All this complaining about Soly is getting on my Nerves.

[Efrem]

Now I'm the first person to accuse a mod of bias and attack them insesantly as my record will show.

But Soly doesn't deserve this. He is a good mod.

I've been visiting here more regularly these days because .com has become such a terrible place.

Now not only are politics and religion banned as well as any critism of moderators but food topics are banned as well. Because Killemall who is now admin decided they were boring. .org has had some problems in the past but is now at an excellent stage as for as moderating and structure goes.

I've been reading up on the complaints agianst Soly and he has managed to stick to the forum rules, the enforcement of which he is supposed to do. Now this is somewhat of a tightening of rules from the past and I would hope he is doing equal modding to the opinions of both sides but people have assumed he isn't and I haven't seen him not do this.

In short, unless Soly actually stops following the rules of the forum and enforces a policy of no food threads or no clinton threads then leave him alone.

[Strike For The South]

~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:

[Red Harvest]

Killemall...the poster child for lousy moderating. Haven't been to the .COM in a very long time, he and CA's approach back in the RTW 1.2 days made it rather useless. While I discuss things with moderators at times via PM, I rarely have a public tiff with one, but Killemall is...special. He's the sort that you want to make sure it is all out in front and public knowledge.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Save one or two exceptions during the prerelease unit previews of RTW, I haven't posted at the COM for over a year and a half now, because somebody deleted a post of mine, apparently about gameplay, without the feeling the need to state any reason in private or in the public. Now I don't even remember what the post was about, but definitely it didn't include any objectively objectionable material.

There used to be a Sea Dogs II forum at the Bethesda website before they sold out the game to Disney to become Pirates of the Caribbean. They had installed some infamous problem kids (renowned spammers and trolls) at the Sea Dogs (original) forum moderators there, for Lord knows why! The .com is, if at all, only slightly better that that in terms of administration and average poster quality.

Here at the ORG, we have a genuinely mature community. That is inclusive of our own spammers. We get along well. We're used to getting along well despite differences. The moderators and assistant moderators are all doing their best keeping things organized. The admins are aching to keep the site operating, giving out their precious times that they could have spent with their family, playing a game, watching a movie or whatever. Are they unfailable? No. Do they make mistakes? Yes. Are they doing their job good? Yes. Are they perfect in doing their job? No. Is there any perfect admin/mod over there on the entire internet (WWW and Usenet) working in such a large community? No.

So, Solypsist may have made a mistake. It is nonissue. Regardless he did or did not make a mistake, an entire horde of our beloved patrons, surprisingly sharing a strongly and agressively established political agenda, jump upon Solypsist's throat. Surprisingly still, almost all at the same time. It's no more about whether Soly made a mistake or not. It's a well planned, organized and to my perception not the least defensive or innocent in any sense aggression.

The administration of this forum have shown extraordinary patience and toleration towards this plot. My congratulations. :bow:
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[Catiline]

One point to guide your discussion gents, as has been made clear may times in the past, .org is not the place to discuss the politics of another TW forum, or of it's mods and patrons.

[Drisos]

First I'd like to hear what solypsist himself has to say about the case. If I understand everything correctly, he indeed made a mistake. But from many I heard he has always been a good mod so I don't see a reason to take action for this one mistake.

This is all I have to say and will say about the entire matter. Not meaning that my opinion is of any importance of course.

[PanzerJaeger]

Put yourself in Prole's shoes.. you wouldnt complain? What about DGB, who was personally insulted by the comment? There is ample reason for all of the complaining about his modding.

[Geoffrey S]

Put yourself in our shoes... sure, solypsist's way of handling things wasn't good, but some people are really blowing things out of all proportion; all the rhetoric and agression is seriously hampering the generally respectful atmosphere around these forums, and I'd like to advise members to show some more restraint. Dgb showed how a little restraint and politeness can get a go a long way when questioning a moderator's choice of words, something which a number of other members could (and should) learn from.

[Divinus Arma]

Why do we need a second thread on this? I'll starwars the crap out of this one too.~D




That was a joke.

[Reverend Joe]

And I fear Soly. But I just fear the mods.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Ground control to Major Tom Ground control to Major Tom:
Take your protein pills and put your helmet on
Ground control to Major Tom: Commencing countdown engine's on
Check ig-nition and may God's love be with you

This is ground control to Major Tom, you've really made the grade!
And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear,
Now it's time to leave the capsule if you dare

This is Major Tom to ground con-trol, I'm stepping through the door
And I'm floating in the most peculiar way
And the stars look very difeerent today

For here am I sitting in a tin can, far above the world
Planet Earth is blue and there's nothing I can do

BRIDGE

Though I'm passed one hundred thousand miles, I'm feeling very still
And I think my spaceship knows which way to go,
tell my wife I love her very much she knows

Ground control to Major Tom:
Your circuit's dead, there's something wong.
Can you hear me Major Tom?
Can you hear me Major Tom?
Can you hear me Major Tom? Can you ...

Here am I floating round my tin can, far above the moon
Planet Earth is blue and there's nothing I can do

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Nice to see you appreciate the genius of David Bowie, Capo.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

LOL! Well, this thread is just:
http://www.bird-man.com/images/attachments/_12_14_2004-spam.JPG

Seriously. There are like 5 other threads on the issue, why make ANOTHER ONE?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Cartman: Ummm, Mom...
Mrs. Cartman: Yes, honey?
Cartman: Um, can I got to the Special Olympics and beat all the special children?
Mrs. Cartman: No, honey, I believe that is for special children.
Cartman: You mean, I'm not special? I thought you said I was special.



Were all speccial.

[Drisos]

Put yourself in Prole's shoes.. you wouldnt complain?

Does she really have a warning now? I thought not. I wouldn't complain further in that case.


What about DGB, who was personally insulted by the comment? There is ample reason for all of the complaining about his modding.

Insults happen often. Especially in backroom. but when it is soly who does it suddenly people start complaining in watchtower.

[Shambles]

Insults happen often. Especially in backroom. but when it is soly who does it suddenly people start complaining in watchtower.


My personal oppinion Is that mods Or Any 1 who has some sort of power. Should remain as neutral as possible,
Personal feelings should be put asside in my oppinion,

ive already stated in a previous thread My oppinions about religious threads,

basically I feel that the Oriogional Poster should be punished for inciting an argument.

I cant blame ANY of the mods for There actions, as they obviously think its the best thing to do,

But for example.

Some 1 prazing natzis. Would possibly get banned,
That to me is simply predjudice.
Every 1 has an oppinion,
And to me some 1 prazing religion is the same as some 1 prazing natzies.

Its BOUND to start an argument,
But where as in the case of the Natzi thread,
the person who was prazing natzis would probably be the 1 to get banned..

In the case of people prazing religion,
It would usualy be the one who Stated things like "religion is dumb"
that would get warned.

This to me is Not a case of moderators staying neutrall.

We all have our own oppinions And so do the mods,

Obviously mods should be allowed to express there oppinions,
But I dont think its right for them to use there powers to try and Scare people with difrent oppinions In to not expressing them,.

Ive prety much always Hosted a server of some sort,
and now i also host STW server.

I have NEVER baned any 1 No matter how much they offended my oppinions,
Becous, Thats all they are,
Oppinions,
And every 1 has 1, and Every 1 is allowed them.

Now im not saying Mods here at the ORG use there power to prevent people expressing there oppinions,
And In fact,
here at the org I have never been warned for expressing my oppinoions, No matter How offencive they are,

But for posts i have read of late.
I beleve this wont be the case for long,

I just hope that The mods Atleast try to keep there personal feelings out of the Matter.


ShambleS

[Goofball]

So, Solypsist may have made a mistake. It is nonissue. Regardless he did or did not make a mistake, an entire horde of our beloved patrons, surprisingly sharing a strongly and agressively established political agenda, jump upon Solypsist's throat. Surprisingly still, almost all at the same time.

Not surprising at all. Just go and have a look at the posts in the Konservative Klub thread prior to this attack.


It's no more about whether Soly made a mistake or not. It's a well planned, organized and to my perception not the least defensive or innocent in any sense aggression.

And I finally figured out why!

SPOILER ALERT!
WARNING: If you do not want to learn one of the deepest, darkest secrets of the Org, STOP READING RIGHT NOW! DO NOT SCROLL DOWN!





























Okay, I guess you really want to know.

Ready?

Here it comes:

Soly is actually Bill Clinton IRL!

Think about it!

1) He's a witty, funny guy who regularly pwns slow-witted conservatives in debates;

2) He's admired by liberal men and women (and, I suspect, secretly fantasized about by a goodly number of straight-laced Republican wives) everywhere;

3) He's demonized and attacked at every turn by conservatives;

4) When Clinton had his health problems recently and underwent surgery, Soly was mysteriously "out of town" and unable to post at the Org for a while.

You're not fooling us anymore Soly... err... I mean Bill...

On behalf of the liberal members of the Org, let me say that we're glad to have you aboard...

:bow:

[InsaneApache]

Dear me :no:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Soly is actually Bill Clinton IRL!


Talk about a personal attack.~D

[solypsist]

i can't figure out if calling me Clinton is a compliment or an insult.


Talk about a personal attack.~D

[edyzmedieval]

Take it as a compliment.

You wouldn't like it if it was an insult....~;)

[Del Arroyo]

Soly just likes attention. :balloon2: ~:cool: :balloon2: ~:cool: :balloon2: ~:cool: :balloon2:

And the Mods here at the Org have decided to make like the Catholic Hierarchy and never be wrong. :blankg: :blankg: :blankg:

Honestly alot of Mod behavior that I see is pretty transparent and pretty annoying, but, on the balance, it serves a purpose, I think. At any rate I've no incentive to fight them, and no real reason to leave the Org, at least at this point.

DA

[Efrem]

I really think the Clinton comparison is ban worthy!

[caesar44]

[QUOTE=Shambles]

But for example.

Some 1 prazing natzis. Would possibly get banned,
That to me is simply predjudice.
Every 1 has an oppinion,
And to me some 1 prazing religion is the same as some 1 prazing natzies.

Its BOUND to start an argument,
But where as in the case of the Natzi thread,
the person who was prazing natzis would probably be the 1 to get banned..



Praising the Nazis is to praise the Holocaust
Praising the Nazis is to praise the killing of minorities
Praising the Nazis is to praise totalitarianism , dictatorship , prosecutions , imperialism and militarism
Praising the Nazis is to prise a culture of death , Satanism and evil
Praising the Nazis is to praise the death of freedom

There are thousands of internet sites where you can praise the Nazis , we should have another one here ?

[Shambles]

[QUOTE=Shambles]

But for example.

Some 1 prazing natzis. Would possibly get banned,
That to me is simply predjudice.
Every 1 has an oppinion,
And to me some 1 prazing religion is the same as some 1 prazing natzies.

Its BOUND to start an argument,
But where as in the case of the Natzi thread,
the person who was prazing natzis would probably be the 1 to get banned..



Praising the Nazis is to praise the Holocaust
Praising the Nazis is to praise the killing of minorities
Praising the Nazis is to praise totalitarianism , dictatorship , prosecutions , imperialism and militarism
Praising the Nazis is to prise a culture of death , Satanism and evil
Praising the Nazis is to praise the death of freedom

There are thousands of internet sites where you can praise the Nazis , we should have another one here ?


If you dont understand The Sentance, Dont start Implying it means something els,

Read It Understand,
Then think before you type.

[Shambles]

And next time Please close Quote Brackets So it dosent make me look like I was the 1 who Said all that Bull about Praizing Natzis,

Its A simple enough concept,

Natziz beleved they were right,
Religios people beleve they were right,
Im here And i think there all wrong,.

And either topic Angers me just as much,

Religious wars are same as hollocoust in my books,

Hope you comprehend now

[Ludens]

Oh dear, I feel an entire argument about the relative merits and demerits of religion coming up. This should be reserved to the Backroom (of the Tavern).

Comparing praising of religion to praising of Natzism is liable to spark yet an entirely different discusion, which doubt anyone (and least of all the staff) is waiting for.

Please stick to the problem under discussion!

[caesar44]

No comment .

[Shambles]

Sorry about that,
But he seemd to have Missunderstood what I ment with my oppinion of the 2 Topics,
the origional statement i had written Was in keeping to the topic,
the response however needed a reply that was off topic.

There for i appologize for side tracking the conversation,

ShambleS

[Ludens]

Sorry about that,
But he seemd to have Missunderstood what I ment with my oppinion of the 2 Topics,
the origional statement i had written Was in keeping to the topic,
the response however needed a reply that was off topic.
I understand what you are trying to say and I can see your reasoning, but comparing anything to natzi's is highly offensive, especially such a touchy subject as religion. I think most religious people actually despise Natzi's. But dogmatism is not limited to either Natzi's or religions.

On the original subject: I am in complete agreement with you. Moderators should never punish a patron that has been offensive to them personally. However, it is quite possible there is more to this case than has so far been revealed. A post of Solypsist explaining his actions might clear this up, but the Org staff has a policy of not revealing their interactions punished patrons.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Not surprising at all. Just go and have a look at the posts in the Konservative Klub thread prior to this attack.

Really? Find one post where I did any such thing. Why don't you look at the Soly welcome thread and find what I had to say there, huh?



Does she really have a warning now? I thought not. I wouldn't complain further in that case.

She does, and I have an alert, and Don got a warning too.


Killemall

Anyone here would look good compared to him.


Regardless he did or did not make a mistake, an entire horde of our beloved patrons, surprisingly sharing a strongly and agressively established political agenda, jump upon Solypsist's throat.

If by 'jumping on his throat', you mean 'posting a mature and thoughtful post on his merits as a moderater, and by 'Regardless he did or did not make a mistake', you mean called me a retard, then yes, you're correct.

Crazed Rabbit

[Drisos]

She does, and I have an alert, and Don got a warning too.

Oh I didn't know. Most of these threads is so much BlaBla I couldn't figure out the facts behind this.

Well, what for have you and Don been punished? And above all, why Prole? I still don't see what she did wrong which was so out of line... I don't know about any PM's sent of course, but in that case: Can someone give me an explanation why action has been taken to Prole?

[GoreBag]

Get in line, Drisos. I'm waiting for the same thing.

[Drisos]

I'll wait. ~:cheers:

I don't like the fact that the answer wasn't given earlier... if Prole's warning had good reason then why can't the reason be shared with us?

My simple plan for solving such thing:

1) Get the facts straight.
2) Think of forum rules.
3) Explain people why the action was justice. / Admit it wasn't, turn it back and apologize.
4) Close these threads about the subject and move on. The .org people lived happily ever after.
5) The end.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I was alerted for 'destroying a fun thread'. I think Prole and Don got warnings for the same thng, though I'm not 100% sure.

Crazed Rabbit

[Xiahou]

Those warnings, particularly Prole's (which apparently was removed initially, and then reinstated for the above reason), we inexcusable. And the deafening silence from the rest of the staff on it is less than reassuring.

Was the "dumb americans" thread meant as harmless fun? Quite possibly, but you really can't blame some Americans for getting irritated by being the subject of sweeping generalizations like that and they certainly shouldn't be warned for expressing their irritation.

[drone]

I was going to post this in the "unoffensive deleted threads" thread, but Tosa closed it while I was writing it, so I may as well stick it here. This was in regards to Mithrandir's question about the "tone of late", and Crazed Rabbit's resonse:



It is people getting warned for reporting a mod's post, others being warned for 'destroying a fun thread', comments like Spino's being edited without reason, mod's making retard jokes, etc. Basically, it is a tone of patrons being warned for disagreeing with a mod.

Crazed Rabbit
Spino's comments were edited for a very good reason. I have the screenshot, with the original text, since I was a little shocked by the post and figured he would get slammed for it (he did, not sure how the board works, but it seems he was demoted and I can't see his profile). If he had just left his post with the first paragragh, he might have been ok, but his second paragraph was way over the line. Abuse aside, though, he had a good point.

Proletariat reported a post by a moderator, and was promptly warned by the same mod. Many members, myself included, feel that this was a conflict of interest. She argued her case in the Watchtower, and it sort of snowballed from there.

As someone who's been watching this like a car wreck, I think there are 2 factors feeding this "tone of late". One is the inability to just let things drop, continued argument has only fed the flames and led to animosity. The second is the posting style of solypsist. The way he words his posts leave room for misinterpretation, and it seems that he assumes that everyone will get "the joke" or understand the clever meaning. The problem is, given the events of the past two weeks, certain members have no idea how to take his posts, and automatically assume they are attacks on them that they cannot respond to without action. Coupled with "the new rules" (actually just old rules enforced differently), Backroom posters don't really know what to do. And the silence from the staff in the Watchtower discussions is not helping.

I don't know if solypsist is using his mod status to target members that don't agree with his views. I don't think so, but I can see where some Backroom posters can interpret his actions as such. If he is, then a) the Backroom will get very dull very quickly, and b) members can assume they win the argument when he acts, since then it is apparent he has no counter aside from censorship. If he is modding fairly, then it might help if he were a little more clear with his modding-related comments, but it's not my place to tell a mod how to do his/her job.

Just a lurker's two cents...
Sorry for the slightly off-topic post, but it took me a while to put that together, didn't want to waste it. Anybody know what happened to Spino? Demotion, temp ban, permanent ban?

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[The Stranger]

oh my goodness ~:eek:

[drone]

Just checked again, Spino's profile page shows up now, as a Junior Member. Guess he got stuck in the cooler for a couple of days. ~:handball:

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Soly just likes attention. :balloon2: ~:cool: :balloon2: ~:cool: :balloon2: ~:cool: :balloon2:

DA

Maybe...~D

You're cool with my soly. Keep up the good work!:bow:

[Kaiser of Arabia]

No matter what we do, we're going to lose unless we can get some people into the staff ,which will never happen. Unfortunatly, Xiahou, Crazed, etc, we need to lie dormant for now, and strike when the time is right. ~:bow:

[AntiochusIII]

No matter what we do, we're going to lose unless we can get some people into the staff ,which will never happen. Unfortunatly, Xiahou, Crazed, etc, we need to lie dormant for now, and strike when the time is right. ~:bow:That...disturbs me. I suppose the staff would need to launch a witchhunt then: the Inquisition against the Neo-Connor. ( :P )

And this is still going on? Wow.

I have a request for Duke John, or Seamus, or anyone with any interest: build me a masterpiece picture of the banstick! ~D I don't care if it's long or short, thick or thin, Harry Potter's wand or Merlin's staff, or even if it is Beirut-cutted Canadian wood or African rainforests wood. I don't even care if it's going to be LOTR-style or Star Wars, or even Dune, for that matter. Make your choice. Just make me a piece.

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[Duke John]

Why make a banstick when they are on the internet already? http://www.laughatrice.com/forum/images/smiles/banstick.gif

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/hugo456/banstick.png

http://members.cox.net/amunson1/images/banstick5.gif

http://khayman.osnn.net/threadpics/banstick_lg.jpg

[LeftEyeNine]

Before this turns into a guild against the moderators versus moderators, I suggest that the related patrons may discuss the issue in realtime - where is the chat room.