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OK, so dittoheads can now 'support' the troops in Iraq by contributing to a fund to provide servicemen and women free access to Rush Limbaugh's website and transcripts of his propoganda/ broadcasts. I think its $49.99
From the website
Welcome to the Rush 24/7 Adopt-A-Soldier Program, where service members can register to receive a Rush 24/7 membership from a pool donated by Dittoheads.
Sponsors may adopt as many soldiers as they would like at a reduced price. Each adopted soldier will receive a complimentary, one year subscription to Rush 24/7
and the Limbaugh Letter.
If you are an active member of the military who would like to register, or a family member or friend of an active member of the US Armed Forces who would like to register their name, please click the blue Armed Forces Registrant bar below and follow the provided instructions. If you would like to adopt a soldier, please click on the gold Adopt-A-Soldier Donor bar below and follow the provided instructions.
Thank you for your interest in the Rush 24/7 Adopt-A-Soldier Program.
OK, now you can prolly guess that I never cared much for this gasbag, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry about this.
If Rush wanted to he could simply make his 6u11$h!t available for free, but this is a disingenious ploy to sell more memberships.
Gah!
ichi:bow:
Leet Eriksson
11-16-2005, 03:12
If i was a US Soldier, or someone who would want to adopt a soldier, i'd put that 50$ into something entertaining.
Like buying a videogame ~;p, you all have to admit, playing a computer/video game is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than watching TV, especially when its all political BS.
Meh, he didn't come up with the idea- he's just facilitating it. If droves of Rush fans want to spend money so that other Rush fans can listen to him for free.... whats the problem? I wouldnt say he's being particularly charitable in this- but he's not particularly being a jerk either. :shrug:
Seamus Fermanagh
11-16-2005, 04:05
Rush Limbaugh has never shied away from capitalism.
Proletariat
11-16-2005, 04:15
If I was over there and someone sent me this I'd take out a little PTSD on them when I got home. What a useless gift to someone out in the sand.
If I was over there and someone sent me this I'd take out a little PTSD on them when I got home. What a useless gift to someone out in the sand.
Yeah, but you wouldnt be sent it- it's by request. That sorta avoids wasting it on people who hate the guy. ~D
Proletariat
11-16-2005, 04:18
Trust me, G Cube. No one over there would want you to spend $50 on this when you could've sent them porn.
Every soldier I've worked with at WRAMC is so sick of getting trash bags filled with cookies everyday. There's really one thing they frequently wish they'd get sent.
Proletariat
11-16-2005, 04:19
Ah, I see. Still, if you're thinking of those guys at all, spend fifty bucks on something more would probably care about.
Gawain of Orkeny
11-16-2005, 05:54
Trust me, G Cube. No one over there would want you to spend $50 on this when you could've sent them porn.
I think your wrong here. Most of the Marines I know that are serving like Rush. The armed services are a very conservative organization in general. Most of the guys I know are sick and tired of the crap they see on tv and in the news and love guys like Rush who are unabashed lovers of the military. He even went to Afghnastan for a week just to visit them.
Red Harvest
11-16-2005, 06:23
Trust me, G Cube. No one over there would want you to spend $50 on this when you could've sent them porn.
Maybe Rush will alter his site to be more...accomodating of the soldier's needs. ~D
Reminds me of that movie (1945?) where the father is lecturing his daughter before she goes to a dance with some GI's that are getting ready to ship out. He tells her that he knows what sort of pressures she will be under since these guys will be leaving soon, and then says, "so show 'em a good time." ~:eek:
Gawain of Orkeny
11-16-2005, 06:48
Maybe you should listen to the man himself explain it.
Rush's Adopt-a-Soldier (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/rush_24_7_adopt_a_soldier/coming_monday.guest.html)
The soldiers have to request the membership. It was pretty funny listening to the Senate debate Rushs show the other day. He is just like Al Franken........NOT
Papewaio
11-16-2005, 10:21
Can someone explain to me that if the armed services are so conservative why some of the highest concentrations of brothels are near bases?
Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe
11-16-2005, 11:58
Can someone explain to me that if the armed services are so conservative why some of the highest concentrations of brothels are near bases?
For those frustrated not to be in the army*!
Louis
*and its first grade porn supply
Red Harvest
11-16-2005, 18:03
Can someone explain to me that if the armed services are so conservative why some of the highest concentrations of brothels are near bases?
Conservatives tend to have a lot of trouble with sex scandal type issues...the people I've known at work who got in trouble for internet porn and sexual harassment were the *most* conservative ones. Gives me a chuckle every time.
Proletariat
11-16-2005, 18:09
Can someone explain to me that if the armed services are so conservative why some of the highest concentrations of brothels are near bases?
Because most of this customer base are 18-30 year old males who are often in close quarters with nothing but men for long stretches?
I think the growth in conservatism amongst the US Military has more to do with the way their percieved by the majority of the left and their leaders (yanno, not that many people in the Military appreciate having their peers labeled as Gulag runners and so on) than it does with soldiers being pro-states rights, anti-abortion, family values, etc type of guys.
Most of the soldiers I've worked with or have been in units with usually have a pretty socially liberal mind-set, but usually vote for the guys who at least appear to be supportive of their often thankless work. Of course, that's just anecdotal evidence.
Devastatin Dave
11-16-2005, 18:48
I know when I was stationed in Korea, I would have loved this. There are all sorts of folks that serve. I've served with mostly folks that have a conservative mindset, but I've known many liberals in the services as well. The good think about Rush and other conservatives is that they give the military a pat on the back instead of most on the other side of the spectrum prefer to tell you that you are wrong, a baby killer, etc. I'd rather read material from someone that actually "supports the troops" than someone that sayd they "support the troops" but try everything they can possibly do to undermine your efforts and making the likely hood of your mission to fail. That's not supporting the troops. Cudos to Rush.
KafirChobee
11-16-2005, 23:54
Know what? Rather than help Rush get wealthier than he already is - send your money to an organization that really does have a heart for those serving in the military.
http://www.uso.org
Someone had sent me anything politically motivated when I was overseas and we'ld have used it as toiletpaper. The only reason Rush is at all liked in the military is, he's all they have to listen too. It is Rush's truth - or nothing. There is no "freedom of the press" when it comes to military radio or tv.
Bottom line is, why would anyone think this is a good thing? BTW, yes, I contribute to the USO. Why not the (my) family has 4 members serving (2 USAF, 2 Army) - 3 overseas. Not including my son (retired AF) who is in Iraq as a private contractor (much to the dismay of his Mother and Grandparents).
Makes more sense sending to a real fund, versus one to benefit one greed mongering chickenhawk (think it was hemerroids for Rush to - like Chenney; maybe they gave then to one another?). ~D
Of course that's just an idea. BTW, the best gift I got was an "assorted cheese basket" - kept real well on my window sill. My houseboy guarded it like a hawk - shared, you know?
When I first saw this cheap ploy by Rush to make money off supporting soldiers, I was amazed by his gall. When I read the posts in here about how it is OK, or not really bad, I just shook my head.
Why not provide the service for free?
Of course, if Rush really wanted to do a service he'd move somewhere where's there's no internet or radio or telephone and get back on the Oxycontin.
But at least Kafir gets it
Makes more sense sending to a real fund, versus one to benefit one greed mongering chickenhawk (think it was hemerroids for Rush to - like Chenney; maybe they gave then to one another?).
Kafir when you gonna drop into the lobby for a few?
ichi:bow:
Gawain of Orkeny
11-17-2005, 02:06
Of course, if Rush really wanted to do a service he'd move somewhere where's there's no internet or radio or telephone and get back on the Oxycontin.
One more time. IT WASNT RUSH's Idea. The man does a great service for america even if you dont like him. Of course he helps thwart many of the ideas of you and others on the far left, yes I know your a Libertarian~:eek: Hes offering reduced rates to these people and providing the soldiers with something they want. He didnt do this to get rich he already is. Hes an unabashed capitalist. Its not like hes acting like hes a philanthropist. He expalins exactly hoew it works. If the soldiers dont want the membership their sure not going to get one.
Strike For The South
11-17-2005, 02:22
If I were a soldier I would want porn Ive decided
Why not provide the service for free? Gee, I dont know... why isnt his show commercial free too?
Why doesnt he just give free subscriptions to everyone? ~:handball:
Gawain of Orkeny
11-17-2005, 02:29
Originally Posted by ichi
Why not provide the service for free?
I already told you why. Rush is a capitalist pig and damn proud of it. He would be a hypocrit if he gave it away. Its a win win situation for him and the d\soldiers. Theres nothing wrong with that. Hey why doesnt Al Franken send them all a free copy of his book or free podcasts of his show. Ill tell you why. Nobody over there wants his crap.
Devastatin Dave
11-17-2005, 02:37
If I were a soldier I would want porn Ive decided
In some places you are stationed, you not allowed to have porn shipped to you or own it.
Strike For The South
11-17-2005, 02:38
In some places you are stationed, you not allowed to have porn shipped to you or own it.
Im going to change that
Gawain of Orkeny
11-17-2005, 02:39
Would you like to place a wager on that?
Devastatin Dave
11-17-2005, 02:48
Im going to change that
Good luck. Just a hint after you attempt to change the policy of the UCMJ when dealing with contraban, don't pick up the soap.~D
Proletariat
11-17-2005, 03:26
All I'm saying is that anyone who spent fifty bucks on this and feels like their supporting the troops is kidding themselves. All they did was support Rush, nothing more, nothing less.
If you love Rush, go ahead. Donate as much as you want. But if the troops are what you're concerned about, believe it or not, Kafir's right. Donate to the USO.
All I'm saying is that anyone who spent fifty bucks on this and feels like their supporting the troops is kidding themselves. All they did was support Rush, nothing more, nothing less.
If you love Rush, go ahead. Donate as much as you want. But if the troops are what you're concerned about, believe it or not, Kafir's right. Donate to the USO.Well, it's buying the troops something they want- same as sending cookies.... or porn, I guess. You're sending them a subscription to something that they want to have (otherwise they wouldnt be signing up). So, I would say that you are supporting the troops that are Rush fans- the same way that sending porn would be supporting troops that are porno fans.
I'm not going to do it, mind you. I don't subscribe myself- but that's neither here nor there. This whole thing is a non-issue, imo. It's not great, its not horrible- it just is what it is.
Proletariat
11-17-2005, 03:53
So, I would say that you are supporting the troops that are Rush fans- the same way that sending porn would be supporting troops that are porno fans.
As long as they acknowledge they're supporting Rush fans first, and troops second, sure. So, no 'We Support the Troops' yellow ribbon for donaters. They can get the 'We Support Limbaugh' bumber sticker.
It's not great, its not horrible- it just is what it is.
Agreed, 100%.
Gawain of Orkeny
11-17-2005, 05:14
As long as they acknowledge they're supporting Rush fans first, and troops second, sure. .
Duh !!!!! Who else would want to subscribe to Rush 24-7? ~D Hes supporting any troops who would like a free subscription. You dont even have to be a conservative to qualify .~;) I suppose if he were having adopt a soldier send me 50 bucks and Ill send you 25 hours of porn that would be better. Maybe he should just provide all the troops with porn. Its more of a you wah my hand Ill wash yours. Rush and the troops both make out. Its only the people who wish to contribute that get have to pay. This is why the mans so rich and brilliant. Just look how much hes made of camp gitmo alone.~:joker:
If Rush cared so much about the troops he'd donate his service, which would be easy for him to do cause lots of suckers in the US have already made it a profitable enterprise.
But he wants to make $$$$, and he's doing it in a way that falsely appeals to Americans sentiments for the troops.
As Gawain says, he's an unabashed capitalist. In this case he's profiting from misguided patriotism.
But ulta-conservatives can't be objective about Rush, they idolize him, so why bother.
Either you see it for the ploy that it is, and you realize that the right thing to do would be to provide the service for free, or you don't.
ichi:bow:
That's the 3rd time now you've made almost the exact same statement in this thread- irrespective of any statements made since.~:handball:
Either you see it for the ploy that it is, and you realize that the right thing to do would be to provide the service for free, or you don't.
Why not provide the service for free?
If Rush wanted to he could simply make his 6u11$h!t available for free, but this is a disingenious ploy to sell more memberships.
Its like shouting in order to help deaf people hear.
But I can't help the blind to see
ichi:bow:
Its like shouting in order to help deaf people hear.
But I can't help the blind to see
ichi:bow:
Or like shouting while sticking your fingers in your ears? ~;)
Or like shouting while sticking your fingers in your ears? ~;)
I wouldn't know, never tried that.
ichi's puppet theater for the backroom
ichi: the sky is blue
Xiahou: no its not
ichi: it is, and here's why
Xiahou: I dont think so
ichi: no, really, it is
random member who stumbles in: WTF? is going on in here, get a life!
AM: watch the language, please
Gawain: Of course I'm right
ichi: it is, here's why, sorry if you don't get it
Xiahou: I don't get it. BTW you're repeating yourself
Gawain: liberal democrats smell funny
PJ: The time of cleansing is at hand, soon the streets will be washed clean by a real rain
Papaweio: Got any naked pictures of your wife?
Papeweio: want some?
Pindar: some very deep exploration using words and concepts that I barely understand but inevitably lead me to believe that he has a point
ichi: look, here's why it is
Gawain: not, and Clinton did it too
Xiahou: so did Kerry
ichi: I'm outta here
Xiahou: no you're not!
Gawain: peace out
All of the characters depicted in 'ichi's puppet theater are fictional and any resemblance to a living person or persons is purely paranoid delusion
For a transcript of this show please look in any of about a thousand threads in the Backroom
ichi:bow:
ichi: it is, and here's why:laugh:
Oh yes, you've articulated your position so well.... "Rush is a scumbag because he's not giving everything away for free!" ~:rolleyes:
Clearly you dont like the man- and that's your right, but that doesnt mean that everyone automatically agrees with your distortions....
Listeners requested that they be able to donate subscriptions to soldiers, who are also Rush listeners, since active members of the armed forces only get to listen to 1hr of his show at the most. He facilitates this (you could already give gift subscriptions, but now you can give them to a soldier without specifying a name), offers a 15% discount on these subscriptions in addition to donating a number of them himself. So, where's the crime in this?
Shall I write your response for you, or will you actually address the specifics of the matter?
There's no crime in this, its just demonstrates the man's total lack of class, and his thirst for money.
Look Xiahao, I have addressed the specifics. This could be provided for free, and if Rush wanted to 'support' the troops, then he'd make it available to them. But his priority is to make $$.
If fans requested this service from me, and I was a draped in the flag, I sure as hell wouldn't charge them for it.
But the irony is lost on you, my knuckle-dragging friend, so let's agree to disagree.
What others are saying
From RushLimbauhOnline
Clearly this is a tasteless marketing ploy. Rush and Premiere Radio Networks are fattening their coffers by exploiting the generosity of listeners with the use of our military troops as props. There is not one thing stopping Limbaugh and Premiere from simply giving the subscriptions away. Rush 24/7 amounts to accessing content on rushlimbaugh.com. This content is produced and costs Premiere the same no matter how many people are consuming it. The Limbaugh Letter amounts to a handful of printed pages. If Rush and Premiere Radio Networks wished the troops to experience the generous and supportive spirit of the show, they would simply provide this to the troops instead of making it a function of how many Rush listeners are willing to pony up $49.95 per soldier.
***
To any sensible person, soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan have needs far more urgent than either Rush 24/7 or the Limbaugh Letter. Items such as bullet proof vests, up-armored Humvees, airline tickets for family members to visit injured troops at Landstuhl or Walter Reed are certainly higher on the wish list. But such a donation drive would not result in Premiere Radio Networks making profits in the millions.
Strangely, Rush took the opportunity of this announcement of the "Adopt a Soldier Program" as something of a test for liberals.
RUSH: I've got an idea for you liberals. Liberals are always out there saying you "support the troops." Well, then adopt a soldier! Join the Adopt-a-Soldier program at RushLimbaugh.com if you're a lib and you want to say you support the troops. This is a great way to prove it.
The irony in all of this is massive. Limbaugh evaded serving his country at a time when it needed him, by getting his private doctor to declare he had a pilonidal cyst and needed a 4f (Rush could have gotten treatment). Today, instead of encouraging his listeners to make thoughtful donations, he is exploiting their sense of patriotism to enrich himself and his network. The troops should be supported by sensible policy and civilian leadership that objectively considers facts, admits and corrects mistakes, and supplies them with everything they need. Subscriptions to consume the rhetoric of an opportunistic radio entertainer is hardly a substitute of any kind.
Gawain of Orkeny
11-17-2005, 21:02
From RushLimbauhOnline
Could you provide a link. Why is he giving them a 15% discount? So your complaint is hes not giving enough to satisfy you then? ow much have you given to the troops? At least hes donating 15%.
The irony in all of this is massive. Limbaugh evaded serving his country at a time when it needed him, by getting his private doctor to declare he had a pilonidal cyst and needed a 4f (Rush could have gotten treatment).
So then why did they give him 4f status? Also you dont need to join the service to support the military. Can you truthfully say Rush isnt one of the biggest suporters we have of the military?
Red Harvest
11-17-2005, 21:04
There's no crime in this, its just demonstrates the man's total lack of class, and his thirst for money.
Look Xiahao, I have addressed the specifics. This could be provided for free, and if Rush wanted to 'support' the troops, then he'd make it available to them. But his priority is to make $$.
If fans requested this service from me, and I was a draped in the flag, I sure as hell wouldn't charge them for it.
Sums it up perfectly for me. It really illustrates the difference between gratuitous symbolizing, and real motivations. The lesson here is simple: Rush's priority list has the almighty dollar ahead of the troops or the nation.
Perhaps instead of being draped in a flag, an oversized dollar bill would be more appropriate? :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:
Gawain of Orkeny
11-17-2005, 21:06
Ah theres the Red I know. Welcome back.
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Red Harvest
11-17-2005, 21:23
Ah theres the Red I know. Welcome back.
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The donkeys are nice, but you need to get them to smiley size. Surely someone has a dancing donkey smiley somewhere?
Gawain of Orkeny
11-17-2005, 21:30
The donkeys are nice, but you need to get them to smiley size. Surely someone has a dancing donkey smiley somewhere?
Nah the point is that their big Jackasses.~D
There's no crime in this, its just demonstrates the man's total lack of class, and his thirst for money.So are companies that sell phone cards to be donated to troops also showing a total lack of class and thirst for money? I'm just curious about when it becomes classless for someone to sell a product or service. Were you one of those wanting to tar and feather oil companies as well?
Sums it up perfectly for me. It really illustrates the difference between gratuitous symbolizing, and real motivations. The lesson here is simple: Rush's priority list has the almighty dollar ahead of the troops or the nation.Oh now that's just silly- where has he claimed that this was a charity? Where is this 'draped in the flag' nonsense coming from? People who have the money and inclination are giving gifts to soldiers who will appreciate it. If people are buying care packages to be sent to soldiers who want them, should we browbeat the company that sells them for not giving them away? Of course not. Nor should they be praised, they're providing a service.
As I've said before, this is neither laudable or condemnable- it just is what it is. It's a non-issue that's being trumped up by those that have an axe to grind. If someone is going to come out and say he should be praised for providing this service, Id think they're just as wrong.
If someone is going to come out and say he should be praised for providing this service, Id think they're just as wrong.
Good enough for me, something we can all agree to.
Since the thread is tending towards become personal, I think I'll just leave it be.
ichi:bow:
Gawain of Orkeny
11-21-2005, 18:18
News Flash. Rush is matching every single donation. In other words for ever person who adopts a soldier Rush will match it by actually buying a subscription for another soldier. Not just give him a free one but actually pay for it out of his own pocket.
News Flash. Rush is matching every single donation. In other words for ever person who adopts a soldier Rush will match it by actually buying a subscription for another soldier. Not just give him a free one but actually pay for it out of his own pocket.
Wow, even Rush is capable of recognizing a mistake and correcting it. Of course, when Rush buys a subscription he's actually paying himself, but he can take credit for providing his service for free.
Of course, now the issue that concerns me most is that our troops might be listening to 24/7 drivel, this could cause more than a few to hurl into their humvees
ichi:bow:
Gawain of Orkeny
11-22-2005, 02:23
Wow, even Rush is capable of recognizing a mistake and correcting it. Of course, when Rush buys a subscription he's actually paying himself, but he can take credit for providing his service for free.
He made no mistake. He simply got tired of hearing your type complain. Also hes not apying himself unless every dollar from Rush 24-7 goes in his pocket whaich I highly doubt. He does hafe a staff and other things to pay. Hes trying to do the troops a service. You just cant stand the man. If he paid for it all by himeslf you would accuse him of spreading propoganda and paying people to read it.
He simply got tired of hearing your type complain.
My type?
I guess that means people who know bullshit when they smell it and aren't afraid to call people on it.
So, my type includes you.
If he paid for it all by himeslf you would accuse him of spreading propoganda and paying people to read it.
He is spreading propaganda, deliberating polarizing the country with his caustic babble. But if he had simply donated access to his website (which already exists and wouldn't require any more than the minimal extra effort and cost to provide free to servicemen and women) I wouldn't have brought up what an incredibly disingenuous ploy it is to get people to give Rush money.
Rush saw what a public relations disaster his generous offer had become, so he back-pedaled and made it a little better. The reason it was such a disaster is that a lot of people, good, reasonable, decent people, saw the irony in it. And when you antagonize and demonize entire segments of your countrymen, you have to be prepared for them to fire back when you give them an opening that anyone could drive an entire semi-load of OxyContin through.
Admit it, while you were defending this pompous jerk he saw the error of his ways and reacted.
ichi:bow:
Gawain of Orkeny
11-22-2005, 03:41
My type?
I guess that means people who know bullshit when they smell it and aren't afraid to call people on it.
No your type in those that would critisize him no matter what he did.
He is spreading propaganda, deliberating polarizing the country with his caustic babble
Thats strictly your opinion.
Rush saw what a public relations disaster his generous offer had become, so he back-pedaled and made it a little better.
There was no disaster.
Admit it, while you were defending this pompous jerk he saw the error of his ways and reacted.
He is neither pompous nor a jerk but the greatest political satarist since Will Rodgers. You take him far too serious. Hes just a lovable little fuzzball.
Red Harvest
11-22-2005, 04:18
No your type in those that would critisize him no matter what he did.
:thrasher: Couldn't find a violin playing smiley...
Thats strictly your opinion.
No, it's accurate. Even when I found Rush amusing when he first made a splash I didn't kid myself about how divisive his approach was. Back then I viewed it as humor...sort of like Andrew Dice Clay, without the charm.
There was no disaster.
There is no spoon. :sultan:
He is neither pompous nor a jerk but the greatest political satarist since Will Rodgers. You take him far too serious. Hes just a lovable little fuzzball.
:cheerleader: :elephant: :cheerleader: :elephant: :cheerleader:
He is no Will Rogers, anymore than Dan Quayle was JFK. :cowboy:
Strike For The South
11-22-2005, 04:22
I love how all the far right political commantaters IE:Ann,Rush are considerd satarists by the right when they say something insane they are satarist and when they say something semi-sane there considerd profund I mean talk about covering your ass
Gawain of Orkeny
11-22-2005, 04:32
I love how all the far right political commantaters IE:Ann,Rush are considerd satarists by the right when they say something insane they are satarist and when they say something semi-sane there considerd profund I mean talk about covering your ass
The fact that some cant tell the humor from the truth is not their fault. Any regualr listener knows when Rush is trying to be profound and whens hes joking. The guy is plain funny. Why do you think hes so popular?
No, it's accurate. Even when I found Rush amusing when he first made a splash I didn't kid myself about how divisive his approach was. Back then I viewed it as humor...sort of like Andrew Dice Clay, without the charm.
He wants to unite America. I admit he plans do this by eliminating Liberalism. Sounds like a good plan to me. He advocates the American way. Educate the people and get them to vote. Thats why the Libs hate him. Hes way too effective.
Red Harvest
11-22-2005, 05:16
He wants to unite America. I admit he plans do this by eliminating Liberalism. Sounds like a good plan to me. He advocates the American way. Educate the people and get them to vote. Thats why the Libs hate him. Hes way too effective.
Sounds more like fascism than the "American way." He doesn't want everyone voting. That would doom the GOP.
Effective? LOL, he's preaching to the choir. He isn't converting anyone, just providing you with entertainment.
He is no Will Rogers, anymore than Dan Quayle was JFK. :cowboy:
I think you could argue that JFK was no JFK. ~;)
No your type in those that would critisize him no matter what he did.
Well, you're wrong again. I have a clear sense of objectivity and only criticize those who deserve it. Rush clearly, repeatedly, earns the criticism I (and many others) give him.
I can see the difference between right and wrong, and would never unfairly heap criticism on someone that doesn't deserve it.
Some folks, however, seem willing to abandon objectivity in favor of a one side supports their side no matter what. Seems like dittoheads are the ones who would act in a specific manner regardless of the facts.
And once again you've failed to discuss the issue without making it personal.
ichi:bow:
Gawain of Orkeny
11-22-2005, 07:33
Well, you're wrong again. I have a clear sense of objectivity and only criticize those who deserve it. Rush clearly, repeatedly, earns the criticism I (and many others) give him.
We all feel that way yet you and I disagree totally here. Can we both be right?
I can see the difference between right and wrong, and would never unfairly heap criticism on someone that doesn't deserve it.
I have to disagree. Though you are generally a very fair man.
Some folks, however, seem willing to abandon objectivity in favor of a one side supports their side no matter what. Seems like dittoheads are the ones who would act in a specific manner regardless of the facts.
Ditto heads are not blind followeras of Rush. He says what we think. It used to be we thought no one else thought this way. We go by the facts my friend as Im sure you do. AS we see them and theres the difference.
And once again you've failed to discuss the issue without making it personal.
No once again you have chosen to take it personal. I oppose your views. I certainly have no personal axe to grind with you as I consider you a friend. This is merely a debate.
No once again you have chosen to take it personal.
From this thread
He simply got tired of hearing your type complain.
ow much have you given to the troops?
No your type in those that would critisize him no matter what he did.
From other recent threads
Your libertarian cover is finally blown. Its just the opposite. I havent seen a word of truth in your post yet. But I won call you a liar like many call Bush. Your just mistaken and havent got all the information.
Again with people like you around in WW2 we would have lost. You people just dont have the stomach for a fight unless someones holding a gun to your head it seems. You better wake up soon and face reality.
Ill just label you naive.
Im saying you have a defeatest attitude like most of the libs.
I hope it is possible for you to realize that every time you use the word 'you' YOU make it personal.
Debate these issues without resorting to little jabs at the people you are arguing with.
Its time to take some responsibility for making it personal, and stop accusing me of taking it personally when clearly it is intended to be so.
I certainly have no personal axe to grind with you as I consider you a friend.
Then stop making comments about me, stop insulting me, and talk about the issues not about me.
ichi:bow:
Gawain of Orkeny
11-22-2005, 16:32
I hope it is possible for you to realize that every time you use the word 'you' YOU make it personal.
Wow so thats all it takes to make it personal? If I quote YOU does that make it personal? Also if you look I only used YOU once and that was LIKE YOU.
Then stop making comments about me, stop insulting me, and talk about the issues not about me.
Again Im not insulting you. If I say I dont think your right it seems to insult you. Oops made it personal again.~D
Its time to take some responsibility for making it personal, and stop accusing me of taking it personally when clearly it is intended to be so.
Its not in the least. Thats the last thing I intended. If you feel Im trying to insult you I humbly apologise. I just cant see where your coming from. It seems you have the same hate for Rush that many liberals do. Its the same attitude many have for Bush.I may be wrong but thats how it appears to me. NO matter what they do their wrong. Oops I said you again.
Red Harvest
11-22-2005, 17:51
I love how all the far right political commantaters IE:Ann,Rush are considerd satarists by the right when they say something insane they are satarist and when they say something semi-sane there considerd profund I mean talk about covering your ass
Well said and quite true.
Its not in the least. Thats the last thing I intended. If you feel Im trying to insult you I humbly apologise. I just cant see where your coming from.
Sorry Gawain, it can't be both ways. Either recognize that when a person tells someone that 'you people don't have the stomach for a fight' that is making it personal, and accept that there is a way to discuss issues without insulting others, or stand your ground. But please, don't apologise and then use the entire post to make it look like the problem is with me.
If I say I dont think your right it seems to insult you.
That's hilarious, you know that's not the case but insist on exaggerating everything to the ridiculous. You can tell the difference between essentially lumping someone in with cowards and disagreeing with a person.
Whatever, I tried to take the high road and play nice. Since I'm an AM here I have to try to play by the rules, and since you seem intent on skirting the rules and trying to push my buttons I'll just take it for what it is, and leave it at that.
ichi
Gawain of Orkeny
11-23-2005, 03:26
Sorry Gawain, it can't be both ways. Either recognize that when a person tells someone that 'you people don't have the stomach for a fight' that is making it personal,
I never said YOU dont have a stomach for a fight. Ive fought you too many times to make such a statement.
That's hilarious, you know that's not the case but insist on exaggerating everything to the ridiculous. You can tell the difference between essentially lumping someone in with cowards and disagreeing with a person.
Just because someone dosent want to fight doesnt make them a coward. In fact sometimes its the more couragous thing to do. I never have said you were a coward. Perish the thought.
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