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mynameisjonas
10-06-2005, 15:12
I had read in the manual something about generals carrying special weapons, but have yet to come across this in the game, albeit I haven't played for very long nor looked in the text files. Has anyone run into legendary weapons in the game or in text files?
professorspatula
10-06-2005, 15:35
These 'legendary' weapons appear in the character's retinue list. There aren't many if I recall and they aren't wielded in the actual battle map.
And if I were a betting man I'd say that the legendary weapons might be the Spear of destiny, Thors hammer, and Excalibur.
antisocialmunky
10-06-2005, 21:36
Spear of Destiny as in Lance of Longinus?
Yep that is what I mean. But spear of destiny sound cooler. ~;)
Missed the Sword of Chinglu for the Huns.
Azi Tohak
10-06-2005, 23:00
I'm sad ): Theodosius has not seen anything for the ERE. Best general on the bloody map!
But maybe eventually.
By the way, anyone know what the time limit is on the game? 476AD end date?
Azi
Kekvit Irae
10-06-2005, 23:02
By the way, anyone know what the time limit is on the game? 476AD end date?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=55086
Yes, summer - 476
I just wonder what kind of religous relics are in the game. I really haven't seen any yet. But I've not played the ERE much yet.
Kekvit Irae
10-06-2005, 23:13
At the start of the WRE campaign, in one of the settlements in east Germany (north of Salona), is a general who has the Splinters of the True Holy Cross.
A whole lot of nails and slinters of the holy cross... In my game I could have built several crosses and crucified a similar number of men (nails) with what I have got.
But I have yet to see a single weapon. Perhaps it is more for the WRE or barbs?
Pushed by the rather apparent lack of weapons I looked into the file.
They are there, but they are rater hard to get... Especially the Sword in the Stone, it can't be gotten by anyone as it is set to be given out in turn -726, but then again only Romano-British can get it.
So in terms of weapons I was rather surprised by the lack of them.
Wha I did find was some very interesting ancilliaries. For isntance each ofthe patriarchies can grant a patriarch (I have only gotten the one of Constantinople myself), even the Pope.
Another one I really like is if the father has a bit of paranoia then his son might get an overprotective nanny when he comes of age.
You can even get a praetorian guardsman.
Oh, and both Nestor and Pelagius are possible to pick up.
Kekvit Irae
10-07-2005, 00:09
I am definately liking the new varieties of VnV and ancilliaries. Definately better than all my generals having Drunken Uncles.
I am definately liking the new varieties of VnV and ancilliaries. Definately better than all my generals having Drunken Uncles.
Yes, they are decidedly better... Well at least some of them. There are even anciliaries you almost can't get, like heretics for instance. That shows some effort was put into this.
But I think I have found a small mistake. One of the Nails of he True Cross add +1 to Unrest while all three others grant -2 to Unrest. All the splinters are also uniform, so I wonder why it is different.
False Relic
No idea actually, just throwing out a RPG explanation. ~:)
Pushed by the rather apparent lack of weapons I looked into the file.
They are there, but they are rater hard to get... Especially the Sword in the Stone, it can't be gotten by anyone as it is set to be given out in turn -726, but then again only Romano-British can get it.
So in terms of weapons I was rather surprised by the lack of them.
Wha I did find was some very interesting ancilliaries. For isntance each ofthe patriarchies can grant a patriarch (I have only gotten the one of Constantinople myself), even the Pope.
Another one I really like is if the father has a bit of paranoia then his son might get an overprotective nanny when he comes of age.
You can even get a praetorian guardsman.
Oh, and both Nestor and Pelagius are possible to pick up.
Funny, I've only goten the Patriarch of Antioch so far. I've also had some sons pick up abbots and abbesses. The abbess is the better
one off my ere generals has the sword by witch jesus was stabbed
at the cross.
it gives some nice batlle bonusses.
gigi.
Captain Fishpants
10-07-2005, 09:08
False Relic
No idea actually, just throwing out a RPG explanation. ~:)
Gadzooks! My rpg background coming out unconsciously! ~D
--edited to preserve what little credibility I have as someone who can spell reasonably well and do the grammar thing.~D
unconciously
This is the first time I've seen a misspelled word in a CF post. :dizzy2:
Captain Fishpants
10-07-2005, 11:28
This is the first time I've seen a misspelled word in a CF post. :dizzy2:
After the hundreds of thousands of words I've put in TW products, the fingers are getting tired. And hey! I'm only getting sleep in three or four hour chunks at the moment, thanks to my very young son! ~D
And hey! I'm only getting sleep in three or four hour chunks at the moment, thanks to my very young son! ~D
Ouch... I knew there was a catch somewhere! Good luck raising your new addition to the family. I am confident in that he will make an excellent faction heir!
And to everyone reading this thread and / or trying to carry out a serious discussion, I'm deeply sorry about myself leading the thread off-topic. :stwshame: Have mercy on my soul please!
Wow, can you tell us the traits of your son? I mean besides Blabbermouth (a trait that is inherited from the father).~D ~;)
Now, can you explain why the nails used to pin Jesus' left hand are bad for unrest? Is the left hand cursed or something (damnation, I'm lefthanded)?
Captain Fishpants
10-07-2005, 16:34
Wow, can you tell us the traits of your son? I mean besides Blabbermouth (a trait that is inherited from the father).~D ~;)
Now, can you explain why the nails used to pin Jesus' left hand are bad for unrest? Is the left hand cursed or something (damnation, I'm lefthanded)?
Aha. I've remembered now. Originally there were proper relics and relics that were being passed off as genuine. Also at one point we separated out unrest into three religious flavours, so that it was possible to increase Christian order at the same time as really upsetting the Zoroastrians. These distinctions and detail, however, definitely began to look far too complicated and fiddly and were therefore dropped from the final version. Be thankful for this, as trying to manage three lots of unrest was not fun, it was painful.
Wow, can you tell us the traits of your son? I mean besides Blabbermouth (a trait that is inherited from the father).~D ~;)
Now, can you explain why the nails used to pin Jesus' left hand are bad for unrest? Is the left hand cursed or something (damnation, I'm lefthanded)?
Yes, that is a supersition. But it's not cursed it's just the devil hand. As Lucifer was the left hand of god and Gabriel was the right.
Personally I think the "Made in Sarmatia" stamped on the side of the nail should have been a dead give away that it was a False Relic. ~;)
Teleklos Archelaou
10-07-2005, 18:35
Son of a gun. EB has a few of these in development since the spring that we thought would be a neat new thing to bring to the game. I specialize in Pausanias, and he mentions some relics like the spear of Achilles and the temple it was located in as well as some other ones. That sort of thing. But the 3rd century BC is not littered with very many of them, so we had only gotten some greek ones.
Well, it seems quite appropriate for the BI period too. Good thinking guys. :bow: Glad folks are enjoying them.
rebelscum
10-07-2005, 18:47
Anyone found the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch yet?
A Reading from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:
Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
-- Monty Python, "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"
Aha. I've remembered now. Originally there were proper relics and relics that were being passed off as genuine. Also at one point we separated out unrest into three religious flavours, so that it was possible to increase Christian order at the same time as really upsetting the Zoroastrians. These distinctions and detail, however, definitely began to look far too complicated and fiddly and were therefore dropped from the final version. Be thankful for this, as trying to manage three lots of unrest was not fun, it was painful.
That does sound... ehm rather problematic, so I'm quite thankful with all the problems I faced with unrest early on.
So the lefthanded nails are false relics? Damn... I just seem to get them all the time. Unfair that I get the single false relic all the time. I mean there are 6 other true relics but no, I have to get the bad one.:furious3: :balloon2:
Ellesthyan
10-08-2005, 00:34
lefties discriminated in a CA game??? Scandalous!
~;)
Steppe Merc
10-08-2005, 01:05
A whole lot of nails and slinters of the holy cross... In my game I could have built several crosses and crucified a similar number of men (nails) with what I have got.
Well that's acurate. I think they had two brains of some saint, one of when he was 12. So logic is nothing particularly important when it comes to religous artifacts. ~;)
I love how they say orangutans... quite funny. Is it just me, or did the Lord want them to eat really weird animals?
BTW, I think it's stoats, not toads...
Bob the Insane
10-08-2005, 02:30
All the relics (plus effects):
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary relic_christian_martyr
Effect Unrest -1
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary relic_st_polycarp
Effect Unrest -1
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary relic_true_cross_nail_1
Effect Unrest -2
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary relic_true_cross_nail_2
Effect Unrest -2
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary relic_true_cross_nail_3
Effect Unrest -2
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary relic_true_cross_nail_4
Effect Unrest 1
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary relic_true_cross_splinters_1
Effect Law 1
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary relic_true_cross_splinters_2
Effect Law 1
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary relic_true_cross_splinters_3
Effect Law 1
Weapons (plus effects):
Ancillary spear_of_longinus
Effect Combat_V_Hun 1
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary spear_of_wotan
Effect TroopMorale 2
Effect Attack 1
Effect InfantryCommand 1
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary sword_in_the_stone
Effect Influence 1
Effect TroopMorale 1
Effect Defence 1
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary sword_of_chinglu
Effect TroopMorale 3
Effect Combat_V_Nomad 2
Effect Law 2
Plus, check this out: ~:cool:
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary merlin
Image hooded_figure_ancillary.tga
Unique
ExcludeCultures carthaginian, eastern, hun, nomad, roman
Description merlin_desc
EffectsDescription merlin_effects_desc
Effect LineOfSight 2
Effect BattleSurgery 10
;------------------------------------------
And finally??? :dizzy2:
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary inflatable_sheep
Image sultry_strumpet_ancillary.tga
Description inflatable_sheep_desc
EffectsDescription inflatable_sheep_effects_desc
Effect TroopMorale -3
Effect Combat_V_Barbarian 2
;------------------------------------------
So I was wrong no hammer of Thor but Odin's unering spear. Still Merlin w00t. :santa2:
Yeah forgot to mention Merlin as one of the cool ancilliaries. Btw, he is not named Merlin in the text, but something similar in what appears to be Celtic.
rebelscum
10-08-2005, 16:10
All the relics (plus effects):
Plus, check this out: ~:cool:
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary merlin
Image hooded_figure_ancillary.tga
Unique
ExcludeCultures carthaginian, eastern, hun, nomad, roman
Description merlin_desc
EffectsDescription merlin_effects_desc
Effect LineOfSight 2
Effect BattleSurgery 10
;------------------------------------------
And finally??? :dizzy2:
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary inflatable_sheep
Image sultry_strumpet_ancillary.tga
Description inflatable_sheep_desc
EffectsDescription inflatable_sheep_effects_desc
Effect TroopMorale -3
Effect Combat_V_Barbarian 2
;------------------------------------------
Give me strength. More Arthurian legend bs. How about the holy grail as a relic, and while we're at me might as well have the Arc of the Covenant.
Taffy_is_a_Taff
10-08-2005, 16:15
RS:
I gave up hoping that BI would be historical so I'm loving this crap like dogs love legs.
Give me strength. More Arthurian legend bs. How about the holy grail as a relic, and while we're at me might as well have the Arc of the Covenant.
That's a great idea I may have to mod those in! Not what kind of effects should they have.
rebelscum
10-08-2005, 16:33
Well the Arc of the Covenant supposedly destroys entire armies with a supernatural energy if carried before it. Some people say that it may have contained something radioactive. Maybe something dropped by a passing alien spaceship who knows.
The Holy Grail, well of course that resores life to anyone who drinks from it as it held the blood of christ, who we all know was an alien ~;)
So we can change the name of the game to alien invasion.~D
Taffy_is_a_Taff
10-08-2005, 16:33
they should have a special green knight 1 man unit.
As I said before, rebels led by Mordred.
Camelot, where's Camelot?
rebelscum
10-08-2005, 16:42
There are also the Rod of Aaron and the staff of Moses both pre-christian relics the Jewish religion could use for their armies.
The Rod of Aaron was supposedly stored in the arc of the covenant with the ten commandment tablets.
Taffy_is_a_Taff
10-08-2005, 16:52
what was the name of that special book of prophecies in Rome?
antisocialmunky
10-08-2005, 18:12
Well the Arc of the Covenant supposedly destroys entire armies with a supernatural energy if carried before it. Some people say that it may have contained something radioactive. Maybe something dropped by a passing alien spaceship who knows.
The Holy Grail, well of course that resores life to anyone who drinks from it as it held the blood of christ, who we all know was an alien ~;)
So we can change the name of the game to alien invasion.~D
Yes, God carved the 10 commandments in Krytonite...
Techinally, the ark itself never destroyed armies. It was just a symbol of God. It served to represent the state of the covenant. When the nation turend to Baal worship as they did, God would not protect them, not even the ark. Joshua 7:1-6, 1 Samuel 4:1-11 are examples of that, the Ark being captured by the Philitines in the latter. At 1 Samuel 6:11-21 and also at Numbers 4:6, 20 it was returned by the Philistines after it was catured because the Philistines were afraid of it, God punished the people for looking at it in a wrong(disrespectful) way.
When it was used faithfully, it dried up the Jordan for the Israelites to cross into the land and siege Jericho. The Philistines were afraid of it at 1 Samuel 4:6-8 when they found out the Israelites brought it into their camp and thus proceeded to run away. After the temple was built, it stayed in Jerusalem though sometime between Solomon and Josiah it was moved to somewhere else. The destruction of Sennacherib's army wasn't attributed to its presense either and it didn't protect the city from being conquered by the Babylonians.
It was lost sometime after Josiah became king and before the Babylonian conquest. Jeremiah 3:16, 17 foretold a time when the ark would be gone, a time when it would not be missed, and a time when his followers would not needed. This being after the Mosaic Covenant was disolved at the last supper.
Just a little historical proof. Wouldn't it be a little too campy anyways?
As for the Rod of Moses, it was destroyed because people tried to worship it. The jar of Manna and Staff of Aaron were eventually removed from the ark so that it contained only the commandments.
If you want a cool weapon, mod in Attila the Hun's war-god sword.
Well the Arc of the Covenant supposedly destroys entire armies with a supernatural energy if carried before it. Some people say that it may have contained something radioactive. Maybe something dropped by a passing alien spaceship who knows.
The Holy Grail, well of course that resores life to anyone who drinks from it as it held the blood of christ, who we all know was an alien ~;)
So we can change the name of the game to alien invasion.~D
Myself I've heard 2 theories in the arks ability to kill. The first being that the tablets the commandments were carved on was Urainium or something else radioactive. The other is that the Ark box itself could generate a powerful and potentially lethal electrical shock. The idea behind that is tha the Egyptians had stumbled on a way to generate electricity via a chemical reaction in canopic jars, which the Israelites some how found out and used in the construction of the Ark box. There is also another one that says the Egyptians then invented lights bulbs and used these canopic batteries to power them, but I digress. So some engineer tried to see of these Egyptian canopic-batteries could in fact generate electrical current and how much. These canopic batteries could in fact generate a current and if you connected enough to gether then you could generate a big enough jolt to kill a man. So then the theory goes that the Isrealites built these canopic batteries into the Ark's base and made most of the box out of conductive metals so that if you tried to open it and didn't grab the right part you got fried.
If you want a cool weapon, mod in Attila the Hun's war-god sword.
Talking about this?
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary sword_of_chinglu
Image sword_of_chinglu_ancillary.tga
ExcludeCultures barbarian, carthaginian, nomad, roman, eastern
Description sword_of_chinglu_desc
EffectsDescription sword_of_chinglu_effects_desc
Effect TroopMorale 3
Effect Combat_V_Nomad 2
Effect Law 2
This is btw Merlin... Or Myrddyn. So it isn't that Arthurian.
¬---------------
{merlin} Myrddyn
{merlin_desc}
"A dream to some - a nightmare to others!"
{merlin_effects_desc}
+2 to line of sight (increases the range at which enemies are spotted), Improves the chances of casualties recovering from their wounds
rebelscum
10-09-2005, 00:18
Myself I've heard 2 theories in the arks ability to kill. The first being that the tablets the commandments were carved on was Urainium or something else radioactive. The other is that the Ark box itself could generate a powerful and potentially lethal electrical shock. The idea behind that is tha the Egyptians had stumbled on a way to generate electricity via a chemical reaction in canopic jars, which the Israelites some how found out and used in the construction of the Ark box. There is also another one that says the Egyptians then invented lights bulbs and used these canopic batteries to power them, but I digress. So some engineer tried to see of these Egyptian canopic-batteries could in fact generate electrical current and how much. These canopic batteries could in fact generate a current and if you connected enough to gether then you could generate a big enough jolt to kill a man. So then the theory goes that the Isrealites built these canopic batteries into the Ark's base and made most of the box out of conductive metals so that if you tried to open it and didn't grab the right part you got fried.
Sounds cool. There was also supposedly a golden pot of hidden mana.
I'm trying to dig up some more ancient artifacts.
antisocialmunky
10-09-2005, 02:39
The problem with that is that you need a fair amount of amperage which can't be generated with the technology back then. I mean, they were like giant 9 volt batteries. Without a something to change the properties of the current, you can't do that.
rebelscum
10-09-2005, 03:26
We would need some very low resistance metals like 'gold', the whole arc could have been just one big battery.
Apparently, upon the chest were two cherubim of beaten gold, looking towards each other, and spreading their wings so that both sides of the propitiatory were covered. These could be positive and negative terminals.
Funny thing is the manna reference in the bible is sometimes attributed to mushrooms that Isrealites found when they were travelling to the promised land.
:stars:
http://diseyes.lycaeum.org/fresh/mushmann.htm
BTW, please don't try eating strange fungi off the ground, or you might start seeing bright coloured lights, or even enjoy playing CA expansions that don't fix things like the enemy walking up to your castle walls without seige equipment and standing there whilst you shoot them.
~D
Yes ok I'm in a funny mood.
The problem with that is that you need a fair amount of amperage which can't be generated with the technology back then. I mean, they were like giant 9 volt batteries. Without a something to change the properties of the current, you can't do that.
Not nessisarily. Amperage is the ratio of the Voltage to the ressistance of the medium the current must flow through. If the box was made mostly out of conductive materials then it could deliver a severe shock. By the simple virtue that the path to ground (the person touching the box) has very little resistance, human bodies are excellent conductors.
rebelscum
10-09-2005, 12:21
Would it be possible that the arc was some some of capacitor, storing the charge.
A capacitor consists of two electrodes or plates, each of which stores an opposite charge. These two plates are conductive and are separated by an insulator or dielectric. These could be tablets of moses.
Glass and ceramics are used in modern capacitors.
:book: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor#Physics_of_the_capacitor)
rebelscum
10-09-2005, 12:40
Oh heres another relic we can mod into the game.
The Holy Prepuce, or to put it another way, the foreskin of Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce
Wouldn't it be great to ride out into battle with that stuck on a pole.
If I was the enemy I would run a mile.
~D
On a more serious note, does anyone actually know when Christain symbols were first used on armour and banners, e.g the cross of St. George.
As St. George came from around this time, this is very interesting reading,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George
antisocialmunky
10-09-2005, 12:48
Then you would need a larger amount of voltage than the 1.5 volts generated per jar to create a sufficient conversion from high voltage to lethal amperage. That's about 6 jars per 9 volt battery, you'd be pretty hard pressed to fit very many of those in there.
Yes you could use it as a basic capacitor. With the inside storing one charge and the outside storing the other with the Acatia wood in between.
But seriously, why hell are you putting so much focus on what happened to that one guy who touched it and died? The Levites moved through the wilderness it a great deal and they were fine. Even the Philistines had no problems lugging it around.
The other is that the Ark box itself could generate a powerful and potentially lethal electrical shock. The idea behind that is tha the Egyptians had stumbled on a way to generate electricity via a chemical reaction in canopic jars, which the Israelites some how found out and used in the construction of the Ark box. There is also another one that says the Egyptians then invented lights bulbs and used these canopic batteries to power them, but I digress. So some engineer tried to see of these Egyptian canopic-batteries could in fact generate electrical current and how much. These canopic batteries could in fact generate a current and if you connected enough to gether then you could generate a big enough jolt to kill a man. So then the theory goes that the Isrealites built these canopic batteries into the Ark's base and made most of the box out of conductive metals so that if you tried to open it and didn't grab the right part you got fried.
Was the name of that engineer Erich von Däniken? I didn't know he was an engineer, but I do know he made roughly the same claims about the Ark and the so-called "Batteries of Bagdad". I also know he told a number of things about other historical artifacts that are patently untrue.
From what I know (but that is not much), the Ark was not that different from the portable altars in use at that time, so it is strange that so many wonderous qualities are attributed to this single artifact.
Off course, it is possible that the Egyptians knew electricity, but these kind of ideas tend to outstrip the available evidence very fast, especially in a enviroment where there is so little ability to verify them as the internet.
rebelscum
10-09-2005, 13:06
Maybe charging it up was part of a ritual.
With reference to its powers,
In the march from Sinai, and at the crossing of the Jordan, the Ark preceded the people, and was the signal for their advance (Num. 10:33; Josh. 3:3, 6). The Ark of the Covenant burned the thorns and other obstructions in the wilderness roads. According to tradition, sparks from between the two cherubim killed serpents and scorpions. (Canticles iii) [1] During the crossing of the Jordan, the river grew dry as soon as the feet of the priests carrying the Ark touched its waters; and remained so until the priests -- with the Ark -- left the river, after the people had passed over (Josh. 3:15-17; 4:10, 11, 18). As memorials, twelve stones were taken from the Jordan at the place where the priests had stood (Josh. 4:1-9).
Was the name of that engineer Erich von Däniken? I didn't know he was an engineer, but I do know he made roughly the same claims about the Ark and the so-called "Batteries of Bagdad". I also know he told a number of things about other historical artifacts that are patently untrue.
From what I know (but that is not much), the Ark was not that different from the portable altars in use at that time, so it is strange that so many wonderous qualities are attributed to this single artifact.
Off course, it is possible that the Egyptians knew electricity, but these kind of ideas tend to outstrip the available evidence very fast, especially in a enviroment where there is so little ability to verify them as the internet.
No that doof is a Archealogist through and though. If he had been the one expuing the theory of the arks powers I'd remember. I've marked him off as having watched to many sci-fi movies. No the guy I'm talking about was from UCLA (IIRC) and they just took him the directions for making the jar-battery and asked him to see if it could be recreated as exactly as possible and if it would in fact generate any kind of electrical energy.
antisocialmunky
10-09-2005, 22:31
Maybe charging it up was part of a ritual.
With reference to its powers,
In the march from Sinai, and at the crossing of the Jordan, the Ark preceded the people, and was the signal for their advance (Num. 10:33; Josh. 3:3, 6). The Ark of the Covenant burned the thorns and other obstructions in the wilderness roads. According to tradition, sparks from between the two cherubim killed serpents and scorpions. (Canticles iii) [1] During the crossing of the Jordan, the river grew dry as soon as the feet of the priests carrying the Ark touched its waters; and remained so until the priests -- with the Ark -- left the river, after the people had passed over (Josh. 3:15-17; 4:10, 11, 18). As memorials, twelve stones were taken from the Jordan at the place where the priests had stood (Josh. 4:1-9).
All I can say to those powers is what I have said before when I brought them up in my previous posts. They didn't come from the Ark itself. They came from God we're told. Besides, if the Egyptians had this technology militarized why did a bunch of slaves apply it before the super power of the age did? I'm all for Egyptians with light bulbs, but Tesla Coils.... I think not.
If so, during WWII, the French might have defended Paris with a little more effort:
http://firingsquad.com/games/redalert2firstlook/images/6.jpg
Courtesy from your Command and Conquer: Red Alert 2 friends.
For reference with context to Num 10:33...
32 And it must occur that in case you should come with us, yes, it must occur that with what goodness Jehovah will do good with us, we, in turn, will do good to you."
33 So they went marching from the mountain of Jehovah for a journey of three days, and the ark of Jehovah's covenant was marching before them for a journey of three days to search out a resting-place for them. 34 And Jehovah's cloud was over them by day at their marching out from the encampment.
For reference with context to Joshua 3:3-6...
3 and to command the people, saying: "As soon as YOU see the ark of the covenant of Jehovah YOUR God, and the priests, the Levites, carrying it, then YOU yourselves will pull away from YOUR place, and YOU must follow it, 4 -only let there prove to be a distance between YOU and it of about two thousand cubits by measure; do not get near to it-in order that YOU may know the way by which YOU should go, for YOU have not passed over on that way before."
5 Joshua now said to the people: "Sanctify yourselves, for tomorrow Jehovah will do wonderful things in YOUR midst."
6 Then Joshua said to the priests: "Take up the ark of the covenant and pass before the people." So they took up the ark of the covenant and went before the people.
As for stilling the Jordan...
Oh silly diamagnetism, when will you learn?~;)
The so called 'Moses Effect' based on the principal of diamagnetism which works specifically on the negative attraction of hydrogen atoms and positive attraction of oxygen atoms in water molecules. Since water molecules and arranged with the oxygens on one side and hydrogen on the other side, the molecule has two poles. When a magnetic field is induced on them all the atoms align. When placed in a VERY strong magnetic field, the water will travel to the opposite extremities of the field, hence 'Moses Effect.'
So, how many copper-iron batteries do you think it would take to generate that powerful of a magneticfield?
rebelscum
10-10-2005, 01:14
Yes very interesting, I was thinking that myself. If I remembe my O level physics you need a metal rod wrapped with a coil of wire which a current is passed through, iron filings will be dispersed to either ends of the rod.
Obviously before we came to understand the phsics behind electricty and magnatism, control of these 'elemental forces' would be considered godlike.
If you think that back in pagan times, the gods Jupiter (Zeus) threw thunderbolts down on his enemies also odins spear was the thundrbolt.
Being able to generate an arc of electricity when something discharged would be
amazing to behold.
Theres a good book about all this anyways.
Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark: Amazing Revelations of the Incredible Power of Gold (Hardcover)
by Laurence Gardner
Kekvit Irae
10-10-2005, 01:20
Do I need to move this to the Monastery or *gasp* the Backroom?
Prodigal
10-10-2005, 13:57
Do I need to move this to the Monastery or *gasp* the Backroom?
You have to hand it to them though, I've read this & been seemlessly drawn from the content of a game file into possible electrical properties of relics, & the biblical consumption of magic 'shrooms ~:cheers:
That description of Merlin is well thought of, in more than one sense ;)
You have to hand it to them though, I've read this & been seemlessly drawn from the content of a game file into possible electrical properties of relics, & the biblical consumption of magic 'shrooms ~:cheers:
Damn straight! ~;)
antisocialmunky
10-11-2005, 03:02
I still liked Attila's WarGod Sword. That so needs to be implemented.
I still liked Attila's WarGod Sword. That so needs to be implemented.
Didn't you see my previous post??? It is there...
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary sword_of_chinglu
Image sword_of_chinglu_ancillary.tga
ExcludeCultures barbarian, carthaginian, nomad, roman, eastern
Description sword_of_chinglu_desc
EffectsDescription sword_of_chinglu_effects_desc
Effect TroopMorale 3
Effect Combat_V_Nomad 2
Effect Law 2
Captain Fishpants
10-11-2005, 15:44
I still liked Attila's WarGod Sword. That so needs to be implemented.
It's in there! ~:) Done. Provided courtesy of your friendly developers at CA. There's a chance that Hunnic generals will get the Sword of Chinglu. OK?
Ha! Beat me to it, Kraxis. Damn your britches, sir! ~:)
It's in there! ~:) Done. Provided courtesy of your friendly developers at CA. There's a chance that Hunnic generals will get the Sword of Chinglu. OK?
Ha! Beat me to it, Kraxis. Damn your britches, sir! ~:)
My my... I say, CA devs are proud people. Care for a cup of tea, sir?
~;p
antisocialmunky
10-12-2005, 01:10
So that's what its called.... My bad.
CountMRVHS
10-12-2005, 03:58
Wow, page 2 of this thread is a waste of time....
anyway, what I wanted to ask is, are all these weapons just triggered by date, i.e. set to "appear" by a certain year? If so, how are they "assigned" to a particular general or even a particular faction?
CountMRVHS
antisocialmunky
10-12-2005, 12:06
Is there a hardcoded maximium for weapons?
Pushed by the rather apparent lack of weapons I looked into the file.
They are there, but they are rater hard to get... Especially the Sword in the Stone, it can't be gotten by anyone as it is set to be given out in turn -726, but then again only Romano-British can get it.
Sounds more like an easter egg.
Since no game can get to -726th turn.
By the way InEnemyLands triggers is bugged and works the opposide then intended.
So, if you don't use bug-fixer, all InEnemyLands conditions should really be read like InHomeLands.
Sounds more like an easter egg.
Since no game can get to -726th turn.
Exactly... But at least it can easily be modded in.
I don't know was it intentional, but gaining Spear of Wotan or Sword of Chinglu is really difficult.
The reason for that is that both items require general with PaganConversion trait.
And that trait can only be gained in cities Sol Invictus, Mithras and Pai temples, none of which are native to Saxons or Huns (roman and sarmatian temples).
feature or flaw?
Might be a feature to force the player faction to conquer enemy lands to 'show their worth.' Also keeps em rare.
Well, it's good to know not to demolish those roman temples too quickly.
antisocialmunky
10-14-2005, 03:32
Who has gotten any of them?
Let's see:
Trigger trigger_spear_of_longinus
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition IsGeneral
and not EndedInSettlement
and RemainingMPPercentage > 50
and Trait ChristianProselytism >= 1
and FactionType empire_east
and not WorldwideAncillaryExists spear_of_longinus
and Trait Christian >= 1
and not InUncivilisedLands
AcquireAncillary spear_of_longinus chance 10
If playing ERE, this one should not be too difficult to get if "agreesive" christian you have doesn't take full move action.
Trigger trigger_sword_in_the_stone
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition FactionType romano_british
and IsFactionHeir
and IsGeneral
and Attribute Command >= 2
and Trait Christian >= 1
and Trait ReligiousMania >= 1
and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
and I_TurnNumber >= -726
and I_TurnNumber <= -726
AcquireAncillary sword_in_the_stone chance 15
Impossible, an easter egg I would say.
By the way -726 is 1 AC, the birth of Christ.
Trigger trigger_spear_of_wotan
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition IsFactionLeader
and IsGeneral
and Attribute Command >= 4
and FactionType saxons
and not InEnemyLands
and not WorldwideAncillaryExists spear_of_wotan
and Trait Pagan >= 1
and Trait PaganConversion >= 1
AcquireAncillary spear_of_wotan chance 12
;------------------------------------------
Trigger trigger_sword_of_chinglu
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition IsFactionLeader
and IsGeneral
and Attribute Command >= 4
and FactionType huns
and not InEnemyLands
and not WorldwideAncillaryExists sword_of_chinglu
and Trait Pagan >= 1
and Trait PaganConversion >= 1
AcquireAncillary sword_of_chinglu chance 10
These two hun and saxon speicific weapons are very difficult to get.
First, it must be faction leader, second it needs to have lots of command starts (not easy in BI), and third character needs to gain PaganConversion trait, only gainable in roman temples and in one of sarmatian temples. That's makes getting theses very rare.
What does that InCivilizedLands mean? I mean is it civilized if the Huns capture Constantinople? Where is the cut?
I think it is the opposite from InBarbarian lands, which in original RTW ment in any province that it controlled by barbarian culture.
Now in BI, I'm not sure does it inlcude just barbarian culture, or it includes huns and nomads too.
Couple questions:
What happens to relics (and titles for that matter) when the character dies? Or, sinks on a ship?
Do they just have some chance of respawning at some later time?
Yep. All the titles and weapons have a trigger. Part of the trigger is 'Does not exist'. If it doesn't, then if all the other requirements are met it can spawn. Titles and such work just like Ancilleries with the exception of there can be only one.
rebelscum
10-18-2005, 02:49
Wow, page 2 of this thread is a waste of time....
CountMRVHS
Sounds like someone could do with a cup of shroom tea.
~;)
Celt Centurion
10-25-2005, 01:17
Anyone found the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch yet?
A Reading from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:
Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
-- Monty Python, "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"
That was great Rebelscum! I hope you are well!
Strength and Honor
Celt Centurion
rebelscum
10-25-2005, 22:53
Do I need to move this to the Monastery or *gasp* the Backroom?I don't see why, it was all on topic , legendary weapons led to speculation on whether or not the arc of the covenant was a weapon, which led to discussion about the possibilities of destructive properties, mixed with a bit of humour which was harmless.
On another note, if someone can mod in Jesus's foreskin flapping from a pole for me to carry before my armies, I will pay you ... erm .. *scrambles in pockets* .. fifty whole pence. I want my Goth armies to be invincible. This would be more of a real relic to me than king arthurs bloody sword.
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