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Copperhaired Berserker!
10-12-2005, 23:11
From here, we shall conquer.
First of all, what is that in Latin and Greek? I am sure you know that.
Also, the real question. Would the Egyptians( I mean dancing egyptians!~;) ) earn a lot more money from farming in the season of the Nile flood? I definately know that the Nile was a great part of a Egyptian's life.
Greek_fire19
10-13-2005, 13:33
I don't know if scripting can change the income of a province based on the season, but it would be nice to have a 'harvest season' when all the income is collected á la shogun
Simetrical
10-14-2005, 04:26
From here, we shall conquer.
First of all, what is that in Latin and Greek?Buggered if I know.
Also, the real question. Would the Egyptians( I mean dancing egyptians!~;) ) earn a lot more money from farming in the season of the Nile flood? I definately know that the Nile was a great part of a Egyptian's life.I don't think we've implemented that. Dunno if we can, it might be possible.
QwertyMIDX
10-14-2005, 05:25
Also, the real question. Would the Egyptians( I mean dancing egyptians!~;) ) earn a lot more money from farming in the season of the Nile flood? I definately know that the Nile was a great part of a Egyptian's life.
We might be able to script such a thing...I'll talk to the scripters/traiters. If it works the way I'm envisioning though I might be a great idea.
From here, we shall conquer.
Ahem. From "hence".
Teleklos Archelaou
10-14-2005, 05:38
Ahem. From "hence".
I WILL KILL YOU!
But please don't make me.
I have a large grammar stick made just for smacking people who say "from hence" and "from whence".
(It's like Homer telling Pepe that "it's LEARN-ed", not "learn-ED".)
~D
Atheist_Peace
10-14-2005, 06:01
This feature can easily be done in BI by simply editing one text file, appropriately named descr_harvest.txt
Greek_fire19
10-14-2005, 11:35
In Shogun I thought it was quite a novel idea getting your money in the spring and then having to wait 3 turns before you got any more; kind of forced you to be a bit careful
conon394
10-14-2005, 11:47
Also, the real question. Would the Egyptians( I mean dancing Egyptians)earn a lot more money from farming in the season of the Nile flood? I definately know that the Nile was a great part of a Egyptian's life.
The flooding was as important ingredient for Egyptian agriculture, but so was the climate (that is with irrigation the Egyptians could double crops). But since a lot of Egyptian wealth was based on non-perishable export crops (papyrus and flax for example) that would have been exported throughout the sailing season, it seems just as effective to suggest generally wealthy provinces instead of a seasonal windfall. For crops like these the real income would be collected not at harvest time but when the Greek and Phoenician merchants coughed up the silver for them…
From here, we shall conquer.
First of all, what is that in Latin and Greek? I am sure you know that.
I'll give you the latin for that.
Ab hoc, vincemus.
I don't know the Greek though.
Foot
Simetrical
10-14-2005, 21:50
I have a large grammar stick made just for smacking people who say "from hence" and "from whence".Such as Shakespeare, the authors of the King James Bible, and in general those who lived in a time when the words were used in common speech?
Teleklos Archelaou
10-14-2005, 21:58
Such as Shakespeare, the authors of the King James Bible, and in general those who lived in a time when the words were used in common speech?If you can find a way for me to whack Shakespeare with it, then sure. Or the authors of the King James Bible, sure. Or for that matter Elrond.
It's incorrect today.
Copperhaired Berserker!
10-15-2005, 20:09
My real question is a bit mis-said. I meant to say, Will Eb implant a system which means that you earn more money in the flooding season?
conon394
10-15-2005, 22:00
Copperhaired Berserker
Why would you earn more in the flood season, think it through … It would be 6 or more months later when you would reap the benefits of a seasonal flood.
Simetrical
10-16-2005, 04:17
If you can find a way for me to whack Shakespeare with it, then sure. Or the authors of the King James Bible, sure. Or for that matter Elrond.
First Senator From whence?Shakespeare is buried in the chancel of the Holy Trinity Church in Stratford-Upon-Avon, Warwickshire, England. You should be able to book a jet tonight and be there in two days or so if you're serious about this grammar-stick-whacking business. Be sure to take photos, and I suggest you bring something to deal with the guards.
It's incorrect today.Seems to me the only reasonable way to determine what's "correct" is to evaluate usage, if you're going to agree that there's nothing wrong with language changing (and if you don't agree with that, I suggest you start brushing up on your Proto-Indo-European and hope everyone else does too). And based on usage, "from whence" is fine.
I bet you don't end sentences with prepositions, either.
Teleklos Archelaou
10-16-2005, 04:39
I bet you don't end sentences with prepositions, either.You win. Yay. :blank2:
I'll try to keep my big mouth shut next time.
Yessss! Score one for proper English!
bodidley
10-17-2005, 04:30
Shakespeare is being cited for proper English? He made up nonsense words for Jebus' sake.
Elizabethan English wasn't great, but what words did he create?
Shakespeare is being cited for proper English? He made up nonsense words for Jebus' sake.
Don't you drag me in to this, ass!
Greek_fire19
10-17-2005, 12:49
This directly from about.com:
Shakespeare's Influence
The English language owes a great debt to Shakespeare. He invented over 1700 of our common words by changing nouns into verbs, changing verbs into adjectives, connecting words never before used together, adding prefixes and suffixes, and devising words wholly original. Below is a list of a few of the words Shakespeare coined, hyperlinked to the play and scene from which it comes. When the word appears in multiple plays, the link will take you to the play in which it first appears.
academe accused addiction advertising amazement
arouse assassination backing bandit bedroom
beached besmirch birthplace blanket bloodstained
barefaced blushing bet bump buzzer
caked cater champion circumstantial cold-blooded
compromise courtship countless critic dauntless
dawn deafening discontent dishearten drugged
dwindle epileptic equivocal elbow excitement
exposure eyeball fashionable fixture flawed
frugal generous gloomy gossip green-eyed
gust hint hobnob hurried impede
impartial invulnerable jaded label lackluster
laughable lonely lower luggage lustrous
madcap majestic marketable metamorphize mimic
monumental moonbeam mountaineer negotiate noiseless
obscene obsequiously ode olympian outbreak
panders pedant premeditated puking radiance
rant remorseless savagery scuffle secure
skim milk submerge summit swagger torture
tranquil undress unreal varied vaulting
worthless zany
EDIT: plus all this:
If you cannot understand my argument, and declare "It's Greek to me", you are quoting Shakespeare; if you claim to be more sinned against than sinning, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you recall your salad days, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you act more in sorrow than in anger, if your wish is father to the thought, if your lost property has vanished into thin air, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you have ever refused to budge an inch or suffered from green-eyed jealousy, if you have played fast and loose, if you have been tongue-tied, a tower of strength, hoodwinked or in a pickle, if you have knitted your brows, made a virtue of necessity, insisted on fair play, slept not one wink, stood on ceremony, danced attendance (on your lord and master), laughed yourself into stitches, had short shrift, cold comfort or too much of a good thing, if you have seen better days or lived in a fool's paradise - why, be that as it may, the more fool you, for it is a foregone conclusion that you are (as good luck would have it) quoting Shakespeare; if you think it is early days and clear out bag and baggage, if you think it is high time and that that is the long and short of it, if you believe that the game is up and that truth will out even if it involves your own flesh and blood, if you lie low till the crack of doom because you suspect foul play, if you have your teeth set on edge (at one fell swoop) without rhyme or reason, then - to give the devil his due - if the truth were known (for surely you have a tongue in your head) you are quoting Shakespeare; even if you bid me good riddance and send me packing, if you wish I were dead as a door-nail, if you think I am an eyesore, a laughing stock, the devil incarnate, a stony-hearted villain, bloody-minded or a blinking idiot, then - by Jove! O Lord! Tut, tut! for goodness' sake! what the dickens! but me no buts - it is all one to me, for you are quoting Shakespeare. (Bernard Levin. From The Story of English)
Copperhaired Berserker!
10-17-2005, 12:57
Ahem, I thought we were talking about the Nile flood??
the ptolemoi are already rich enough as it is...just like in vanilla~;)
Dux Corvanus
10-17-2005, 19:53
Shakespeare's true name was William Fartnoise. Shakespeare is a phonetic acronym for "Sex Peer", a nick he gained by employing pieces of fruit in an unorthodox way.
http://www.oudefruitrassen.nl/Calebas%20peer.gif
Simetrical
10-17-2005, 21:21
This directly from about.com:Hyperlinks are tech. Such as this hyperlink (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/04/0419_040419_shakespeare.html).
Shakespeare's Influence
The English language owes a great debt to Shakespeare. He invented over 1700 of our common words by changing nouns into verbs, changing verbs into adjectives, connecting words never before used together, adding prefixes and suffixes, and devising words wholly original. Below is a list of a few of the words Shakespeare coined, hyperlinked to the play and scene from which it comes. When the word appears in multiple plays, the link will take you to the play in which it first appears.
academe accused addiction advertising amazement
arouse assassination backing bandit bedroom
beached besmirch birthplace blanket bloodstained
barefaced blushing bet bump buzzer
caked cater champion circumstantial cold-blooded
compromise courtship countless critic dauntless
dawn deafening discontent dishearten drugged
dwindle epileptic equivocal elbow excitement
exposure eyeball fashionable fixture flawed
frugal generous gloomy gossip green-eyed
gust hint hobnob hurried impede
impartial invulnerable jaded label lackluster
laughable lonely lower luggage lustrous
madcap majestic marketable metamorphize mimic
monumental moonbeam mountaineer negotiate noiseless
obscene obsequiously ode olympian outbreak
panders pedant premeditated puking radiance
rant remorseless savagery scuffle secure
skim milk submerge summit swagger torture
tranquil undress unreal varied vaulting
worthless zany
Despite Shakespeare's apparently considerable contributions to the language, Macrone and other academics are quick to caution that it is almost impossible say with absolutely certainty when a word or phrase was first used—or even whom to credit for creating it.
In Shakespeare's case, many of the words and phrases attributed to him merely debuted in their modern permutations in his writings and can actually be traced back to older forms. Other words and turns of phrase are indeed "original," insomuch as they are documented in the written record only as far back as Shakespeare.
If you cannot understand my argument, and declare "It's Greek to me", you are quoting Shakespeare; if you claim to be more sinned against than sinning, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you recall your salad days, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you act more in sorrow than in anger, if your wish is father to the thought, if your lost property has vanished into thin air, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you have ever refused to budge an inch or suffered from green-eyed jealousy, if you have played fast and loose, if you have been tongue-tied, a tower of strength, hoodwinked or in a pickle, if you have knitted your brows, made a virtue of necessity, insisted on fair play, slept not one wink, stood on ceremony, danced attendance (on your lord and master), laughed yourself into stitches, had short shrift, cold comfort or too much of a good thing, if you have seen better days or lived in a fool's paradise - why, be that as it may, the more fool you, for it is a foregone conclusion that you are (as good luck would have it) quoting Shakespeare; if you think it is early days and clear out bag and baggage, if you think it is high time and that that is the long and short of it, if you believe that the game is up and that truth will out even if it involves your own flesh and blood, if you lie low till the crack of doom because you suspect foul play, if you have your teeth set on edge (at one fell swoop) without rhyme or reason, then - to give the devil his due - if the truth were known (for surely you have a tongue in your head) you are quoting Shakespeare; even if you bid me good riddance and send me packing, if you wish I were dead as a door-nail, if you think I am an eyesore, a laughing stock, the devil incarnate, a stony-hearted villain, bloody-minded or a blinking idiot, then - by Jove! O Lord! Tut, tut! for goodness' sake! what the dickens! but me no buts - it is all one to me, for you are quoting Shakespeare. (Bernard Levin. From The Story of English)
To help prevent embarrassment, Macrone kindly provides a list of "faux Shakespeare" for his readers, including the following familiar sayings:
• All that glisters (glistens) is not gold
• To knit one's brow
• Cold comfort
• (To) give the devil his due
• To play fast and loose
• Till the last gasp
• Laughing stock
• Fool's paradise
• In a pickle
• Out of the question
• The long and the short of it
• It's Greek to me
• It's high time
• The naked truthI could probably substantiate some of those with the OED, if you're interested in specific rebuttals. But the idea that every word or phrase that is known to occur for the first time in Shakespeare was invented by him is idiotic, and that's all we can prove: that something's first known occurrence is in Shakespeare. He may arguably have influenced the English language more than any other individual save William the Conqueror, but that everyone uses words every day that he invented? I suspect not. There could be good evidence for that, conceivably, but I haven't seen it if there is.
Copperhaired Berserker!
10-17-2005, 22:56
What? We're still talking about shakesperae (SP?)? This is about Eb, not as a thread discusss Macbeth!~D
bodidley
10-18-2005, 01:53
Yeah yeah I'm familiar with Shakespeare, but he used the language he saw fit, not the language in common use or grammatical correctness (putting things into blank verse was more important). The English Shakespeare used is actually far more difficult to understand (mostly because of the made-up words) than normal Elizibethan English. Maybe one of the reasons why so many phrases are commonly attributed to Shakespeare is that his works are well-preserved while so many others are lost to time? Bellytimbers for thought :~p
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