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Byzantine Prince
12-09-2005, 03:00
CNN - Link (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/08/iran.israel.reut/index.html)
Another crazy rant by Ahmadinejad. But I can't help but notice that Israel seems to be everywhere in European sports leagues and other organizations of mainland Europe.
Devastatin Dave
12-09-2005, 03:05
Boy, this is a warm, cuddly guy isn't he. ~;)
Strike For The South
12-09-2005, 03:21
Wow I want to get elected president
Leet Eriksson
12-09-2005, 03:45
CNN - Link (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/08/iran.israel.reut/index.html)
Another crazy rant by Ahmadinejad. But I can't help but notice that Israel seems to be everywhere in European sports leagues and other organizations of mainland Europe.
Well they got boycotted in the asian league becuase of the palestinian case. Rather unfortunate, becuase they don't have a chance to get to the world cup via europe, their team is pretty good really, they could have a good chance in the asian league, but its all about politics these days...
Adrian II
12-09-2005, 04:36
Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe.
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Alexander the Pretty Good
12-09-2005, 04:54
Somewhat related: why let Turkey into the EU but not Israel?
(Discount geography for this discussion - though I think most of Turkey is outside of "Europe" to begin with).
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English assassin
12-09-2005, 10:36
More related: I have belatedly to admit that the Iranians have got themselves a real problem with this guy. He seems to be, and I use the term after due consideration, as mad as a sack of rats.
All previous posts in favour of Iranian development of nuclear power are hereby revoked until he is removed from power, and, what's more, the Iranian system is reformed so that someone like him cannot be elected in future.
I do still maintain that the average Iranian in the street is no threat tio anyone though.
Somewhat related: why let Turkey into the EU but not Israel?
(Discount geography for this discussion - though I think most of Turkey is outside of "Europe" to begin with).
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Yeh lets have a dig at a muslim country!
Ja'chyra
12-09-2005, 11:24
Yeh lets have a dig at a muslim country!
What dig????
Was that not a dig at Turkey being considered to join the EU? Seemed so to me, anyway based on previous posts by certain members no doubt it would come. I really don't see any other reason for it to be brought up.
By the way, as to the thread, he is clearly a disturbing individual but remember that when we have all the Americans on this board baying for his blood and demonising him, think what put him in power. You only have yourselves to blame.
doc_bean
12-09-2005, 12:59
More related: I have belatedly to admit that the Iranians have got themselves a real problem with this guy. He seems to be, and I use the term after due consideration, as mad as a sack of rats.
I don't know, it often is a valid tactic to make the 'enemy' think you're completely insane. :charge:
bmolsson
12-09-2005, 14:09
Somewhat related: why let Turkey into the EU but not Israel?
(Discount geography for this discussion - though I think most of Turkey is outside of "Europe" to begin with).
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Israel would have trouble to keep their "jew only get citizenship immediately" policy..... ~;)
bmolsson
12-09-2005, 14:29
Idiots like this guy doesn't make specially easy to be a muslim, that is for sure..... :(
Templar Knight
12-09-2005, 16:13
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now thats funny ~D
Was that not a dig at Turkey being considered to join the EU? Seemed so to me, anyway based on previous posts by certain members no doubt it would come. I really don't see any other reason for it to be brought up.
By the way, as to the thread, he is clearly a disturbing individual but remember that when we have all the Americans on this board baying for his blood and demonising him, think what put him in power. You only have yourselves to blame.
Really? I was under the impression all the reformers were barred from standing and the only real candidate left was this guy.
Therefore it would seem to be the result of the theocracy in charge of Iran, rather than the opinions of the average American.
Crazed Rabbit
12-09-2005, 16:53
By the way, as to the thread, he is clearly a disturbing individual but remember that when we have all the Americans on this board baying for his blood and demonising him, think what put him in power. You only have yourselves to blame.
The Ayatollahs put him into power. The 'election' and their 'democracy' is a farce, a charade for the real power in Iran, the Ayatollahs.
He's not acting crazy to ward off attackers; Israel will not stand for Iran getting nukes, no matter how crazy their 'leader' is.
*wonders when the Israeli strike will come*
Crazed Rabbit
The_Emperor
12-09-2005, 17:07
from what can be seen though this guy is a problem for some in power inside Iran itself. There is talk about him losing his support from the leadership in Iran over his comments...
regardless it will be interesting to watch.
Templar Knight
12-09-2005, 18:11
Progress folks, progress!
First he wanted Israel wiped off the map, now he simply wants it mooved ~:cheers:
King Henry V
12-09-2005, 18:56
How can you move a country? The builders in Iran must be either genii or completely bonkers.~;)
Actually, since Abraham came from the lands of Babylon, why not move Israel to Iraq? Why have acres of desert, when you can have loads of oil and a relatively lush country (around the Tigres and Euphrates).
Geoffrey S
12-09-2005, 19:02
All previous posts in favour of Iranian development of nuclear power are hereby revoked until he is removed from power, and, what's more, the Iranian system is reformed so that someone like him cannot be elected in future.
Unfortunately, currently the Iranian election system seems set up so that precisely someone like him would be elected.
Alexander the Pretty Good
12-09-2005, 20:43
JAG - didn't mean to take shots at Turkey. I was really trying to see what the opinions of Backroomers towards letting Israel into the EU. Perhaps I should have phrased it better:
If it applied, would you be in favor of admitting Israel into the EU?
I brought up Turkey because it is applying to get into the EU even though it is not a traditionally European country. Israel would be in a similar situation, not being considered a traditionally European country.
Your comment "Was that not a dig at Turkey being considered to join the EU? Seemed so to me, anyway based on previous posts by certain members no doubt it would come. I really don't see any other reason for it to be brought up." I brought it up since I though it would promote discussion. There isn't too much to say about that Ahmadinejad character other than he's a crazy and not very safe - which I think we can all agree on. There may be something to talk about regarding moving Israel to Europe - the closest thing to it being membership in the EU.
It is apparent that you do not want discussion, merely an opportunity to cast "certain members" as being anti-Muslim. I for one am not anti-Islam, even though I am an American conservative - the pinnacle of Great Satanism.
Furthermore, I have no qualms with Turkey joining the EU - mainly since it is not my business. If Turkey wants to surrender some of its sovereignty (and gain some of your's, JAG) then I really can't stop them.
By the way, as to the thread, he is clearly a disturbing individual but remember that when we have all the Americans on this board baying for his blood and demonising him, think what put him in power. You only have yourselves to blame.
You should say "He is clearly a disturbing individual." (Period) The fact that he owes his status partly from the United State's sponsorship of the Ayatollah's revolution does not negate Ahmadinejad's disturbing qualities.
And as for us evil Americans, we blame Carter. I didn't put the Ayatollahs in power. ~;p
Marcellus
12-09-2005, 20:44
Armedinejad isn't exactly doing Iran any favours. I imagine that countries that previously supported or were neutral in Iran's atempt to get nuclear power are reconsidering their position right now.
Geoffrey S
12-09-2005, 20:51
Your comment "Was that not a dig at Turkey being considered to join the EU? Seemed so to me, anyway based on previous posts by certain members no doubt it would come. I really don't see any other reason for it to be brought up." I brought it up since I though it would promote discussion. There isn't too much to say about that Ahmadinejad character other than he's a crazy and not very safe - which I think we can all agree on. There may be something to talk about regarding moving Israel to Europe - the closest thing to it being membership in the EU.
Israel in Europe? Not the slightest bit of chance, considering the majority of the EU attitude to Israel; Israel is probably one of the few states disliked more by the average person in Europe than the US. Sad but true.
Aurelian
12-09-2005, 20:54
Moving Israel to Europe is just crazy talk.
The obvious place to move Israel is Utah.
Here's why:
a) Utah is full of desert.
b) Utah, just like Israel, has a salt lake. At 1700 square miles, the Great Salt Lake is bigger than the Dead Sea at 394 square miles. Plus, the Great Salt Lake isn't disappearing.
c) Utah is full of Mormons who think they're a lost tribe of Israel. They also think that they're responsible for the "literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent." LINK (http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/bible/people/ephraim_eom.htm)
So, you know that the Mormons won't mind it if the entire population of Israel moves there. ~;)
d) There's a lot more room in Utah (84,000 square miles to Israel's 10,840). Israel's population is six million. Utah's is only two and a half million. Plenty of room. A kibbutz for everyone!
e) The US can save the $3 billion a year in foreign aid it currently gives to Israel.
f) There are only 25,000 Muslims in Utah. Probably far fewer Palestinians. 'Nuff said.
Tribesman
12-09-2005, 21:20
Oh well , on a plus side the real conservative nutters in Iran who thought that a dedicated nutcase in power would be a bonus are having second thought and are trying to distance themselves from his rants .
Progress folks, progress!
Well said TK~:cheers:
*wonders when the Israeli strike will come*
Well Rabbit ,that would depends on how long your government is willing to pay them not to and how long they are willing to do your governments bidding . If the Iraqi oil flow continues to decline at its present rate and the murrage costs get too high in relation to the returns then your government may decide that it doesn't really matter if the Persian Gulf is closed to all shipping .
Then again they will have to pay for full mobilisation on the Northern front to deal with Irans Proxy Army and the Western and Southern fronts to cope with the same .
Oh how the taxpayer suffers .:shrug:
A.Saturnus
12-09-2005, 21:32
The Ayatollahs put him into power. The 'election' and their 'democracy' is a farce, a charade for the real power in Iran, the Ayatollahs.
The election in Iran may be bogus - and it is bogus - but unfortunately he still has great sympathies in the population.
I don't know, it often is a valid tactic to make the 'enemy' think you're completely insane.
It´s a valid tactic if you already are a nuclear power.
Crazed Rabbit
12-09-2005, 22:00
Well Rabbit ,that would depends on how long your government is willing to pay them not to and how long they are willing to do your governments bidding . If the Iraqi oil flow continues to decline at its present rate and the murrage costs get too high in relation to the returns then your government may decide that it doesn't really matter if the Persian Gulf is closed to all shipping .
Then again they will have to pay for full mobilisation on the Northern front to deal with Irans Proxy Army and the Western and Southern fronts to cope with the same .
Oh how the taxpayer suffers .
You act as though we'd stop paying them if they attacked Iran.
The election in Iran may be bogus - and it is bogus - but unfortunately he still has great sympathies in the population.
Perhaps, but there is reform movement. He might have most of the support, but there does appear to be an undercurrent of resentment.
It´s a valid tactic if you already are a nuclear power.
Very true. He seems to forget that the country he's threatening with annihilation has nuclear weapons and isn't afraid to act unilaterally.
Crazed Rabbit
If it applied, would you be in favor of admitting Israel into the EU?
No. Their human rights record is not good enough to be allowed to join the EU, Turkey's is even better. We do not allow murderous states who disregard life in a country based on religious belief to join the EU. Nor do we allow states who set up huge new borders cutting off other states land or those who support other people doing the same in their countries name, to be allowed to join the EU. You have to at least appear and put lip service to the charter of human rights.
even though I am an American conservative - the pinnacle of Great Satanism.
You got that right.
Furthermore, I have no qualms with Turkey joining the EU - mainly since it is not my business. If Turkey wants to surrender some of its sovereignty (and gain some of your's, JAG) then I really can't stop them.
I know, I know.
Tribesman
12-09-2005, 23:02
You act as though we'd stop paying them if they attacked Iran.
No Rabbit , you would have to be paying them even more , and your little adventure in the Gulf would either have to be abandoned or cost you a hell of a lot more , as it woulkd be very hard to keep a lid on the Iranian backed government that you have tried so hard to install in Iraq~D ~D ~D
Though on the bright side you may save some money by stopping payments to other countries who would no longer be doing what you are paying them for .
But either way ....Oh how the taxpayer suffers .
Adrian II
12-09-2005, 23:07
But either way ....Oh how the taxpayer suffers .Yes. Whenever I hear the word democracy I reach for my wallet.
doc_bean
12-10-2005, 01:03
You act as though we'd stop paying them if they attacked Iran.
Public opinion would certainly turn against the Israeli if they launched a first strike (especially if they would use nukes), many politicians might feel to need to distance themselves from the Israeli.
Yes. Whenever I hear the word democracy I reach for my wallet.
I'm putting this in my sig ~D
Ugly thing. Maybe it was a mistake made by the USA to invade Afghanistan and the Iraq. For sure the situation in Afghanistan was a breeding place for ugly terrorists, but not the Iraq. Saddam lost lots of his former power after the first gulf war, but was able to calm down the pan Arabic painted new radicalism. As he was faced by Bush's invading army he saw his own chance to get rid of by calling in and helping the international Islamic terrorists. Saddam is now gone, while the terrorists grow in power at the Iraq. Actual a German woman was kidnapped, while local citizen in Baghdad have to handle up to 80 kidnappings a day! Just to give you a relation!
When I compare all of this with Ahmadinejad’s speeches, I come to the conclusion that it may be best to stop him with military forces in his own land. Then you have a land connection between Iraq and Afghanistan. At least this guy leads over more potential powers but Hussein did before he got invaded. The Iran is working on a nuclear bomb! I do not like wars and didn’t want the second gulf war, but it is time to check out any measures that helps to stop this idiot leading a great and respected Nation as the Iran is.
Sorry for any Iran citizen, I know you do not want a war and will for sure defence your homes as it is your right to do. You had a chance to avoid become lead by an asset during the election (did you really had with you political system?). Now it is time to lead this guy back into the swamps he crawled out for you. Use it please. I am no warmonger but still feed up with Islamic threats and loudmouthed speeches. I am a Christian and proud of it. I am feed up that in my own country the newspapers are using the word ‘unbeliever’ for anybody but Islamic people. Hey, I live not in a Muslim country! I feel abused by this term as I am not an unbeliever! Any Muslim may be proud of his religion too, but shall not force others. I believe into peace between religions, which is much easier when a sum like Ahmadinejad is no longer in leadership. It is a shame when guys like him may proof that our Christian moron (G.W.Bush) is right.
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Templar Knight
12-11-2005, 16:01
Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran
ISRAEL’S armed forces have been ordered by Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, to be ready by the end of March for possible strikes on secret uranium enrichment sites in Iran, military sources have revealed.
The order came after Israeli intelligence warned the government that Iran was operating enrichment facilities, believed to be small and concealed in civilian locations.
If a military operation is approved, Israel will use air and ground forces against several nuclear targets in the hope of stalling Tehran’s nuclear programme for years, according to Israeli military sources.
It is believed Israel would call on its top special forces brigade, Unit 262 — the equivalent of the SAS — and the F-15I strategic 69 Squadron, which can strike Iran and return to Israel without refuelling.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1920074,00.html
KukriKhan
12-11-2005, 16:43
From the same timesonline article, this bit surprised me (my emphasis added):
"...Cross-border operations and signal intelligence from a base established by the Israelis in northern Iraq are said to have identified a number of Iranian uranium enrichment sites unknown to the the IAEA..."
Israelis in Iraq? A base? That would seem a hard pill for the Baghdad gov't to swallow.
Adrian II
12-11-2005, 17:30
From the same timesonline article, this bit surprised me (my emphasis added):
"...Cross-border operations and signal intelligence from a base established by the Israelis in northern Iraq are said to have identified a number of Iranian uranium enrichment sites unknown to the the IAEA..."
Israelis in Iraq? A base? That would seem a hard pill for the Baghdad gov't to swallow.Dear Kukrikhan, Israeli agents are all over Kurdistan since 2003.
"Israeli intelligence and military operatives are now quietly at work in Kurdistan, providing training for Kurdish commando units and, most important in Israel’s view, running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran, whose position in the region has been strengthened by the war. The Israeli operatives include members of the Mossad, Israel’s clandestine foreign-intelligence service, who work undercover in Kurdistan as businessmen and, in some cases, do not carry Israeli passports."
Here's what (http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040628fa_fact)
And here's how (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1655993,00.html)
KukriKhan
12-11-2005, 19:43
My ignorance of this is appalling. Thanks for the background. :bow:
Adrian II
12-11-2005, 21:12
My ignorance of this is appalling. Thanks for the background. :bow:I guess most people do not realise the country has already fallen apart. The new Constitution only ratifies that. I believe the Kurdistan situation also goes a long way toward explaing the escalating war of words between Iran and Israel.
It's just rhetoric, aimed at the local populace. Ignore it.
Byzantine Prince
12-14-2005, 14:21
On the meantime. More brilliance (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/index.html):san_laugh:
I wonder if he is a regular visitor of these forums. Hm.
Prodigal
12-14-2005, 15:00
Couldn't Israel & France do a straight swap?
Alexanderofmacedon
12-14-2005, 18:56
This may be a little off topic, but I just want to say that every Jewish person I know is cool. For all you Jew bashers...
:san_angry: :san_angry: :san_angry:
Coal for you:san_wink:
EDIT: BTW, I know a French Jew. He's cool...
Prodigal
12-15-2005, 09:19
Well the best man at my wedding is Jewish so I can't really have a go, but the French have been terribly noisy neighbours for, well, a long time.
bmolsson
12-16-2005, 02:24
So the Israelis are training the kurds. Is this the same kurds that are fighting in Tureky ? Can get really messy....
LeftEyeNine
12-16-2005, 05:26
So the Israelis are training the kurds. Is this the same kurds that are fighting in Tureky ? Can get really messy....
Great comprehension. You really catch the points, bmolsson.. Though they are not trained for that primarily, by the Israeli, they can do that on their own :bow:
Byzantine Prince
12-16-2005, 05:28
Great comprehension. You really catch the points, bmolsson.. Though they are not trained for that primarily, by the Israeli, they can do that on their own :bow:
Oh that's good. I'm relieved. :san_grin:
Go Kurdistan!
Go atheism!
Go BP!
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