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aw89
12-03-2005, 18:07
I haven't seen any concrete word of patch - some mild hints for a "maybe" - but not any official statemt except "We are discussing if a patch is necassery" a while back.

So, whats the latest announcement about a patch for 1.3 vanilla/BI?

fallen851
12-03-2005, 19:39
I'd be really interested I know this, 1.3 is pretty buggy.

TB666
12-03-2005, 20:12
They are still collecting data and trying to convince SEGA to fund a patch last I heard.
Judging by the bugs I think they have good ground for some funding for a patch.
Personally I don't mind if they take a while with the patch as long as they fix the problems.

aw89
12-03-2005, 22:04
They are still collecting data and trying to convince SEGA to fund a patch last I heard.
Judging by the bugs I think they have good ground for some funding for a patch.
Personally I don't mind if they take a while with the patch as long as they fix the problems.

If you copy - paste the opening post in the bug thread you get 4 pages of bugs in normal 12 writing in word, so its quite a few bugs I'd say.(..)

TB666
12-03-2005, 23:41
If you copy - paste the opening post in the bug thread you get 4 pages of bugs in normal 12 writing in word, so its quite a few bugs I'd say.(..)
Yes I know but does SEGA see it that way tho ~;)

aw89
12-04-2005, 01:42
Do you mean that SEGA and CA lied when they said that CA were to be given free privileges when it comes to games, patches and so forth! :jawdrop:

Shocking indeed!

TB666
12-04-2005, 02:03
I had no idea that they ever said that.
I know SEGA said that they will try to support the game(and I think this is a pretty good time to do so).
But as I said earlier, CA should have a good basis for some money for a patch to fix these problems(and hopefully not create big bugs in the process).
Just hope SEGA agrees.

aw89
12-04-2005, 03:12
Sure hope so, but even if they don't, we still have legion 2 (Same timeframe as vanilla if I'm not mistaken) coming 'round the corner! (Slitherine support they're games quite well, and legion 2 will have 3D battles just like RTW)
2006 release?

lars573
12-04-2005, 04:43
If you copy - paste the opening post in the bug thread you get 4 pages of bugs in normal 12 writing in word, so its quite a few bugs I'd say.(..)
I've noticed that many people call things bugs that CA did on purpose as part of the game so.....

aw89
12-04-2005, 12:42
There aren't so many of those in there, maybe half a page.

hellenes
12-04-2005, 21:29
I've noticed that many people call things bugs that CA did on purpose as part of the game so.....

Hmmm http://www.blizzard.com/patches

Hellenes

aw89
12-04-2005, 21:36
You didn't have to embarrass him publicly you know! ~:(

*From the distance sobbing is heard* No Lars, please don't cry.

Oaty
12-04-2005, 22:51
Hellenes, there's a difference Blizzard has sold so many copies of all thier games they can afford support like that.

hellenes
12-04-2005, 22:59
Hellenes, there's a difference Blizzard has sold so many copies of all thier games they can afford support like that.

Sega-CA have no less money... But thats irrelevant...
Whats is relevant is WHY Blizzard has sold so many games....

Hellenes

lars573
12-04-2005, 23:42
Hmmm http://www.blizzard.com/patches

Hellenes
Jokes on you, I was talking about TW. Idiot.

hellenes
12-04-2005, 23:48
Jokes on you, I was talking about TW. Idiot.

First of all I didnt call you like that.
Second DONT judge others based on yourself.
Third the link's point was exactly 100% to do with the Total War series, and how its Competitors listen to their fans and invest in them, resulting to HUGE revenues and ENOURMUS customer TRUST...

Hellenes

TB666
12-05-2005, 02:02
ENOURMUS customer TRUST...

Hellenes
Guess you haven't played World of Warcraft then.

hellenes
12-05-2005, 03:41
Guess you haven't played World of Warcraft then.

I have played WoW.
And I didnt like it, because I dont like MMORPGs...
I find them pointless, with no target, no life, no skills requirement, without any intellectual gain apart from non existant ego boosting (if youre such a pathetic loser that you need a MMORPG to boost your ego), time and money consuming...
But isnt it strange that WoW has 4.000.000 people paying and playing it?
How many people play RTW fo FREE online?
Blizzard has released 20 patches for Warcraft III, 20 patches for christ sake!!!
And a patch for Starcraft, will we see a patch for Shogun?

Hellenes

KSEG
12-05-2005, 08:04
So many patches=unstable game.
I don't understand why hellenes are so proud of Blizzard on releasing so many patches, that just only means the original game is either unbalanced or buggy.

Bartix
12-05-2005, 10:48
There was new patch for UT 2004 on Friday.~:)
This game is very moddable.
(Have not seen Phalanx yet.)~:)

Captain Fishpants
12-05-2005, 10:54
"Good news for those who like such things! The patch is now being tested, which means that it will be available within a reasonable amount of time. I must stress that "reasonable" in this context means when it's ready, and not within days. There will be further announcements shortly as to what has been fixed."

Hope that improves a few people's day.

PseRamesses
12-05-2005, 11:23
"Good news for those who like such things! The patch is now being tested, which means that it will be available within a reasonable amount of time. I must stress that "reasonable" in this context means when it's ready, and not within days. There will be further announcements shortly as to what has been fixed."

Hope that improves a few people's day.

Defenitely CF, thanks! Take your time and do it right. Better to release a final patch than hurry and things get overlooked.

TB666
12-05-2005, 12:24
But isnt it strange that WoW has 4.000.000 people paying and playing it?

Yes but they don't have alot of trust among the players.
Alot of people are even pissed off at Blizzard because they aren't fixing the server problems that the game suffers from.

hellenes
12-05-2005, 12:44
So many patches=unstable game.
I don't understand why hellenes are so proud of Blizzard on releasing so many patches, that just only means the original game is either unbalanced or buggy.

Well check the bugs thread...
If a game had many patches that indicates developers/publishers investment, AND focus on MP and balance.
Now would it harm anyone if RTW had 20 patches? ~;) ~;) ~;) ~;)


Yes but they don't have alot of trust among the players.
Alot of people are even pissed off at Blizzard because they aren't fixing the server problems that the game suffers from.

Well I also knwo many people that have lost their account passwords and had them replaced ASAP, what about Starcraft's patch does it show a pattern?

Hellenes

AussieGiant
12-05-2005, 13:03
The bottom line is, any game with a memory leak should be corrected and that should happen with or without a robust patch policy.

Given he is such a sensible chap, CF has indicated there will be a patch.

CA have always made sure that when they do patch, that it is as comprehensive a patch as possible, "at that time".

We must have patience fellow "grasshoppers".

Zatoichi
12-05-2005, 13:05
Thanks for the info CF! If you need any help with the testing, I'm available for a small fee...

Revenant69
12-05-2005, 13:46
Blizzard has released 20 patches for Warcraft III, 20 patches for christ sake!!!
And a patch for Starcraft, will we see a patch for Shogun?
Hellenes

Well, I figured that I must express my own opinion about Buzzard...err, I mean Blizzard. As an ex-Diablo player and a former Buzzard fan ('twas so long ago) I remember how many people online waited for the fabled 1.10 patch. It took them what a year, or probably even more to get it released, I can't quite recall. Instead of dealing with immediate issues on Bnet, Buzzard was taking it's time. I remember some messages that Buzzard doubled it's team working on 1.10 patch. ~:joker: Well, from being a 1-person team it became a 2-person team.~:joker: So, my point is, that while Buzzard's games are selling like crack, it doesn't mean that they have the best customer support. They don't. They are not the Idol that I worship.

Anyhow, that was just my rant about Buzzard. Now back to RTW.



"Good news for those who like such things! The patch is now being tested, which means that it will be available within a reasonable amount of time. I must stress that "reasonable" in this context means when it's ready, and not within days. There will be further announcements shortly as to what has been fixed."

Hope that improves a few people's day.


Weeeee...That's good news indeed. While I haven't noticed the memory leak per se, I've noticed that it takes awhile for RTW to shut down - probably clears all that used up memory.

Myrddraal
12-05-2005, 15:17
Good stuff :smile:

Barbarossa82
12-05-2005, 16:22
Great news! ~D
And I think I speak for the majority of TW fans (and I do consider myself a fan, albeit not an uncritical one) when I say - take your time, CA. Don't be pressurised into releasing it without thorough testing. RTW has the potential to be a truly classic game, and this is really the last chance to allow it to realise that full potential. Now that we know a patch is on the way, I'm sure we'd all be happier to wait until it's perfected, even if that takes months, than have it delivered immediately and immediately start whining about something new that's broken.

TB666
12-05-2005, 16:27
Great news! ~D
And I think I speak for the majority of TW fans (and I do consider myself a fan, albeit not an uncritical one) when I say - take your time, CA. Don't be pressurised into releasing it without thorough testing. RTW has the potential to be a truly classic game, and this is really the last chance to allow it to realise that full potential. Now that we know a patch is on the way, I'm sure we'd all be happier to wait until it's perfected, even if that takes months, than have it delivered immediately and immediately start whining about something new that's broken.
I agree.~:cheers:
Take your time and get it right.
We just wanted to know if there was gonna be a patch or not but now that we know there is then just take your time and fix the problems without causing new one~:cheers:

Nelson
12-05-2005, 16:30
The patch news is very welcome indeed.

So yes, my day has improved. :smile:

Tyrac
12-05-2005, 18:52
The only real "deadline" I would think would be to get the patch out before people open their RTW presents from whatever holiday gift thing they do. :) Or better yet somewhat before that so positive word of mouth can get around a bit so more people ask for, and or buy the expansion and game.

aw89
12-05-2005, 19:07
Great news, and as the others said, don't rush it!

KSEG
12-05-2005, 22:27
Well check the bugs thread...
If a game had many patches that indicates developers/publishers investment, AND focus on MP and balance.
Now would it harm anyone if RTW had 20 patches? ~;) ~;) ~;) ~;)


It does harm to have more then 20 patches.
It would be awfully confusing and I would probably have to restart my campaign every second patch that comes out, not to mention the chaos to the modding community.
Really, if they can't fix a game after relasing 20 patches that only shows their incompetance.



Well I also knwo many people that have lost their account passwords and had them replaced ASAP, what about Starcraft's patch does it show a pattern?

Hellenes

I don't understand this one.

TB666
12-05-2005, 22:43
Well I also knwo many people that have lost their account passwords and had them replaced ASAP,
Doesn't matter, customers trust for them is very low.
Hell today, the servers went down again !!!
The servers are down pretty much 3 times/week and they offer no compensation for this and seems to have no intention of fixing it since they said "this is not our problem".
Needless to say people are mad as hell and there is even talk of a boycott of the expansion until they fix this.

hellenes
12-05-2005, 22:50
It does harm to have more then 20 patches.
It would be awfully confusing and I would probably have to restart my campaign every second patch that comes out, not to mention the chaos to the modding community.
Really, if they can't fix a game after relasing 20 patches that only shows their incompetance.



I don't understand this one.

Starcraft a game 8+ years old recieves a patch, now will CA release a patch for Shogun?

Hellenes

Red Harvest
12-05-2005, 23:44
"Good news for those who like such things! The patch is now being tested, which means that it will be available within a reasonable amount of time. I must stress that "reasonable" in this context means when it's ready, and not within days. There will be further announcements shortly as to what has been fixed."

Hope that improves a few people's day.
It certainly helps!

Hope you can work out the issues and get RTW to what "feels" like a final patched state. There were some good things introduced in 1.3 and aspects certainly work better. It's the unintentional stuff in the migration that really hurts 1.3. I look forward to changing my sig line--I was hoping to with 1.3.

(Crossing my fingers hoping CA can figure out how to get ranged units and skirmishers to actually do their duty on a regular basis. It would really help the AI.)

Mouzafphaerre
12-06-2005, 00:23
"Good news for those who like such things! The patch is now being tested, which means that it will be available within a reasonable amount of time. I must stress that "reasonable" in this context means when it's ready, and not within days. There will be further announcements shortly as to what has been fixed."

Hope that improves a few people's day.
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:elephant:
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fallen851
12-06-2005, 00:30
You guys should stop attack Hellenes, he makes an excellent point. I used to play (and should go back...) WC3 and Half-Life quite a bit, both are excellent games, and what makes them even more great is that they are constantly updated and have gone through many many patches that would elminate many of the "structural" bugs (like the memory leak, load-save issues) as well as addressing the harder to fix balancing issues.

RTW is indeed a great game, but it is not nearly as great as it could be because it has so many issues.

Basically RTW's support is not up to par with the quality of the game, and it really hurts it, especially since we know other great games out there, that have such high quality support.

I say release a patch (1.3b?) as soon as possible that deals with "structural" bugs (like the memory leak, load-save issues) so we can play the game without a hassel, then release all the balancing junk in a patch later.

KSEG
12-06-2005, 04:53
Starcraft a game 8+ years old recieves a patch, now will CA release a patch for Shogun?

Hellenes

Is there any NEED for patch for Shogun?
Ever heard "don't try to fix it if its not broken"?

Kaldhore
12-06-2005, 05:41
Its great news about the patch.

Imho nobody should be comparing Blizzard to CA as an example to look up to. Ive had several bad experiences with them. Im no talking about Quality of game, yes they have good devs but their Good *support* as you put it is seriously lacking in many areas. Areas that I think CA could have a pat on the back for.

Ive just cancelled my WoW account because of these *issues* with Blizzard. The Game was fine (and please dont think your a class above mmorpg gamers) but Blizzards *people* policies were not.

Another Game I play - well series of games are the X:BTF X2: the Threat and recently the extremely buggy and poorly released X3: The reunion by Egosoft, published by Deepsilver....and boy is that game buggy. So buggy that they had a patch out 2 days after shipping and another 2 weeks later. Now its 6 weeks later and they are nearly finished on another patch.
My point is that although Im really frustrated at small companies releasing buggy games (due to publisher pressure), and I personally find it insulting to consumers that we let them do this - I really enjoy the games and dont want to see them dropped. (Egosoft is reknown for supporting games for years after though and then after fixing the game - they add HUGE amounts of new content free - they did this with X2 2 years after publication)

So all this bickering about support and who supports who the best is irrelevant because they are too many variables and complications and points of view to consider.

Ludens
12-06-2005, 13:36
"Good news for those who like such things! The patch is now being tested, which means that it will be available within a reasonable amount of time. I must stress that "reasonable" in this context means when it's ready, and not within days. There will be further announcements shortly as to what has been fixed."

Hope that improves a few people's day.
Indeed it does. Thank you very much :yes: .

Is this patch for BI only or are you also patching vanilla R:TW?

aw89
12-06-2005, 14:18
probably both (I hope)

TB666
12-06-2005, 17:22
I think both as well.
The pilum bug is in both so it is probably a universal problem.

starkhorn
12-06-2005, 17:25
Excellent CF, looking forward to it.

Mouzafphaerre
12-06-2005, 17:48
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Will someone with the necessary powers rate this thread CA please?
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Rilder
12-06-2005, 19:34
"Good news for those who like such things! The patch is now being tested, which means that it will be available within a reasonable amount of time. I must stress that "reasonable" in this context means when it's ready, and not within days. There will be further announcements shortly as to what has been fixed."

Hope that improves a few people's day.

Hmmm Great news for sure! even tho i only knoticed 2 major bugs... the Men getting stuck in tower and not allowing more up bug (AI) and the memory leak, three if you count the fact the fact that my assassain killed a faction heir with a 2 percent chance but that was just luck ~D

Geoffrey S
12-08-2005, 17:47
"Good news for those who like such things! The patch is now being tested, which means that it will be available within a reasonable amount of time. I must stress that "reasonable" in this context means when it's ready, and not within days. There will be further announcements shortly as to what has been fixed."

Hope that improves a few people's day.
It sure does! ~:cheers:

May I enquire as to who tests patches? Presumably some professional testers, but are people from the community involved, people who play the game on a regular basis and know what to look out for? If there's any one thing which would reduce future problems, involving members of the community in the testing of patches would be it.

Herakleitos
12-08-2005, 19:00
three if you count the fact the fact that my assassain killed a faction heir with a 2 percent chance but that was just luck ~D

I guess you could use a patch yourself if you even try stuff at those odds! ~;) Do you ever play poker? And where? ~D ~:cheers:

Hurin_Rules
12-08-2005, 20:06
Well, the patch announcement has greatly improved my impression of CA. I thought RTW was inordinately buggy and BI still too rough, but at least they are aware of this and are conscientious enough to address the problems even though its coming directly out of their pockets. That is very encouraging.

Way to go CA!

~:cheers:

Mount Suribachi
12-08-2005, 20:32
I get the distinct impression that any decisions regarding patches are the domain of the publisher, not the developer.

But its still good to see CA and/or SEGA have decided to do a patch.

They can take as long as they like as far as I'm concerned. The more comprehensive and bug-free the better.

Hurin_Rules
12-08-2005, 20:41
Edit: oops, my bad. Never mind.

asilv
12-08-2005, 21:16
Edited by: The Shogun at: 12/10/04 5:34 pm
I think that post is talking about 1.2 patch. ~:)

aw89
12-08-2005, 21:24
This makes me a sad panda ~:(

Hurin_Rules
12-08-2005, 22:24
I think that post is talking about 1.2 patch. ~:)

Oops, sorry Silvouz, I think you're right-- I've edited my post above correspondingly.

Thanks for the heads up.

C-F
12-09-2005, 02:22
"....."

Hope that improves a few people's day.

Very much so ~:cheers: Thanks for the update :bow:

While you are in the 'giving' mode,...:hide:

Any chance to to add some *.pdf /.jpg tech trees of the factions - my copy/paste buttons are kind of wearing out...?!? ~:rolleyes: ~;)

Rilder
12-09-2005, 07:06
I guess you could use a patch yourself if you even try stuff at those odds! ~;) Do you ever play poker? And where? ~D ~:cheers:


lol i'm only 15 and i dont know how to play poker,

Captain Fishpants
12-09-2005, 15:30
Some more information for you - http://www.totalwar.com/community/romereadme.htm - in this case what the patch will cover.

Hope that's useful. ~:)

Mouzafphaerre
12-09-2005, 17:33
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Thanks for getting rid of the memory leak among others. ~:)
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gardibolt
12-09-2005, 17:45
What are "shadow factions"? The Roman Rebels? The Romano-British?

Geoffrey S
12-09-2005, 18:05
Good thing that memory leak's out of here! ~:cheers:

Zatoichi
12-09-2005, 18:59
Excellent stuff there CF! Looks like the vast majority of our grumbles are being addressed! I'm interested to see what the 'large number of changes to the balance of the game in response to the extended play that has been done by forum users' will entail - I hope you haven't listened to ALL the ideas here!

Looking forward to downloading it whenever it's finished!

Mouzafphaerre
12-10-2005, 12:28
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Dear Captain Fishpants,

Has the very important "reinforcements" bug discussed in this thread been addressed too?

:bow:
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AntiochusIII
12-11-2005, 00:02
Sticky this thread, should we?

Excellent news indeed. :san_wink: Thanks, CA!

aw89
12-11-2005, 12:39
It would be better if the mods made a new sticky thread about it, named "current patch status" or somesuch.