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The Stranger
10-23-2005, 16:19
:bow: i'd like to hear your oppinions
there are 2 guys. one is a racist the other is a semi racist (e.g very and little)
they are continuasly making racist jokes. some very annoying some one-ear-in-other-ear-out jokes. well i'm a person that has a high limit. i can take alot of people and till now ive just ignored them. but theyre getting worse, and i'm afraid that if someone doesnt stop m now it might be too late.
option 1: i just hit them in their face when they make a other nasty joke
option 2: i keep ignoring them and do nothing
option 3: ill let the class handle it
option 4: ill tell the teachers
problem 1: theyre good friends a good friend of mine, so i dont want to hit them
problem 2: i'm running out of patience and my limit is almost reached
problem 3: i dont like snitching nor i like the teachers, and i know it wouldnt help much and i only have to talk embarrising convos with teachers etc
:bow:
Duke Malcolm
10-23-2005, 16:27
Ignore them. If jokes aren't about your race then let them have their opinions -- as long as they don't go about attacking folk.
scooter_the_shooter
10-23-2005, 16:35
I got a chinese friend that calls me a hill billy/redneck all the time. Makes fun of black people. Says all white people are gay......And when I finally say "shut up you !@#$ing chink(I don't know if i spelled it right) I got a detention for "racial remarks" ~:joker:
Kralizec
10-23-2005, 17:15
I am not shy of making or laughing about jokes that are...controversial. Hell, my favourite comedian is Hans Teeuwen :D Though I don't make racist jokes often, that would include those too, as well as woman-unfriendly jokes or jokes that are simply insensitive. It's not that I don't take racism seriously, it's that I don't take jokes seriously.
However I understand that other people don't feel that way, and I only make those kind of jokes when with people that regognise jokes for what they're worth and be able to laugh about it.
So I would either ignore them if were you and if that doesn't work, tell them that you don't like that sort of humor and ask them to tone it down when they're talking to you.
They probably don't mean any harm since they are still your friends. Have some sense of humour.
Geoffrey S
10-23-2005, 17:38
Are the mentioned racist comments/jokes aimed at you personally, or a good friend of yours, or at particular ethnic groups in general?
At the least, don't bottle up such feelings of anger. Usually that only leads to trouble later on, when it can all come up in one big outburst. Share your problems with someone, be it a family member, friends, a teacher you respect, or if you feel up to it the 2 guys themselves. Often you'll find it helps to talk to someone about it; even if it doesn't provide an instant solution it helps to get things off your chest, to know that at least someone knows there's a problem. If no-one knows no-one can help.
Togakure
10-23-2005, 18:50
When I was in high school, and also in Uni, my main buddies would sometimes show prejudice in comments when we were hanging out privately and relating stories to each other. While I wouldn't describe any of us as "racist,"sometimes we adopt prejudiced attitudes resulting from day-to-day events that annoy us, which involve particular ethnic groups. These attitudes sometimes surface in the way we speak about them.
When we were just hanging out privately, it never bothered me; I, too, spoke with prejudice at times when someone or a group of people from a particular ethnic group got seriously on my nerves. However, I refrained from doing so in public venues where others outside of our group could overhear. My friends weren't always as considerate. If I had taken a calm, rational approach to sharing my discomfort with them--"Hey guys, I get uncomfortable when you speak with prejudice in public, where others might overhear,"--they would have probably snickered and said something to the effect of "tough titty says the kitty, deal with it," and gone back to their beers and derisive banter. So instead, I hit them where it counted from their point of view--their public image. "My ... I'm sure the ladies at that table are thoroughly impressed with your sensitivity and tolerance guys," or something to that effect. Then, more often than not, they would become self-conscious of their behavior and chill out.
When I want to affect the behavior of someone else, I do my best to avoid thinking of them in terms of how I think and act, and consider how they think and act, and what approach would most likely yield the desired results.
For those interested in the psychology of this kind of stuff, consider the topic of Neurolinguistic Programming. Practitioners of this never cease to amaze me (or, in the case of those without scruples, scare me), with their extraordinary ability to perceive and interpret accurately, communicate, relate, and affect change in others.
Kaiser of Arabia
10-23-2005, 18:53
Break their necks.
Red Harvest
10-23-2005, 19:07
How about a different option?
Option 5: Tell them the racist jokes are getting really stale/boring you to death. If that has no impact, you might even mention that some of the jokes are really cheesing you off or making *them* look stupid.
But probably best to do it in measured steps rather than all at once release of pent up irritation. You might find that one of them is also bored with it/just participating to "fit in."
These are your friends after all. If you can't tell them what is on your mind, then they really aren't the sort of friends you want to keep. At some point you might want to start distancing yourself from folks like this if they persist. Do you really want others lumping you in the same group with them if they continue?
Option 6: Just talk to the less racist one about it to see where he stands. If you let him know it is bugging you, he might stop, and the two of you might be able to cork the more vocal one by walking away when he sounds off. He'll get the picture eventually.
Tribesman
10-23-2005, 19:28
If you cannot introduce them to a reasonable point of view , then introduce their head to the floor .
I got a chinese friend that calls me a hill billy/redneck all the time. Makes fun of black people. Says all white people are gay......And when I finally say "shut up you !@#$ing chink(I don't know if i spelled it right) I got a detention for "racial remarks"
Second guy to swing gets the foul.
Just give them a verbal smack down. Or just explain to them the KKK, Hammerskins, and Aryan Nation and tell them they'd fit in nicely. People generally don't like that, and if they do they have bigger things to deal with.
yesdachi
10-23-2005, 19:48
ask the Mods to give them a warning~D
Kaiser of Arabia
10-23-2005, 20:05
I got a chinese friend that calls me a hill billy/redneck all the time. Makes fun of black people. Says all white people are gay......And when I finally say "shut up you !@#$ing chink(I don't know if i spelled it right) I got a detention for "racial remarks" ~:joker:
You're white, he's a minority. He can't be rascist, by Government standards. His race was opressed 100 years ago by the evil white man!
The Stranger
10-23-2005, 20:17
How about a different option?
Option 5: Tell them the racist jokes are getting really stale/boring you to death. If that has no impact, you might even mention that some of the jokes are really cheesing you off or making *them* look stupid.
But probably best to do it in measured steps rather than all at once release of pent up irritation. You might find that one of them is also bored with it/just participating to "fit in."
These are your friends after all. If you can't tell them what is on your mind, then they really aren't the sort of friends you want to keep. At some point you might want to start distancing yourself from folks like this if they persist. Do you really want others lumping you in the same group with them if they continue?
Option 6: Just talk to the less racist one about it to see where he stands. If you let him know it is bugging you, he might stop, and the two of you might be able to cork the more vocal one by walking away when he sounds off. He'll get the picture eventually.
their not my friends and let me give a example of their jokes, i let them know that they were bugging me a 100 times.
like: they were annoying me with some small but stupid remaks, so i painted his face black with a marker, the guy totally flipped went to wash his face clean and when he came he said: thanx, now i know how it is to be a slave like you. i ignored him and he he said it again: i know how it feels to be shit...and i would have choked him, if my friend didnt told me to calm down.
the teacher heard it all i think, but did nothing...though i'm not sure if he did heard it. he's a good guy, helping me with my writingcarrier
Kaiser of Arabia
10-23-2005, 20:18
their not my friends and let me give a example of their jokes, i let them know that they were bugging me a 100 times.
like: they were annoying me with some small but stupid remaks, so i painted his face black with a marker, the guy totally flipped went to wash his face clean and when he came he said: thanx, now i know how it is to be a slave like you. i ignored him and he he said it again: i know how it feels to be shit...and i would have choked him, if my friend didnt told me to calm down.
the teacher heard it all i think, but did nothing...though i'm not sure if he did heard it. he's a good guy, helping me with my writingcarrier
I take it you're black? If so, beat his arse. That's what I would do.
The Stranger
10-23-2005, 20:21
They probably don't mean any harm since they are still your friends. Have some sense of humour.
People thT SAY SUCH KIND OF THINGS TO ME ARE NOT MY FRIENDS, THEYRE NOT MY FRIENDS, I NEVER SAID THEY WERE. I HAVE A FRIEND WHOS THEIR FRIEND AND BECUZ OF HIM I DONT PUCH M. SOME OF MY FRIENDS ALSO MAKE SOME LIGHT "RACIST" JOKES AND I DONT MIND IT...BUT WHEN SOMEONE STARTS CALLING ME A SLAVE HE MUST BE VERY CAREFUL...I CAN DO CRAZY THINGS WHEN IM MAD :bow:
The Stranger
10-23-2005, 20:23
I take it you're black? If so, beat his arse. That's what I would do.
I'Mhalf dutch half Guinese (in west africa)
If it is any consolation, I know how you feel. Racism is an ugly thing.
Perhaps you should tell your friend that his friends are fools. Then hope he can see it too.
The Stranger
10-23-2005, 20:41
he has asked them to stop multiple times, and they did ease up but started again later
Adrian II
10-23-2005, 20:46
Break their necks.Naked, in front of their girlfriends. :bow:
scooter_the_shooter
10-23-2005, 20:47
what race are these guys. White, black, oriental, arab? Theres something to make fun of on all 4. If ya want I will tell a few jokes for each. (don't get offended if I do)
Strike For The South
10-23-2005, 20:50
confront them
he has asked them to stop multiple times, and they did ease up but started again later
Did you tell your friend how these people make you feel? Has he witnessed some of the behavior you mentioned? What you described them as saying, the ‘slave’ remark, is truly disgusting.
You must truly value his friendship, to keep up with such indignity on his friends’ behalf. But if it is really hurtful, then tell you friend that it is taking a toll on you. If he is indifferent to your suffering, then perhaps he is not a good friend.
And heed not the advice of those who encourage you to resort to violence. Never resort to violence. Do not let them bring you to that point, better to just walk away.
“He is strong who withhold himself from anger”. Take pride in the fact that you’re a better person than them.
Reverend Joe
10-23-2005, 21:45
Just belt the more racist one in the throat, one time. They may be good friends of one of your friends, but that doesn't make them your friends. However, beating them up would paint you as being overly aggressive when yuo are just angry. One good slug to the larynx, on the other hand, will scare the hell out of them and get them to shut up.
If it's that much of a big deal, stop being around them.
Craterus
10-23-2005, 21:51
If it's that much of a big deal, stop being around them
That's what I was going to say.
Try and keep away from those guys as much as possible. If they're in your class, it's probably difficult to avoid them?
The Blind King of Bohemia
10-23-2005, 21:51
Well i wouldn't get that wound up about it. If you don't like it just tell 'em to shut up, if they persist knock seven shades out of 'em or simply ignore it. My favourite comedian is Roy "chubby" brown. You won't know who that is but most british patrons might have heard of him. Thats probably why i wouldn't get that wound up about it.
Sometimes jokes can be very hurtful dude, just rip the piss back out of them
Adrian II
10-23-2005, 21:52
"He is strong who withhold himself from anger”. Take pride in the fact that you’re a better person than them.Wise words. I would break their necks just to make sure though. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-047.gif
Papewaio
10-23-2005, 21:58
their not my friends and let me give a example of their jokes, i let them know that they were bugging me a 100 times.
like: they were annoying me with some small but stupid remaks, so i painted his face black with a marker, the guy totally flipped went to wash his face clean and when he came he said: thanx, now i know how it is to be a slave like you. i ignored him and he he said it again: i know how it feels to be shit...and i would have choked him, if my friend didnt told me to calm down.
the teacher heard it all i think, but did nothing...though i'm not sure if he did heard it. he's a good guy, helping me with my writingcarrier
Ah Grasshopper you must learn the art of the verbal comeback and slap down.
If he says:
now i know how it is to be a slave like you
You reply:
Least I'm not a slave to ignorance {high brow}
Hey thats exactly what your girlfriend said last night...[low]
...and your mum [lowest]
If he says:
i know how it feels to be shit
You reply:
(Well thats obvious) you are pretty full of it.
No kidding and your breath shows it.
Weebeast
10-23-2005, 22:01
You know they're joking, right? You have the answer there. It's not like you've experienced some real discrimination anyway.
Red Harvest
10-23-2005, 23:21
In my younger days it was acceptable to pummel such idiots into the dirt. Being as things are now, you probably have to report the comments and let the system handle it. Either that or do something I have some experience with...baiting the moron to throw the first punch.
Depends on your fighting skills, but if you know how to detect the movement step back/slide sideways then tag the clown, it is very fulfilling. They get the consequences of attacking you, while you get the joy of beating the crap out of them in self defense. Yes, I've done this a few times...ahhh...those younger days. ~:cool:
Kaiser of Arabia
10-24-2005, 00:49
Curb stomp them? They're white right? So go with
"Put your teeth on the ******* curb, Cracker!"
Divinus Arma
10-24-2005, 01:08
I say join them and become racist swine yourself.
Hee hee. Just kidding.
Tell them that it bugs you and that they are cowards and dare them to say it to somebody's face like a man. Then come up with hilarious black supremacist jokes, like:
Q: What do you call a little white boy in jail?
A: Currency.
Or how about this one....
Q: What do you call a lost white atheist family in Compton?
A: Born-again Christians.
Or how about this 'un:
Q: What's white on the bottom, red in the back, and black on top?
A: A little white boy in jail.
Okay, One more:
Q: A white man, a priest, and P-diddy are all in a bar. The bartender looks at the white man and says "we don't serve your kind here". The white man leaves while the priest and P-diddy laugh at him. Then the bartender looks at the priest and says "we don't serve your kind here". The priest leaves and P-diddy laughs at him. What is the moral of this story?
A: Highlight
George Bush doesn't like black people.
Reverend Joe
10-24-2005, 01:14
Q: What's white on the bottom, red in the back, and black on top?
A: A little white boy in jail.
~:joker: That's a bad one. Reminds me of a Michael Jackson joke that I can't tell here, mainly because it makes use of a pun that won't work when typed.
bmolsson
10-24-2005, 03:26
I got a chinese friend that calls me a hill billy/redneck all the time. Makes fun of black people. Says all white people are gay......And when I finally say "shut up you !@#$ing chink(I don't know if i spelled it right) I got a detention for "racial remarks" ~:joker:
Chinese can never be racist, since after all they are Chinese...... ~D
Divinus Arma
10-24-2005, 04:15
Only white people can be racist. Because we are white, we are automatically evil. White people are the devil.
Papewaio
10-24-2005, 04:27
Racism seems to be a bigger issue in some countries then others. But like a lot of other attributes it ain't race based.
Saw an interesting documentary on the weekend about African-American units in WWII stationed in Australia...
Mouzafphaerre
10-24-2005, 06:25
In my younger days it was acceptable to pummel such idiots into the dirt. Being as things are now, you probably have to report the comments and let the system handle it. Either that or do something I have some experience with...baiting the moron to throw the first punch.
Depends on your fighting skills, but if you know how to detect the movement step back/slide sideways then tag the clown, it is very fulfilling. They get the consequences of attacking you, while you get the joy of beating the crap out of them in self defense. Yes, I've done this a few times...ahhh...those younger days. ~:cool:
.
:2thumbsup:
DA,
You are evil! No no, you are the daredevil himself! ~:joker: I saved your stuff before somebody has them deleted.
.
PanzerJaeger
10-24-2005, 06:47
Theres a number of different sayings that apply to this situation:
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Somebody call the Wambulance!
And my personal favorite..
Cry me a river, build yourself a bridge, and get the hell over it..
Hehe.. just playing.. but seriously, dont be so uptight. Have a sense of humor. They're only joking. ~:)
Papewaio
10-24-2005, 07:21
There is nothing funny about racist jokes or thinking that someone is a crybaby for standing up for themselves to racists or the weaklings who support racism.
I can take a sheep joke and an Aussie or NZ joke as well as the next guy. I however try and stay off race specific jokes unless I am counter slapping someone and/or I have that line of ancestory.
yesdachi
10-24-2005, 14:02
As others have said, I would give them a verbal slap down that would totally attack their ego, the louder the better, the more people that hear them getting ripped on the better. And if it happened to bait them into swinging at you, so be it. Either kick their tails or take a beating, despite the consequences you have shown that you don’t take crap.:knight:
In the alternative your verbal slap down might just make them laugh and in that case you could take that as an opportunity to offer to buy them a pop/soda and become friends.~:)
People thT SAY SUCH KIND OF THINGS TO ME ARE NOT MY FRIENDS, THEYRE NOT MY FRIENDS, I NEVER SAID THEY WERE. I HAVE A FRIEND WHOS THEIR FRIEND AND BECUZ OF HIM I DONT PUCH M. SOME OF MY FRIENDS ALSO MAKE SOME LIGHT "RACIST" JOKES AND I DONT MIND IT...BUT WHEN SOMEONE STARTS CALLING ME A SLAVE HE MUST BE VERY CAREFUL...I CAN DO CRAZY THINGS WHEN IM MAD :bow:
My bad, sorry. Well enough good suggestions so far, there is nothing that some good old violence can't solve. You definately shouldn't let someone call you a slave, make them bleed :knight:
The Stranger
10-24-2005, 16:28
If it's that much of a big deal, stop being around them.
their in my class
The Stranger
10-24-2005, 16:33
Ah Grasshopper you must learn the art of the verbal comeback and slap down.
If he says:
You reply:
Least I'm not a slave to ignorance {high brow}
Hey thats exactly what your girlfriend said last night...[low]
...and your mum [lowest]
If he says:
You reply:
(Well thats obvious) you are pretty full of it.
No kidding and your breath shows it.
i did sumthing like it, but i gennerally get to angry (within) to control any of my very vocabulary...i remember i said sumthing i cant remember what but it left them speechless.
thanx for your gentle and sumthimes less gentle (break their friggin teeth~:eek: ) replies :bow:
Goofball
10-24-2005, 17:05
Only white people can be racist. Because we are white, we are automatically evil. White people are the devil.
Speaking of crybabyism...
~:rolleyes:
You and Kaiser really need to get of the "I'm such a poor, downtrodden white guy" whining train.
We white guys have it pretty much better than everybody else in the world, and have for a long time.
Quit your belly-aching.
As to the main topic/question:
Racist jokes are never funny, IMO.
Whenever somebody tells a racist joke/makes a racist comment in my presence, I tell them that I think that kind of talk is dusgusting and ignorant. It has caused some awkward situations, and even cost me a "friend." I put the word "friend" in quotes because if someone has those kind of beliefs, they really are no friend of mine to start with.
Anyway Stranger, you just need to decide if these guys are worth your time. I suspect they are not. But if you decide they are, then tell them how you feel about what they are saying. If they persist, then they have just proved that they are not worth your time after all, so it's an easy decision to just cut them loose.
yesdachi
10-24-2005, 17:36
[QUOTE=Goofball]Racist jokes are never funny, IMO.
There is nothing funny about racist jokes...
What do you guys think of popular comedians that do a lot of jokes and skits that are race driven? ~:)
US Examples like Chris Rock, George Carlin, George Lopez, and many others.
Goofball
10-24-2005, 17:50
[quote]
What do you guys think of popular comedians that do a lot of jokes and skits that are race driven? ~:)
US Examples like Chris Rock, George Carlin, George Lopez, and many others.
Chris Rock I can take or leave (meaning I like some of his stuff, but dislike some of it also). I don't know who George Lopez is. George Carlin? His humor doesn't seem to be race-based, if I recall. He's more of an angry, "stick-it-to-the-Man" type of guy.
yesdachi
10-24-2005, 18:08
Chris Rock I can take or leave (meaning I like some of his stuff, but dislike some of it also). I don't know who George Lopez is. George Carlin? His humor doesn't seem to be race-based, if I recall. He's more of an angry, "stick-it-to-the-Man" type of guy.
George Lopez is a Latino comedian who has a TV show but use to do standup, his routines usually included stereotypical Latino racist jokes like Chris Rocks standup usually includes stereotypical black racist jokes. George Carlin’s "stick-it-to-the-Man" routines have occasionally hit a racist theme. But that is all beside the point I was getting at. :bow:
Do you think it is ok for comedians to tell racist jokes?
Ser Clegane
10-24-2005, 18:18
I think judging racist jokes depends pretty much on the context.
There is quite a difference between
a) overemphasizing racist cliches to ridicule these cliches and present a mirror to the audience
or
b) just making cheap shots to slander people
Sometimes the difference is obvious in a given context or through the overall tone of the joke - sometimes the line between the two is very fine and even the person who makes the joke might have difficulties realizing on which side of the line he/she is moving.
The Stranger
10-24-2005, 18:18
[QUOTE]
What do you guys think of popular comedians that do a lot of jokes and skits that are race driven? ~:)
US Examples like Chris Rock, George Carlin, George Lopez, and many others.
the fact that they involve races doesnt make them racist...like nazi and kkk racistic but i dont mind minor "racistic jokes" as long as they arent intended to hurt someone i like all jokes
Goofball
10-24-2005, 18:21
Do you think it is ok for comedians to tell racist jokes?
Yes, it's okay for them to tell them; that's their right. I just don't think they are particularly funny.
solypsist
10-24-2005, 19:13
http://www.perkypat.com/Misc/4thJuly/KillWhitey2.jpg
okay so what was this thread about?
Hehe.. just playing.. but seriously, dont be so uptight. Have a sense of humor. They're only joking. ~:)
You're right Panzer. You're a racist apologist!
See - just a joke!
The Stranger
10-25-2005, 19:31
Theres a number of different sayings that apply to this situation:
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Somebody call the Wambulance!
And my personal favorite..
Cry me a river, build yourself a bridge, and get the hell over it..
Hehe.. just playing.. but seriously, dont be so uptight. Have a sense of humor. They're only joking. ~:)
if calling people slaves is your sense of Humor, youve got a very serious problem
and i Soly i never said that racism is and was a big problem in my life, ive just gut a minor/medium problem now. i nver accused them of really being racist cuz i think they arent, theyre just very prejudiced and dont know how to handle the problems in our country and they just start bullying and pointing fingers at a certain group :hide:
What you should NOT do, in my opinion - and personal experience (not myself, but a guy I know) - is beating them up. Such hatred will reflect in even greater hatred from their side, trust me.
We had a little 'child' at our school that was beeing insulted by a human with turkish heritage, he replied something like 'shit turkish people!', one second later there were 20 relatives of the turkish on their way to hunt down the boy and beat him.
The boy was even more upset then and insulted them even more (him not having any 'nazi contacts' like many people here have) and I am sure that he would have called those 'contacts' if he had any, he was beat up 'till some teachers came, by the way.
Don't know the ending of the story, but must have been pretty bad.
if calling people slaves is your sense of Humor, youve got a very serious problem
He does have a serious problem - it stares at him in the mirror each morning.
You shouldn't hace to deal with racist abuse mate. Let them know that you won't take it - don't let the b*stards walk over you.
Goofball
10-25-2005, 20:58
i nver accused them of really being racist cuz i think they arent,
~:confused:
theyre just very prejudiced and dont know how to handle the problems in our country and they just start bullying and pointing fingers at a certain group
What you just described is racism.
Don't let them off so easily.
Papewaio
10-26-2005, 02:43
We had a little 'child' at our school that was beeing insulted by a human with turkish heritage, he replied something like 'shit turkish people!', one second later there were 20 relatives of the turkish on their way to hunt down the boy and beat him.
What should have happened to the kid in your opinion then?
Congragulations for his racist ideas? A thankyou note? A lollypop? Detention from the teachers? Forced to give a public apology? A jail sentence? Put in stocks and have rotten vegetables thrown at him? etc
:bow: i'd like to hear your oppinions
there are 2 guys. one is a racist the other is a semi racist (e.g very and little)
they are continuasly making racist jokes. some very annoying some one-ear-in-other-ear-out jokes. well i'm a person that has a high limit. i can take alot of people and till now ive just ignored them. but theyre getting worse, and i'm afraid that if someone doesnt stop m now it might be too late.
option 1: i just hit them in their face when they make a other nasty joke
option 2: i keep ignoring them and do nothing
option 3: ill let the class handle it
option 4: ill tell the teachers
problem 1: theyre good friends a good friend of mine, so i dont want to hit them
problem 2: i'm running out of patience and my limit is almost reached
problem 3: i dont like snitching nor i like the teachers, and i know it wouldnt help much and i only have to talk embarrising convos with teachers etc
:bow: Umeu, just tell them straight out, you don't like the racist jokes because it isn't funny. If they continue, repeat the message: it isn't funny. Don't say anything else nor try to insult back.
Kaiser of Arabia
10-26-2005, 03:17
There is nothing funny about racist jokes or thinking that someone is a crybaby for standing up for themselves to racists or the weaklings who support racism.
I can take a sheep joke and an Aussie or NZ joke as well as the next guy. I however try and stay off race specific jokes unless I am counter slapping someone and/or I have that line of ancestory.
ok, some jokes ARE funny as hell, but only if they're true. I laugh at German jokes all the time.
PanzerJaeger
10-26-2005, 04:43
if calling people slaves is your sense of Humor, youve got a very serious problem
If you let people affect you like this, you have a bigger problem. Get over it man.. jeez. ~:rolleyes:
If you devote this kind of time to dwelling on what other people say to you, especially jokes, you have some serious self confidence issues.
The only value their words have is the value you place on them.
Words spoken by a man to whom racial humiliation is unfamiliar.
How dare you?
Words spoken by a man to whom racial humiliation is unfamiliar.
How dare you?
Look at the bright side mia muca, apparently he doesn't care about all that.
What should have happened to the kid in your opinion then?
Congragulations for his racist ideas? A thankyou note? A lollypop? Detention from the teachers? Forced to give a public apology? A jail sentence? Put in stocks and have rotten vegetables thrown at him? etc
No, the general idea of the post was to tell that hatred causes counter hatred. These kids Stranger was talking about might have a chance to jump off the "beeing a ******* racist" train sometime. If he beats them up, they might not. And they might even feel confirmed in their stupid views. Also I guess that they would find other people getting Stranger into more problems than some crappy jokes...
That all does not change the fact that they're dumb, but you should see that it makes sense. Everything begins with one side acting, the other side reacting. Racism is no exception.
Togakure
10-26-2005, 15:12
True that the great majority "reacts," but not all. Some have learned to think and act, even in such situations; hate does not always beget hate. The great "prophets" that so many of us revere with religious fervor certainly did not advocate responding to hate with hate.
The Stranger
10-26-2005, 16:18
If you let people affect you like this, you have a bigger problem. Get over it man.. jeez. ~:rolleyes:
If you devote this kind of time to dwelling on what other people say to you, especially jokes, you have some serious self confidence issues.
The only value their words have is the value you place on them.
well i actually dont value your words at all
Geoffrey S
10-26-2005, 16:48
Though his tone might be a bit off, PanzerJager's right when he states that the only value such words have is the value you place on them. I know it's hard to ignore racist comments, but if you don't feel you're up to the people making those comments it really is best to talk about it with others and try your best to ignore the racists; rash actions taken in a moment of anger can really cause a lot of problems you might not have foreseen and may be harder to cope with, as I have found to my detriment. Do take care, think before you act.
PanzerJaeger
10-26-2005, 21:48
well i actually dont value your words at all
Aww, somebody needs a nap.
Look man, you came into this thread acting like a crybaby quite frankly. "Oh no, the mean boys are calling me names.. sympathize with me! Help me!"
Well Im not going to shed crocodile tears over this because its nothing but drama. You dont think we all get ragged on at one point or the other? And to make this even less significant.. they're just joking!
What I have done, however, is give you some damned good advice. A hell of a lot better than "beat them up" or even confronting them. Beating them up is just idiotic(and by the way you act Id be surprised if you even could), and confronting them only shows them how much it bothers you and they will always have something to hold over you.
If you roll with it.. laugh at the funny ones.. and maybe even throw out some of your own jokes (doesnt have to be racial, just pick something about them and tease them about it).. the issue will eventually correct itself.
Im sorry people are saying things you dont like to hear, but that is life. Its not them making you upset, its yourself. If you are proud of who you are, there is nothing they can say that should cause you to run to the internet for support. ~:mecry:
You're a deeply ignorant man.
AntiochusIII
10-26-2005, 23:43
racist jokes, made by people outside of the race they "joked" on, is most undesirable. Albeit the "punishment" cannot be legally carried out: freedom of speech can be undesirable at some points, but we shouldn't just deny the right because of that.
Inside jokes, on the other hand, like the British example (albeit not racist) in the other thread are not harmful.
I don't think umeu should get over this: his "friends," according to him, are racists. And he has the perfect right to confront them. I don't think "it's not funny" is a good way of confronting them, not after a thousandth time; rather, tell them directly (coarsely, if you wish) that they are racists and demand that they leave you alone. Tell them in public, if you wish; they'd be embarrassed by that.
Punching could help; or could get worse. The better outcome does not worth the violence and the risk. So don't.
And Panzer, you're being a racist apologist. Ignoring them only let the seeds of prejudice grow and the problem escalates.
j/k. ~;p
bmolsson
10-28-2005, 02:54
I think that both sides in this discussion takes the whole issue far to seriously......
Kaiser of Arabia
10-28-2005, 03:14
I get made fun of for being German-Italian all the time (Axis powers, remember?), if it gets to me, I threaten to rip the guys intestines out and hang him with them, no biggie.
Dairush, racial humiliation unfamiliar? Try going to a heavily black area of the US as a white man. You might as well just draw a target on your forhead.
I get nazi jokes all the time, although I aint a nazi. I just suck it up and give a counterjoke. I even do that with blatant insults like
"Your a Nazi."
PM me if you want the full thing, I can probably post it but I won't take the risk.
Idaho: And you're a deeply insulting man who, in all honesty, takes things too far at many points. Get over it.
Byzantine Prince
10-28-2005, 03:50
erm, if you don't consider race to be scientifically correct, then why bother?
why whine?
people will be stupid and ignorant. I've told people things that are true by the book and they have had the balls to laugh and mock me. Not only will these types of people be ignorant, they will also most likely be incompetent. This goes for racists as well. It's best to just let them be.
Also beating people is against the law last I checked. If you think beating them is going to bring some sort of result, you are just as incompetent as them.
Weebeast
10-28-2005, 07:44
I find it funny that people go berserk when they joke about race but they barely go crazy if someone jokes about them being fat. I can't see the difference really. Plus, most racist jokes are stereotypes and stereotypes are not always true. I would conclude that beating someone is worse than makin' fun of his/her race. Yep....
Papewaio
10-28-2005, 08:09
Being fat is highly likely to be due to lifestyle choice. You don't get a choice who your parents are.
"And in the same old Cain and Abel syndrome, far more ancient than the fall of Rome" - New Word Hawdah (LKJ). :bow: :horn:
Dairush, racial humiliation unfamiliar? Try going to a heavily black area of the US as a white man. You might as well just draw a target on your forhead.
Bad experiences I take it? Tell me; was this area you mention predominantly poor?
And I am not merely ‘occasionally going to a heavily white area’ (as insulting as it sounds). I live in one.
So your friends tease you with your Italian-German heritage? I get teased by my friends for my Persian heritage “All Persians drive Mercedes-Benz”. But I dare say that there is a fine line between playful teasing by friends and being ill treated by strangers because of your skin-colour, religion, and last name.
Mouzafphaerre
10-28-2005, 13:21
I find it funny that people go berserk when they joke about race but they barely go crazy if someone jokes about them being fat. I can't see the difference really. Plus, most racist jokes are stereotypes and stereotypes are not always true. I would conclude that beating someone is worse than makin' fun of his/her race. Yep....
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I was overly fat last year; have been almost fit this summer, am mildly "plump" nowadays. It's all about my diet and sporting habits.
I was born as a palish Mediterranean white 30 years ago and, when I die, they will burry a palish Mediterranean white --unless I get deformated in fire, desease etc.
People (only close friends) mockering with my fats, intentionally photographing my overgrown belly... have merely been an axtra force-motor for getting fitter. Not likely but if someone buggers with my phisiological/phisionomical properties, though, he will be dealt with properly.
I'm not proud with anything that I haven't gained myself. On the contrary, I won't let anybody make fun with anything that I simply have to live with from genesis.
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Just A Girl
10-28-2005, 14:25
Racist stuff pisses me off,
Now im white, Im not Ashamed of it, and I dont care if people Call me white,
I dont understand why saying the word Black can offend "black" people,
(I really dont think it does and Its just white americans telling us it does)
Other races, Arent really any difrent,
We call japanese people "Jap's" I doubt that is offencive but maby im wrong.
I still recon it shouldnt be, Its just informal short hand.
"having said that, A freind of mine put me firmly in my place 1 day when i happend to say.. "your a jahova right?" (we were talking bout religion)
He took some offence from that, And now i always say jahovas witness.
so it could be offencive i guess..
But back to calling black people black like i origionaly intended to type.
Any 1 with 1/2 a education knows that the 1st humans were black,
"Ever seen a black person with White freckles?"
But look at The wite people, We have Freckles that Show us our origins.
So I really dont beleve in racism as its portrayed to be,
However. I understand There are Some Proper IDIOTS out there Who think They are Great and they are rthe best.
And the only way they can make them selfs feel like that is to single out People Who are difrent.
4 instance.
2 people And 1 Idiot in a room,
1 person is 4 foot 8inches 14 stone. (172lb's or s) and has glasses,
the other person is avarage height build exetera.
Who do you think the idiot will attack?,
"obviously would be the short fat guy with glasses"
Only becous he is diferent.
Idiots like that need to be able to Insult some 1. Otherwize It would probably be them on the receving end.
I imagine its similar with racism. mixed race communitys never used to happen. So when it 1st started There were probably individual familys Mixed in with other races, Majoroty of which were origionaly white.
Its probably just a throw back from Times where difrent raced people Were difrent to every 1 els in the neigbour hood.
And now some people Just refuse to let go.
(id like to say Its their problem, But Not all people Have thick skins, So I guess Its Every 1's problem.)
now I know ive gotten 1 account banned already this month.
But Im a firm belever that Lightning dosent strike twice.
So im going to attempt a joke.
A Black man says to a white man.
When i am born i am black,
When i am young i am black,
When I am ill i am black
When i am old i am black
And when i die I am black...
But you white man...
When you are born you are purple,
When you are young you are white.
When you are ill you are green
When you are old you are gray
and when you Die you are blue.
And you have the nerve to call me coloured!
P.S
Id just Insult him back . Or post Pics of him all over the school doing something terrible.
Noting to malishious.
P.P.S
Hope this dosent come over as racist Cos im not to bad,
And disslike White people the most out of every 1. (and imk white So that cant be racist either "can it")
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My post On some 1 elses account.
You should know who this is.
The Stranger
10-28-2005, 16:06
Aww, somebody needs a nap.
Look man, you came into this thread acting like a crybaby quite frankly. "Oh no, the mean boys are calling me names.. sympathize with me! Help me!"
Well Im not going to shed crocodile tears over this because its nothing but drama. You dont think we all get ragged on at one point or the other? And to make this even less significant.. they're just joking!
What I have done, however, is give you some damned good advice. A hell of a lot better than "beat them up" or even confronting them. Beating them up is just idiotic(and by the way you act Id be surprised if you even could), and confronting them only shows them how much it bothers you and they will always have something to hold over you.
If you roll with it.. laugh at the funny ones.. and maybe even throw out some of your own jokes (doesnt have to be racial, just pick something about them and tease them about it).. the issue will eventually correct itself.
Im sorry people are saying things you dont like to hear, but that is life. Its not them making you upset, its yourself. If you are proud of who you are, there is nothing they can say that should cause you to run to the internet for support. ~:mecry:
I was askiing for your oppinion...and yes i didnt really meant it when i said that i didnt apreciated your words...and i never intended to play the pathethic guy or tri\y to beat m up...i do laugh at funny racist jokes, like the one shambles made...but some i dont apreciate
The Stranger
10-28-2005, 16:12
the meaning of this thread was not to bash each other
Alexanderofmacedon
10-28-2005, 23:07
In like four of my classes me and three other guys hang out all the time. We always say stuff like "shut up dirty mexican" and stuff like that to the semi-mexican one.
He doesn't ignore us, he just knows we're really good friends and we don't mean it. Sometimes he even makes jokes about it. If they're really good friends then they're probably just messing with you, like me and my friends do...
~D
The Stranger
10-29-2005, 12:24
theyre not my friends...and my friends would never call me a slave...ofcourse they do laugh when i scream through the class that i had a BLACK out :P and they make similar jokes...and i dont mind those
True that the great majority "reacts," but not all. Some have learned to think and act, even in such situations; hate does not always beget hate. The great "prophets" that so many of us revere with religious fervor certainly did not advocate responding to hate with hate.
That is why they are great prophets ~;)
If someone is stupid enough to fall under the thought of beeing a racist, which is totally irrational except for some nutty guys that think that race-mixing is bad, then they will not act like our great prophets and respond with flowers and endless wine.
EDIT
Kaiser of Arabia: I like the bunny in your signature...
The Stranger
10-30-2005, 10:24
i dont have a sig anymore ~:mercy:
Alexanderofmacedon
10-30-2005, 17:20
The Stranger is black?
I never would have guessed (am I right in believing this?)
:bow:
The Stranger
10-30-2005, 19:33
yes,,,got a problem with it ~;) ~D
Mouzafphaerre
10-30-2005, 20:41
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Black is beauty. ~:)
Having said that... All my black beauty is on backup disks now. Should dig out some for the next classy invasion.
http://www.piratescrossroads.com/yabbse/smilies/zthinking2.gif
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Geoffrey S
10-30-2005, 23:11
Must remember never to think out loud... mmm, midget basketball players...
:thinking2:
Alexanderofmacedon
10-30-2005, 23:15
yes,,,got a problem with it ~;) ~D
Yes. Very much so...
~;)
Mouzafphaerre
10-30-2005, 23:28
Must remember never to think out loud... mmm, midget basketball players...
:thinking2:
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Now that's unfair! :gah2: I looked up all smiley sections three times and couldn't find the thinking balloon. Had to use an external one. How come, how come...
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