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Does this offer any benefit other than increased loyalty? Could you marry a princess to a high star/acumen general and get his high command DNA into your royal bloodline?
Husbands do not become members of the royal line, something that I wished they would do. Seems like when you marry a princess to one of your own gens all that happens is that he gets a loyalty bump.
Use the princesses as spies for a few years befoe you marry them off.
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Yoyoma1910
12-05-2005, 06:51
Well, I've never personally experienced this, but while sitting in a few dark corners I've overheard that if you're ruler dies with no heirs, and you've married off to a general, that general may lead the faithful section of the civil war and take over as a new blood line.
I'm not sure if that really makes sense or is accurate...
but I've heard things...
Weebeast
12-05-2005, 07:45
Well, I've never personally experienced this, but while sitting in a few dark corners I've overheard that if you're ruler dies with no heirs, and you've married off to a general, that general may lead the faithful section of the civil war and take over as a new blood line.
I'm not sure if that really makes sense or is accurate...
but I've heard things...
Can there be a civil war if there's no king? Who will the "rebel" fight? I'm interested to hear more. If that's true then it's a good news. Last time my russian king died with no heirs and the game was over. I'm sure his daughters were married. ~:handball:
Yoyoma1910
12-05-2005, 07:55
I think it has to do with instareimergergence, a rare phenominon in which a section of your society holds onto your factional heritage after the end of your families reign. And I believe I have heard that marrying off you daughters to your own generals assists in this occurence.
Mind you these are all rumors as far as I know, and from possibly shady, back room sources whose names I cannot reveal (mainly because I can't remember who I heard that from).
My problem is that I tend to hit unfreeze when a previously steril ruler hits around 40, so I just don't know for sure... I'll have to stop cheating I guess, so I can find out more.
Knight Templar
12-05-2005, 08:20
Well, I've never personally experienced this, but while sitting in a few dark corners I've overheard that if you're ruler dies with no heirs, and you've married off to a general, that general may lead the faithful section of the civil war and take over as a new blood line.
I'm not sure if that really makes sense or is accurate...
but I've heard things...
This has been discused many times before, can the general married to a daughter of a royal family later become a king.
I made an experiment about two months ago (MTW:VI) to check this. I started to play as Polish in early period. I made sure all my princes to die in battles but I married 2 of my princesses to generals. So, when my king died without princes, my faction disappeared without civil war or generals succeeding the thorne.
back room sourcesEveryone knows that the Backroom people don't actually play the games, find better sources! ~;)
That's a pity Knight Templar, It's never come to pass that I needed it, but I always marry my daughters to half decent generals in case the royal line takes a dive and a King dies heirless.
And to think of all those times I recklessly charged my King and only heir into battle knowing there was a son in law back home ready to keep the kingdom going!
The Darkhorn
12-05-2005, 15:45
As some of you mentioned, my game just ends when the king dies with no heirs. Is there really a Civil War sometimes? I'm too chicken to experiment I guess. It only has to happen to you once. I had a great GA French game going once and my king died promptly at 56 (still haven't fixed that) with a 14 year old son. Now, I simply hit .unfreeze. when he gets 39 and has no heir. I do proudly say it's the only cheat I ever use. In reality, often some distant cousin or something would get the thrown (um...only from horseback....should be throne). Sometimes there was a ruling family change, but sometimes there wasn't. Your brother's son would become king or something...or even your grandson.
I still think it would be neat that if you died off you could just watch and hope you re-emerge. It would be awesome trying to win back your former kingdom and start over!
Yeah, civil wars happen, hell, I've even tried engineering them on occasion to get a particular hero on the throne.
Basically they'll happen if you have a number uf disloyal generals and get hit with several happiness negatives in succession, such as a Crusade being defeated, losing several battles in a short time, a King dieing who had a lot of happiness modifiers like steward etc and being succeeded by a less popular heir etc etc.
Hrrm, there's a guide around on them somewhere, maybe in Frogbeasteggs MTW guide?
Knight Templar
12-05-2005, 20:54
Yeah, civil wars happen, hell, I've even tried engineering them on occasion to get a particular hero on the throne.
How can a general succee a throne? (I didn't know about it, it seems very interesting).
When civil war occurs, you have loyalist faction and rebel faction, and you have to choose one above the another. What has to happen if you want your general to get on the throne ~:confused:
Eternal Champion
12-05-2005, 22:02
I guess he'd have to be a disloyal general?
antisocialmunky
12-05-2005, 22:21
Death related civil wars happen. Usually it involve's the king's uncles. You can get civil wars if you get a really disloyal heir that has a big army of units. If your king gets unpopular enough, you will get civil war. When you get around 60% conquest, you may trigger a civil war. If you marry a general to a princess, then you may get a civil war on the death of a king or by sheer crappy kingship.
The Darkhorn
12-05-2005, 23:20
Yeah, civil wars happen, hell, I've even tried engineering them on occasion to get a particular hero on the throne.
Basically they'll happen if you have a number uf disloyal generals and get hit with several happiness negatives in succession, such as a Crusade being defeated, losing several battles in a short time, a King dieing who had a lot of happiness modifiers like steward etc and being succeeded by a less popular heir etc etc.
Hrrm, there's a guide around on them somewhere, maybe in Frogbeasteggs MTW guide?
Ooops. Actually what I meant was Civil War when you die with no heir. IIRC, I've heard that said before but I've never seen it. My game just ends. Oh, I'm quite familiar with the "regular" Civil War. It's fun to try to win back your empire!
Actually, oops to me, what you wrote was quite clear, I just skipped the first sentence...~:joker:
How can a general succee a throne? (I didn't know about it, it seems very interesting).
When civil war occurs, you have loyalist faction and rebel faction, and you have to choose one above the another. What has to happen if you want your general to get on the throne?
All the civil wars I've personally experienced have been when the king died without a direct heir, leaving his brothers to fight over the throne. One of my more memorable ones was when my grossly incompetent Danish king suffered an "accident" (he was so crappy, I managed to kill him with a 0-star assassin). His oldest surviving brother (who had something like 7 stars and 8 dread) battled his 2 younger brothers for control of all Europe north of the Alps and west of the Danube--my empire was pretty big when the king died. I sided with the 2 younger brothers, and eventually defeated and killed my dear older brother in the mountains of Austria. That was the first time I realized how fun it could be to deliberately engineer a civil war for your own faction. ~D
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