A Harry Potter Theory [Archive]

The Stranger

12-06-2005, 15:33

i jiust read the dutch version after reading the original one

and i think i know who RAB or RAZ (dutch) is

its

the brother of Sirius black
and his name starts with an R and ends with a B
he call him the Dark Lord what indincates to a deatheater
also he says he would be dead when this would be discobered
and R Black was murdered...maybe for destroying the horcruxes

ps the Z is Zwarts in dutch, thats why i thought of him, wich name would have a Z in dutch and B in english the only logic would be a member of the black family

more on this later

Gregoshi

12-06-2005, 15:59

You may be right TS. I read an interview with Rowlings conducted by the admins of two major HP fan sites and they too made the same suggestion regarding the identity of RAB. Rowlings, of course, was as evasive as ever. The only time she seems to step in and comment in a definitive way is when she hears some speculation that is too far off base.

Drisos

12-06-2005, 16:12

is this about book 6? I seen movies 1, 2 and 3, and read books 3 and 5 but 6 I know nothing about (yet) ..~:mecry:

Fragony

12-06-2005, 16:33

That is peanuts, now who killed Kennedy?

Prodigal

12-06-2005, 16:56

You may be right TS. Rowlings, of course, was as evasive as ever.
Maybe due to the fact that she (a) has no idea (b) plans on stretching out the series until hell freezes over.

Yours,
A Tolkien Fan

Fragony

12-06-2005, 17:46

Yours,
A Tolkien Fan

Now that I am sort of an adult, I like Harry Potter a whole lot more now then I ever liked Tolkien as a kid. You have to admit that Harry Potter is great, it is all so funny, smart and cute, irresistable stuff. Rowling does a better job of creating an alternate universe then Tolkien ever did if you ask me, because it is so similar to our own, with all the red tape and everyday's trouble of the small man, I love it ~:cheers:

BDC

12-06-2005, 18:06

My ears started bleeding after reading the last book. It was that bad.

After reading some George Martin stuff it was like going from (using education as an example here) something you'd get top marks at degree for to something a 14 year old would do for middling marks. It was dire. A whole book waiting for something to happen. Then the super-bad-evil-dangerous people are beaten off by some children. Ooooooh terrifying!

Fragony

12-06-2005, 18:11

Then the super-bad-evil-dangerous people are beaten off by some children. Ooooooh terrifying!

It gets to me every time as well, it always keeps you second guessing huh ~;)

The Stranger

12-06-2005, 18:27

i think 4 was the best...and my THEORY is about book 6...im 90% sure that im right, cuz i expec this after she let sirius die and after i red who the halfblood prince was

and his name is (RAB)

Regulus (A) Black

English assassin

12-06-2005, 18:44

Come on, three formulaic but ok in a mediocre sort of way childrens books, and then three "hooray I am now so rich I have escaped all editorial control" literary equivalents of constipation.

I mean, one of them is about CIVIL SERVANTS fer chrissake. How bleedin' magical is that? "Harry Potter and the Sarcastic Memorandum".

I especially hate Harry Potter because for the six months before the last one was published ("Harry Potter and the Invisible Plot" I think it was) I couldn't buy a newspaper in WH Smiths without the checkout staff asking if I wanted to pre-order Harry Potter. EVERY DAY.

Mouzafphaerre

12-06-2005, 18:57

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Didn't read any of them, didn't watch any of them... Won't. It's a subject of marketing, not literature or anything. :coffeenews:
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Fragony

12-06-2005, 19:03

Come on, three formulaic but ok in a mediocre sort of way childrens books, and then three "hooray I am now so rich I have escaped all editorial control" literary equivalents of constipation.

The 4th book was awesome! He falls in love for crying out loud! You can't say she isn't taking risks, our hero Harry is actually growing up, and Hermonia is developing titties in the last movie. You may not like it, but millions of kids all over the world love it, and I am really just a big kid so bring them on. I love the leightweight humour, the parralel universe thing with all the common problems like bureaucracy and growing up is obviously directed at adults, it is loaded with innuendo and irony. For the kids of today Rowling is what Roald Dahl was for me, creepy, witty and deliciously sadistic fun, he was also formulaic but who cares!

Go Harry!!!

Didn't read any of them, didn't watch any of them... Won't. It's a subject of marketing, not literature or anything.

Your loss, no it is not literature, but it is fun! You are really missing out here, go read one. Now. It will bring a smile on your face, thrust me.

Gregoshi

12-06-2005, 19:42

I resisted Harry Potter through the first three books just because it was the "in" thing and Harry was everywhere you looked. Besides, it was a kids book, right? I started changing my thinking when I realized how many of my friends aged 20s-50s had read Harry and love the books, so I decided to give Harry a shot. Fragony described HP best as pure and simple "fun".

Prodigal, the next book is the last. The last chapter of the last book has been written for quite a while now, so there is an end. BTW, I'm a 46 year old Tolkien-is-#1 type person.

Rodion Romanovich

12-06-2005, 21:25

I read books 1-4 in a row as English practise, and realised they were way better than I had expected. But because no.5 wasn't out in a long time I kinda stopped following the series. Is book 5 and 6 any good, or has 6 come out yet? I'm kinda clueless about the series atm... I'll probably not read the last books until the series has been completed, I find it extremely annoying to have to wait a long time for the ending of a story when I've started it.

@Fragony: well, they're like apples and oranges and not exactly easy to compare. I personally like both for what they are. Harry Potter is an alternate universe comprehensible for those who live today, Tolkien's middle earth is according to himself an attempt to create a faked religious-mythological early Medieval world that he thought the British lacked. Harry Potter has little message in it and is in no way art but has a very nice and cosy atmosphere, while Tolkien's trilogy is a masterful artwork with deep messages, and above all a dark, epic atmosphere which I've not seen matched by any other artist in any field of art.

Big King Sanctaphrax

12-06-2005, 22:05

"hooray I am now so rich I have escaped all editorial control"

Otherwise known as Steven King Syndrome.

Dead on analysis EA.

Reverend Joe

12-06-2005, 22:28

Frank Herbert was still the best. The only reason the movie was bad was because it was directed by cinema's Syd Barrett.

Actually, that's not a fair assumption- Syd did good music.

Mouzafphaerre

12-06-2005, 23:38

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Your loss, no it is not literature, but it is fun! You are really missing out here, go read one. Now. It will bring a smile on your face, thrust me.
I may. Just because you recommend. ~;)
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miho

12-07-2005, 09:12

Regulus (A) Black

How did you get the idea of Regulus (A) Black? Who is he anyway? I've read all 6 books but I don't remember him.

Beirut

12-07-2005, 11:47

It will bring a smile on your face, thrust me.

Thrust me? ~:eek:

You knave. You saucy, saucy knave!

Drisos

12-07-2005, 13:24

Saturday I got HP5... and finished reading sunday. monday I started HP3, and finished a few mins ago. Now I'm onto 4...

I like LOTR as well, but not as much. ~;p

Prodigal

12-07-2005, 14:58

@Fragony
Yeah fair enough, but cute's a turn off for me.

@Gregoshi
She's really finished the series! Now that I didn't know. I've read a few of them, & I'll admit they're ok as an easy read but they don't really push my buttons.

PS - Shame on you Drisos!

Geoffrey S

12-07-2005, 16:39

Come on, three formulaic but ok in a mediocre sort of way childrens books, and then three "hooray I am now so rich I have escaped all editorial control" literary equivalents of constipation.
Sums it up nicely. Wasting so many pages on such nonsense is by no means good writing; the first few books were acceptable, but the later ones are entirely too long for their own good, without actually having any content.

Try some Philip Pullman books, I'd say.

doc_bean

12-07-2005, 17:05

I read the first 5 boks, the first three were okay, very reminiscent of what Horowitz had done before and better in Grieselstate. The fourth was too long and didn't really have much plot. I read the fifth in one night, after my last exam , I don't think I remember anything about it ~:)

edyzmedieval

12-07-2005, 17:20

Interesting theory.

I read all 6 books, and I am waiting for the last one. I just read them for fun. As for serious literature, I turn to Tom Clancy or Agatha Christie or Clive Cussler.

1. Clive Cussler
2. Tom Clancy
3. Agatha Christie

HP is just for fun. And HP will die in the 7th novel.

Geoffrey S

12-07-2005, 17:41

Um. Tom Clancy serious literature? ~:rolleyes:

Reverend Joe

12-07-2005, 17:56

As for serious literature, I turn to Tom Clancy

:inquisitive:

Big King Sanctaphrax

12-07-2005, 18:27

Isn't that rather like saying 'I turn to McDonalds for serious food'?

Geoffrey S

12-07-2005, 18:35

Don't be silly. Everyone knows only Burger King serves serious food.

The Stranger

12-08-2005, 17:21

whhahahahah beirut youre the man...SAUCY KNAVE whaahhahahahahaha

MIHO
look here for my answer

regulus is the brother of sirius black...the socalled killer...i was wondering who it whas after reading the english book...when i got the dutch version i didnt mind reading anything else but how RAB whas pronounced in dutch (im fairly good at english but as names cant be translated they were my greatest stumbling block, half the time i didnt knew who she was refering to)
RAB was RAZ in dutch so i started thinking of Zwarts (black in english) was my first guess...and there was a Regulus so the would prolly be his second name since they where nobility it wasnt strange...

:bow:

Craterus

12-08-2005, 17:42

GAH! I worked this out ages ago...

Dutch_guy

12-08-2005, 17:48

well you certainly not the only one Craterus.

Though I myself think it would be a little to easy...everyone would know this when the next book is due to come out.

So I'm putting my money on a never before seen / read about character ~;)

:balloon2:

Fragony

12-09-2005, 10:50

Thrust me? ~:eek:

You knave. You saucy, saucy knave!

ooooooooooops ~D

That is not nice at all Beirut, to give our Sapihi false hope.

Mouzafphaerre

12-09-2005, 15:24

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Sapihi?
:thinking2:
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The Stranger

12-09-2005, 22:54

GAH! I worked this out ages ago...

oh there's cocky craterus...maybe you worked that out earlier cuz you had the book earlier...DUHH ...btw i need to talk to you on msn...oh and my avatar rules yours ~:cheers:

AntiochusIII

12-10-2005, 05:50

SapihiAre you talking about the light Turkish horsemen in MTW?

By the way, what does the name of the horsemen means in Turkish, Mouzafphaerre?

The Stranger, your theory sucks. ~;p Rowling probably worked that out a long time ago, and decided she won't use them just to keep the oh-so-knowing fans at bay.

Harry Potter IS fun. Com'on guys, have a little fun! The first three books were children's fun, the fourth being a little more adventurous, the fifth one...IMO sucks. It's too dark for a bright background, if you understand--so much trouble and so little joy to make Harry Potter as charming as it was. The sixth one is a little better, though the mystic seems to be falling off for me, for some reason.

Fragony

12-11-2005, 14:42

Sapihi were Turkish knights, MTW got them a bit wrong. Quite a compliment, and I am not even thanked for making it!

No EU for you young man!

Mouzafphaerre

12-11-2005, 14:47

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:whip: Spell correctly wise guy! It's Sipâhi. :charge:

It's a Persian word, "man of 'sipah'", where sipah means...I couldn't find out for certain but probably horse.

Two distinct, unrelated type of cavalry were both named Sipâhî:

"Timarlû Sipâhi" were the light cavalry units, trained and commanded by people under whose posessions fiefs were given. That was a feudal system but very unlike that in Europe. These landlords were under absolute control of beuoracratic administration, explicitly responsible to the provincial governers (Beylerbeyi). They had to show up in person with a certain amount of cavalry under their posession, depending on the size and revenue of the land they were given. The fief would be seized back should the Sipâhî fail to fulfil his responsibilities and it wasn't automatically inherited by his descendants.

"Kapukulu Sipâhîsi" was the name given to the six heavy cavalry divisions within the janissary order. They were, like the rest of the janissaries, part of the imperial guard and theoretically under direct command and posession of the emperor, hence no feudal character at all.
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Fragony

12-11-2005, 15:07

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:whip: Spell correctly wise guy! It's Sipâhi. :charge:
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Hey my bad spelling started this in the first place. Once I get going I just can't stup :san_wink:

Mouzafphaerre

12-11-2005, 15:19

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Use the spell chequer then. ~D
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The Stranger

12-11-2005, 19:35

The Sipahi of port...think AoE3 mispelled it too...it says Spahi

Mongoose

12-11-2005, 19:47

I look forword to seeing harry potter die in the last movie. I hope he does, at any rate.

If it wasn't so damn hyped up, then i would think that it's OK, as a book for younger readers. But as it is, i feel like vomiting every time some one brings it up....:san_angry:

The Stranger

12-11-2005, 19:55

whahahahha the books arent great and i think it has had its best time...4 was the top and it went down after...the movies sucked, 3 was the worst 4 the best
for me it isnt a hype...i already before it became widely know...i just want to see the end and thats it

Evil_Maniac From Mars

12-11-2005, 20:12

I hope Harry dies at the end.

Voldemort is my hero. :san_grin:

The Stranger

12-13-2005, 12:49

[QUOTE=AntiochusIII]

The Stranger, your theory sucks. ~;p Rowling probably worked that out a long time ago, and decided she won't use them just to keep the oh-so-knowing fans at bay.
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no it doesnt sucks, you dont know how she writes...before she wrote even the first book she had almost all the characters figured out...so Regulus had no other part in the books so she had no reason to name him...but she did...cuz he will come back in 7...thats smart...you migtht not like the book but you have to admit that its waterproof...almost or no loose ends...:san_cool: