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Teleklos Archelaou

11-20-2005, 21:41

Just thought I'd let out a peek (an authorized one though ~D ) at one building progression - at least from one culture's point of view (this will certainly not be the complex from the point of view of the Romans or eastern factions or barbarian ones). The bonuses aren't set on these at all, so they are a WIP for sure, but the base information and progression are done, so it shouldn't hurt to give this one a viewing.

This is actually a look at the 'amphitheatres' building complex, but from a Hellenic point of view. No 'games' (like the Romans have) are held in them though if you are a Hellenic faction. They generally increase happiness and your generals who are present in cities that have these will probably get a slight boost in their chances if they compete in the Olympics - bettering their chances even more in the best ones below. They might have an XP boost at the highest levels, but we aren't sold on that yet. Harder to argue for it in 272 B.C. than if it had been in the 5th century B.C.

So first you start out constructing, at a very low cost, a Game Field:

Leimon Agonion - Game Field
https://img434.imageshack.us/img434/2208/gym04pd.th.jpg (https://img434.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gym04pd.jpg)

Then you can construct a Small Gymnasion, at a higher cost of course:

Gymnasion Mikron - Small Gymnasion
https://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2773/gym16jc.th.jpg (https://img121.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gym16jc.jpg)

Then, most cities can still construct a basic Gymnasion:

Gymnasion - Gymnasion
https://img434.imageshack.us/img434/579/gym28of.th.jpg (https://img434.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gym28of.jpg)

The basic Gymnasion is all that a lot of Hellenic cities can reach, but if you have certain types of governments, you can then face an option. You may choose to put more money and time into adding onto your gymnasion complex with a large palaistra and focus on bettering your citizens and generals' athletic pursuits. Or you can instead choose to put more money into developing the complex into one that focuses more on the pursuits of the mind and develop more its academic complexes.

Gymnasion Mega kai Palaistra - Great Gymnasion and Palaistra
https://img429.imageshack.us/img429/5338/gym3a3ny.th.jpg (https://img429.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gym3a3ny.jpg)

Gymnasion Akademaikon - Academic Gymnasion
https://img434.imageshack.us/img434/4541/gym3b2mm.th.jpg (https://img434.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gym3b2mm.jpg)

Some Hellenic factions don't have all these options, and some only have the highest options available in provinces with certain types of governments. After all, only those provinces that have the most truly Hellenic types of governments should be able to build their best structures.

Hope this livens things up a bit around here. I'm not involved in the hardest coding work going on right now with the preparations for the open beta, so I've been getting a bit 'antsy' and was itching to release a sneak-peak at some of this stuff. This actually is a brand new complex and many of our own members haven't seen all of this up until today as well. ~D Hope you enjoyed it!

Spendios

11-20-2005, 21:59

Yes ! This a very interesting mini-preview and it brings some news here!
I love the evolution from the game field to the great gymnasion!
But I'm curious to see buildings for other cultures (if it is authorized) !

Btw you mention that thre are different types government, can you enlighten us with this feature or maybe it belongs to the "secret-things-not-to-release-if-you-don't-want-the-death-squad-on-you ?

The more time pass the mod this mod promises to be amazing !
Thanks to all the team especially for the guys involved in the hard coding work needed to release the beta !

Cheers !

Byzantine Mercenary

11-20-2005, 22:01

wow, great work, can't wait to see the rest

Geoffrey S

11-20-2005, 22:02

Very interesting!

The picture for the 'Gymnasion Mikron' looks somewhat familiar; it wouldn't happen to be near Mt Olympus, would it?

Teleklos Archelaou

11-20-2005, 22:04

Btw you mention that thre are different types government, can you enlighten us with this feature or maybe it belongs to the "secret-things-not-to-release-if-you-don't-want-the-death-squad-on-you ?The short answer is going to be 'No, not really'. We don't want to reveal too much - it will hopefully be one of the most interesting challenges to fans, so we don't want to spoil it by leaking out too much info about it. The fact has been known for a while that we've got different governments (each unique to it's own factions) and that they affect everything from traits to unit recruitment to building selection.

Ergion

11-20-2005, 22:08

I am very happy to see another preview and know that you still working in the mod.

Thanks. ~:)

RandyKapp

11-20-2005, 22:08

Spankey.

Ludens

11-21-2005, 00:04

Very interesting. Thanks, Teleklos!

Oaty

11-21-2005, 02:29

Why the -5 % public order when it gets to higher levels though? Too compensate fo the troop experience bonus?

Reverend Joe

11-21-2005, 02:55

Spankey.

What is "spankey"? Are you doing something inappropriate? :stare:

jedispongee

11-21-2005, 04:18

Are these buildings going to appear in cities in the battlemap?

wolftrapper78

11-21-2005, 07:41

Maybe I am just seeing things or overlooking something because I am tired and sick, but what is this faction flag for the city in Asia just North of Rhodes? In the earlier picture with Rhodes, the flag for that city was Greek Rebel. Now, it looks to be a specific faction with a flag that I do not recognize. Maybe Galatia is a faction? But I have been wrong before.

Forgus

11-21-2005, 11:40

Greek_fire19

11-21-2005, 13:53

A preview! awesome work guys, much appreciated

O'ETAIPOS

11-21-2005, 14:32

Great mini preview! Although I have question: Is it possible to use Greek alphabet for Greek unit, building, etc. names?

Teleklos Archelaou

11-21-2005, 16:57

Great mini preview! Although I have question: Is it possible to use Greek alphabet for Greek unit, building, etc. names?While it is possible (I have been told), we are sticking to english letters for sure. A transliteration is simple and the vast majority would be able to better understand it that way. But look on the bright side: we are using a transliteration from Greek, and not the Latinized variants of these words. ~D

Teleklos Archelaou

11-21-2005, 17:01

Are these buildings going to appear in cities in the battlemap? Unfortunately, no. We have no 3D modeller to do these currently.

Why the -5 % public order when it gets to higher levels though? Too compensate fo the troop experience bonus? Not quite sure if we will use that still, but the idea would be that in provinces outside of the greek homelands that the gymnasia, while promoting Hellenism, also were extremely restrictive in who they would allow in and who they kept out. A little like the resentment of the masses against an elite country club (which would be especially prevelant in more backwards places). Like I said, this isn't for sure gonna stay, but if we want to balance out some extra bonus we give them that's particularly good (as you mentioned), we might leave it in.

Spendios

11-21-2005, 20:45

Does the title "a sneak peek at one" means that we may have another mini preview like that each week until the beta ?

Teleklos Archelaou

11-21-2005, 21:01

I suppose another building one would be boring. Maybe some of the other guys might have something they could release. Well, there's tons that we *could* release, but I guess I really mean maybe they can see if there's something that it would be ok for them to release.

So I guess the real answer to your question is "no": the title wasn't meant to suggest that there will necessarily be others, but who knows... :hide:

Spendios

11-21-2005, 21:10

OK, thanks for the answer...
By the way I'm sure that if I create a poll "do you think another building preview will be boring ?", I don't think a lot of fans will answer yes...~;)

Thanks for this one though it was very nice :bow:

O'ETAIPOS

11-21-2005, 22:18

A bit off topic question, will you make some ships better (I mean built on Rhodes)?

Alexander the Pretty Good

11-22-2005, 00:10

Hmm.

*Consults Modder's Almanac*

"A new preview fortells the doom of another long wait. The beta you seek has been delayed."

~:handball:

tk-421

11-22-2005, 03:32

tk-421

11-22-2005, 03:38

Unfortunately, no. We have no 3D modeller to do these currently.

Would you be able to show them if you did have one? that would be pretty cool.

I suppose another building one would be boring. Maybe some of the other guys might have something they could release. Well, there's tons that we *could* release, but I guess I really mean maybe they can see if there's something that it would be ok for them to release.

So I guess the real answer to your question is "no": the title wasn't meant to suggest that there will necessarily be others, but who knows...

I hope you have a few more of these. EB previews are usually the best part or one of the best parts of the week. I hope that you will do something with elephants. Maybe you could have a minipreview entitled "Gimmick Weapons of Ancient World" that features an elephant and a scythed chariot.

Edit: Crap. I don't know what I did but I somehow posted this twice. I thought I was editing this but it posted it again for some reason.

QwertyMIDX

11-22-2005, 04:09

Would you be able to show them if you did have one? that would be pretty cool.

Yes, want to learn how and help?

Divinus Arma

11-22-2005, 20:45

Hmm.

*Consults Modder's Almanac*

"A new preview fortells the doom of another long wait. The beta you seek has been delayed."

~:handball:

Nah. We're all just itchy to release the OB. We appreciate the fans' support and value your patience, so it drives some of us nuts not to give you at least something. I can't say much more, other than keep checking this board. One day very soon you will open this forum and cry with delight.

RandyKapp

11-22-2005, 21:02

Are you doing something inappropriate? :stare:

Off cource.

Spendios

11-22-2005, 21:03

One day very soon you will open this forum and cry with delight.

"Very soon" means, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenaries ? ~D

Just kidding, keep up the good work !

Greek_fire19

11-22-2005, 22:45

Is that all it's gonna be? no 'few days' 'few hours' just 'mmmm, someday soon probably just keep checking, no release date just kinda pretty soon kinda BAM! Open Beta! Hurrah!'

Wow.

Good thing I like surprises.

Birka Viking

11-23-2005, 01:41

Nice preview...keep up the good work...~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:

Sarcasm

11-23-2005, 02:00

All hail Teleklos Archelaou, the obscure Spartan king! :bow:

~;)

tk-421

11-23-2005, 02:24

Yes, want to learn how and help?
I would love to if I could learn. I probably wouldn't be very good though. I am terrible at artsy stuff, even on computers.

Dux Corvanus

11-24-2005, 18:26

All hail Teleklos Archelaou, the obscure Spartan king!

Sarcastic! Considering Spartan character and History, being called a 'Spartan king' is not too different of being called "colonel of the Gestapo"... ~;p

edyzmedieval

11-24-2005, 20:29

Arrived a bit too late....Can't be an EB member now, they got all the modders they need...

Anyways, excellent! ~:cheers:

Steppe Merc

11-24-2005, 20:31

Not true. We always need skinners and moddelers. Mabye other stuff, but I never got any of those coding stuff anyway.

edyzmedieval

11-24-2005, 20:35

Oh...Then I need to learn fast how to skin and model....

An oportunity to join the EB should never be missed....

O'ETAIPOS

11-25-2005, 14:59

Sarcastic! Considering Spartan character and History, being called a 'Spartan king' is not too different of being called "colonel of the Gestapo"... ~;p
You dont like Spartiates, do you?~:) They were not that bad as they're usually portrayed. Connections with Germany are as old as late XIXth century - Germans wanted to be seen as greatest military power (as Sparta) England on the other hand liked to be seen as Athens (great seapower and culture centre theatened by land superpower) as early as Napoleonic Wars. This means that the France and then Germany were seen as Sparta in England and while English speaking scientists had such great influence all arguments in politics were transfered to history. How we see Sparte today is how England saw its enemies up to 2nd WW.
Reality was far less simple - people of Messenia were probably more "free" than hundreds of thousands slaves in Attica or other poleis, many war crimes during late V and early VIth century wars were commited by Athenians (and voted yes by citizen gathering), greatest military seaborn invasion was carried out by peace loving Athenians, Athenian Acropolis is a result of huge fraud of allied cities funds gathered for defence purposes. Don't forget that spartan king was more like field marshal than absolute monarch.
All those small city states were corrupted and the war was normal state among them.~:) Thanks to all goods of Grece Philippos ho Makedoov basileos came in and repaired everything.~;) :charge:

Mouzafphaerre

11-25-2005, 15:10

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Interesting insight. ~:)

Is he a Σπαρτειατος?
:thinking2:
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O'ETAIPOS

11-25-2005, 15:33

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Is he a Σπαρτειατης?
:thinking2:
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About who are you asking me or Philippos?
We are both sons of northern plains ~:) (Me much more northern than he was~D )
bdw how could I use Greek font?

Mouzafphaerre

11-25-2005, 15:56

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Hey, how can you read my thoughts? :gah:

You need to install the Greek keyboard. I posted a how-to before somewhere nearby but can't find now, so here you are again:

You need Win2K or higher;
Open Control Panel > Regional and Language Options. Make sure both checkboxes are ticked on the Languages tab:
https://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8461/ctrlpanellanguages6ps.jpg
Click Add... and select Greek from the list. You can install more than one keyboard layout per language (such as monotnic and polytonic for Greek).
Optionally, click Language Bar... and make sure it's turned on:
https://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1048/ctrlpanellangbar2vx.jpg
You can switch between installed keyboards using Alt + Left Shift (forward) and Alt + Right Shift (backward) hotkeys.

Hth! ~:)
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O'ETAIPOS

11-26-2005, 17:16

Thanks!