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I seriously doubt that this would be possible due to limits on number of units in the game and other hardcoding issues, and maybe its been suggested before, but here goes. It would be great if in the winter, units would wear warmer stuff, it annoys me when I see hordes of semi naked barbarians during blizzards, the same can be said with other factions too.
AlhazenAl-Rashid
10-19-2005, 23:22
As EB intends to portray an accurate seasonal campaigning process, it would be ahistorical to have armies in the field during the winter months all the time anyway.
SwordsMaster
10-19-2005, 23:33
I seriously doubt that this would be possible due to limits on number of units in the game and other hardcoding issues, and maybe its been suggested before, but here goes. It would be great if in the winter, units would wear warmer stuff, it annoys me when I see hordes of semi naked barbarians during blizzards, the same can be said with other factions too.
Well, I´m no barbarian, but I'm living in ireland, its 7ºC and I still wear tshirts and sandals every day. And yes, it impresses the ladies. ~D
I seriously doubt that this would be possible due to limits on number of units in the game and other hardcoding issues, and maybe its been suggested before, but here goes. It would be great if in the winter, units would wear warmer stuff, it annoys me when I see hordes of semi naked barbarians during blizzards, the same can be said with other factions too.
It's impossible to do; one either is wearing something or is not. On the matter of barbarians though, a lot less are half-naked; there simply weren't as many barbarians that stripped bare at the time. Most Celtic troops wear at least a vest or short-sleeve shirt, if not a full, long sleeve one.
Additionally, most factions are very confined during winter. It is not impossible to move an army, but it's difficult to move one during winter, most are very slowed down, except a small number of factions (it might even be just one, I can't recall at the time).
sandals suck. No excuse for publicly flashing male toes, apart from doing so around a swimming pool.
Mouzafphaerre
10-20-2005, 09:29
sandals suck. No excuse for publicly flashing male toes, apart from doing so around a swimming pool.
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I demand quarter! :knight:
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Epistolary Richard
10-20-2005, 16:05
It would be great if in the winter, units would wear warmer stuff, it annoys me when I see hordes of semi naked barbarians during blizzards, the same can be said with other factions too.
Yeah, this isn't possible. Each faction unit is tied through to a single model and a single skin so it's not possible to change the look of a unit from one turn to the next.
SwordsMaster
10-20-2005, 16:24
sandals suck. No excuse for publicly flashing male toes, apart from doing so around a swimming pool.
Ha! wait until I start wearing speedos around... ~D
Ok excellent, thanks for all your imput!
Lvcivs Asiarvm
10-20-2005, 20:28
It would be nice but I think it is made immpossible by hardcoding however battles during the winter months should be rare as EB is trying to make them
Divinus Arma
10-20-2005, 21:15
If I may add briefly, the half naked troops would not march all over hell and back like that. They would wear a cloak or something until they got to the fight. They would then shed that for the duration of the battle.
Someone can correct me if I am a historical retard.
If I may add briefly, the half naked troops would not march all over hell and back like that. They would wear a cloak or something until they got to the fight. They would then shed that for the duration of the battle.
Someone can correct me if I am a historical retard.
No, this is correct. Some, like the Gaesatae, who were real-life naked fanatics, marched to battle completely dressed, disrobed down to a cloak before combat (and appeared before the enemy in a cloak), and then tossed off their cloak before they actually fought. The Belgae, who mostly fought shirtless, wore heavy, warm cloaks to battle, that they'd wrap around themselves like a robe, and discard it before combat as well.
Simetrical
10-21-2005, 03:53
Probably not very expensive cloaks, then, since finding your own cloak among the 10,000 your allies have dropped would doubtless have proven tricky. It would also be a pain if you were really tall or something, you'd have to hunt through the piles of cloaks to find one that fit you.
Cloaks and other linen and textile goods were all very cheap among Celts. They produced such massive amounts of textile, I wouldn't doubt they would have trouble discarding some of them. However, it's not really too difficult to find their cloaks; they would have specific patterns dyed on them, or embossed cloak pins with specific symbols, etc. Like most Celtic equipment, they would be very custom to the wearer, and probably easy to locate if one had the desire to recover it.
Haha, 'oh sorry bob, this ones yours, its got the hole in the bottom right corner'. Interesting stuff.
Simetrical
10-21-2005, 21:00
However, it's not really too difficult to find their cloaks; they would have specific patterns dyed on them, or embossed cloak pins with specific symbols, etc. Like most Celtic equipment, they would be very custom to the wearer, and probably easy to locate if one had the desire to recover it.Still, there would be thousands of the things. Unless you'd be able to have your name and unit stitched onto it, or something like that, I don't see how anyone would know it's yours. Presumably not many of the soldiers would recognize someone else's personal symbols, would they?
Anyway, if everyone wanted to get his own cloak back, you'd probably have to have some kind of organized cloak-collecting procedure for after battles. A rather interesting logistical consideration.
Malrubius
10-21-2005, 22:12
You'd probably try to rejoin the men of your 'squad', your neighbors or companions you were with before the battle, and your cloaks/personal items would all be clumped together. Might make things a bit easier to find. ~:)
it's not liek there would be one heap of 10.000 cloaks....
the battle line would be kilometer(s) long...so you just gotta run up/down teh line to find it. or remember were it lay or something..
Conqueror
10-21-2005, 22:29
It's not like all the men would survive the fight anyway, so if you couldn't find your own cloak I guess you could get a new one from one of the guys who didn't need it anymore... ~;)
Ragabash
10-21-2005, 22:34
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Damn my cloaks are heavy.
Step aside!!!!
You'd probably try to rejoin the men of your 'squad', your neighbors or companions you were with before the battle, and your cloaks/personal items would all be clumped together. Might make things a bit easier to find. ~:)
This is the most logical way; Celts divided their men into groups that broke down by a 'regiment' of sorts, led by a standard bearer, which was presumably broken down into a few smaller groups, probably composed of men from the same families or what not. There would not be a massive pile of personal items. It really is not as difficult a process as it's being made out to be. It's not hard to see the general area you were at the start of the battle, and right around there would probably be your cloak and anything else you discarded before the fight. It's really not that complicated; it wouldn't take more than maybe a half hour at the most for everyone to recover their things, I'm sure.
Aside from that, if one doesn't recognize the pattern or symbols on an object, all the more reason not to touch it. Celts could be pretty harsh on thievery, especially if the individual you stole from was dead; in the latter case you could often be executed.
Steppe Merc
10-22-2005, 02:16
sandals suck. No excuse for publicly flashing male toes, apart from doing so around a swimming pool.
Not at all! Sandals are the best. You don't need damn socks, and they are so comfortable!
the_handsome_viking
10-22-2005, 04:36
winters just a big excuse to get naked anway.
but seriously, its funny how people say that the celts and germanic tribes etc all ran around naked, as if they could survive the european winters naked.
take your clothes off and hang around in the scottish highlands for a few hours, youll see how silly that myth is.
ScionTheWorm
10-22-2005, 04:42
well I wouldn't be that anxious about getting the cold in the front lines. if I think it would help me I would strip, probably pretty scary. :hide:
Shrapnel
10-22-2005, 07:56
I actually agree. I personally hate sandals.
Mouzafphaerre
10-22-2005, 08:32
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As most Celts Wives and Familes watched them form the battle lines Im sure they made handy cloak attendents ~;)
As most Celts Wives and Familes watched them form the battle lines Im sure they made handy cloak attendents ~;)
This was not a usual occurence. This happened in the cases of major Galatian battles, during their migrations (since their families accompanied the migration), and during revolts in Britain (since it was essentially families as a whole revolting).
well I wouldn't be that anxious about getting the cold in the front lines. if I think it would help me I would strip, probably pretty scary. :hide:
I had this conversation last night. Being charged by a bunch of naked dudes would be weird. It'd be worse if they were...in the mood, so to speak. I'd pretty much figure I'd be doomed at that point.
I had this conversation last night. Being charged by a bunch of naked dudes would be weird. It'd be worse if they were...in the mood, so to speak. I'd pretty much figure I'd be doomed at that point.You don't go to war without your weapons ready!
Simetrical
10-23-2005, 04:04
it's not liek there would be one heap of 10.000 cloaks....
the battle line would be kilometer(s) long...so you just gotta run up/down teh line to find it. or remember were it lay or something..Hmm, true. "Okay, my unit started out about a third of the way from the northeast end of the battle line, let's go look over there" . . . yeah, I can see that happening.
This was not a usual occurence. This happened in the cases of major Galatian battles, during their migrations (since their families accompanied the migration), and during revolts in Britain (since it was essentially families as a whole revolting).
Yes but when Celts fought their usual enemy ( i.e each other) this would not be out of the norm :bow:
The only time one's family would accompany then would be during ritual battles, and despite romanticists, most Celtic combat with one another was not a battle based on niceties and ritual-based reasons. Gaul in this period was replete with civil war, where loss in a major battle often meant one side could annihilate or enslave a large chunk of a tribe; no one would concievably risk their family in this case. This is wholely different than minor raids and ritual battles.
Britain had more popularity with ritual combat; most of it steadily fell under the control of a single overking (this was more or less the situation shortly before the second Roman invasion, and had been the situation since shortly before Caesar's earlier invasion). While there was descent, actually full-scale war seems to have been avoided until pro-Roman nobles asked for help from the Romans to return to Britain and seize control. However, tribal grievances existed, and were usually handled with ritual battles. This is different from the much more brutal, full-scale war that was commonplace in Gaul; slaves generally weren't taken after ritual battles, a region wouldn't be starved or slaughtered, etc. The exception is in migrations (since the families have nowhere to go to hide), and rebellions against the Romans (because, in those cases, many of those who were rebelling, such as Boudicca, had never experienced anything but ritual warfare).
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