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English assassin
10-21-2005, 10:05
200 years ago on this very morning, a battle fleet of the Royal Navy under Admiral Lord Nelson was closing slowly, in light wind, on the combined French and Spanish fleets, off Cape Trafalgar. By the end of the day 18 of the 33 battleships in the enemy fleet had been captured or destroyed, Napoleon’s threat of invasion of Britain was ended, and 100 years of British naval dominance began. Nelson himself was killed in the battle.

Nelson’s tactics in the battle were unusual. Normally, two fleets sailed in roughly parallel line, slowly converging until they were within range, and then exchanged broadsides. The trouble with this was the leeward fleet, usually the defender, could always evade the battle if it went against them, by sailing downwind. Nelson wanted a battle of annihilation, rather than a mere victory. So he divided the fleet into two columns, and sailed straight at the French and Spanish fleets, breaking their line about 1/3 and 2/3 along. His aim was to get in and behind the enemy ships, so that there could be no escape. Hence his famous order to his captains, that “no captain could do very wrong, if he laid his ship alongside the enemy”. Also, the time taken for the leading 1/3 of the enemy fleet to put about would temporarily remove the enemy's advantage in numbers

This made for an uncomfortable approach, as the lead ships of the British columns, including Nelson’s flagship HMS Victory, were exposed to the fire of the combined fleet for some time without being able to return fire themselves. After the famous signal “England expects that every man will do his duty” Nelson’s last signal to the fleet was “engage the enemy more closely”, as it had been at the battles of the Nile and at Copenhagen. About an hour after engaging the enemy Nelson was shot down on his own quarterdeck, dying about three hours afterwards as the battle ended. His last words are supposed to have been “Thank God, I have done my duty.”

Casualties were high. The British lost 449 men killed and 1241 wounded, the French and Spanish fleets lost 4408 men killed and 2545 wounded.

In the immediate aftermath of the battle an Atlantic storm with hurricane force winds blew for some days, and possibly the most remarkable feat of the Navy in the whole campaign was not to lose a single British ship in the storm, bearing in mind they were severely battle damaged, many with only jury masts, and carrying many casualties.

HMS Victory was the most famous ship of the many famous ships built in my Granddad’s old workplace, the Royal Naval Dockyard at Chatham. She is now in dry dock in Portsmouth, still in commission, (the oldest ship in commission in the world) and is the flagship of the Second Sea Lord. If you are ever in England, you can take a train to Portsmouth, about an hour from London, and stand on the spot where Nelson met his end, as well as going all over her gundecks and the rest of the ship.

So, here’s to Lord Nelson, the quintessential English Admiral and hero dying at the moment of his triumph, to Trafalgar, the most iconic British victory, to the men who sailed with him, and to the men of the combined fleet, who, after all, were sailors too. ~:cheers:

InsaneApache
10-21-2005, 10:13
hip hip hooray!!!!!

They don't make 'em like that anymore.....:bow:

Sigurd
10-21-2005, 10:21
As a former navy man, I'll drink to that. ~:cheers:

Adrian II
10-21-2005, 11:03
200 years ago on this very morning, a battle fleet of the Royal Navy under Admiral Lord Nelson was closing slowly, in light wind, on the combined French and Spanish fleets, off Cape Trafalgar. By the end of the day 18 of the 33 battleships in the enemy fleet had been captured or destroyed, Napoleon’s threat of invasion of Britain was ended, and 100 years of British naval dominance began. Nelson himself was killed in the battle.

Nelson’s tactics in the battle were unusual. Normally, two fleets sailed in roughly parallel line, slowly converging until they were within range, and then exchanged broadsides. The trouble with this was the leeward fleet, usually the defender, could always evade the battle if it went against them, by sailing downwind. Nelson wanted a battle of annihilation, rather than a mere victory. So he divided the fleet into two columns, and sailed straight at the French and Spanish fleets, breaking their line about 1/3 and 2/3 along. His aim was to get in and behind the enemy ships, so that there could be no escape. Hence his famous order to his captains, that “no captain could do very wrong, if he laid his ship alongside the enemy”. Also, the time taken for the leading 1/3 of the enemy fleet to put about would temporarily remove the enemy's advantage in numbers

This made for an uncomfortable approach, as the lead ships of the British columns, including Nelson’s flagship HMS Victory, were exposed to the fire of the combined fleet for some time without being able to return fire themselves. After the famous signal “England expects that every man will do his duty” Nelson’s last signal to the fleet was “engage the enemy more closely”, as it had been at the battles of the Nile and at Copenhagen. About an hour after engaging the enemy Nelson was shot down on his own quarterdeck, dying about three hours afterwards as the battle ended. His last words are supposed to have been “Thank God, I have done my duty.”

Casualties were high. The British lost 449 men killed and 1241 wounded, the French and Spanish fleets lost 4408 men killed and 2545 wounded.

In the immediate aftermath of the battle an Atlantic storm with hurricane force winds blew for some days, and possibly the most remarkable feat of the Navy in the whole campaign was not to lose a single British ship in the storm, bearing in mind they were severely battle damaged, many with only jury masts, and carrying many casualties.

HMS Victory was the most famous ship of the many famous ships built in my Granddad’s old workplace, the Royal Naval Dockyard at Chatham. She is now in dry dock in Portsmouth, still in commission, (the oldest ship in commission in the world) and is the flagship of the Second Sea Lord. If you are ever in England, you can take a train to Portsmouth, about an hour from London, and stand on the spot where Nelson met his end, as well as going all over her gundecks and the rest of the ship.

So, here’s to Lord Nelson, the quintessential English Admiral and hero dying at the moment of his triumph, to Trafalgar, the most iconic British victory, to the men who sailed with him, and to the men of the combined fleet, who, after all, were sailors too. ~:cheers:Nice. What does that brochure say about hotel arrangements?

Crazed Rabbit
10-21-2005, 16:42
Huzzah!
Cheers for brave men!~:cheers:

Now when's the red and blue fleet reenactment taking place?

Crazed Rabbit

TinCow
10-21-2005, 16:52
As a proud citizen of the UK, I will raise a glass tonight in toast. A most civil people with a most wonderful history.

Duke Malcolm
10-21-2005, 18:35
As one of Her Majesty's loyal subjects, I am grateful that I am not a citizen of the fifth republic. Praise be to Nelson

Templar Knight
10-21-2005, 18:43
I'll drink to their memory tonight ~:cheers:

Louis VI the Fat
10-21-2005, 19:39
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/horsesass/axe1.jpg

Closed!

Adrian II
10-21-2005, 19:50
Closed!Never mind, Louis. The 2nd of December is getting close. http://matousmileys.free.fr/mouarf.gif

GonZ
10-22-2005, 10:35
Yes in deed thank god for Nelson and the Royal Navy.
Without whom we would all be speaking french.

I raised my glass to him rather too often last night and feel like I've been pickled in brandy myself now... hic

ah_dut
10-22-2005, 12:18
As one of Her Majesty's loyal subjects, I am grateful that I am not a citizen of the fifth republic. Praise be to Nelson
Indeed, seconded with non alchoholic beer~;) ~:eek: ~D

Beirut
10-22-2005, 12:54
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/horsesass/axe1.jpg

Closed!


:inquisitive: Hey! Gimme my axe back right now!

Happy Trafalgar Day.

Lazul
10-22-2005, 17:38
Yes in deed thank god for Nelson and the Royal Navy.
Without whom we would all be speaking french.

mhe... french isnt that bad, wish I could speak it.

And even if your islands would have belonged to Franche now, you wouldnt really care would you? since it would have been so long ago that You would consider yourself French.
That is, if the French were as good as the Swedes in assimilation-tactics hehe. :bow:

Ldvs
10-22-2005, 20:12
That is, if the French were as good as the Swedes in assimilation-tactics hehe.
In any event, I don't think a long lasting occupation of the UK could have been achieved. The Spanish proved it.
As for the assimilation part, we're very likely not as good as the Swedish at it ~;) The most flagrant example is Corsica. They moan (in the best case, otherwise they plant bombs or kill people...) when they don't get enough favours and subsidies from their dear country (France), but when it comes to political affairs, they're rather independentists, to say the least.
I really wouldn't mind if they were granted full independence. They cost us dearly and give back nothing.

English assassin
10-22-2005, 22:05
~;) Well, to my delight I discovered when I went to the pub last night that my favourite brewery, Shepherd Neame, had brewed a very limited run of a celebration ale, Admiral. So I sank a few myself....

AND, by craftily buying the bar staff a round, I managed to walk out with the "Admiral" pump badge.

I think the French would have found the cuisine and the climate two insuperable barriers to assimilation. In fact I'm confident in a few years they would all have gone home in disgust. But that's not the point.