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Productivity
10-01-2005, 15:22
Again :blank2: :sad2:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4300274.stm
Radier
10-01-2005, 15:32
Will it never stop!? :furious3:
Papewaio
10-01-2005, 21:37
Not as long as you get 15 years for carrying 2 ecstasy tablets in Indonesia and 2 years for being the spiritual leader or terrorists (and providing the school in which they all trained and planned) etc etc
Quietus
10-01-2005, 21:52
When will these idiots relent....
Marcellus
10-01-2005, 23:37
My deepest sympathies go out to all those affected by the bombings.
Red Harvest
10-02-2005, 01:37
This really sucks for Bali. I've heard it is a terrific place. More Jambalaya Ishmail at it again (yes, I know that isn't how its spelled...just seems to fit better.)

I wonder if they will separate from Indonesia? I can't imagine what benefit being part of that basket case of a country has for them.
bmolsson
10-02-2005, 04:53
Not as long as you get 15 years for carrying 2 ecstasy tablets in Indonesia and 2 years for being the spiritual leader or terrorists (and providing the school in which they all trained and planned) etc etc

FYI its death penalty for terrorism in Indonesia. The bombers of the Australian Embassy got death a few weeks ago.
bmolsson
10-02-2005, 05:00
The latest news says 26 dead and counting. Initially news said it was 5 bombs, but it has now been confirmed that it was 3, of which the one at a local seafood restaurant at the Matahari market was the largest one.

Nobody has yet taken any responsibility, but nobody expect anything else than the Indonesians and Malaysians still on the run.
Papewaio
10-02-2005, 05:03
FYI its death penalty for terrorism in Indonesia. The bombers of the Australian Embassy got death a few weeks ago.

Not all of them, most have far softer sentences then drug mules, nor do I want a death penalty for the terrorists, just a long stretch in jail with the only time out to do pig herding not going to Starbucks.
bmolsson
10-02-2005, 05:23
Not all of them, most have far softer sentences then drug mules, nor do I want a death penalty for the terrorists, just a long stretch in jail with the only time out to do pig herding not going to Starbucks.

The sentence against Abu Bakar Basyir wasn't terrorism, which you have referred to before. Furthermore, the druglaws here are insane, just as in any other country, but I fail to see any connection between those and the current bombings.
Strike For The South
10-02-2005, 05:58
Agh it rears it ugly head agian:embarassed:
bmolsson
10-03-2005, 03:15
They have shown an amatuer video on local TV where a guy walks in to the restaurant walks around and places himself close to a crowded table and blow himself up. Very scary and clearly a suicide bomber........
Seamus Fermanagh
10-03-2005, 03:31
They have shown an amatuer video on local TV where a guy walks in to the restaurant walks around and places himself close to a crowded table and blow himself up. Very scary and clearly a suicide bomber........

Sorry B', these incidents are a plague on all of us.

Sadly, to answer the question posted earlier in 3 or 4 variations:

It will stop when they have won or died -- the terrorists are perfect little Spartans on that score. Moreover, we not only need to send home the current generation "on" their shields, but aggressively counter their twisted vision of the future with a better idea -- always the hardest aspect of this type of struggle.

Seamus
Roark
10-04-2005, 01:48
They have shown an amatuer video on local TV where a guy walks in to the restaurant walks around and places himself close to a crowded table and blow himself up. Very scary and clearly a suicide bomber........

I found it extremely disturbing...

I'm glad that (apparently) none of your were friends involved, dude...

It doesn't even seem to be directed killing anymore. Just mindless destruction.

This is gonna kill the tourism industry over there. A lot of Muslims, Hindus and Christians will suffer alike...
TonkaToys
10-04-2005, 14:11
Bali is such a lovely place, with the most tolerant of the Indonesian peoples on it. It seems a shame that they should suffer these outrages because their peaceful island attracts western holiday makers.

I expect the terrorists are not local Balinese (Hindu IIRC) but probably Javanese (Muslim). What is your opinion Bmolsson?
Leet Eriksson
10-04-2005, 15:06
2 terrorists identified are malaysians, there could be indonesians aswell.
bmolsson
10-05-2005, 03:42
The terrorist are without any doubt muslims. There are some rather fanatic muslims on Bali and Lombok, but as faisal says, the master minds are most problably Malaysians with recruits from Java.
The Balinese already started to protest the long awaited executions of the 2002 bombers and I am sure that the Balinese soon will get rougher......
Quietus
10-05-2005, 07:32
I don't get it? ~:confused: What's the political point of the bombing in Indonesia? What's the "message", at least.
Fragony
10-05-2005, 11:12
Indonesia had it comming for sure, I am sure these attacks will stop if they remove their troops from Iraq.
bmolsson
10-05-2005, 11:41
I don't get it? ~:confused: What's the political point of the bombing in Indonesia? What's the "message", at least.

They want to create secular conflicts. If Indonesia falls apart, you will have at least one fanatic little state that they can prey on......
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-05-2005, 22:03
My cousin just left where they bombed a day before it happened. Needless to say, his Inbox was rather full. ~;)
Papewaio
10-06-2005, 04:14
Indonesia is to secular for the extremists.

Bali has the most western tourists and a large non-muslim population... so the extremists are not worried about hurting the locals to attack the foreigners.

The extremists on the other hand have chosen in the past not to hit mine sites in Java, Sumatra and Borneo due to the high percentage of workers who are muslim there.

So the extremists are not trying to alienate the muslim population, they are trying to get rid of anyone who is not and create a more fundamentalist country.
Crazed Rabbit
10-06-2005, 04:21
Good luck and may God Bless all the victims of this terrible act.

A very good article on this incident, and how Islamic terrorism will not stop until they have turned the entire world into an Islamo-Facist state or die trying:

By Mark Steyn, one of my favorite coloumnists and very witty. (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16801982%255E7583,00.html)


So even Muslims v (your team here) doesn't quite cover it. You don't have to have a team or even be aware that you belong to any side. You can be a hippie-dippy hey-man-I-love-everybody-whatever-your-bag-is-cool backpacking Dutch stoner, and they'll blow you up with as much enthusiasm as if you were Dick Cheney. As a spokesman for the Islamic Army of Aden put it in 2002, explaining why they bombed a French oil tanker: "We would have preferred to hit a US frigate, but no problem because they are all infidels."

No problem. In our time, even the most fascistic ideologies have been savvy enough to cover their darker impulses in sappy labels. The Soviet bloc was comprised of wall-to-wall "people's republics", which is the precise opposite of what they were: a stylistic audacity Orwell caught perfectly in 1984, with its Ministry of Truth (that is, official lies). But the Islamists don't even bother going through the traditional rhetorical feints. They say what they mean and they mean what they say. "We are here as on a darkling plain ..." wrote Matthew Arnold in the famous concluding lines to Dover Beach, "where ignorant armies clash by night".

But we choose in large part to stay in ignorance. Blow up the London Underground during a G8 summit and the world's leaders twitter about how tragic and ironic it is that this should have happened just as they're taking steps to deal with the issues, as though the terrorists are upset about poverty in Africa and global warming.

So, even in a great blinding flash of clarity, we can't wait to switch the lights off and go back to fumbling around on the darkling plain. Bali three years ago and Bali three days ago light up the sky: they make unavoidable the truth that Islamism is a classic "armed doctrine"; it exists to destroy.

Crazed Rabbit
AntiochusIII
10-06-2005, 07:36
Southeast Asia is seeing the rise on terrorism.

Of course, Indonesia, as a melting pot of contrasting interests (and sub-cultures) held together by a corrupt regime, is going to suffer the worst of it.

The Muslims in the area vary greatly in opinions, or at least, varied. Most were moderates, but more and more are falling prey to the propaganda. These arseholes-of-a-terrorist deserve nothing less than death. Real, outright death. No wasting time on torture and pointless concepts of revenge. Just kill them. They're among the few who I advocate outright incarceration. They're not "another culture" that "we should respect." They're the extremists who will eliminate other cultures if they could, and thus a threat to both Globalism and other nations (or their own nations') sovereignty. They do not have any real plan for the world but to impose themselves on others; they and their twisted beliefs--if they win, they will not survive as a political force in any future--but they must never win (and thus they live. Ha! The irony). Most Muslims I know don't like them, some complains that they are ruining Islam. Not just the image of it, but the religion itself.

bmolsson, do you have any information if this is the work of the JI group or others have come out to declare responsibility?
bmolsson
10-06-2005, 12:30
Of course, Indonesia, as a melting pot of contrasting interests (and sub-cultures) held together by a corrupt regime, is going to suffer the worst of it.


I think that the largest reason for Indonesia being hit hard is the relax culture, weak military and police and current high unemployment. The regime is corrupt alright, but the real reason for easy lane for terrorist is more the inefficient and incompetent security machine. The democratic reforms and free media has made their work difficult, now you can't beat the shit out of witness and suspects.........



bmolsson, do you have any information if this is the work of the JI group or others have come out to declare responsibility?


Nobody has taken any responsibility, but JI is pointed out and the sucide bombers has been identified as JI members. The police published pictures of the severed heads and asked "Do you know who this man is?". I don't think it will be so easy to recruit new bombers for a while......