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scooter_the_shooter
10-01-2005, 21:01
What do you think of militias? Are they crazy fools who need to be thrown in jail? Or are they the defenders of freedom?
I think if you find a good one (not the crazy neo Nazi maniac one you usually find) they are one of the best things in this country today and I encourage you to join. I think good ones are hard to find and many do more harm then good. (Ever hear of Timothy McVeigh :help: he was in a militia)
I would like to join one some day as long as they are not just military oriented. For example some militias go look for missing children and help with disasters, some even have people on the southern border stopping illegals(although that’s not legal... they go a bit farther then the minute men~;))
Soulforged
10-01-2005, 21:39
What do you think of militias? Are they crazy fools who need to be thrown in jail? Or are they the defenders of freedom? Neither, they're obsolete and innefective. They're probably crazy, but we should put them in jail only if they damage other's people rights. Defenders of freedom? Ha! Probably they don't even know what the word means...
I think if you find a good one (not the crazy neo Nazi maniac one you usually find) they are one of the best things in this country today and I encourage you to join. I think good ones are hard to find and many do more harm then good. (Ever hear of Timothy McVeigh :help: he was in a militia) Personally I wouldn't join any group who encourages the use of weapons.
solypsist
10-01-2005, 21:45
Militias:
Official army reserves comprised of non-soldiers: no problem with it
A private, self-created, non-government force: I have a problem with it.
Tribesman
10-01-2005, 21:53
Join this one Ceasar ,,,,
http://www.geocities.com/beaver_militia/
Del Arroyo
10-01-2005, 22:00
I think that if they have the balls to defy the federal government then they should have the balls to die like dogs.
Just my .02
DA
Soulforged
10-01-2005, 22:06
Join this one Ceasar ,,,,
http://www.geocities.com/beaver_militia/
WOW What retrograde ideas...:dizzy2:
Marcellus
10-01-2005, 23:35
The word 'militia' only has negative connotations for me. But then that might just be me.
ShadesPanther
10-02-2005, 00:28
The American "Militias" would be called Paramilitaries where I live and paramilitaries are not a good thing.
What do you think of militias?
If they follow the laws, they can do whatever they want. ~:cheers:
Kaiser of Arabia
10-02-2005, 01:35
I'm forming one.
Gawain of Orkeny
10-02-2005, 01:42
Isnt the government supposed to be afraid of the people or is it the other way around. People count on government far too much nowdays in everything they do.
LeftEyeNine
10-02-2005, 01:45
As long as some miliitas are called "freedom fighters" by others, they are practically terrorists..~:cool:
they are the only thing worse then nutjobs......organized nutjobs...~:eek:
AntiochusIII
10-02-2005, 02:34
As long as some miliitas are called "freedom fighters" by others, they are practically terrorists..~:cool: :yes: ~D
Militias Today: the army won't accept them; they're tired of shooting and hunting other animals, so now they're looking to shoot humans. :dizzy2:
Bunch'a freaks, if you ask me.
Reverend Joe
10-02-2005, 03:19
Join this one Ceasar ,,,,
http://www.geocities.com/beaver_militia/
I like that milita!:charge: :duel:
~D
Alexander the Pretty Good
10-02-2005, 04:32
If by "militia" you mean a bunch of guys with guns who go out shooting at targets and complaining about the government over a few beers, I don't have a single problem.
If they do something illegal, then lock them up, like anyone else. Duh.
Though I think they take a fear of government (healthy in moderation) to a level of paranoia. At least the stereotypical militias do.
master of the puppets
10-02-2005, 04:42
militias are pointless now adays, america is invaded lets say aand suddenly me and all my freinds and all my weapons would be heading fast as our cars can take us to shoot some a-holes.
bmolsson
10-02-2005, 04:46
The militias in Iraq doesn't seem like a good idea and I think they are rather universal. Just give them a crazy idea to fight for and they will just for the fun of it.......
Ianofsmeg16
10-02-2005, 09:52
I think militias are alright, as was stated earlier some help find missing persons and defend your border, it's just when they get power hungry that they abuse their power. My opinion, give them more discipline, kinda like our Territorial army, you would still be civilians, but you'd train and get payed like army folks
The_Doctor
10-02-2005, 10:05
When somebody says "militia" I think of hoplites and pre-marian Roman Legions.
InsaneApache
10-02-2005, 10:22
Why on Earth would anyone countenence the thought of even joining a militia is beyond my ken ~:confused:
Totally alien to the English culture.
Ironside
10-02-2005, 10:27
Let me put it this way ceasar010:
You have severe problem finding any decent militia it seems. Those few decent militias that exist can be good in helping with things that you don't need a militia for, but only an organised group.
What's then the point of the militia? Have some target practicing and then complain how bad the goverment over a few beers?
scooter_the_shooter
10-02-2005, 12:41
I want the Militia I join to meet these needs.
IS paranoid about the government,,,,Because I don't like big governemnt.
Has NO ties to the kkk, storm front, or the federal government.
does other things for the community.
Is not that big (if you join a militia big brother will be watching you....so it has to be an under the radar one)
Has guns but not too over throw the government. After watching katrina on tv....It would be a very good thing to be in an armed group for defence.
Is organized....not a bunch of guys in army fatiuges running around with an sks.
It can have ties to the state government...these tend to be the less extreme ones
Cannot want to trade what we have now for something that really is to powerful.
As far as I know it doesn't exist.
( I know I probably miss spelled alot of words....what happened to the spell checker?)
The problem with many of the militias that are formed is not that they are illegal - but that they are formed for reasons not of addressing governmental overstepping the bounds of its authority.
A site - I hope it doesn't violate the rules - if it does please delete the link
http://users.mo-net.com/mlindste/llinks.html
The only Militia I know of that is above all this is the one out of Missouri.
If they are not part of the Army (as the national guard is) they must be forecebly disbanded, and there leaders charged with inciting rebellion. Oh and size all the weapons they have. If you tolerate these paramilitary groups you are asking for trouble. This is one of those situatios were tolerating the good ones proglemates the bad ones. So they all have to go.
Kaiser of Arabia
10-02-2005, 16:04
If they are not part of the Army (as the national guard is) they must be forecebly disbanded, and there leaders charged with inciting rebellion. Oh and size all the weapons they have. If you tolerate these paramilitary groups you are asking for trouble. This is one of those situatios were tolerating the good ones proglemates the bad ones. So they all have to go.
*claps* Heil Lars!
It was a militia that formed this great nation, not a regular army. It has been militias that fought for freedom during the birth of our state. And I'll be damned if they'll take that away.
Allowing an overbearing, Stalinistic government like we did under the Clinton Administration will be the downfall of our nation. And we need people willing to fight for our freedom. The regulars won't, they'll follow the government into hell if they have to. But the people must, and if we outlaw all miltias, why don't we outlaw all organized groups? There's no way to be sure they aren't organizing against the government. Better yet, make it illegal to go out in groups of over 3 people. I'll be damned if I'll let a group of no-gooders overthrow the govenrment!
Taking away our freedom, as guarneteed in the 2nd amendment, is just one step into becoming the People's Republik of America.
Militias served their purpose they like appointed senators are institutions of a bygone centuries. Forming any other kind of group is fine but the second you start calling yourself a militia you've gone from a club to a paramilitary terrorist organization. Funny how you Yanks are willing to tolerate terrorist (or potentially terrorist) groups of your own citizens but not those of other nations.
Soulforged
10-02-2005, 16:46
It was a militia that formed this great nation, not a regular army. It has been militias that fought for freedom during the birth of our state. And I'll be damned if they'll take that away.Why will you be damned do you think that they're a real power right now? I don't think so.
Allowing an overbearing, Stalinistic government like we did under the Clinton Administration will be the downfall of our nation. And we need people willing to fight for our freedom. The regulars won't, they'll follow the government into hell if they have to. But the people must, and if we outlaw all miltias, why don't we outlaw all organized groups? There's no way to be sure they aren't organizing against the government. Better yet, make it illegal to go out in groups of over 3 people. I'll be damned if I'll let a group of no-gooders overthrow the govenrment!Ha! It's really a joy seeing how you talk so much about Stalinistic governement, when in fact all begun with a revolution. The seize of weapons on control by the government has a point, that's that no one that can take over them can't do it, it's for your own safety, now if you want to take over them and create a second civil war, then go ahead and install Communism, don't waste a second opportunity,or maybe anarchism. What you're proposing is very similar to a type of "weapons anarchism". This groups have weapons Kaiser, FIRE WEAPONS!!!
Taking away our freedom, as guarneteed in the 2nd amendment, is just one step into becoming the People's Republik of America.Well your country is a republic.
And caesar10 the link that Tribesman gave is one of the militias that you're looking for, just one thing they don't one any member with blue hair.:dizzy2:
scooter_the_shooter
10-02-2005, 18:38
Soul.....one of the reasons we have guns IS to take over the government when need be!
Soulforged
10-02-2005, 19:20
Soul.....one of the reasons we have guns IS to take over the government when need be!
Yes I know, what I fail to see is how militias can achieve something like that. As I see it militias were necessary when your country was forming so no one could take all powers on himself. Now I really don't see the point, the government is formed, you've elections, free press, well at least this is all formalities, but what's the point of another formality? (i.e militias) Because I don't think that militias pass beyond formalism. On the other hand every militia is a potential risk to the stability of the nation itself, not to say the safety of a town. Personally I'll like to see every government, every nation, to disarm themselves, instead of creating inefective militias to take over them.
ShadesPanther
10-02-2005, 19:23
also those hunting rifles will be very usefull against tanks, attack helicpters and bombers
scooter_the_shooter
10-02-2005, 19:27
Just because something has not happened yet does not mean it will.
And just because the militias might lose does that mean we should throw down our guns.....say the police will protect us and disarm the militias?
In the USA you can own an ar15, ak47, tommy gun, mp5, sks, m1a, fal, and all sorts of hand guns like glocks, sigs, berettas, the list is endless!
Soulforged
10-02-2005, 19:29
also those hunting rifles will be very usefull against tanks, attack helicpters and bombers
Yes but elsewhere someone proposed that the second amendment gives you the right to posess tanks, helicopters, flamethrowers and bazookas.:dizzy2: So for him that rule doesn't applies. I would love to see what chaos takes over if everybody has some kind of weapon with that power of destruction.
King Henry V
10-02-2005, 19:37
A government regulated group of part time soldiers devoted to the defense of the country is not a bad idea, so long as the weapons are the property of the state and can be withdrawn at any moment. However, militiamen should not be allowed to take the guns home or use it in any other manner than in the context of the militia.
ShadesPanther
10-02-2005, 20:36
Yes but elsewhere someone proposed that the second amendment gives you the right to posess tanks, helicopters, flamethrowers and bazookas.:dizzy2: So for him that rule doesn't applies. I would love to see what chaos takes over if everybody has some kind of weapon with that power of destruction.
Screw that I want an A bomb ~;)
Papewaio
10-02-2005, 20:38
Well I will go and get an H-bomb, or go really un-dirty and get a neutron bomb... but very few nations would even stoop that low.
Soulforged
10-02-2005, 20:44
A government regulated group of part time soldiers devoted to the defense of the country is not a bad idea, so long as the weapons are the property of the state and can be withdrawn at any moment. However, militiamen should not be allowed to take the guns home or use it in any other manner than in the context of the militia.
And what is the context of the militia? The statutes that they propose? I don't think so. And if we amplify that context (if it's useless) then what will result. Because the main point of every supporter here is that the militia has an eternal and inmemorial right to fight the state when it becomes too porweful, not allowing the militia to get outside that context will make this purpose useless, but amplifing the context will carry many unwanted consecuences, for example the impunity of some actions. No I think that they're obsolete, no group that encourages the use of guns is healthy, if the government want to allow it, fine, but their activities should be limited to shoot emptied cans or bottles.
Kralizec
10-02-2005, 20:54
Edit: sorry, this should have gone in the 2nd amendment thread
King Henry V
10-02-2005, 21:05
And what is the context of the militia? The statutes that they propose? I don't think so. And if we amplify that context (if it's useless) then what will result. Because the main point of every supporter here is that the militia has an eternal and inmemorial right to fight the state when it becomes too porweful, not allowing the militia to get outside that context will make this purpose useless, but amplifing the context will carry many unwanted consecuences, for example the impunity of some actions. No I think that they're obsolete, no group that encourages the use of guns is healthy, if the government want to allow it, fine, but their activities should be limited to shoot emptied cans or bottles.
The context of a militia is to defend their country in a time of need. They should be used as part time soldiers.
Soulforged
10-02-2005, 21:12
The context of a militia is to defend their country in a time of need. They should be used as part time soldiers.
So you're saying that they're no more than other dogs of war. Well then you're against any other supporter, unless that's that I've msinterpreted the meaning of "country".
King Henry V
10-02-2005, 21:20
Really? Well my vies seem to fit quite well with what Ian of Smeg says.
Militias were useful when all anyone had was an inaccurate musket and a bayonet, and when the political situation was unstable and new. Now everything is established, stable, and more to the point, half trained men with guns are useless militarily and a risk anyway. You trust young men with guns and people will die.
Soulforged
10-02-2005, 22:15
Really? Well my vies seem to fit quite well with what Ian of Smeg says.
Well Henry you'll notice that that doesn't change my arguments at all. The question remains: Do the militias achieve their purpose right now or are they just a bunch of problems?
Join this one Ceasar ,,,,
http://www.geocities.com/beaver_militia/
LOL! That is right where I was today!
bmolsson
10-03-2005, 03:06
Soul.....one of the reasons we have guns IS to take over the government when need be!
Lucky us that you where not born in Fallujah...... ~:grouphug:
Lucky us that you where not born in Fallujah...... ~:grouphug:
:laugh4:
Seamus Fermanagh
10-03-2005, 03:38
I would think more of militias if militias emphasized thinking more.
As it is, too many of them are yahoos with little value. The idea of an armed citizenry coming together to defend itself has appeal, but would only make sense if gun ownership -- and training -- were mandatory (which may be worth considering).
Seamus
The vast majority of militiamen are people who entertain a romantic view of warfare and don't have the stones/can't find the time/are too preoccupied to join a proper military unit. Such as the Army. Or the Air Force. Or the Marines. You know, people actually defending the nation and its ideals. Either that or veterans out of the service looking for a surrogate social life.
The fact is, most people want the glory of defending their nation with the minimum of time, effort, exercise, and exposure to enemy fire.
And these few, these proud militiamen, who selflessly give up their weekends in the service of freedom, are all that stand between us and the vast predations of a freedom-hating government elected by our own people. God only knows that I sleep better at night knowing that these watchdogs of liberty are standing guard, rifle firmly clenched in one hand, and beer securely held in the other. Carry on gentlemen, carry on.
Divinus Arma
10-03-2005, 09:48
Join this one Ceasar ,,,,
http://www.geocities.com/beaver_militia/
The "Beaver County Militia" is a militia for those that are "non violent", but are militant about being "non violent". And will fight to the death to stay "non violent."
hahahahahahaha LOL!!!:rolleyes2: :rolleyes4: :rolleyes5: :laugh: :laugh:
Divinus Arma
10-03-2005, 09:49
The vast majority of militiamen are people who entertain a romantic view of warfare and don't have the stones/can't find the time/are too preoccupied to join a proper military unit. Such as the Army. Or the Air Force. Or the Marines. You know, people actually defending the nation and its ideals. Either that or veterans out of the service looking for a surrogate social life.
The fact is, most people want the glory of defending their nation with the minimum of time, effort, exercise, and exposure to enemy fire.
And these few, these proud militiamen, who selflessly give up their weekends in the service of freedom, are all that stand between us and the vast predations of a freedom-hating government elected by our own people. God only knows that I sleep better at night knowing that these watchdogs of liberty are standing guard, rifle firmly clenched in one hand, and beer securely held in the other. Carry on gentlemen, carry on.
Carry on. I'll be in the area all day.~D
Tribesman
10-03-2005, 10:49
Ceasar , why not form your own militia ?
This crowd are offering you the oppertunity on a franchise basis~;)
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/militia/militiainc.html
yesdachi
10-03-2005, 17:00
Militias are ok~:) . The problem is that there are oddball groups who claim they are militias and are actually misrepresenting themselves and should be categorized as militant gun clubs or something similar, not militias. A militia by definition is…
militia noun. 1 A body of citizens enrolled and drilled in military organizations other than the regular military forces, and called out only in emergencies. 2 U.S. All able-bodied male citizens between eighteen and forty-five years of age not members of the regular military forces.
I think much of what we think we know about militias is based on the medias portrayal of them:freak: . After McVeigh and the Oklahoma bombing and his connection to a militia (in Michigan of all places) the general publics impression of the militia went from, harmless beer drinking hunters and ex-military guys finding something to do so they wont have to help with chores around the house to small armies of paranoid lunatics who are stockpiling guns and bombs to take over the country.
People gather together for a number of reasons, similar interests are a common reason. If people who are interested in the security of our “free State” want to gather together and organize a militia then go for it, that’s great.:balloon2: But when criminals gather together and plan crimes then they are nothing more than “gangs” and should be arrested.
Although militias don’t have the physical power* to fight a war with the military an organized militia does have influence in the community and voting power to help keep the Gov. in line by supporting good legislation and elected officials. Organizing people who are interested in the security of our “free State” is a good thing. Maybe the manner in which the militia is used has changed over the last 200 years but they can still be beneficial.
Perhaps what militias need are more good members.:bow:
Take care when making brash stereotypical comments, unless you have met an actual militia member or have been in a militia you might not really know what you are talking about. :dunce:
* - The US is a vast place and not even our own military could forcibly subjugate the entire country. We’ve seen what a difficult time they have had in Iraq, and Iraq is nowhere near as big as the US. Not that we will have one but our military could never stop a true revolution.
Kagemusha
10-03-2005, 19:01
I would like to give another view on the militias.In a country like mine where the army is conscripted the militia is usefull,for retraining troops wich are not so important to the defence of the Nation.Here in Finland our local militias have organized under one organisation and that organisation works closely together with Finish army.
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