The 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto

[Gawain of Orkeny]

1 The First Plank is relatively simple: Abolition of property in land, and application of all rents of land to public purposes

2 Moving on to the Second Plank, we read: A heavy progressive, or graduated, income tax.

3 The Third Plank is also a fairly short one: Abolition of all right of inheritance

4 Going to the Fourth Plank, we read: Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels

5 Looking at the Fifth Plank, we read: Centralization of credit in the hands of the State by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly

6 Going to the Sixth Plank, we find: Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7 Now, the Seventh Plank is a bit more complex: Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan

8 The Eighth Plank reads: Equal liability of all to labor, establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture

9 The Eighth Plank reads: Equal liability of all to labor, establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture

10 At last we reach the tenth Plank: Free Education for all children in public schools; abolition of children's factory labor in its present form; combination of education with industrial production

Seems to me weve got at least 9 out of ten of these in the US now.

[Samurai Waki]

I knew it all along! The Soviets and Chinese set us up!:san_rolleyes: :san_laugh:

[Rodion Romanovich]

Seems to me weve got at least 9 out of ten of these in the US now.

:san_laugh: Actually it does... All except no. 8 it seems... :san_sad: But you accidentally left out no. 9, 8 is posted twice. So what is no. 9?

[Byzantine Prince]

Dude! The conservatives control the freaken gorvernment. Stop bitching! Dude!


PS: I like the "at least 9 out of 10" part. LOL!

[Lazul]

Reality Check needed, now! :san_rolleyes:

[Ronin]

it communism has never been implemented anywere in the world....I kinda doubt that it´s gonna happen in a christian right-wing conservative governed country.....but hey...that´s just me....:san_rolleyes:

[Reverend Joe]

1 The First Plank is relatively simple: Abolition of property in land, and application of all rents of land to public purposes

2 Moving on to the Second Plank, we read: A heavy progressive, or graduated, income tax.

3 The Third Plank is also a fairly short one: Abolition of all right of inheritance

4 Going to the Fourth Plank, we read: Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels

5 Looking at the Fifth Plank, we read: Centralization of credit in the hands of the State by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly

6 Going to the Sixth Plank, we find: Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7 Now, the Seventh Plank is a bit more complex: Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan

8 The Eighth Plank reads: Equal liability of all to labor, establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture

9 The Eighth Plank reads: Equal liability of all to labor, establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture

10 At last we reach the tenth Plank: Free Education for all children in public schools; abolition of children's factory labor in its present form; combination of education with industrial production

Seems to me weve got at least 9 out of ten of these in the US now.

Good job, McCarthy. You really spotted the communist plot there. ~:rolleyes:

Come on, Gawain- this country is a lot closer to facism than communism. (Maybe I will explain this when I have the energy.)

[Rodion Romanovich]

Still nobody knows what the ninth plank is? It says eight plank twice above...

[Meneldil]

Well, that's fairly easy, the Ninth Plank is
'Invade other countries to take their oil, and pray at least 10 times a day.'

[Prodigal]

There's one massive difference between the US & a hive of commy badness, the commie hive has only one political party. You have 2!

If there are more than two please tell me, because I've always sort of believed there's some law that means there can't be any more...This relates to an episode of happy days I saw when I was ALOT younger, that & the fact I really can't be bothered to find out for myself.

[BDC]

There's one massive difference between the US & a hive of commy badness, the commie hive has only one political party. You have 2!

Except they're identical in every way (although for some reason the supporters of each one passionately hate the others and compare them to Satan etc).

[Kanamori]

If it were true that these doctrines are widespread here, the communist manifesto seems to be working well; I suggest that everyone seriously considers it.




Abolition of property in land, and application of all rents of land to public purposes

Hmmm.... my parents own land, my neighbors own land, and farmers own lots of land.


Abolition of all right of inheritance

... When did we lose the ability to gain inheritance?


Centralization of credit in the hands of the State by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly

The Fed doesn't control the money supply, they influence it through open-market operations and such. Money is largely created by independent banks, and they control who they will lend it to, and thus where investment is going.


Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

The government doesn't own cars, airplanes or any of those. They maintain highways and regulate some mediums of communication which are in the public domain.


Free Education for all children in public schools; abolition of children's factory labor in its present form; combination of education with industrial production

Whether or not this puts us in the same category as communism, I would venture to say that this is definitely a good thing

[RabidGibbon]

The ninth "plank" (don't know where that term comes from, but that list is at the end of the second chapter of the communist manifesto) is:


Originally posted by Karl Marx

9: Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

Unless the USA is a very very different to my perception of it I cant imagine that they have acheived 9 out of 10 of these targets.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Sorry guys it was like 4am whe I posted this

9 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.



Originally Posted by #1
Abolition of property in land, and application of all rents of land to public purposes


Hmmm.... my parents own land, my neighbors own land, and farmers own lots of land.



Didnt SCOTUS just rule on this. They can take your property if it increases their tax base? Also the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management


Originally Posted by #3
Abolition of all right of inheritance


... When did we lose the ability to gain inheritance?


Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".


Originally Posted by #5
Centralization of credit in the hands of the State by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly


The Fed doesn't control the money supply, they influence it through open-market operations and such. Money is largely created by independent banks, and they control who they will lend it to, and thus where investment is going.


We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes. So why do they tax? To FOOL YOU into thinking they need them.


Originally Posted by #6
Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.


The government doesn't own cars, airplanes or any of those. They maintain highways and regulate some mediums of communication which are in the public domain.


We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL


Originally Posted by #10
Free Education for all children in public schools; abolition of children's factory labor in its present form; combination of education with industrial production


Whether or not this puts us in the same category as communism, I would venture to say that this is definitely a good thing

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

[Prodigal]

Should I start a new thread? It wasn't a joke I was actually being serious, can you have more than 2 political parties in the US?

@BDC - What if both sets of supporters are right about the other? :san_grin:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Should I start a new thread? It wasn't a joke I was actually being serious, can you have more than 2 political parties in the US?


I bet we have more parties than you do.

Look Here (http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm)

[Ronin]

Sorry guys it was like 4am whe I posted this

9 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.





Didnt SCOTUS just rule on this. They can take your property if it increases their tax base? Also the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management



Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".



We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes. So why do they tax? To FOOL YOU into thinking they need them.



We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL



People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

so basically any form of government service leads to communism?...... riiiiiiiiiiight


*hands Gawain a large Tin-Foil Hat*....use this my tovarish....Sputnik 3 might be listening in....

[Prodigal]

I bet we have more parties than you do.

Look Here (http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm)
MOTHER OF ALL, I was happier being ignorant, you have 3 different nazi parties!

- VOTE PPP -

[Gawain of Orkeny]

so basically any form of government service leads to communism?...... riiiiiiiiiiight


Most have part of it in them yes. Nowdays we tend to call it socialism or social reforms.

[Kanamori]

Didnt SCOTUS just rule on this. They can take your property if it increases their tax base? Also the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management

They're forcing them to sell the land, it's not taking away their right to own property. Besides the vast majority of people will go through their lives w/ never losing their property to the state.


Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

the manifesto uses the word "all" and those seem to be quite far from encompassing all.


We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).

The FDIC makes them keep reserves so the Great Depression doesn't happen again, and similar problems happened in Argentina not to long ago. Sorry, I don't care if it takes away a banks freedom when they recklessly lend out way more money than they keep and screw us all over.


This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes.

Which bank, because money is created by all banks when they lend out more than they have in their reserves? And how are taxes no longer needed? The Fed engages in open-market operations in order to help balance the economy, they control very little, they only influence.


We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL

the only means of transportation in there are amtrack and conrail and those aren't monopolies. I'm not going to say I like the FCC, because personally I hate them, but they are not the means of communication, they regulate various communications but the state owns no means of communication that I can think of. State mandated drivers licenses control who gets to drive, based on merit, which is not the means of transportation.


People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

When I was in High School, they never mentioned a thing about our jobs, besides, "you want to get a good job and live well right? Get good grades then. Go to Harvard... don't be a crackhead on the street." I'm willing to pay more in taxes for education than I would have to to just support my children so that someone elses less privileged children could get an education.

Which is all secondary, since I've never seen a harm even presented.



Should I start a new thread? It wasn't a joke I was actually being serious, can you have more than 2 political parties in the US?

There is the Libertarian Party, as well as the Green Party. There are differences between Republicans and Democrats, they just aren't as big as the differences that you are used to there.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

They're forcing them to sell the land, it's not taking away their right to own property. Besides the vast majority of people will go through their lives w/ never losing their property to the state.


But if they want your land they can take it.


Look Im not trying to say the US is a communist state, But I do find it amusing that most of us bash communism relentlesly when in reality our own country supports so much of what was written in the manifesto. I find it ironic. Who knows though slowly but surely we might just become that if the liberals have their way.

[Kanamori]

Well, what we have seems to work well, even better than what we have had before.:san_wink:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Thats a matter of opinion. Give me back the 50s

[Meneldil]

Gawain, is the link you posted serious ? Some parties look hilarious :

The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, the Pansexual Peace Party, the Pot Party and the Republican Party seriously deserve some kind of award.

Seriously, I'm glad to see that there are other parties than the Rep/Dem. Too bad they are powerless and represents only a tiny part of the population.
An out topic question : are there different democrat or republican parties in the different states ? Or do they all stick to the same ideology ?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Yes its totally serious


An out topic question : are there different democrat or republican parties in the different states ? Or do they all stick to the same ideology ?

There are all sorts of so called democratic and republican parties but there is only one of each that reall has any power. You know the DNC and the RNC are used to bring the members of these parties together. I think were closer to a one party system that a two party one nowdays. Theres really not that much difference in what they do only in what they say they will do.

[Byzantine Prince]

Thats a matter of opinion. Give me back the 50s
Segregation anyone?


BTW, the reason that so many of America's regulation etc. are similar to communist manifesto is because Karl Marx didn't simply write about ONLY his own political and economic ideology, he also analyzed the others and some of his ideas are very respected by a lot of economists and politicians all over the world. He is after all considered one of the major philosophers of all time and so he holds great influence all over the world we live in.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Segregation anyone?

I didnt say everything was better now did I. But Im whaite so that would be no problem for me:san_laugh: Im talking about individual freedoms and far less government intervention.

[Reverend Joe]

Gawain, what we are facing isn't Communism, it never was- it is totalitarian facism! The populace at large is still far too aware of the "Red Threat" for such a revolution to occurr- we are in far more danger of falling prey to ultranationalism and facism. Why do you think Bush et al were so eager to maintain the Patriot act?

[Xiahou]

Which bank, because money is created by all banks when they lend out more than they have in their reserves? And how are taxes no longer needed? The Fed engages in open-market operations in order to help balance the economy, they control very little, they only influence.Really? According to this, admittedly simplistic, explanation- it looks like the Fed has pretty absolute control over the amount of currency in circulation. When it wants to create money, it buys bonds- when it wants to make money go away, it sells bonds.

link (http://www.federalreserveeducation.org/fed101/policy/money.htm)

[Byzantine Prince]

I didnt say everything was better now did I. But Im whaite so that would be no problem for me:san_laugh: Im talking about individual freedoms and far less government intervention.
Perhaps you mean *economical* intervention, because if not you are contradicting your core beliefs as a conservative.

BTW, did the US shift to the right after Reagan? Nixon was like a hippie in comparison.

[Kanamori]

Really? According to this, admittedly simplistic, explanation- it looks like the Fed has pretty absolute control over the amount of currency in circulation. When it wants to create money, it buys bonds- when it wants to make money go away, it sells bonds.

It is hardly a monopoly on money. They help control interest rates, but that in itself is a limited power. It is not forcing banks to do something, it takes an action which it thinks will usually help get to some end. Whenever a bank loans money that is not in its reserves, they are creating money. Money isn't just the paper that you pass around and it isn't just the credit or accounts one has. Money is created when they do that lending. Simply: when people borrow that money and spend it, they are spending money that is neither backed by an account nor backed by physical money. This is why the FDIC makes them keep certain reserves, because a run on the bank is always possible and it is meant to encourage people so that they all don't go running looking for bills that won't be there, and on a big enough scale resulting in economic collapse. Also, I'm sure that many taxpayers would be happy to know that, in this process and not as an end they strive for, the Fed usually makes an incredible amount of money. Basically, I wasn't claiming that the Fed didn't make money, only that they weren't the primary source, by a long shot.

[bmolsson]

Gawain, this is what you get when you go to bed with China... :P