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Divinus Arma
10-21-2005, 05:09
Miers: yes or no?
Idiot or not?
Strike For The South
10-21-2005, 05:13
I dont get her she was a catholic democrat 20 years ago and now she is an evangilical republican! WTF? O and just a small sidenote she has no judicary record to speak of and she went to the 2nd best law school in Texas. Going to the 2nd best law school in Texas is like being the 3rd tallest guy in Japan.
Kanamori
10-21-2005, 05:15
yes, not.
There aren't many idiots I know that make it into the white house, or past law school. I think she will be more of a Lewis Powell.
Red Harvest
10-21-2005, 05:45
Having gone to too many evangelical churches, and knowing how they viewed science at the time...I'm skeptical of her ability to be objective or understand any but her own religious viewpoint. Having read quotes from her correspondence to Dubya while he was governor: "sycophant" is the only word that seems to fit. Lacking any real record other than that, there is not much to go on.
She is being sold as a "single issue" religious conservative. Her key selling point for the GOP is that she is anti-abortion. As if just any yahoo would do as long as said yahoo voted "right" on this issue. That isn't going over well with other conservatives (who understandably have broader agendas), nor with much of anyone else other than the religious right.
I have heard the private comments of some individual conservative financial types here in Texas, they think she is an intellectual lightweight based on personal experience.
Sidenote:
My least favorite hymn: "Trust and Obey." I've always found it intellectually offensive. I've made up new words, a snippet: "To be brainwashed by cultists, you must trust and obey."
InsaneApache
10-21-2005, 10:23
did a bit of reserch...
GOP nom de plume for the Republican party. Thought to mean Grand Old Party, however some say Gallant Old Party.
Just for the non-Americans here.~;)
Carry on gentlemen...:bow:
Aurelian
10-22-2005, 05:24
Idiot. Miers called Bush "the most brilliant man I ever met". Even hard-core Bush fans would have to agree that that statement puts either her life experiences, her judgement, or her truthfulness in question.
That being said, I think it's amazingly funny to watch the various wings of the Republican party scream at each other over her nomination.
When the Republicans like a nominee, they insist that Democratic senators have no right to ask questions about the candidate's judicial philosophy, the role religion might play in their decision-making, or their stance on issues like Roe v. Wade. However, this time, even though the White House (and Dobson) assures the conservative movement that they can trust her (wink-wink, nudge-nudge)... Bush has to come out and explain that it was her religious beliefs that were a key factor when picking her (wink-wink). A large segment on the right seems to want a guarantee of how she will vote on Roe v. Wade. Thus, all the previous complaining about improper questions goes out the window as long as it is Republicans who want the answers.
And, no offence, but plenty of idiots make it past law school and into the White House. They just have to be useful idiots who learn how to serve power.
yesdachi
10-22-2005, 05:36
I say no and idiot. She is a crony. Next.
Kanamori
10-22-2005, 05:47
utter lack of brilliance ≠ idiocy.
altho she may certainly, and most likely, be a bland addition to scotus, she was chosen by el pres and there have been many worse and less experienced members on teh court.
I thought we tried to get very intelligent and insightful people into the highest court of the land for a life term. It's kind of funny when "brilliant" is no longer a prerequisite for the highest judicial position in the land, but a somewhat useful bonus that plays second fiddle to ideological dogma.
AntiochusIII
10-22-2005, 07:22
I thought we tried to get very intelligent and insightful people into the highest court of the land for a life term. It's kind of funny when "brilliant" is no longer a prerequisite for the highest judicial position in the land, but a somewhat useful bonus that plays second fiddle to ideological dogma.Why, yes. Stupid people with too much power can be manipulated, especially if they're also opinionated. Brilliant people are too intelligent to be controlled by political groups; they're too philosophical...
She's a crony. And I don't trust Bush, so "trust me" doesn't count.
And the Republicans are truly hypocrites in many, many ways. But also are democrats. ~:handball: That's two-party system for ya. American system, as they said. Clear cut, simple (nothing like many parties of similar powers struggling and trying to form coalitions and stuff to hurt the masses' brains), not too much choice for the indecisive. And stable, albeit ineffective and corrupted. It could've been better under the leadership of individuals devoting their intelligence, effort, and loyalty towards the country (by, of course, disagreeing as well, though some, like DD, would disagree with me ~;) ) rather than party politics. I've just performed a speech today from Mark Twain's Tax and Morals. One of the passages said something absolutely true after an entire century and upped my respect for the dead legend further: "Without a blush he will vote for an unclean boss if that boss is his party's Moses, without compunction he will vote against the best man in the whole land if he is on another ticket."
Anyway, that's OT. Either Bush is so deluded and stupid or the Republicans are conspiring a grand political plan as even he should've known tomatoes and bullets would be flying on her the day he declared his "choice."
Tribesman
10-22-2005, 08:17
I dont get her she was a catholic democrat 20 years ago and now she is an evangilical republican!
SftS , Apparently she never was or has been a Catholic , according to the Catholic church anyway .
Kanamori
10-22-2005, 15:59
is there actually anything that says she is mot smart, or is that just eveyone's perception becauce she's not another roberts? i've never actually heard any evidence pointing to her being anything less than compotent.
I dont get her she was a catholic democrat 20 years ago and now she is an evangilical republican! WTF?
Catholic Democrat is impossible. It simply does not exist.
Alexander the Pretty Good
10-23-2005, 01:51
Catholic Democrat is impossible. It simply does not exist.
Arguably there are many nominal Catholics who profess the Democratic faith.
~;p
She's not an idiot, but I'd give her a "no" anyway. She's lukewarm at best. :shrug:
Going to the 2nd best law school in Texas is like being the 3rd tallest guy in Japan.
It means you're on the national basketball team?
Arguably there are many nominal Catholics who profess the Democratic faith.
~;p
She's not an idiot, but I'd give her a "no" anyway. She's lukewarm at best. :shrug:
~:rolleyes:
I love that. "I'm a true Catholic but I support abortion and gay marriage." ALways makes me laugh.
Democratic Catholics should turn to the Episcopal Church: Catholic Lite!
A.Saturnus
10-23-2005, 14:47
I have no idea whom this is about.
Kagemusha
10-23-2005, 16:16
I say Gah!
Divinus Arma
10-23-2005, 18:38
I agree that she is probably not an idiot. Similarly, I doubt she is a genius.
On your marks... get set...
Souter!
I want a solid Republican nominee that will shift the court to the right for the next twenty years. What we get is:
A water weenie, an english sandwich, a lawn chair, linoleum flooring, a used 1989 Nissan Sentra, plumber's crack, a midget imperial stormtrooper, unsalted wafers, Amstel Light, Poland, a game of checkers, a box of five broken crayons (three of which are the same color).
What do all of these things have in common? The reaction is the same: "Blah. Now what the hell am I going to do with this?"
She is the quintessential picture of mediocrity.
Aurelian
10-26-2005, 04:52
I want a solid Republican nominee that will shift the court to the right for the next twenty years.
Be careful what you wish for... having the executive and legislative branches shifted solidly to the right sure haven't done the country any favors. We've got: a badly thought out and prosecuted war, record spending levels, massive debt for future generations, a pension system that is crumbling, skyrocketing health care costs, jobs going over-seas, weakened environmental standards, a huge drop in our international standing, torture, cronyism, incompetence, blatant illegalities, etc. A rightward shifted court would just make it that much harder to correct the damage done by the weenies currently in power.
I love that. "I'm a true Catholic but I support abortion and gay marriage." ALways makes me laugh.
There are plenty of good Catholic Democrats. Kerry and the Kennedies just to name a few prominent ones.
A good American Catholic recognizes that the Catholic church's beliefs can be a guide for their own behavior... but that our national belief in religious freedom means that you can't impose Catholic dogma onto the general population through law. That's why those Catholic Democrats are in favor of letting people have the freedom to make their own religious and moral choices.
Besides, Republican Catholics don't do such a good job following the pontiff's lead: the Pope opposed the Iraq invasion and doesn't approve of capital punishment.
There are plenty of good Catholic Democrats. Kerry and the Kennedies just to name a few prominent ones.
A good American Catholic recognizes that the Catholic church's beliefs can be a guide for their own behavior... but that our national belief in religious freedom means that you can't impose Catholic dogma onto the general population through law. That's why those Catholic Democrats are in favor of letting people have the freedom to make their own religious and moral choices.
Besides, Republican Catholics don't do such a good job following the pontiff's lead: the Pope opposed the Iraq invasion and doesn't approve of capital punishment.
Kerry a good catholic? What a joke. He just used catholicism to try to get the popular catholic joke.
Part of being a Catholic is trying to spread the word of God. This is kind of hard if you allowing such practices of abortion and gay marriage happen at the same time. You aren't really doing your part.
Being a Republican does not mean you always have to be pro war and love to kill things. It just means u have more conservative views on the rest. For example, you could love owning a gun for target practice, but be completely against hunting. It is also means that you could be a Republican and not completely agree with the war. Just because one Republican wants war, does not mean everyone else does.
AntiochusIII
10-27-2005, 01:17
Be careful what you wish for... having the executive and legislative branches shifted solidly to the right sure haven't done the country any favors. We've got: a badly thought out and prosecuted war, record spending levels, massive debt for future generations, a pension system that is crumbling, skyrocketing health care costs, jobs going over-seas, weakened environmental standards, a huge drop in our international standing, torture, cronyism, incompetence, blatant illegalities, etc. A rightward shifted court would just make it that much harder to correct the damage done by the weenies currently in power.Partisan politics runs deep. It is a horrible, relatively young (older than me, but...) trend in American politics. And the country is trying to survive against the efforts of its own leaders in Congress and the White House to dig what they could. Mark Twain predicted this one hundred years earlier in one of his speechs.
Being a Republican does not mean you always have to be pro war and love to kill things.True. But the fact that the label Republican (and Democrat) is accepted in the first place as a valid label for Americans outside the parties' organization political beliefs is disturbingly wrong.
She is the quintessential picture of mediocrity.Mediocrity does not make one a worthy candidate for a share of a ninth of one of the most powerful forces in the United States government. The Supreme Court was established by the founders intended to balance against executive, or even congress, tyranny, not as pawns of political parties as added absolute power. Choosing her in because she's a conservative is the most grievous mistake one could make; I'd say the same even if she's a liberal.
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