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Franconicus

10-28-2005, 07:35

Franconicus

10-28-2005, 08:10

The "Right-Wing" is a misleading term. On the Right, we have anything from Libertarians who tend to be social liberals, to states rights proponents, to neocons who are absolutely nothing at all like the former two in that they are heavily socially conservative and intervensionist, to religious right enthusiasts that would happily live in a theocracy.
Now I am even more confused~:confused: Thank you ~;)

Libertarians?? Are they the same as Liberals?
States rights proponents
Intervensionists

I used to think that America has a rather boring two party system. Now I have to learn that it is extremly complex and confusing.

Gawain of Orkeny

10-28-2005, 08:15

Libertarians?? Are they the same as Liberals?

Heck no
You want to get even more confused. Im a Libertarian yet so is Ichi. Go figure.

Heres the Libertarian website

LINK (http://www.lp.org/)

Heres a list of somecurrent politicl parties in the US

Alaskan Independence Party
Aloha Aina Party
America First Party
American Heritage Party
American Independent Party
American Nazi Party
American Party
American Reform Party
American Patriot Party
American Populist Renaissance
Charter Party of Cincinnati, Ohio
Communist Party USA
Conservative Party of New Jersey
Conservative Party of New York State
Constitutional Action Party
Covenant Party (Northern Mariana Islands)
Falconist Party
Family Values Party
Freedom Party of the U.S.A.
Freedom Socialist Party
Grassroots Party
Greens/Green Party USA
Independence Party of Minnesota
Independent American Party
Independent Citizens Movement (US Virgin Islands)
Labor Party
Liberal Party (New York State)
Liberty Union Party (Vermont)
Light Party
Marijuana Party
Marijuana Reform Party (New York)
Mountain Party (West Virginia)
Natural Law Party
New Party
New Progressive Party of Puerto Rico
New Union Party
New York State Right to Life Party
Peace and Freedom Party
Personal Choice Party
Popular Democratic Party of Puerto Rico
Populist Party (Nader 2004-affiliated, unrelated to earlier so-named parties)
Progressive Party (Vermont)
Prohibition Party
Puerto Rican Independence Party
Reform Party
Republican Moderate Party (Alaska)
Revolutionary Communist Party
Socialist Action
Socialist Alternative
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Labor Party
Socialist Party USA
Socialist Workers Party
Southern Party
Southern Independence Party
Spartacist League
United Citizens Party
U.S. Pacifist Party
U.S. Taxpayers Party
We the People Party
Workers World Party
Working Families Party
Workers Party, USA
World Socialist Party of the United States

Heres a rundown on some of the major players

LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States)

Ser Clegane

10-28-2005, 08:29

Marijuana Party
Marijuana Reform Party (New York)

Did the latter secede from the first? :shifty:

Kanamori

10-28-2005, 08:58

Can someone help me please?
The American right wing is so confusing to a simple European.
What are:

Conservatives
Republicans
Neo-Cons
Religious Fanatics
Creationists
Think Tanks
Lobbiests
KKK?

It's np man, most americans don't even know for sure what is up over here. u want to know, and anyone can respect that. conservatives are the opposite of liberal, that is the most succinct way i can put it. in america there is the idea that there are two opposite ends, conseravitve and liberal, although many simplify further by making it republican v. democrat. republicans are our version of a typical conservative, although there are a significant amount of republicans that i think would disagree w/ a lot of the morality issues behind the gop lately, likes drugs, extreme christian morals and whatever. i think i woudl describe neo-cons as the more radical-christian type gop member, altho there would be many in the gop that would disagree (someone throw in disagreement, it will be fun when im ~:thumb:) lol, religious fanatics are people in like the bible belt that want to put christianity, islam, judaisim or whatever into our government. i think that that would usually be used as an iinsult (doh!) by more liberal people~;). Creationists are,strictly speaking, those that are very opposed to darwinism in a very religious way. think tanks are groups that do research or ponder complex questions here, they usually have a political leaning when they are trying to problem solve, but i would say that there are roughly as many conservative ones as there are liberal ones. lobbiests are people like the nra. they throw money at our politicians in order to try and get their attention when it comes to social issues. besides the nra i would probably include some christian groups, the aclu, the american library group (sorry can't remember the last word of their name right now) etc, etc basically anyone who has an interest in politics and can throw lots of money behind it. the kkk is the klu klux klan, they have been largely assholes. in the early days of their history, i think i may be totally wrong in my recollection right now, they were less extreme than they are now or have been right after the time of reconstruction ( the period after the civil war when the republicans, back then they were super liberals and the democrats were less against slavery [thjis bracket mayu be incorrect, ive only used them in math ~;) and times when i use too many parantheses, like now, oh the point of the bracket was to say that republicans now would protest to being called less equality oriented~;)] bracket~;)) anways on the KKK i thin their official statement of purpose (or whatever) is like: we will protect justice... yeah.

Justice Black was a former member of the KKK altho he ended up to be one of the more liberal, so to speak, members of SCOTUS. Yeah, he was w/ douglas when it came to obscenity... see my sane posts in that thread, and don't let my recent ones get to u~:)

Franconicus

10-28-2005, 09:08

Thanx!
I think I become an Intervensionist. :knight: Looks like the US needs someone to stop that chaos ~;)

Ironside

10-28-2005, 10:30

Libertarians?? Are they the same as Liberals?

US libertarians is the closest thing to European liberals, but as Gawain said, the US got thier own definitions.

Kaiser of Arabia

10-28-2005, 20:51

Wow, I didn't know that was still around.
It's dormant, but they have their own website. Well they have 400284789284782984 differant websites. They voted for Kerry :singer: :rifle:

Anyway, the Falconist party looks good to me! :bow:

Geoffrey S

10-28-2005, 21:08

In general when it comes to social issues what is referred to as the left in the US is more conservative when compared to Europe, probably fairly centrist. For sure the definitions 'left' and 'right' call to mind different things in both continents.

Crazed Rabbit

10-28-2005, 21:32

Can someone help me please?
The American right wing is so confusing to a simple European.~:rolleyes:
What are:

Conservatives
Republicans
Neo-Cons
Religious Fanatics
Creationists
Think Tanks
Lobbiests
KKK?

What do they stand for? What is their influence?

You can be conservative fiscally (small, accountable gov't.) or socially (traditional, support family values and morals, etc.) Fiscal conservatives have been getting the shaft recently from Bush in his humongous budget.

Republicans, sometimes used interchangebly with conservatives, are those who vote republican and/or support that party.

Neo-Cons are more interventionalist in looking out for our nation's interests, the label is more in relation in how they think gov't should function to preserve America's role in the world. I'm not entirely sure of the definition, nor of how much power they have currently.

Religious Fanatics, by which I assume you mean fundamentalists since they are not fanatic, are those who hold a socially conservative view because of their religion, and tend to support the Republicans more since they are the more socially conservative party. While their turnout may have won the last election for Bush, their influence is not that great.

Creationists are those who believe in the literal, 7 day creation of earth, interpretation of the Bible. Not much of a force in politics, though the subject of creationism, intelligent design, etc., have become more prominent recently.

Think tanks are organizations whom I think exist just to think about issues and provide what they view as the correct solution. No connection to the gov't, both parties (and some groups) have them.

Lobbyists are those who are paid to talk to congressmen on behalf of their clients. Most, if not all, politically active groups have at least some.

KKK is the Ku Klux Klan. A racist, anti-Catholic, anti-immigrant group, they supported the democrat gov'ts of the southern states after reconstruction ended. Negative (as in, you don't want them on your side) to nill influence.

Libertarians are those for a small gov't that stays the heck out of your business, and the libertarian party is also isolationist. They support gun rights, free speech, legal drugs, etc.

Crazed Rabbit

Alexanderofmacedon

10-28-2005, 22:41

Aurelian

10-29-2005, 08:47

Can someone help me please?
The American right wing is so confusing to a simple European.

Oooh, this looks like fun. I'll play too.

1) The Republican party is one of our two dominant political parties. It was founded in 1854 as a Northern anti-slavery party. It originally favored national interests over state's rights. It had little support in the South. President Lincoln was the first Republican president.

After the Civil War, the Republican party dominated the political system. It remained an almost exclusively Northern party, and was supported by Eastern industrialists, Midwestern farm interests, and most immigrants. The Republican party's main issue was to keep high tariffs to benefit Northern industry.

During the Progressive era of the early 20th century, a split developed within the Republican party. In 1912, former Republican president Theodore Roosevelt ran against his successor President Taft. Even though Roosevelt won the primaries, party bosses gave the nomination to Taft. Roosevelt left the party and created the more progressive "Bull Moose" party. Roosevelt and Taft ended up splitting the Republican vote, and President Wilson (of WWI fame) won the election.

The Republicans retook control of national politics following WWI, and held power during the "Roaring Twenties". President Hoover was in office when the "Great Depression" struck, was blamed for its severity, and lost to Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1932. The party regained power under President Dwight D. Eisenhower in the 1950's.

The modern Republican party developed primarily in reaction to the Democratic party's mid-twentieth century support for the civil rights movement. By supporting civil rights for African-Americans, presidents Kennedy and Johnson alienated traditionally Democratic white southerners. The Republican party from Nixon onward pursued a "Southern Strategy" that played to the concerns that conservative Americans had about all forms of social change.

The modern Republican party is an alliance of:

1) Business interests (who oppose unions, minimum wage laws, taxation, and government regulation)
2) Fundamentalist Christians (who are concerned about sexual issues and are opposed to secularism)
3) Nationalistic militarists (who think the US should be militarily dominant, unilateral, aggressive, and intolerant of internal dissent)
4) Conservative libertarians (who don't want to be taxed or interfered with by the government in general)

These are often the same people. As a group, they tend to consider themselves "conservatives". There are, of course, other unifying issues. In contrast to the Republican party of the 19th and early 20th centuries, the party's power base is now primarily in the South and Plains states. It has been rapidly losing its moderate wing to what would have previously been considered extreme right candidates.

2) Neo-Cons. The Neocons are a policy faction within the US government and intelligencia. They are an odd little group whose members were referred to as "the crazies" during the first Bush White House. The Neocons have become identified with the notion that American power should be used unilaterally and aggressively to forestall the development of any challenges to US global rule. The Neocons are primarily Jewish and also strongly identify with the state of Israel and its strategic interests. Many of the Neocons were previously Trotskyists and followers of a "philosopher" by the name of Leo Strauss who taught that history's "wise men" have a duty to lie to the people to protect themselves and pursue their agenda.

3) The alternative conservative foreign policy faction is often referred to as the "Realists". Henry Kissinger, Brent Scowcroft, and the first President Bush fell into this category. "Realists" believe that the US needs to use its power only where its interests are directly threatened, and should pursue a short-term strategy of supporting tyrants in order to establish the stability needed for long-term democratic change.

4) The Religious Right is a term used to describe the Christian religious movement that supports the Republican party. The Religious Right contains right wing Catholics, but is primarily dominated by "evangelical" or "fundamentalist" Protestant Christianity. Many of the religious right sects are uniquely American religious movements with a peculiar emphasis on: apocalyptic imagery from Revelations, a fear of and opposition to secular education and the teaching of evolution, an exaggerated view of the importance of sexual issues in Christian teaching, and a nationalist identification of flag, capitalism, the US military, and Christianity as one. Their biggest rallying cause is the belief that abortion is murder.

5) Lobbyists are people who work in Washington to further the interests of a client. Some lobbyists do so on behalf of corporations, others work for non-profits or interest groups (like the NRA, or the environmental movement). Lobbyists provide access to outsiders, and campaign contributions to insiders.

Currently indicted Republican Uber-Lobbyist Jack Abramoff is a particularly sleazy example of the lobbyist trade. LINK (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/11/abramoff.indictment/)

6) The Ku Klux Klan. A "White Supremacist" organization that arose in the South following the Civil War. Originally, much of its membership was former Confederate soldiers who met covertly, and terrorized and murdered Southern blacks and "carpetbaggers" through night-time raids. The Klan reached its zenith in the 1920s when the organization expanded to many parts of the country. In addition to keeping blacks "in their place", the Klan opposed Jews, immigrants, communists, socialists, and anyone they saw as a threat to the social order. The Klan is still an active organization, but no longer has the numbers that it did at the height of its power. However, there is still enough sympathy for the views of the Klan that former Grand Dragon David Duke was able to run for elected office in Louisiana with some success during the late 1980's-1990's.

Devastatin Dave

10-31-2005, 19:55

I'll give you the KKK definition.

Basically they are protestants who try and scare people with violence to vote in their way again (I think it's to vote mainly republican, but I'm not completely sure)

Why is this thread not locked while this...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=56407
thread is?

Lazul

10-31-2005, 20:09

Family Values Party.... yeah, sounds american allright.

yesdachi

10-31-2005, 20:17

Oooh, this looks like fun. I'll play too.
Nice summery Aurelian.~:)

Tribesman

10-31-2005, 21:24

Why is this thread not locked while this...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=56407
thread is?
Oh no , someone is bashing the KKK , since the KKK claim to be Christians then that means they are bashing Christians .
Damn Liberal godless commie moderators , shut this thread at once as you are being biased against Christianity .~:rolleyes:

Or could it be .....So if you don't like it, report it or just shut your pie hole.
~D ~D ~D

Devastatin Dave

10-31-2005, 23:42

Oh no , someone is bashing the KKK , since the KKK claim to be Christians then that means they are bashing Christians .
Damn Liberal godless commie moderators , shut this thread at once as you are being biased against Christianity .~:rolleyes:

Or could it be .....So if you don't like it, report it or just shut your pie hole.
~D ~D ~D
Guess you're still pissed at me for pumping your dead mother...

Devastatin Dave

10-31-2005, 23:54

Guess you're still pissed at me for pumping your dead mother...
Oops, my bad, I get you and Goofball confused. It was his mom that I got all necro with. Canadians are easily confused, like middle eastern terrorists ya know...

Crazed Rabbit

11-01-2005, 00:35

Actually, Dave, there are some fundamental differences you know. In another life, I lived but a half hour's drive from the border. There are the French-Canadians, still sore over getting beat some 250 years ago who are very nationalistic. There's the large amounts of immigrants. And then there's the pot heads who so kindly grow large amounts of weed that fuels a goodly portion of the drug trade in the USA. And finally, there's the normal, 'eh' saying Canucks who like hockey and beer.

Similarily, one can often tell regional differences between terrorists by what kind of head-garment they are wearing.

Crazed Rabbit

solypsist

11-01-2005, 03:02

Why is this thread not locked while this...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=56407
thread is?

ask and ye shall receive.