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Hurin_Rules
11-22-2005, 20:02
Interesting stuff:


U.K. charges official with leaking Blair memo
Document allegedly says PM dissuaded Bush push for attack on Al-Jazeera
Updated: 1:52 p.m. ET Nov. 22, 2005

LONDON - A civil servant has been charged under Britain’s Official Secrets Act for allegedly leaking a government memo that a newspaper said Tuesday suggested that Prime Minister Tony Blair persuaded President Bush not to bomb the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera.

The Daily Mirror reported that Bush spoke of targeting Al-Jazeera’s headquarters in Doha, Qatar, when he met Blair at the White House on April 16, 2004. The Bush administration has regularly accused Al-Jazeera of being nothing more than a mouthpiece for anti-American sentiments.

The Daily Mirror attributed its information to unidentified sources. One source, said to be in the government, was quoted as saying that the alleged threat was “humorous, not serious,” but the newspaper quoted another source as saying that “Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair.”

Blair’s office declined to comment on the report, stressing it never discusses leaked documents.

In Washington, a Pentagon official described the story as "totally absurd."

In Qatar, Al-Jazeera said it was aware of the report, but did not wish to comment. The U.S. Embassy in London said it was making no comment.

The document was described as a transcript of a conversation between the two leaders.

According to the Crown Prosecution Service, Keogh was charged with an offense under Section 3 of the Official Secrets Act relating to “a damaging disclosure” by a servant of the Crown of information relating to international relations or information obtained from a state other than the United Kingdom.

O’Connor was charged under Section 5, which relates to receiving and disclosing illegally disclosed information.

According to the newspaper, Clarke returned the memo to Blair’s office. Clarke did not respond to calls from The Associated Press seeking comment.

Press Association, the British news agency, said Clarke refused to discuss the contents of the document. PA quoted Clarke as saying his priority was to support O’Connor who did “exactly the right thing” in bringing it to his attention.

Peter Kilfoyle, a former defense minister in Blair’s government, called for the document to be made public.

“I think they ought to clarify what exactly happened on this occasion,” he said. “If it was the case that President Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera in what is after all a friendly country, it speaks volumes and it raises questions about subsequent attacks that took place on the press that wasn’t embedded with coalition forces,” the newspaper quoted Kilfoyle as saying.

Worrying memo?
Sir Menzies Campbell, foreign affairs spokesman for the opposition Liberal Democrats, said Tuesday that, if true, the memo was worrying.

“If true, then this underlines the desperation of the Bush administration as events in Iraq began to spiral out of control,” he said. “On this occasion, the prime minister may have been successful in averting political disaster, but it shows how dangerous his relationship with President Bush has been.”

Al-Jazeera offices in Iraq and Afghanistan have been hit by U.S. bombs or missiles, but each time the U.S. military said they were not intentionally targeting the broadcaster.

In April 2003, an Al-Jazeera journalist was killed when its Baghdad office was struck during a U.S. bombing campaign. Nabil Khoury, a State Department spokesman in Doha, said the strike was a mistake.

In November 2002, Al-Jazeera’s office in Kabul, Afghanistan, was destroyed by a U.S. missile. None of the crew was at the office at the time. U.S. officials said they believed the target was a terrorist site and did not know it was Al-Jazeera’s office.

Meantime, NBC News analyst Bill Arkin says that while there is no military order to bomb any media outlet, the U.S. Strategic Command in Omaha has been given responsibility for exploiting and disrupting the communications and computer systems of news media outlets worldwide.

Arkin says the center of this effort is the Network Attack Support Staff, which while assigned to Stratcom, is headquartered at Ft. Meade, Md.

© 2005 MSNBC Interactive

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10153489/


I guess press can only be free if its American.

Strike For The South
11-22-2005, 20:04
...or the memos lying

Gawain of Orkeny
11-22-2005, 20:17
Meantime, NBC News analyst Bill Arkin says that while there is no military order to bomb any media outlet, the U.S. Strategic Command in Omaha has been given responsibility for exploiting and disrupting the communications and computer systems of news media outlets worldwide.


When do they start? So Adrian better go in hidding I suppose. ~:joker:

Hurin_Rules
11-22-2005, 20:17
...or the memos lying

Its possible. Yet two independent sources have now reported it. It seems that there is no debate about Bush's statement. The only debate seems to be whether Bush was joking when he said it or not. One source says he was, the other is adamant that Bush was deadly serious.

Another thing to note:

Al-Jazeera is based in Qatar, which is an ally of the US.

Adrian II
11-22-2005, 20:44
When do they start? So Adrian better go in hidding I suppose. ~:joker:I am a news inlet, not an outlet. ~:cool:

Strike For The South
11-22-2005, 20:53
Its possible. Yet two independent sources have now reported it. It seems that there is no debate about Bush's statement. The only debate seems to be whether Bush was joking when he said it or not. One source says he was, the other is adamant that Bush was deadly serious.

Another thing to note:

Al-Jazeera is based in Qatar, which is an ally of the US.


True but do you honestly think Bush is this stupid

BDC
11-22-2005, 20:55
Sounds like rubbish to me.

Why would you possibly blow up one of the few bastions of freedom of speech in the entire middle east? Not if you want any sort of claim to be the 'land of the free'.

Red Harvest
11-22-2005, 20:57
...or the memos lying

No from what I've gathered, the memo isn't lying, since it is a transcript. The question is context. Was it humor or was it serious or semi-serious? It could have been like Reagan's joke about bombing the USSR. That scares people a little but it is clearly a joke--even though it is in poor taste. If on the other hand Reagan was serious about it and called Thatcher to discuss it...well that would put real fear into everyone.

The actual wording in the transcript will provide some clues. Right now it is just speculation. I doubt the transcript is a fabrication. There would be no reason for the charge cited if it was fraudulent.

Adrian II
11-22-2005, 21:37
LONDON - A civil servant has been charged under Britain’s Official Secrets Act for allegedly leaking a government memo that a newspaper said Tuesday suggested that Prime Minister Tony Blair persuaded President Bush not to bomb the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera.I don't know.

Could be true, but somehow this story doesn't smell right. Blair is a bit of a lame duck right now and his Iraq policy is clearly in disarray, so in White Hall this is a time to settle old scores; former ambassadors publish damning memoirs, fellow ministers leak stuff to the press that reflects badly on Tony, etcetera. As a journalist I would not touch this story with a barge pole unless I had a reliable source, preferably a witness of the Blair-Bush meeting, confirming the authenticity of the transcript and the fact that the remark was not a joke.

Otherwise I'd go for the 'joke' option.

Call me a lousy hack... ~;)

Devastatin Dave
11-22-2005, 21:42
Tin foil hats anyone?

Red Harvest
11-22-2005, 21:49
True but do you honestly think Bush is this stupid

Don't go there... yes, it is a bit hard to believe he was serious, but he isn't exactly the sharpest pencil in the box. Remember what he said about Brownie?

Adrian II
11-22-2005, 21:52
Tin foil hats anyone?I am surprised you can still talk from within your double-stiched tinfoil suit against Iraqi WMD, Saddam-Osama meetings, mobile biological labs and what have you.

Devastatin Dave
11-23-2005, 01:24
I am surprised you can still talk from within your double-stiched tinfoil suit against Iraqi WMD, Saddam-Osama meetings, mobile biological labs and what have you.
And I'm surprised you can move your arms to type being neck deep in your own BS from all of your spewing of incoherent conspiracy garbage.:bow:

solypsist
11-23-2005, 01:37
I'm laughing at both posts but I think this thread is done for.~:joker: