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zemaniak
10-25-2005, 12:05
bactrian horse archers?
Steppe Merc
10-25-2005, 12:05
Well, they wear the same style helmet as my avatar, which I thought was a fantasy design simply because it looked too hilarious to be true. As such, I have no idea what this unit is.
Nope, the Phrygian cap style helm was real and the felt/fur/cloth Phrygian cap is even funnier, since it makes you look like a smurf!
Well, they wear the same style helmet as my avatar, which I thought was a fantasy design simply because it looked too hilarious to be true. As such, I have no idea what this unit is.
good..now guess why i chose my avatar..
Hmm, I think they're Scythian nobles, who were pushed west by Sarmatians. Either that, or Soghdian heavy horse available to Bactria.
BTW, the skin is *very* nice. I noticed that the hair on their heads looks grey, but their beards are red?
the_handsome_viking
10-25-2005, 16:32
Well, they wear the same style helmet as my avatar, which I thought was a fantasy design simply because it looked too hilarious to be true. As such, I have no idea what this unit is.
Whats hilarious about a helmet with a gigantic metal curved phallus sticking out of it?
Nah its a real helmet dude the Thracians had them, probably other people had them too.
http://www.thrace.0catch.com/images/infantry/thracian_helmet.jpg
the_handsome_viking
10-25-2005, 16:33
good..now guess why i chose my avatar..
Because you wear pink womans pajamas a lot?
the_handsome_viking
10-25-2005, 16:46
Thracian cavalry archer mercs that only macedonians can hire?
the_handsome_viking
10-25-2005, 17:14
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE!!!
THEY ARE SARMATIAN NOBLE MERCS!
https://img304.imageshack.us/img304/7642/earlynobles3lf.jpg
Like these guys, they have the same helmets the same swords the same quiver designs, they just have red hair instead of brown hair, but its not exactly uncommon for iranic people to have light hair colors, I've no idea who could hire them though...I'd assume other Sarmatians could hire them but I'll probably get laughed at anyway... oh well
Steppe Merc
10-25-2005, 18:09
Just a FYI, the Phrygian cap is very common, and is not just used by Iranians...
Just a FYI, the Phrygian cap is very common, and is not just used by Iranians...
wasn't it the original helmet for Alexandros' army (infantry) and phillip(alex' dad) ahd it also for the cavalry...
so that cap/helmet is spread throughout Asia and into northern-europe(thrace)
Spendios
10-25-2005, 21:30
I would say they are thracian or bosphoran noble cavalry.
Baestarnae Horse Archers?, I say Baestarnae rather then Thracian because of the red hair, and if memory serves the Baestarnae were of Germanic blood so there hair would of been of a reddish hue in most likelihood, that and I remember Thracians being described as dark haired.
btw, they don't look very noble to me, they're unarmored except for what looks like furs
Except for the chain shirt, right? And the chain hanging from the back of the helm...and that the helm looks suspiciously shiny.
the_handsome_viking
10-25-2005, 22:36
Except for the chain shirt, right? And the chain hanging from the back of the helm...and that the helm looks suspiciously shiny.
Perhaps it is an enchanted helm?
I'd assume so. No mundane helmet could hold a shape like that.
That armor doesnt look like chain to me, but I suppose I could be wrong
Wow. I thought *I* was sarcastic.
Mouzafphaerre
10-26-2005, 04:40
Wow. I thought *I* was sarcastic.
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You can't be. You are sarcasm himself. ~;)
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wasn't it the original helmet for Alexandros' army (infantry) and phillip(alex' dad) ahd it also for the cavalry...
so that cap/helmet is spread throughout Asia and into northern-europe(thrace)
I believe it was.
I also believe it was shaped like that as it gave the helmet extra strength.
I think...
antiochus epiphanes
10-26-2005, 14:19
Brown-haired horse archers wearing Phrygian helmets and maille... hmm. They're some Iranian people, could be regional or a normal faction unit. I'd guess that this is a medium/heavy unit for the Sauromatae, capable to both horse archery and melee.
i bet your on the money
EDIT: I just noticed something in the picture. In the right lower corner you can see part of a rider who is cleary not equipped like these others. That is either a different unit standing next to this one, or it's some kind of officer. I'm thinking that it's a different unit though, I don't see why EB would use limited model slots for officers other than the generals.
EDIT2: Of corse, there's the chance that it's a captain. In which case it might give some hint to what factions this unit might be available to.
its an egyptian vanalla captian, so that me its a ptolomic horse archer~:confused:
I believe it was.
I also believe it was shaped like that as it gave the helmet extra strength.
I think...
that shape is very effective is glancing of hit's. hits from above glace of. and hits perpendicular (sp?) to you forehead.
Zanderpants
10-26-2005, 15:37
It's a Panzer IV, look at the fine metal barding on the hull and the excellently reinforced, golden turret, all of it mounted on a 1 horsepower, Porche engine. ~D
Gimme a break, I just woke up.......
Ypoknons
10-26-2005, 20:29
Given the short muzzule of the guns, they are obviously Panzer IV G.
Reverend Joe
10-26-2005, 21:21
Given the short muzzule of the guns, they are obviously Panzer IV G.
:thinking: The panzer IV G had a long barrel... the Panzer IV D has a short muzzle.
So: these are obviously Persian mercenary Panzer IV-D tanks.
RandyKapp
10-26-2005, 21:37
You are correct good sir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_IV
Seleukus I Nicator
10-27-2005, 00:44
Guys get back to topic!
I have no idea what unit it is, but looks good.
I might say its some Graeko-Iranian mercanary unit.
Ypoknons
10-27-2005, 01:52
That was intentional ... muhahaha. :spammer:
Honestly, aside from their Easternity, I have no clue. Is that chain they're wearing, though? They might be more barbian if it is.
Mr Jones
10-27-2005, 06:56
i believe that we are looking at a unit of nobles from a northern thracian tribe, or perhaps skythians
Conqueror
10-27-2005, 11:04
Is that chain they're wearing, though? They might be more barbian if it is.
Why would chain be "barbian"? (what ever that means ~;) )
antiochus epiphanes
10-27-2005, 15:53
:thinking: The panzer IV G had a long barrel... the Panzer IV D has a short muzzle.
So: these are obviously Persian mercenary Panzer IV-D tanks.
to futher enlighten you all(since tanks are my feild of expertise)~D
the panzer IV d had a 76mm howitzer while the g version and up had the more potent 75mm gun,but it still coundt stand to the bactrians T34:duel:
main drawback of this tank was thin armor and it was not angled like the T34
im sorry but i had to put my two cents in:knight:
Greek_fire19
10-27-2005, 16:58
well yeah, anywhere east of dacia, and north of the black sea/caspian sea.
Bear in mind we never saw any heavy cavalry of the Getai, and these guys look suspiciously similar to the Getai heavy infantry:
https://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=komataithorakitaistratiotai0vv.jpg
Also, given the Getai's reliance on their excellent bows it's possible that the Getai general's bodyguard is an armoured horse archer unit, such as this.
It would also explain the random leg in the bottom left corner that is different to all the others
Based on this my guess is that they are Getai General's bodyguard
One other small piece of evidence is that I expect the Getai would have at least one unit of heavy cavalry, if this was historically the case, and they weren't in the preview. This means they either won't be there or they hadn't been fnished yet. Khelvan said this unit has only just been finished.
https://img461.imageshack.us/img461/9436/14ni.jpg
These were the Getai Ktistai. Also called the "foundators", "gods' worshipers", "walkers on smoke", these men formed the Dacian priesthood. They use the bow and the falx, and wear mail.
This next one should be a lot easier:
https://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3528/unit41kk.th.jpg (https://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unit41kk.jpg)
Germanic spermen (sometimes referred to as "phalanx") that Ceasar fought with?
They look Gallic to me, with the Mow and cloak and all...I'd guess a plain ol' Gallic tribal warband
I think that they are Germanic spears. Maybe Gallic. Some of the dead guys at their feet look pretty Celtic.
Antagonist
10-29-2005, 01:44
They seem Germanic to me as well.
Hmm, perhaps referencing the Swêbōz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=48675) and Aedui (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=47406) previews could prove helpful.
In comparison, they seem more like the Swêbōz to me, they kind of remind me of the Skándzá-Swáiut unit (these guys (https://img94.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skandzaswaiut5ox.jpg)) Also it seems to me that all the Gallic units have fairly ornate decorations on their shields, whereas the German shields are relatively plain. But maybe I'm mistaken. Also this unit seems to be wearing cloaks of some kind, which looks more like the Gallic units.
I dunno, to be honest my only knowledge of what these troops look like comes from these previews. Maybe some kind of Celtic/German border soldier influenced by both cultures?
Mouzafphaerre
10-29-2005, 05:33
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Barbarian Spear Warband. Expert at hiding in the woods. Screeching women turn them on. ~:)
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Birka Viking
10-29-2005, 11:53
It's a Swêbōz unit.~:cheers: :bow: ~:cheers:
Spendios
10-29-2005, 12:02
They are Swêboz surely the "germanic phalanx" described by Caesar.
Germans, perhaps the ancestors of the Saxon fyrd? It looks like a shieldwall to me.
The Getai unit is beautiful by the way.
KingOfTheIsles
10-29-2005, 17:43
Perhaps the Helvetii "phalanx"?
Greek_fire19
10-29-2005, 18:37
nope, this is the helvetii phalanx: http://img156.echo.cx/img156/7196/morigaesum4iw.jpg
these guys have to be a germanic tribe, but I really don't know which. I like the way EB seems to have been able to get units to form a pretty decent shield wall without BI, shows what ingenuity can do
Is the shield wall, or are they just about to chuck some spears? They're definitely a German unit, though.
Reverend Joe
10-30-2005, 03:46
No javelins on the shield, so...
the_handsome_viking
10-30-2005, 04:09
I'm guessing Germanic becuase of the blonde hair and the heavy use of spears, also by the look of the guys laying on the ground, they have been fighting Celts
so I guess they are just some Germanic skirmisher group with a fancy name.
the_handsome_viking
10-30-2005, 04:11
By the way those celtic guys who are wearing chainmail and bronse helms look badass.
No javelins on the shield, so...
True...but has any Germanic unit so far not been a spear-chucker?
Yes, definetly a Germanic unit. Maybe possibly some Free Peoples one? It looks like a predecessor of a shieldwall to me very much. :knight:
the_handsome_viking
10-30-2005, 12:13
they could be neither germanic or celtic but belgae...
Belgae are Celts, just not Gauls (though they often do get lumped in with Gauls, they're a seperate Celtic culture).
"Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli appellantur"~D
This is an ancient, mistaken perception by a foreign people; the Belgae were clearly not Gauls. They were Celts though. However, they had their own gods, their own clothing, rituals, structures, used different types of shields, weapons of a different shape (their swords are often a bit shorter due to less iron), and sometimes even still used axes in combat (most Celts had abandoned axes in favor of swords and spears). They decorated their objects with different styles of art, more similar to what many Britons used, as well as some Germanic forms in eastern Belgica. So no, they are not 'Gauls', except from the Roman perception (which is hardly an enlightened, thorough view of Celtic peoples). They are, today, viewed rightfully as their own Celtic sub-culture, just like midland Britons and the like. For the whole of the period, they were pretty disassociated with Gauls (though they were close to Gallic-Britons at different times). They did share a common language with Gauls, but it's improper to call them 'Gauls'; they were a collection of their own tribes that often aligned themselves against Gauls in an attempt for a land-grab to expand their own land control for their multitude of Belgic tribes.
Seleukus I Nicator
10-30-2005, 23:28
Germanics units. I stick with the majority~:cheers:
BTW my hands getting very bloody itchy :trytofly:
Dagobert II
10-31-2005, 01:48
I am going to hope they are Visigoths. They are
of the period //not celtic by ethnicity, but certainly
christian...
~:rolleyes:
Steppe Merc
10-31-2005, 01:51
I am going to hope they are Visigoths. They are
of the period //not celtic by ethnicity, but certainly
christian...
~:rolleyes:
Um... ~:confused:
Ypoknons
10-31-2005, 01:54
For 90% of EB's timeline there was no Christianity, mate.
Dagobert II
10-31-2005, 02:01
Sorry gentlemen;
I was looking at the wrong screenshot, and did not catch the 11 pages of relplies... I'll rexamine the thread and provide an educated guess...
:hide:
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90%? 100%; Christianity didn't exist by 14 AD. Jesus would still be a teenager, and was still being educated.
QwertyMIDX
10-31-2005, 02:28
Indeed, Jesus didn't die/assend until between 27 and 36 AD. In 14 AD he would be between 14 and 20.
the_handsome_viking
10-31-2005, 02:59
Belgae are Celts, just not Gauls (though they often do get lumped in with Gauls, they're a seperate Celtic culture).
so they were a purely celtic people with no germanic influence of ancestry?
Mouzafphaerre
10-31-2005, 03:07
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Belgae: Kelts, Germans or something else?
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the_handsome_viking
10-31-2005, 03:33
yes yes I see I see.
Well I'll tell you what though, they sure as hell arent Nubian spearmen.
This is an ancient, mistaken perception by a foreign people; the Belgae were clearly not Gauls. They were Celts though. However, they had their own gods, their own clothing, rituals, structures, used different types of shields, weapons of a different shape (their swords are often a bit shorter due to less iron), and sometimes even still used axes in combat (most Celts had abandoned axes in favor of swords and spears). They decorated their objects with different styles of art, more similar to what many Britons used, as well as some Germanic forms in eastern Belgica. So no, they are not 'Gauls', except from the Roman perception (which is hardly an enlightened, thorough view of Celtic peoples). They are, today, viewed rightfully as their own Celtic sub-culture, just like midland Britons and the like. For the whole of the period, they were pretty disassociated with Gauls (though they were close to Gallic-Britons at different times). They did share a common language with Gauls, but it's improper to call them 'Gauls'; they were a collection of their own tribes that often aligned themselves against Gauls in an attempt for a land-grab to expand their own land control for their multitude of Belgic tribes.
I know how accurate Ceasar can be, I was only ~:joker: (and couldn't resist to write it, since I had to learn it~:mecry: ). Still you are Celtic expert for me, but I'll resist temptation of making another Gaul-orientated thread~:)
BTW, now I'll probably join EB team and I'm making some stuff for you, so I'll delay my Celtic reply little longer. But the books are waiting~;)
Are we anywhere close? Are you going to tell us what it is?
https://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3528/unit41kk.th.jpg (https://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unit41kk.jpg)
These are the Frámêhárjōz, or Spear Warriors, who formed the bulk of any Germanic force and were very versatile warriors. They are found throughout the Germanic areas as rebels and are available to the Sweboz.
Next up we have something that shouldn't be hard to guess culturally, but specifically, we'll see who comes close:
https://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7708/unit54el.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
Celtiberian or Brythonic swordsmen of somekind?
antiochus epiphanes
11-04-2005, 06:46
getai or sarmatian that is my guess
The trousers shout 'Gaul', and the armour looks pretty extravagant, but the facepaint tells me otherwise. Most Gauls didn't paint their faces. So I'll go with a Briton of some kind, probably one of those 'Gallic Britons'. Medium sword-wielding infantry.
Artabrii
11-04-2005, 08:06
I think this warrior is from Britania, He cant be a celtiberian warrior because He use war paintings.
This unit has been made by Aymar?
It`s a beatiful unit :)
Ianofsmeg16
11-04-2005, 08:30
Considering the link between Brittania (Facepaint etc) and Gaul (the trousers) i think it's a Belgae swordsmen, recruitable for Brittannia
Birka Viking
11-04-2005, 11:16
I think it's a Iberian unit.Very nice skin~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:
the_handsome_viking
11-04-2005, 20:08
no matter what faction that unit belongs to, it can't be denied that those are some really fancy trousers.
Spendios
11-04-2005, 22:06
The paints on the face make me think he comes from the British Isles. But he has a strange armour who look iberian...
An ibero-british ?~;p
Seleukus I Nicator
11-04-2005, 23:44
Erm just because I tried to guess for other units ill try to guess for this one.
Im not really good at Barbarian units.
This guy looks like a barbarian from somewhere west. I have no idea what tribe, what specific region, but I know he is not Hypaspist
Good looking skin though.
Considering the link between Brittania (Facepaint etc) and Gaul (the trousers) i think it's a Belgae swordsmen, recruitable for Brittannia
I don't normally comment much on these, but this comment confuses me; what about the trousers? Britons wore trousers too, and wore plaid and stripes and such on them (and in rare cases checks, but those were more Gallic). Sorry, but this comment just confuses me.
I say that it is some sort of elite british swordsman. The shield and armor are very similar to the Calawre unit shown in the Casse preview.
the_handsome_viking
11-05-2005, 08:47
In the Casse preview it stated that scale mail at one point became the primary armor of the britons or something to that extent, so this swordsman face paint and armor choice all seems very british.
I'm guessing casse elite swordsman.
Mr Jones
11-08-2005, 07:56
i now think it is a casse captain on foot, or a unit officer. or even a general on foot if you have these.
I'd say that is a unit of the Badassitites, which with whom I shall kill many a foe........
This is a briton warrior.I think that it is an elite unit. Maybe he`s a champion or something like that?
"Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli appellantur"~D
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Horum Omnium Fortissimi Sunt Belgae ~:)
Hmm... still no correct answer?
Then it may not be Celt-Iberian, (my first guess based on the armor), and it may not be specifically British, (although it seems similar to other Casse units). Therefore I'll put the two together and pull this out of my hat:
Medium to heavy infantry unit from southern Hibernia recruitable by the Casse and maybe even Iberia?
Spendios
11-15-2005, 18:37
So nobody has found the correct answer ?
Could you give us a hint ?
well to be honoust a few awsers were correct but I guess the awnsers aren't the reason there aren't any screenshots posted. Khelvan is verry hard at work atm and so are most of the other too. But that's only a good thing ~;)
Mr Jones
11-16-2005, 04:14
can u at least tell us the correct answer?
Spendios
11-16-2005, 18:04
well to be honoust a few awsers were correct but I guess the awnsers aren't the reason there aren't any screenshots posted. Khelvan is verry hard at work atm and so are most of the other too. But that's only a good thing
That's good news ! GO EB TEAM GO !!!!
can u at least tell us the correct answer?
yes I can.~;p
Antagonist
11-17-2005, 22:31
Will you tell us the correct answer?
Antagonist
it's a casse unit: the cwmyr are non noble midlander champions. they fight with short swords and have good quality scale leather armor. They're considerable skill inspires their fellows. (from the short unit desc.)
Narayanese
11-17-2005, 23:01
Hmm, it looks celtic but everyone has guessed that, so I'll say it's a weraz chwas habjooz targan untha brandan ~:).
Edit: Oh you posted the answer while I translated. Nice unit btw.
it's a casse unit: the cwmyr are non noble midlander champions. they fight with short swords and have good quality scale leather armor. They're considerable skill inspires their fellows. (from the short unit desc.)
Ha! I have already two right answers on my account.~D
Ha! I have already two right answers on my account.~D
poeh, I knew almost all of them~;)
alman7272
11-24-2005, 18:24
The faction is obviously the Illyrians.~;)
Idomeneas
11-24-2005, 20:15
hey guys is somebody gonna post some new pics or should we bury the thread before it starts smelling?~;)
Spendios
11-24-2005, 20:25
hey guys is somebody gonna post some new pics or should we bury the thread before it starts smelling?~;)
Starts smelling ? I hope it starts smelling the open beta...~;)
the_handsome_viking
11-25-2005, 00:31
http://csa.fragme.org/images/funny/stormtrooper%20shopping.jpeg
Ok guess the faction.
http://csa.fragme.org/images/funny/stormtrooper%20shopping.jpeg
Ok guess the faction.
Thugtroopers of the Empire?
edyzmedieval
11-25-2005, 10:42
Star Barbarorum: Thug Europa Empire ~D
Idomeneas
11-25-2005, 23:30
Starts smelling ? I hope it starts smelling the open beta...~;)
well hope so too ~:) if it was child it would start speaking by now~:)
Kääpäkorven Konsuli
11-25-2005, 23:58
http://csa.fragme.org/images/funny/stormtrooper%20shopping.jpeg
Ok guess the faction.
Out! Take your white devils back to the puppy thread! :charge:
http://csa.fragme.org/images/funny/stormtrooper%20shopping.jpeg
Ok guess the faction.
The Roman empire in a paralel universe were it had never fallen and made it to the 25th century :bow:
Reverend Joe
12-09-2005, 19:05
http://csa.fragme.org/images/funny/stormtrooper%20shopping.jpeg
Ok guess the faction.
Bartix! Who else?
Lvcivs Asiarvm
12-12-2005, 04:00
http://csa.fragme.org/images/funny/stormtrooper%20shopping.jpeg
Ok guess the faction.
Wait didn't you go to the 21 faction limit? :san_huh:
Teleklos Archelaou
12-12-2005, 04:04
Wait didn't you go to the 21 faction limit? :san_huh:No comment till the OB is out. :san_tongue:
Lvcivs Asiarvm
12-12-2005, 05:16
No comment till the OB is out. :san_tongue:
I hate mind games and I don't want to go recounting, gah; I had a peace of mind that might've been false but you ruined it. :san_cry:
O'ETAIPOS
12-15-2005, 20:26
No comment till the OB is out. :san_tongue:
OK, when I see comments like this I start deduction proces :san_tongue:
but then I look at Zorba's posts and fall deep into :san_huh:
Reverend Joe
12-16-2005, 04:26
OK, when I see comments like this I start deduction proces :san_tongue:
but then I look at Zorba's posts and fall deep into :san_huh:
You give me hope- maybe I can succeed as head of misinformation! :jester:
Seriously, just count up the faction previews.
Then:
Assume that we have added and removed factions, and you have your answer. ~;p
the_handsome_viking
12-17-2005, 18:07
You give me hope- maybe I can succeed as head of misinformation! :jester:
Seriously, just count up the faction previews.
Then:
Assume that we have added and removed factions, and you have your answer. ~;p
ASKJFLAKDGLAGJGLDSGJDKSFJGHKJWHKAJHFKLSJFLSAKDJGLASDGJLASDHKLASDHGLSADJLSADJLJLASDGJLSAKDJLSDKGJLDSA JGLASDJLSKDAJLASDJLASDHGLADSHGLDAGJLSDGJLSADJGSDLAKGHASKDJGHSDALGJHASDLKGJSDALKGHSDLAGHSLDAGHASLDGHA SDLGHSDLGHASDGJHAS;DGH;SDAJGHSA;DGHASGAS;DJGHSAKJGHSAKGHDKGHDSKGHASKGJDSFGSADGFAJDGSDFKSLJDF
Reverend Joe
12-18-2005, 06:15
ASKJFLAKDGLAGJGLDSGJDKSFJGHKJWHKAJHFKLSJFLSAKDJGLASDGJLASDHKLASDHGLSADJLSADJLJLASDGJLSAKDJLSDKGJLDSA JGLASDJLSKDAJLASDJLASDHGLADSHGLDAGJLSDGJLSADJGSDLAKGHASKDJGHSDALGJHASDLKGJSDALKGHSDLAGHSLDAGHASLDGHA SDLGHSDLGHASDGJHAS;DGH;SDAJGHSA;DGHASGAS;DJGHSAKJGHSAKGHDKGHDSKGHASKGJDSFGSADGFAJDGSDFKSLJDF
:laugh4: :bounce:
Faenaris
12-26-2005, 18:47
ASKJFLAKDGLAGJGLDSGJDKSFJGHKJWHKAJHFKLSJFLSAKDJGLASDGJLASDHKLASDHGLSADJLSADJLJLASDGJLSAKDJLSDKGJLDSA JGLASDJLSKDAJLASDJLASDHGLADSHGLDAGJLSDGJLSADJGSDLAKGHASKDJGHSDALGJHASDLKGJSDALKGHSDLAGHSLDAGHASLDGHA SDLGHSDLGHASDGJHAS;DGH;SDAJGHSA;DGHASGAS;DJGHSAKJGHSAKGHDKGHDSKGHASKGJDSFGSADGFAJDGSDFKSLJDF
Sweet lord, THAT many factions??? :san_shocked:
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