Open Nomination of Senior Membership for GAWAIN [Archive]

Divinus Arma

10-15-2005, 01:46

Alright. Why the heck has this not already occurred?

I think it is high time that Gawain is elevated to Senior Member.

His posts, while politically motivated, contribute to a fun and healthy atmosphere in the backroom. He is a respected member of the community and is a leader amongst members.

Why not, after 11,000 posts, grant him that status as Senior Member.

It is my opinion that, whether you agree with his politics or not, Gawain of Orkeny, should be given said status.

~:cheers:

Reverend Joe

10-15-2005, 01:50

Becuase he's an ASS. :stare:

~D

Nah, he does deserve senior membership. He has been around way too long, and he has posted way too many times, to still just be a member.

Reverend Joe

10-15-2005, 01:51

Sorry about the double post (damn no-editing rule) but I just want to make it clear I am not really calling Gawain an ass.

Strike For The South

10-15-2005, 01:51

he does and so does JAG

Big_John

10-15-2005, 02:08

His posts, while politically motivated, contribute to a fun and healthy atmosphere in the backroom.:inquisitive:

He is a respected member of the community and is a leader amongst members.:sleepy:

~:handball:

:saint:

Byzantine Prince

10-15-2005, 02:13

He definetly deserves it. His contribution is enormous, and seeing as he already is a senior citizen, why not grant him the privilege of being one in the org as well? ~D

Kagemusha

10-15-2005, 02:30

Yes give the old pittbull it he deserves it.:bow:

Seamus Fermanagh

10-15-2005, 03:17

I do not know the criteria for such a rating, but if activity and length of membership count, I believe he's "paid his dues."

Seamus

Divinus Arma

10-15-2005, 03:26

Damn. Del Arroyo voted No. That's just cold. What's up Del Taco? That's messed up!

Well, at least you admited you are a selfish prick for all to see.

Darth Soly also voted no. But that just explains itself.

GoreBag

10-15-2005, 03:30

Now, your insults towards these members for their opinion makes me want to vote no, just to rub it in your face.

Divinus Arma

10-15-2005, 03:41

Now, your insults towards these members for their opinion makes me want to vote no, just to rub it in your face.

Woof. Now I'll crap on YOUR carpet. It 'twas a joke my friend. Don't get so angry. Del Arroyo is a good man. You obviously did not read the poll options.

If it makes you feel better, you can look at YodaInu:
https://img353.imageshack.us/img353/8370/currentmindlesspic36qr.png (https://imageshack.us)

Do You feel better?

I do.

Divinus Arma

10-15-2005, 03:43

And for the record, Del Taco is a delicious restaraunt in Southern California.

AntiochusIII

10-15-2005, 03:43

he does and so does JAGApart from soly, JAG has the coolest avatar around. ~D He's not around as often any more though, and the .org is so much less colorful (well, at least soly's return helps...oh the drama of his first week here :P)

As for the status, I cannot vote until an official person (mods, admin, senior members themselves) can give a basic outline of the qualification as a senior member.

Divinus Arma

10-15-2005, 03:46

There is no criteria. It is totally ambiguous.

solypsist

10-15-2005, 03:51

actually i'm indifferent, but that second option is pretty crap, so i figured i'd vote with the least favorable option.

GoreBag

10-15-2005, 04:05

Woof. Now I'll crap on YOUR carpet. It 'twas a joke my friend. Don't get so angry. Del Arroyo is a good man. You obviously did not read the poll options.

Oh, I did. Just don't ask the question if you won't like the answer.

Kaiser of Arabia

10-15-2005, 04:13

Gawain is my man, he deserves Senior Membership more than just about anyone on this board.

God bless, Gawain.

Gregoshi

10-15-2005, 04:51

There are quite a few patrons worthy of becoming Senior Members. When the time comes for such promotions, there are usually at least a dozen nominations put forth by the staff but only about half of these are selected - not because the others arent' worthy, it is just that we are trying to keep the numbers down so Senior Membership remains a special recognition. Senior Membership would have little significance if half the Org patrons were of that level. So, just because Gawain (or anyone else) isn't a Senior Member, it doesn't mean 1) we don't think he is worthy of it; and 2) that he hasn't been nominated previously. Between all the staff, we do tend to recognize those who are deserving of such a promotion.

Since Divinus has brought up the subject, it reminds me that we may be due for another round of Senior Member promotions. I'll bring it up with Tosa.

Last note before someone brings up the "elitist" issue, promotion to Senior Member is simply the Org staff's way of saying "thank you" to those patrons who make the Org a better place. The importance of the promotion is only meant to be significant to the member being promoted. It is not an promotion that makes the Senior Member better than any other patron. All patrons are expected to respect each other regardless of their rank.

Del Arroyo

10-15-2005, 05:43

Yeah, I liked that second poll option ~D I had to go with my first instinct.

DA

Divinus Arma

10-15-2005, 06:11

Gawain!!! You voted against yourself! You shellfish prick!!!~D

See? That is exactly the type of selfless honesty we need around here. He couldn't care less.

Which makes him all the more worthy.~:cheers:

Drisos

10-15-2005, 08:08

Yeah, I liked that second poll option ~D I had to go with my first instinct.

Same here.

I especially liked the 'I ****' in it, main reason I voted no.

Anyways I might vote different in an official poll for senior membership for GAWAIN... now I'm taking my chance to annoy Divinus arma... because I envy him! he makes such great org wars pics... ~D

caesar44

10-15-2005, 15:44

[QUOTE=Gregoshi]Senior Membership would have little significance if half the Org patrons were of that level.

Agreed , but you can solve the problem by creating a Master membership and than a Super membership , the sky is the limit ~;)

Krypta

10-15-2005, 16:42

AggonyKing

10-15-2005, 17:12

he voted against himself, maybe he doesn't wnat to be one unless others are promoted too

Duke Malcolm

10-15-2005, 18:06

There should be a proper system for promotion to senior membership, with nominations, elections, and polls and such and such like and so on and so forth et cetera, etc...

Gawain of Orkeny

10-15-2005, 18:12

There should be a proper system for promotion to senior membership, with nominations, elections, and polls and such and such like and so on and so forth et cetera, etc...

There is and its done by the mods. Its worked this way since Ive been here and I see no reason to change it now. Thats why I voted against myself.

Duke Malcolm

10-15-2005, 18:16

Is there? I had no idea... I thought it might only have been on command of HH YodaInu...

Devastatin Dave

10-15-2005, 19:01

I voted No, because I can think of 2 occasions and perhaps a third, where he has linked to Hate/White Supremist sites to back up his views. If the org hands out accolades for that type of contribution, Tosa can revoke my account.

Well the other night at the Klan rally Gawain and I discussed this issue at length. It was kind of hard to hear each other above the screams of a black man we had just lynched and set ablaze. Between our goose-stepping march practice and torching of a synagogue, Gawain had said that he did not really see the issue about he becoming or not being selected to senior membership. We agree, tarred and feathered a Chinaman, and went back to reading the assumptions of dimwitted persons we radomly see throughout the Guild.~D

solypsist

10-15-2005, 19:26

oh nm, you can't edit your posts in here anyway.

Well the other night at the Klan rally Gawain and I discussed this issue at length. It was kind of hard to hear each other above the screams of a black man we had just lynched and set ablaze. Between our goose-stepping march practice and torching of a synagogue, Gawain had said that he did not really see the issue about he becoming or not being selected to senior membership. We agree, tarred and feathered a Chinaman, and went back to reading the assumptions of dimwitted persons we radomly see throughout the Guild.~D

Viking

10-15-2005, 19:28

High postcount does not qualify for senior membership alone. I don`t see why, let`s say for example you, deserve less a senior membership then Gawain.

Ludens

10-15-2005, 20:52

Reverend Joe

10-15-2005, 23:23

I wanted to vote yes, but I am arrogant and selfish, so...

Seriously, Gawain of Orkney may very well deserve a senior membership but I think popularity contests are not the way to go. This would mean that all senior memberships would go to the modding community and the front/backroom patrons while minority groups like S:TW and (increasingly) M:TW players would get nothing. The senior memberships is intended as a recognition of worth from the forum staff. For the community to express respect or admiration, there are the HOF awards.

It's not popularity- I'm not exactly a fan of Gawain (hell, I can think of a tussle or two we've been in; there's a reason I try to refrain from posting in political threads, besides them being boring) but I voted yes. Why? Because of seniorship. He has been around a long time, and he has been active for a long time. Also, he is very rarely a spammer (unlike myself- I'll admit it). I would say these are good criteria for senior membership.

Kaiser of Arabia

10-15-2005, 23:30

I voted No, because I can think of 2 occasions and perhaps a third, where he has linked to Hate/White Supremist sites to back up his views. If the org hands out accolades for that type of contribution, Tosa can revoke my account.
Please, keep politics out of it (unless you want to bring up times other patrons have used other biased sites as evidence ~;) ).
But, let's hope for the best with this.

Myrddraal

10-16-2005, 04:12

I think Ludens has it in a nutshell, you don't get elected as a senior member. Perhaps Gawain will get senior membership (I have absolutely no clue as to whether he deserves it :smile:) but this thread won't help him get there, in any way whatsoever...
That's my personal opinion, not an org policy or whatever. :book:

EDIT: I see Gawain himself voted no. It would seem for the same reason as I said above, so I've gone ahead and done the same. This doesn't mean I don't think he should be senior member (like I said I have no idea), its a matter of principal.

I wanted to vote yes, but I am arrogant and selfish, so...

Seriously, Gawain of Orkney may very well deserve a senior membership but I think popularity contests are not the way to go. This would mean that all senior memberships would go to the modding community and the front/backroom patrons while minority groups like S:TW and (increasingly) M:TW players would get nothing. The senior memberships is intended as a recognition of worth from the forum staff. For the community to express respect or admiration, there are the HOF awards.

Slyspy

10-17-2005, 03:38

Tell me again why it matters and then I may vote. But then since the vote will have no effect and Gawain appears to be against it anyway....where is the GAH! option?

Divinus Arma

10-17-2005, 16:26

Let me clarify the intent of this thread a little. I agree, it is not a popularity contest.

Further, I would hate to see Gawain overlooked simply because I posted this thread. As in "oh the members think they can be senior just by holding a poll. Well the'r wrong. Gawain? DENIED."

I simply see Gawain as a respected and regular member of the community, more so then many of the regular members, myself included. I wanted to bring a little attention to the matter and see who felt the same. My choice of words convey my jaded point of view on the matter.

There is and its done by the mods. Its worked this way since Ive been here and I see no reason to change it now. Thats why I voted against myself.

See? Exactly. Respect for the Org.

Ser Clegane

10-17-2005, 16:36

Further, I would hate to see Gawain overlooked simply because I posted this thread. As in "oh the members think they can be senior just by holding a poll. Well the'r wrong. Gawain? DENIED."

I think you can rest assured that this is not going to happen ~:)

(This is not an "official" staff announcement :bow: )

Myrddraal

10-18-2005, 01:44

Gawain of Orkeny

10-18-2005, 02:01

I would just like to say that what makes being a senior member so special ,at least to me is that you never know when or for what reason you get it until you do. The fact that the staff has determined that you deserve it means that you have made a major contibution to the org . It informs all that you are held in high esteem here. That is the highest honor one could ask for here. OK that should get me in.. ~D

Sjakihata

10-18-2005, 12:16

Why not, after 11,000 posts, grant him that status as Senior Member.

First of all, it's not the amount of posts that decide if you are 'elevated' nor is it the time of joining.

Second of all, it's a matter decided amongst the mods and none of our business.

Ludens

10-18-2005, 13:16

Let me clarify the intent of this thread a little. I agree, it is not a popularity contest.

(...)

I simply see Gawain as a respected and regular member of the community, more so then many of the regular members, myself included. I wanted to bring a little attention to the matter and see who felt the same. My choice of words convey my jaded point of view on the matter.
It is not so much your words as that you chose to make a poll of it. I don't see anything wrong with members nominating other members for senior membership, but if you present it as a public vote the only likely candidates are those that are both well-known and generally liked. And these two are not necesarily linked to ones contributions to the Org.

I would just like to say that what makes being a senior member so special ,at least to me is that you never know when or for what reason you get it until you do. The fact that the staff has determined that you deserve it means that you have made a major contibution to the org . It informs all that you are held in high esteem here. That is the highest honor one could ask for here.
That is what makes it important for me too. :bow:

el_slapper

10-19-2005, 12:07

I voted no just because of the insult in the poll. Would have it been just "yes or no", I'd have abstained myself, or maybe even voted yes. The formula is extremely agressive, & it does NOT help the cause pleaded. :furious3:

I have nothing against Gawain, though. I'm very far from its ideas, but well, that's what they call freedom.....

Goofball

10-25-2005, 23:57

I voted yes, for a few of reasons:

1) Gawain, more than most posters in the Backroom, usually seems genuinely motivated to try to persuade others over to his way of thinking because he honestly believes that the world would be a better place for everybody if things were his way. As opposed to others, who are sometimes motivated to win arguments in order to score cheap points, or simply like making others feel small (and yes, sadly, I have to admit I have been driven by the latter set of motivations on more than one occasion).

2) As somebody has already mentioned, since Gawain is one of our few (only?) senior citizens, I think it fitting that he should be a senior member.

and:

3) I guess that (despite my better judgment) I just plain like the old dinosaur...

~:grouphug:

Mouzafphaerre

10-26-2005, 00:10

.
I like Gawain granted that I never read any of his backroom posts. Thinking about it again, it might have to do with my schizoid persona. ~D
.

Hurin_Rules

10-28-2005, 03:38

I'm going to abstain.

I like Gawain as a person and I was going to vote yes, but looking back on some posts like these ones:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=56227

it seems he does often wade in with a knee-jerk reaction that doesn't add much to the debate. I'm not sure if he's baiting or just giving a gut reaction, but posts like that, right off the top of a thread, can lead to really bad exchanges.

Also, I do not like Gawain's habit of posting extreme right wing articles (which in itself is fine), but not providing links to the sites themselves so we can check the credentials of the authors and the websites. This is just a common courtesy, and has caused me much time in trying to track down where he's getting his articles from.

On the other hand, Gawain's writing has gotten a lot better since he began here. If you look at his first posts, they're not really even in complete sentences. Now, he makes his points much more coherently and effectively.

I consider Gawain a valued member of the community, but I do hope he'll show a little bit more courtesy. So, I'm abstaining (sorry G, I hope you're not too !@$#%ed off at me, but I have to be honest here.)

~:cheers:

Hurin_Rules

10-28-2005, 03:44

Another case in point:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=968628&posted=1#post968628

Gregoshi

10-28-2005, 05:41

Let's not turn this thread into the "Trial of Gawain".

This topic is turning into a good example as to why Senior Membership is not a matter of public debate. You can "nominate" a patron with the most Sterling reputation and there will always be a few who have issue with that patron, which invariable leads to a public debate over that patron's merits. And while good comments are nice to hear, negative comments are usually less welcome (to put it nicely).

Gawain of Orkeny

10-28-2005, 08:10

Thanks Gregoshi. I never asked to be a senior member although I dont deny I wouldnt mind it ~D . As ive said Im perfectly happy with the way its done.

So, I'm abstaining (sorry G, I hope you're not too !@$#%ed off at me, but I have to be honest here.)

I dont get pissed that easily. I find much of your claims baseless however.

Statements such as this

The tone of this post has been reasonably civil up to now, and I hope you won't poison it Gawain.

Over something as innocent as this

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
And if friday comes and theres still no indicments then what? You liberals have been on tip toes ever since this came out. Your like a bunch of kids waiting for santa to arrive with your christmas present. What will you do if he leaves nothing but a clump of coal?

Ive seen far worse from you. In fact theres nothing poisinous at all in my post. It seems your main case against me is you dont like my politics.~:mecry: