View Full Version : Iraqi PM: Iraq abuse as bad now as under Saddam
solypsist
11-29-2005, 19:01
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L26654863.htm
"LONDON, Nov 26 (Reuters) - Abuse of human rights in Iraq is as bad now as it was under Saddam Hussein, if not worse, former prime minister Iyad Allawi said in an interview published on Sunday.
"People are doing the same as (in) Saddam Hussein's time and worse. It is an appropriate comparison," Allawi told British newspaper The Observer.
"People are remembering the days of Saddam," said Allawi, a secular Shi'ite and former Baathist who is standing in elections scheduled for Dec. 15. "These are the precise reasons why we fought Saddam Hussein and now we are seeing the same things.
"We are hearing about secret police, secret bunkers where people are being interrogated," said Allawi in an apparent reference to the discovery of a bunker at the Shi'ite-run Interior Ministry where 170 men were held prisoner, beaten, half-starved and in some cases tortured.
"A lot of Iraqis are being tortured or killed in the course of interrogations."
Maybe so, but now they're being abused for FREEDOM.
Tribesman
11-29-2005, 19:04
Try the good news in Iraq thread Soly , though I didn't put in a link to Allawis statements .
rasoforos
11-29-2005, 20:22
Why would anything change? No honestly...
Saddam was put in power by the U.S. They gave him money, weapons to kill the (terrorists back then) Kurds and the Iranians, and vetoed all UN efforts to stop him...
...if he hadnt turned rogue he would be as 'respected' and 'democratic' as the Pakistani Dictator Musharaf...
...CIA practices remain, its just that now there is no single dictator but a council of them.
Not that the few people who stil support this war care...they get their dayly fix of gore from TV and thats all that matters.
yesdachi
11-29-2005, 21:52
People are doing the same as (in) Saddam Hussein's time and worse.
Isn’t there already a thread on sheep and people? Well, anyway get all the sheep in a group, play some music and dance into make believe land. Whatever.~:rolleyes:
Papewaio
11-29-2005, 22:08
...if he hadnt turned rogue he would be as 'respected' and 'democratic' as the Pakistani Dictator Musharaf...
I suggest you read up about Musharaf. He is more of the benevolent dictator mold like Lee of Singapore then Saddam or Mussolini.
The Nawaz Sharif administration
In 1997, Nawaz Sharif was elected Prime Minister after his party, the Pakistan Muslim League won the national elections with a large majority. Sharif's party obtained enough seats in parliament to change the constitution, which he amended to eliminate the formal checks and balances that restrained the Prime Minister's power. The Prime Minister defeated challenges to his growing power, led by the civilian President Farooq Leghari and Chief Justice Sajjad Ali Shah, both of whom were forced to resign - the Chief Justice did so after the Supreme Court was stormed by Sharif partisans. After army chief Jehangir Karamat proposed the creation of a National Security Council to serve as a forum for interaction between top civilian leaders and the chiefs of the armed services, he too was dismissed by Nawaz Sharif, and Musharraf was appointed in his place.
Coup d'état
Musarraf became de facto Head of Government (using the title Chief Executive and assuming extensive powers) of Pakistan on October 12, 1999 following a bloodless coup d'état.
On 12 October 1999, Sharif attempted to dismiss Musharraf and install ISI director Khwaja Ziauddin in his place. Musharraf, who was out of the country, boarded a commercial airliner to return to Pakistan. Senior Army generals refused to accept Musharraf's dismissal. Sharif ordered the Karachi airport to prevent the landing of the airliner, which then circled the skies over Karachi. In a coup, the generals ousted Sharif's administration and took over the airport. The plane landed with only a few minutes of fuel to spare, and Musharraf assumed control of the government. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was put under house arrest and later exiled. The existing President of Pakistan, Rafiq Tarar, remained in office until June 2001. Musharraf formally made himself President on June 20, 2001, just days before his scheduled visit to Agra for talks with India.
Musharraf's views considered relatively liberal
Musharraf was raised in a family that is considered liberal by Pakistani standards. The women of the family are unsequestered and seen and photographed in public without veils. His mother worked for the ILO and was friends with well-known Pakistani liberals. His daughter is an architect.
Shortly after coming to power, and on numerous occasions afterwards, Musharraf expressed admiration for the secularist reformer of Turkey, Kemal Atatürk, outraging religious radicals in the country.
Musharraf has been open to making economic reforms and to modernize Pakistan. He is considered to be a modern, English-style officer - like the old Pakistan army before Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq's rule, which was heavily influenced by the United States and whose officers were often trained there.
rasoforos
11-29-2005, 22:17
Hmmm
Praise for a military dictator.
Thats rich!
I found something nice about liberal Mr Musaraf btw, he is indeed very liberal :
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/15/pakist11129.htm
Yet Allawi is running for election again is he not? Hmm, you dont think that could be just a little bit of a campaign speech do you?
'Things are gettings as corrupt and as brutal as under Saddam! Vote for me and I'll put a stop to it!'
KafirChobee
12-01-2005, 07:30
Sounds almost like the old saying, "The more things change, the more they remain the same".
Another point, there are more people held in prisons today (in Iraq) without being charged with a crime than before Saddam's overthrow. Point two, there are more political convictions than during Saddam's reign. Point three, there are more tortures in Iraq than when Saddam was in power - only now the US is a participant.
All in all, it is a sad state of affairs.
Sounds almost like the old saying, "The more things change, the more they remain the same".
Another point, there are more people held in prisons today (in Iraq) without being charged with a crime than before Saddam's overthrow. Point two, there are more political convictions than during Saddam's reign. Point three, there are more tortures in Iraq than when Saddam was in power - only now the US is a participant.
All in all, it is a sad state of affairs.Oh please, oh please show us where you got those statistics from. ~D
I'll be really interested in seeing that, since I didn't know Saddam published lists of people that he jailed for political beliefs or people being held without charge...
Spetulhu
12-01-2005, 15:14
Oh please, oh please show us where you got those statistics from. ~D
I'll be really interested in seeing that, since I didn't know Saddam published lists of people that he jailed for political beliefs or people being held without charge...
It should be easy to find out roughly how many prisoners the invading coalition set free. Then compare that to an estimate of prisoners today.
It should be easy to find out roughly how many prisoners the invading coalition set free. Then compare that to an estimate of prisoners today.
Yeah, Im sure that's what Kafir did. He didn't just guess or get the factiod from some left-wing blog. ~;)
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