View Full Version : Bush claims God told him to invade Iraq, Afghanistan: BBC
solypsist
10-07-2005, 03:06
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051006/ts_alt_afp/mideastbritainusiraq_051006214432
If you or anyone else were to say this, we'd be locked up in a mental institution. For fun, I replaced the word "God," with "Wolfowitz, Feith, and Halliburton"
AntiochusIII
10-07-2005, 03:13
Old news, mr. soly. But a fun one, nonetheless.
I enjoyed using this quote (truth or false, does it matter?) as my msn name for a while. It brought a lot of attention. ~D
solypsist
10-07-2005, 03:23
correct: this was in german news around one year ago. but it seems to only recently have made it to american media circuits.
Old news, mr. soly. But a fun one, nonetheless.
Nevermind that the Whitehouse press secretary denies that account and calls it "absurd".
Alexander the Pretty Good
10-07-2005, 03:42
Nevermind that you people would despise and attack him even if he didn't say that.
Red Harvest
10-07-2005, 03:45
It's odd the White House hasn't commented on it. If it were untrue (or at least deniable), then I would have expected a denial.
I would rather have a government directed by logic, than religious fervor.
Alexander the Pretty Good
10-07-2005, 03:48
Then wake up Congress - if they aren't directing the government, they should be.
And I think it would be harder to make a case saying that Congress is led more by alleged religious fervor.
Alexander the Pretty Good
10-07-2005, 03:51
Meh. Someone needs to come along and give all that excessive executive power back to Congress where it belongs.
And start kicking judges in the balls who promote bypassing the whole amendment process by passing whacky laws.
Here hear! (I still don't have that right...)
Congress could start doing that if they grew a spine. Elect vertebrate legislators!
solypsist
10-07-2005, 03:57
Frontline (the best show on television) had a story on Bush called "The Jesus Factor" about a year ago detailing the level of impact that religion has had on Bush's presidency. You can watch the entire show online:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/view/
Nevermind that you people would despise and attack him even if he didn't say that.
Well, yeah...
I mean, there's plenty of other material we can work with. GWB is a goldmine.
Crazed Rabbit
10-07-2005, 04:12
Correction:
Bush claims God told him to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, according to two heads of a terrorist orginization, says the BBC.
Crazed Rabbit
solypsist
10-07-2005, 04:21
congratulations! you are paying attention - that was the one thing in there i was hoping someone would see, before making comment. good work.
/serious
Correction:
Bush claims God told him to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, according to two heads of a terrorist orginization, says the BBC.
Crazed Rabbit
Correction:
Bush claims God told him to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, according to two heads of a terrorist orginization, says the BBC.
Crazed Rabbit
Yup, and as I already said, McClellan calls the claim absurd and says he was there when it was allegedly said.
But, it's not the facts, but the nature of the allegations that matters.
Del Arroyo
10-07-2005, 06:34
Gimme a break. Referring to the will of god is probably a useful figurative device in talking to people from Palestine and many other parts of the world. Just because it sounds weird to us doesn't mean it was out of place in the context where it was said.
DA
Zalmoxis
10-07-2005, 06:40
This almost beats the belief that animals should be treated like humans... almost.
Tribesman
10-07-2005, 08:40
Correction:
Bush claims God told him to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, according to two heads of a terrorist orginization,
Yup, and as I already said, McClellan calls the claim absurd and says he was there when it was allegedly said.
Bush meets and talks with terrorists !!!!!!and McCellan !!!!
Quick lock them up they are linked to terrorist groups ~D ~D ~D
Red Harvest
10-07-2005, 14:20
Yup, and as I already said, McClellan calls the claim absurd and says he was there when it was allegedly said.
But, it's not the facts, but the nature of the allegations that matters.
Interesting choice of words, isn't it? Call it "absurd" but don't deny it. Coming from McClellan, I would call this confirmation. ~;) McClellan made another statement, "He's never made such comments", which is again, not quite the same as an outright denial. Afterall, with this Admin you really have to be careful about reading in ALL of the potential interpretations. (The Plame investigation comes to mind.)
Correction:
Bush claims God told him to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, according to two heads of a terrorist orginization, says the BBC.
Crazed Rabbit
I had already read *who* was making the claim, which is why I was looking for the Whitehouse response. Trying to dismiss them as terrorists is a bit disingenuous, since Dubya was meeting with them. I'm not even sure that it is factually correct to say they are on the list of terrorist organizations. There are Palestinian organizations that are, I'm not sure if the Palestinian Authority is.
Strike For The South
10-07-2005, 14:22
I thinks there right I mean we all know how reliable the palastenines are~:handball:
Seamus Fermanagh
10-07-2005, 14:27
Meh. Someone needs to come along and give all that excessive executive power back to Congress where it belongs.
And start kicking judges in the balls who promote bypassing the whole amendment process by passing whacky laws.
How very conservative of you my "Eugene Hippy" friend.~:)
And I agree, though I'd prefer removing such judges from the bench by less violent and future-child unfriendly means.
Seamus
P.S. Loved the "vertebrate" line -- good yucks.
Well even if he did actually say it, by mistake, or by conviction, he (or the White House) could never admit that publicly. That would make the President look bad and of course they would want to avoid that. So, we can't really take the word of the White House, nor can we necessarily take the word of the Palestinian negotiators. I can't think why they would bad mouth Bush. It's better for them to cover his errors than to publish them, Bush can help them get a country of their own. The only way we can be sure is if this was audio or video taped which I guess it was'nt.
More subjectively, I personally can see Bush say somethign like that. he does'nt realise what he's saying half the time IMO.
Templar Knight
10-07-2005, 20:49
.....now watch this drive http://forum.ottawagolf.com/images/smilies/golfing_banana.gif
solypsist
10-07-2005, 21:34
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10521.htm
conflicting stories, not totally on topic but why start another thread
Alexanderofmacedon
10-07-2005, 22:15
I knew it!~D
PanzerJaeger
10-07-2005, 22:42
Yawn.. another example of liberals working with arabs to try and destroy George Bush's credibility. How old is this story anyway. You're really digging at the bottom of the barrel.
It is amazing how desperately the left has held onto this story.. no matter how flaky and unsubstantiated it becomes. They didnt deny it.. it must be true because it plays into what I want to believe about GWB!!
Well even if he did actually say it, by mistake, or by conviction, he (or the White House) could never admit that publicly. That would make the President look bad and of course they would want to avoid that. So, we can't really take the word of the White House, nor can we necessarily take the word of the Palestinian negotiators. I can't think why they would bad mouth Bush. It's better for them to cover his errors than to publish them, Bush can help them get a country of their own. The only way we can be sure is if this was audio or video taped which I guess it was'nt.
More subjectively, I personally can see Bush say somethign like that. he does'nt realise what he's saying half the time IMO.
Agreed.
Geoffrey S
10-07-2005, 23:28
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4320586.stm
Just a minor update. I'll wait 'till I see the program in question before judging the supposed implications, perhaps all this is purely designed to get viewers interested in the program.
Byzantine Prince
10-07-2005, 23:55
How convenient for God! ~:rolleyes:
Templar Knight
10-07-2005, 23:57
I wonder if God will defend him self against such allegations ~:)
Tribesman
10-08-2005, 00:11
conflicting stories, not totally on topic but why start another thread
Now that is really funny Soly~D ~D ~D
Al-Qaida is not like IBM , it is more like MacDonalds~:cheers:
There are two parts to the answer :dizzy2:
Azi Tohak
10-08-2005, 00:25
~:handball:
Back to ERE and not having to worry about slander, smut and if someone is corrupt, I can send them to meet the very persuasive Huns and have them straighten him out.
Azi
Red Harvest
10-08-2005, 01:28
Yawn.. another example of liberals working with arabs to try and destroy George Bush's credibility.
Why would they need to do this? Dubya has done an excellent job destroying his own credibility. He doesn't really need much help.
Gawain of Orkeny
10-08-2005, 01:42
Well even if he did actually say it, by mistake, or by conviction, he (or the White House) could never admit that publicly. That would make the President look bad and of course they would want to avoid that. So, we can't really take the word of the White House, nor can we necessarily take the word of the Palestinian negotiators. I can't think why they would bad mouth Bush. It's better for them to cover his errors than to publish them, Bush can help them get a country of their own. The only way we can be sure is if this was audio or video taped which I guess it was'nt.
More subjectively, I personally can see Bush say somethign like that. he does'nt realise what he's saying half the time IMO.
So as usual when attacking conservatives its the seriousness of the charge that counts. That there are no facts to back it up matters not at all. Two pages on a rumor by terrorists.
Red Harvest
10-08-2005, 02:01
So as usual when attacking conservatives its the seriousness of the charge that counts. That there are no facts to back it up matters not at all. Two pages on a rumor by terrorists.
Funny, that's about the level of evidence that was used for WMD claims to invade Iraq. Of course, Abbas is an elected official, and he met with Dubya. So what was Dubya doing meeting with terrorists? ~:eek:
What should really concern you is that Dubya's credibility is so low, and his fervor so high, that this claim is entirely plausible. This is a case where I would believe them before Bush.
Gawain of Orkeny
10-08-2005, 02:06
Funny, that's about the level of evidence that was used for WMD claims to invade Iraq.
Hardly.
What should really concern you is that Dubya's credibility is so low, and his fervor so high, that this claim is entirely plausible. This is a case where I would believe them before Bush.
Excuse me but your prejudce is showing. It may be plausible to a idealog as yourself but not to most of us.
Red Harvest
10-08-2005, 02:12
Excuse me but your prejudce is showing. It may be plausible to a idealog as yourself but not to most of us.
Gotta wonder who "us" is... Your views are pretty far from the mainstream.
Gawain of Orkeny
10-08-2005, 02:16
Gotta wonder who "us" is... Your views are pretty far from the mainstream.
Are you standing in front of a mirror. They maybe far from the liberal mainstream you follow but I venture most of my views are supported by a far larger percentage of Americans than yours are. Please tell me what views of mine are so radical?
Im sure most americans believe Bush said that like you seem to infer you do. ............NOT.
Red Harvest
10-08-2005, 02:25
Gawain, I'm having a good laugh at your expense right now. ~:cheers:
Gawain of Orkeny
10-08-2005, 02:33
Remeber he who laughs last laughs best. I hope someone cxomes home and picks me up off the floor because I cant stop laughing at your remarks. As usual no answer to my questions just a snide remark.
Red Harvest
10-08-2005, 02:55
Remeber he who laughs last laughs best. I hope someone cxomes home and picks me up off the floor because I cant stop laughing at your remarks. As usual no answer to my questions just a snide remark.
I'm amused that you started off with a formulaic personal attack with "idealog", then your typical "liberal" label for anyone who isn't as Right wing as you, rather than a discussion of what is going on. So yes, it was pretty funny watching you lose your cool and go right to a true ideologue type response.
The interesting thing about the article was that I had to ask myself which one I was more likely to believe in this instance. Knowing Bush's background on these issues, and Robertson's statements about his conversations with Bush (some of which Dubya denied), I came to what I would have considered a surprising conclusion before seeing the article.
Gawain of Orkeny
10-08-2005, 02:59
I'm amused that you started off with a formulaic personal attack with "idealog", then your typical "liberal" label for anyone who isn't as Right wing as you,
Oh so now Im calling Redleg and Don liberals ? You better watch who you are applying labels to.
So yes, it was pretty funny watching you lose your cool and go right to a true ideologue type response.
Lose my cool? Now I know your joking.
The interesting thing about the article was that I had to ask myself which one I was more likely to believe in this instance. Knowing Bush's background on these issues, and Robertson's statements about his conversations with Bush (some of which Dubya denied), I came to what I would have considered a surprising conclusion before seeing the article.
Again you just proved my point.
Steppe Merc
10-08-2005, 03:01
The fact that so many politicians mention God in their speeches disturbs me. Be it Kerry claiming "We're on God's side", or Bush or Reagan or Carter, it's just really weird.
Red Harvest
10-08-2005, 03:03
Again you just proved my point.
Wind him up and watch him go...
Gawain of Orkeny
10-08-2005, 03:26
Wind him up and watch him go...
Well Im watching you. Quite entertaining I must say.~D
Seamus Fermanagh
10-08-2005, 03:32
Gawain/Red H:
By any chance are you both SCA members? Or we could arrange a meeting, say nerf bats at 10 paces.~;)
Seamus
Gawain of Orkeny
10-08-2005, 03:49
Gawain/Red H:
By any chance are you both SCA members? Or we could arrange a meeting, say nerf bats at 10 paces.
Seamus
Whats the SCA?
Besides I prefer Pugel Sticks .
Alexanderofmacedon
10-08-2005, 03:57
Why would they need to do this? Dubya has done an excellent job destroying his own credibility. He doesn't really need much help.
1) I think this guy has got it down correctly...
2) Some advice to a fellow lefty, when you say "Dubya" you should use quotes, so you don't sound like them...
Just a suggestion!~D
So as usual when attacking conservatives its the seriousness of the charge that counts.
I think the beeb is taking a page from the Dan Rather manual on journalism with this one.
InsaneApache
10-08-2005, 09:43
The fact is 'Shrub' and his crony Bliar lied to their people about a premise for war with Iraq. Now it is reported that 'Shrub' was in touch with the Almighty, who it seems gave him a message to attack those them there terrorist folks. Just a pity that Jahweh didn't see fit to let 'Shrub' and Bliar in on the deal..
'THERE ARE NO WMD'
Shhhh....it's a secret ~:confused:
Yawn.. another example of liberals working with arabs to try and destroy George Bush's credibility.
I aint no liberal but I think 'Shrub' has done most to widen his credibility gap.
Geoffrey S
10-08-2005, 18:01
The fact that so many politicians mention God in their speeches disturbs me. Be it Kerry claiming "We're on God's side", or Bush or Reagan or Carter, it's just really weird.
Apparently it's the way to get elected in the US. It sure help Bush in the latest round.
Soulforged
10-08-2005, 18:22
I don't know why people make so much noise about Bush's claims, but I hope that he's not going to be elected again...
Besides there's a person who claims to be on God's side and be the voice of God everyday, I think that many people misses him. Obviously I'm talking about the Pope, Bush, if he did say that, is doing it for the same reason metaphysical support of power...
Gawain of Orkeny
10-08-2005, 19:26
I don't know why people make so much noise about Bush's claims, but I hope that he's not going to be elected again...
He cant its against the law. A president is limited to two terms nowdays. Too bad that law didnt come into effect before FDR.
Alexanderofmacedon
10-08-2005, 19:30
Gawain is right. How is the government in Argentina?
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