

[Navaros]

Gay marriage has apparently been around a lot longer than many of us believed.


there is no basis at all for the extrapolation made by this statement

penguins - as they originally existed - were most definitely never "gay"

if there are indeed "gay penguins", then they got that way only by all the toxins and nuclear crap that mankind has put in their air, food, and water supply which has thusly ruined part of their wiring

[Big_John]

but talk about double entendrehey, in my case.. it's a triple entendre.. at least! know what i mean? :wink3:








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[Goofball]

there is no basis at all for the extrapolation made by this statement

penguins - as they originally existed - were most definitely never "gay"

if there are indeed "gay penguins", then they got that way only by all the toxins and nuclear crap that mankind has put in their air, food, and water supply which has thusly ruined part of their wiring

Nav, without a doubt, you are my favorite poster in the Org. Happy Friday (and happy payday, if your pay schedule happens to be the same as mine). Have a good weekend, my friend...

~:cheers:

[Lazul]

Gay marriage has apparently been around a lot longer than many of us believed. So they brought in four, er, birds from Sweden to try to wean the gay penguins into reproducing.

what the, we dont have penguins in Emperor Penguins in Sweden!....aha, zoo's.

Well anyway, ive read about this movie in swedish news as well, I dont really see why christians like penguins. They are not in the Bible... :book:
... and they are just as gay (=not as in happy) as us. Also, compared to us Humans, they are kinda stupid.

[Don Corleone]

When Shakespeare came up with that line "I am as constant as the Northern Star" in Julius Caesar, he was really talking about Navaros.

[PanzerJaeger]

I also hear that American Christians are promoting it as the best thing that happened to the cinema after Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ. The penguins are held up as models of monogamy, child-rearing, love and sacrifice, even as proof of Intelligent Design. Andrew Sullivan of The Times effectively shreds these notions in a rather funny piece.

What the hell? Who are these american Christians you anti-christian crusadors keep bringing up to criticize? I dont even know anyone whose seen "March of the Penguins" and ive certainly never heard any Christians trying to make a religious or sociological point about the movie.

By the way, I live in the heart of the Southern Baptist world. Where are these rabid "American Christians"? ~:confused:

[Zharakov]

What is worng with teaching about God? Is it a crime? Or is it just to much Freedom for some people...


Besides... Pangins are for eating... ~D

[Goofball]

What the hell? Who are these american Christians you anti-christian crusadors keep bringing up to criticize? I dont even know anyone whose seen "March of the Penguins" and ive certainly never heard any Christians trying to make a religious or sociological point about the movie.

By the way, I live in the heart of the Southern Baptist world. Where are these rabid "American Christians"? ~:confused:

Anti-Christian Crusaders?

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[Crazed Rabbit]

Illiberal liberals might be a better term.

Crazed Rabbit

[PanzerJaeger]

Anti-Christian Crusaders?

The phrase was intentional. The misspelling was.. sadly.. not. :shame:

[Xiahou]

What the hell? Who are these american Christians you anti-christian crusadors keep bringing up to criticize? I dont even know anyone whose seen "March of the Penguins" and ive certainly never heard any Christians trying to make a religious or sociological point about the movie.

By the way, I live in the heart of the Southern Baptist world. Where are these rabid "American Christians"? ~:confused:Yeah, first I've heard of it too. Being a conservative Catholic, I heard alot about the Passion (never saw it), but I havent heard a thing about this movie. Im with CR, sounds like a strawman.

[bmolsson]

Geez... Now we have a penguin thread turning in to democrats-rebuplican thread.......

[Soulforged]

Geez... Now we have a penguin thread turning in to democrats-rebuplican thread....... ~:cheers: , yeh!! If th christians talk so much about freedom of speech (wich i agree totally), then why don't take this with humor...jesus... ~D. For what I know there are many animals with "gay" customs...(if you can call a thing gay)

[Strike For The South]

By the way, I live in the heart of the Southern Baptist world. Where are these rabid "American Christians"? ~:confused:

Come to my church they are there if only for comical relif ~:cheers:

[Tribesman]

I've heard nothing of Christians upholding March of the Penguins.

What the hell? Who are these american Christians you anti-christian crusadors keep bringing up to criticize? I dont even know anyone whose seen "March of the Penguins" and ive certainly never heard any Christians trying to make a religious or sociological point about the movie.

Yeah, first I've heard of it too. Being a conservative Catholic, I heard alot about the Passion (never saw it), but I havent heard a thing about this movie. Im with CR, sounds like a strawman.

Right , so none of you have read about it in the Christian Science Monitor ?
National Review ?
NY Times ?
Christian World Magazine?
What about on WorldNetDaily ?

They all carried articles in praise of the films message of either intelligent design , monogamy , family values and Gods message or a combination of them .

Who are these American Christians ?
Well if you go to the Churches Network of Ohio perhaps you can avail of one of their block bookings of tickets to see the film .
If you go to lionsofgod.com you can download a form to fill in about Gods message in the film (but do please try and ignore the line in the film where it talks of millions of years , as the earth isn't that old~;) ) .

Geez... Now we have a penguin thread turning in to democrats-rebuplican thread.......
Perfect ~D ~D ~D Thanks .
If you want the Republican view on this film then you should have attended the Young Republicans meeting where Rich Lowry (editor of National Review) gave a nice little address on the message the film gave on monogamy and family values .

[Seamus Fermanagh]

We really need a penguin smiley for this thread.

Seamus

[Xiahou]

Right , so none of you have read about it in the Christian Science Monitor ?
National Review ?
NY Times ?
Christian World Magazine?
What about on WorldNetDaily ?

Nope, hadn't seen anything in any of those about it.

They all carried articles in praise of the films message of either intelligent design , monogamy , family values and Gods message or a combination of them .Really? I checked a little and couldnt find squat about it at the NRO site, and the only thing I could find from Christian Science Monitor was a movie review which gave it a paltry 2 out of 5- one of the complaints being how the movie tried to show penguins as seeing the world in human terms.

Passion of the Christ? Please. Again, to say it is being pushed by Christians on anything close to the same level is a total distortion. I stick by my earlier straw man statement.


Geez... Now we have a penguin thread turning in to democrats-rebuplican thread.......Turning into one? It was started as one. Look at the poor dumb Christians they think penguins are role models. :dizzy2:

[Tribesman]

and the only thing I could find from Christian Science Monitor was a movie review
Would that be an article from the 8th titled
"Penguin Parenting and the Motherhood of God" ?

[Reverend Joe]

GAH! Give it up! You peopel insist upon turning everything into a debate back here!

Also, I personally do not want to see either "The Passion" or "March of the Penguins", but not because of any lefty-righty crap- I don't want to see them because they look HORRIBLE. They look like a snuff film and a collection of meaningless garbage, respectively.

But that joke about bringing the hammer down on Louis's ass was pretty funny.

[Tribesman]

GAH! Give it up! You peopel insist upon turning everything into a debate back here!
Its fun isn't it ~;)
Anyway to push the boat out even further .
What is the messsage in the film about abortion ?
Yes thats right , a film about penguins contains messages about abortion :dizzy2: According to some conservatine writers anyway ~D ~D ~D

Strawmen indeed , where do these publication find all these dummies ~:eek:

[Adrian II]

Would that be an article from the 8th titled
"Penguin Parenting and the Motherhood of God" ? ~D
If only our friends from across the blue divide would read a bit more, they would see many Christian outlets promoting the movie. Michael Medved himself said in an interview that it is 'the motion picture this summer that most passionately affirms traditional norms like monogamy, sacrifice and child rearing. (..) This is the "Passion of the Penguins".' And National Review editor Rich Lowry tells young conservatives': 'You have to check out "March of the Penguins". It is an amazing movie. And I have to say, penguins are the really ideal example of monogamy. These things - the dedication of these birds is just amazing.'

Anyway, it is the best selling documentary after Fahreneit 9-11. The remarkable thing is that this movie, which was meant by director Luc Jacquet to serve one superstition, i.e. to warn against man-made global warming, is now serving another, i.e. Intelligent Design. It seems the movie starts with the words 'For millions of years they have made their home on the darkest, driest, windiest and coldest continent on earth. And they've done so pretty much alone.'

Millions of years, eh? So much for Christian creationism.

[Meneldil]

Hum, what about that (http://www.christiananswers.net/spotlight/movies/2005/marchofthepenguins2005.html), and that (http://www.cinematical.com/2005/09/13/conservatives-just-wild-about-penguins/#comments), that (http://www.cacradicalgrace.org/getconnected/rr_thoughts/RRohr-March_of_the_Penguins.pdf)

ROFL, that's really hilarious. Either the american translation is badly screwed up or the right wing religious fanatics are really looking for something to push their agenda.

[Bartix]

The violence in the film is brief and mild, only depicting what truly happens in nature.
~:eek: :dizzy2: ~:confused: ~D
There is very much unbrief, unmild violence happens in nature!!!

[Louis VI the Fat]

ROFL, that's really hilarious. Either the american translation is badly screwed up or the right wing religious fanatics are really looking for something to push their agenda.Well, in the American version they did edit out all the fowl language... ~;)


edit: sorry, a bad pun that I couldn't resist...

[Geoffrey S]

Looks like a cool film, and that snow joke.

[Adrian II]

Well, in the American version they did edit out all the fowl language... ~;)


edit: sorry, a bad pun that I couldn't resist...Je préfère la version d'Anatole France.. http://matousmileys.free.fr/pingou.gif

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Moderators:

This penguin must be added to the list of Smilies -- at least for formal occasions. ~;)

Seamus

[Adrian II]

Moderators:

This penguin must be added to the list of Smilies -- at least for formal occasions. ~;)

SeamusDude, that would be awesome http://forum.crystalxp.net/style_emoticons/default/pen.gif

[Louis VI the Fat]

More cute pingouins portraying traditional family values...

http://www.20six.fr/pub/Phersu/pingouins.gif


http://idata.over-blog.com/0/01/48/68/video/pingouin.gif


Edit: :furious3: , link doesn't work.
Edit2: try another one.

[Tribesman]

If only our friends from across the blue divide would read a bit more
I couln't believe the article linking the film to abortion .
Abortion is wrong because penguins don't have abortions !!!!!!
Damn crazy people :dizzy2:
Driving cars is wrong because penguins don't drive cars ~D

[BDC]

Real men huddle in big groups to keep warm too...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Je préfère la version d'Anatole France.. http://matousmileys.free.fr/pingou.gif

Et moi, je préfère un jeu de Ping-Pown: ~;)


http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Pingouins/0208.gif

[A.Saturnus]

I wonder what Microsoft would have to say to that all...

[Geoffrey S]

http://davelane.roboshuffle.org/i/pingu.jpg
Pingu! Brings back childhood memories.