Super MOD Questions (SP)

[Jaret]

Lo ppl.

I´am currently planning a MOD ( a big one ) to make the game even more fun than it already is for me. I would like to gather some opinions before I get started with it ... when it´s done I´ll surely make it available for ya guys http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif .

There is something about MTW I found to be kinda odd. How are the Turks (example only) gona recruit Ottoman Infanterie in Wessex for example ?

I plan to change many (not all) units so they can be only produced in certain Provinces (like Kerns/Gallowglas with Ireland).

In my opinion thats more realistic ... however it has to be done with care.

Idea is ... eg. The English can only train Basic units + some certain Muslim units in Antioch. Why shouldn´t the Saracenes be willing to fight for the English ... if they Govern the Province well (without Rebelion) and Pay good money ?
Surely not every single type of Unit should be available to everyone but I find it highly unlikely that the Danes are able to train Vikings in Egypt.

I hope you get my point.

Surely a MOD like this needs some planning and research before it can be done right.
So far I have only given it a thought or two.

My idea is to give small factions some more Provinces and Units to make them more of a challenge when the AI controls them. I think changing AI behaviour is a good idea too, in some cases.

A question that is realy giving me trouble is : Which Units to make available to everyone and where there would be the Areas those Units are most likely to be build. (and which ones should be restricted to only one faction ... and why)

A thing to remember is that Muslim, Orthodox and Catholics will gain the ability to build Units that usually belong to another Faction/Religion if they capture the right Provinces.

Another thing is that I would like to improve the amount of Resources (esp. Iron) on the campaign Map. Which Provinces have been forgotten by the Devs ?
Due to my Egypt vacation I know that the Egyptians only had interest in Sinai because of its rich Goldmines ... Do you know of more things like that ?

Some of you guys really seem to enjoy researching stuff on the web ... any help would be greatly appreciated http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif ... maybe we could make a MOD together, (a perfect MOD) that all of us like to play.

regards
J.

[Nial Black Knee]

No faction should be able to produce any other factions Elite troops. It shouldn't be that hard to produce reg. troops from a different faction. History is replete with
examples of common units fighting with so called enemys, but you can do that by building Inns.

[A_B]

Quote Originally posted by Jaret:

I plan to change many (not all) units so they can be only produced in certain Provinces (like Kerns/Gallowglas with Ireland).

In my opinion thats more realistic ... however it has to be done with care.
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I think this is a great idea. Not so much to give a player access to other factions troops (which, as someone has already pointed out, can be hired as mercenaries), but to limit their unique units from being made in a foreign land. The Byz. shouldn't be able to take over a highly built up territory, and immediatly start cranking out Varangian Guard - for example.

As for research, i think common sense, and known faction start positions, will go a long way...

[solypsist]

going to mod forum.

[shogunlatte]

why not, Varangian Guard was mostly made up of foriegn troops. if the turks take over normandy and builds an army from scratch they are going to train them to the turk way of fighting. now if the local pop. is already skilled at a certain way of fighting then that would be taken advantage of.

[dclare4]

Need this info as well for my own big mod... can anyone enlighten us here?

Thanks,
Gloucester

[ShadesWolf]

I dont mean to be negative. I do think this is a good idea in principle.....

However, Take a look at english longbowmen, for example. They were only every produced in England. Even when England controlled well over 1/2 of France (during the 100 years war)
Longbowmen were still produced in England. It was a way of life for that administration, to train bowmen from a young age to become experts....

Now are we saying that a foreign power is going to concure a provance, and thus allow that provance to continue the way it historically has.

This is my point, usually when an area is conquered it takes on a diffent look.

Now if we are taking about Muslim taking Catholic areas, this is a big change in my eyes, culture etc.....

Just my thoughts on the subject....
In my opinion, you should look more at a specific unit or units that can only be built in conquered lands, like only building turk Jan's outside turkish terittory.

Overtime land could become classed as turkey, ie accepted into the empire and given full memberhip....

[Jaret]

I said most ... not all ...

Of course the Turks shouldn´t be able to train every special Unit of the English as they conquer the british Islands.

I´ll try to poin out my thoughts about the MOD with another Example ... hope a better one this time http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Imagine you are the King of the Turks ... you fight your Way trough the Byzantine Empire. Along that way you notice that your Army gets into trouble time and again by ambushing Bulgarian Brigands. A few weeks later you have conquered Bulgaria ... and of course you are interested in those Brigands that caused you so much trouble. You set up a good Govenour for the Province and the local population accepts you as heir new leader ... meaning they don´t rebel against you. Since you want to continue your onslaught on the Catholic factions you prepare your Army to move on and deal with Hungary. Why should the Bulgarians refuse to fight for you the way they did before ? If you are able to find recruits in Bulgaria ... meaning you are able to train Units there ... why should these Units be everything ... but Brigands for which Bulgaria was so famous for ?

The peopels way of life influenced their way to wage war ... Bulgarians are used to fight as Brigands. Of course maybe you can convince some to fight like Saracene or Ottoman Infantrie ... but are the Stats of these Units only dependant upon their equiptment ? I don´t think so ... it´s their way of life that made the Saracene Infanterie what it was. A Unit of Saracene Infanterie recruited in Wessex would be no more than Spearmen since the English lack that way of life ... maybe those Turkish recruited English Spearmen would fight and be equipted like like Feudal Sergants ... the Turks had Saracene in mind tho, but it´s just not the way to fight like for an Englishmen.

Besides that ... I really don´t like Inns ... they are Unbalanced ... and generaly do &%"/$%" . (Don´t build Siege Engineer ... simply buy some merc engines, ffs). I really would like to reduce the amount and Type of Units that could be recruited there.

[shogunlatte]

thats true about inns. i dont like it when im able to hire berber mercs. in norway. doesnt seem right.