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Jagger
10-29-2002, 03:57
I'm Back!!

I have looked at the various region associations. I have determined what they mean except for NO-Faction/All Faction.

Here is an example that uses all regions from crusbuildprod file:

Gallowglass INFANTRY 175 3 1 0 80 60 1 DISCOURAGED "CATH_BANDITS(20), CATH_LOYALISTS(15), CATH_PEASANTS(15), CATH_REBELS(15), PAG_REBELS(2), PAG_LOYALISTS(2), PAG_BANDITS(2)" ENGLISH IRELAND "POVERTY_STRICKEN(306.25), DESPERATE_DEFENCE(17.5), CATHOLIC_EXPANSIONIST(210), CATHOLIC_NAVAL_EXPANSIONIST(210), CATHOLIC_TRADER(175), CATHOLIC_CRUSADER_TRADER(175), CATHOLIC_EXPANSIONIST_CRUSADER(210), CATHOLIC_DEFENSIVE_CRUSADER(140), POPE(87.5), CATHOLIC_DEFENSIVE(140), CATHOLIC_ISOLATIONIST(87.5), ORTHODOX_DEFENSIVE(140), ORTHODOX_EXPANSIONIST(210), ORTHODOX_STAGNANT(175), MUSLIM_PEACEFUL(175), MUSLIM_EXPANSIONIST(210), MUSLIM_DEVOUT(210), BARBARIAN_RAIDER(280), REBELS(175), CLOSE_TO_SUPPORT_LIMIT(29.75)" { SWORDSMITH } ATTACKER ALL_PERIODS YES "HEIGHT( 85 ), RADIUS( 25 ), SCALE( 120 ), PROJECTILE_TYPE( NONE ), SAMURAI( YES ), MARCH_SPEED( 6 ), RUN_SPEED( 10 ), CHARGE_SPEED( 11 ), MIN_TURNSPEED( 2 ), MAX_TURNSPEED( 8 ), TURN_TO_MOTION_SPEED( 8 ), MAX_INMOTION_TURN( 96 ), FORMATION_WIDTH_SPACING( 60 ), FORMATION_LENGTH_SPACING( 60 ), ENGAGEMENT_THRESHOLD( 1500 ), CHARGE_BONUS( 8 ), MELEE_BONUS( 5 ), DEFENCE_BONUS( 0 ), ARMOUR_LEVEL( 2 ), HONOUR_LEVEL( 0 ), AMMO( 0 ), FORMATIONS_PREFERRED_NUM_ROWS( 4 )" NO "own_unit_tooltip1, own_unit_tooltip2, other_unit_tooltip1, other_unit_tooltip2" "LTOPHELM, YES, YES" NO_FACTION IRELAND "Missile, Shocktroop, Spear, Cavalry" "SKIRMISH(0), ADVANCE_PARTY(1),
OUTFLANKING_FORCE(0), MAIN_BODY(2), HOLD_TERRAIN(1), RESERVE(1), REINFORCEMENT(1), ASSAULT(2), ASSAULT_COVER(0), ASSAULT_COVER_CASTLE_ATTACK(0), COVER(0)" CATHOLIC 0 UNCONTROLLED NONE NO 1 YES 0 0 AXE YES


For Gallowglass, note that the first two locations bolded-English and Ireland are for ruler and region advantage.

1. Ruler ID Troop Advantage for Gallowglass is English. So the English receive valor bonus when building Gallowglass---Another example would be French building any crossbows.

2. Region ID Troop Advantage for Gallowglass is Ireland-Receive valor bonus when built in this region. Another example would be building HighlandClansmen in Scotland or Chivralric Knights in Provence.

Note the second two bolded regions for Gallowglass-No Faction and Ireland.

3. Faction Association for Gallowglass---Faction association is which factions can build Gallowglasses. Sometimes specific factions such as HRE or FRENCH are listed, in which case only those factions can build those units. Sometimes ALL Factions or NO Factions are used instead of specific factions. I can't determine the distinction between the two when examining examples.

4. Region Association----For Gallowglasses, units can only be built in Ireland. Units with specific regions may only be built in those particular lands such as Clansmen in Scotland.

Hopefully the above is understandable and helpful.

Can anyone explain the fine distinction between All Factions or NO Factions? As far as I can tell, the answer isn't the obvious answer.

Appreciate any help from anyone that knows the difference.

[This message has been edited by Jagger (edited 10-28-2002).]

Jaret
10-29-2002, 12:53
I can ... just found out while moding http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif .

You see that " CATHOLIC " ? !!!!

NO_FACTION and CATHOLIC means = Nobody but Catholics can build this Unit !

Simply change it too : NO_FACTION and "CATHOLIC, ORTHODOX, MUSLIM, PAGAN" ... then everybody will be able too build it !

ALL_FACTIONS does not need a specification but ALL_FACTIONS - CATHOLIC means that all Catholic factions can build the unit ... I belive *heh*.

Btw. take care with those """ and the free spaces ... don“t TAB around or the entire forumla get weird http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif .

Lord Krazy
10-29-2002, 21:41
Faction Association:NO_Faction


this means no_faction like it says
so no FACTION may produce it
without owning the region they
come from

Region: Ireland

This means you may only produce this
unit in Ireland.

LK

Jaret
10-30-2002, 00:45
AaaHhh, now it is getting clearer ! Thanks, LK !

Jagger
10-30-2002, 01:24
LK, that is what I thought originally. But then there are a number of units which have ALL_FACTIONS and then list a region.

For example, the GeneoseSailors are listed as ALL_FACTIONS GENOA. A couple of units are ALL_FACTIONS and then list a number of regions.

I can't see a difference between GenoeseSailors with ALL_FACTIONS GENOA and Gallowglass with NO_FACTIONS IRELAND. In both cases, you must own the region to build the unit.

I suspect the NO_FACTION is a filter that works with some other factor. But I don't know what. Perhaps it is religion????

If the answer is religion, then the muslem almoheds wouldn't be able to build Gallowglass if they owned Ireland. However they would be able to build GenoeseSailors if they own Genoa. Anybody ever have that situation?



[This message has been edited by Jagger (edited 10-29-2002).]