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Taiwan Legion
10-07-2005, 19:17
In their traits list, it says they scare horses.
How does this apply practically? I don't really see how they scare horses in a battle.
A.Saturnus
10-07-2005, 19:19
Horse units get a morale malus if close to camels.
Horses don't like the smell of camels.
Red Harvest
10-07-2005, 19:45
Horse units get a morale malus if close to camels.
Probably best to call it a morale penalty. I've not found "malus" in my dictionary, although it is a logical construction, substituting "mal" for "bon." I have no malice against malus...but some might not understand. ~;)
The camels might also be getting a morale bonus (I can't recall.)
There might also be a "frighten_horse" modifier for morale, I don't recall.
Horses don't like the smell of camels.
More exactly, the smell of camel urine. At least according to CA.
in mtw, the frighten attribute caused attack and defense penalties to the frightened troops. Not sure how this works in rtw; i asked many times, but no one from CA answered! :P
Hurin_Rules
10-07-2005, 20:34
Malus, a, um: a Latin adjective (of the second declension), meaning bad or evil.
It also means an apple tree, but I am assuming this was not intended.
in mtw, the frighten attribute caused attack and defense penalties to the frightened troops. Not sure how this works in rtw; i asked many times, but no one from CA answered! :P
It is like MTW.
The mountattributes are combat bonusses (be they positive or negative). And that is where you find the bonus for and against horses. And it used to contain the bonusses for skirmishers and spearmen too, and we know they are clearcut bonusses for combat.
So remove 2 points in attack from the horse and add 4 to the camel and you have the resulting equation.
Sin Qua Non
10-08-2005, 04:59
Horses would probably also get a morale penalty against llamas, if anyone ever bothered to ride them into battle. And they have spit as a missle weapon. ~:)
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Alexanderofmacedon
10-08-2005, 05:28
Elephants do, but I'm not sure about camels. Maybe their low grunting sound they make?
SpencerH
10-08-2005, 12:23
All animals respond to the unknown with fear and flight. Horses that have not encountered camels or elephants or llama's (a close relative of the camel) or anything else will shy away from them. OTOH, just as humans can be trained to resist that fear, so can horsies.
Just as horses have to be trained for warfare in general. No untrained horse would ever charge into an enemy formation or be controllable on a battlefield. It needs years of daily training.
Papewaio
10-10-2005, 04:12
Horses have a very good sense of smell, helps then find water.
With new animal smells they get skittish.
professorspatula
10-10-2005, 05:10
Camels scare horses by shouting 'BOO!' in secret Camel-to-horse talk. It's enough to unnerve all but the most battle hardened of horses, although deaf ones are immune to the Camel's psychology.
Strike For The South
10-10-2005, 05:19
Camels scare horses by shouting 'BOO!' in secret Camel-to-horse talk. It's enough to unnerve all but the most battle hardened of horses, although deaf ones are immune to the Camel's psychology.
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Taiwan Legion
10-10-2005, 07:34
Actually, I was asking how they scare horses as how does the game simulate that. Like does it give morale penalties? Or does it reduce the attack of the horses?
Kekvit Irae
10-10-2005, 08:07
I'm guessing morale penalties, as a Roman bodyguard unit broke and ran faster against my Berber Armored Camels than they did my horse units. Another thing that tipped me off to the morale was that the bodyguard unit stopped running after a certain distance and regained his morale (something which is rare when a unit breaks)
SpencerH
10-10-2005, 12:12
Actually, I was asking how they scare horses as how does the game simulate that. Like does it give morale penalties? Or does it reduce the attack of the horses?
Sure, now you change your story, after all our effort ~;)
Dont write it in stone but I think its a severe morale hit. Horse units will tend to rout when they are attacked by, or are attacking, a camel unit.
Take note...
It is like MTW.
The mountattributes are combat bonusses (be they positive or negative). And that is where you find the bonus for and against horses. And it used to contain the bonusses for skirmishers and spearmen too, and we know they are clearcut bonusses for combat.
So remove 2 points in attack from the horse and add 4 to the camel and you have the resulting equation.
Since no one mentioned it yet, all unit stats, including mount effects, can be found in export_unit_descr.txt
EatYerGreens
10-10-2005, 14:30
Malus, a, um: a Latin adjective (of the second declension), meaning bad or evil.
From Malus to malice, there's barely a change in pronounciation but the meaning is the same.
It also means an apple tree, but I am assuming this was not intended.
There seems to be a Biblical ('Garden of Eden') link to this, which makes me think that the Roman word for 'apple' or 'apple tree' might have been something else.
I forget who kicked off the whole concept of taxonomy and using Latin names to classify plants and animals but it didn't really catch on until the 19th century, I think. Practically every dialect of English had its own names for things so, with that and the need to communicate internationally as well, it simply had to be done. Whoever had the idea of Genus:Malus, for apple varieties, must have been an ecclesiastical type. Or had a quirky sense of humour... ~;)
Imperator Severn
10-10-2005, 19:20
I believe "pomum" is the common Latin for apple.
Hence Pomme.
Celt Centurion
10-28-2005, 21:04
I believe "pomum" is the common Latin for apple.
Hence Pomme.
I would think that it is the smell too. Don't believe me? Get near a camel, take a deep breath!
They smell really bad.
They taste worse!
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Celt Centurion
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