Why...

[Just A Girl]

Why does beirut Prefer people to waste money than to allow me to Reply to a question,

Id say "a mod who will remain nameless" But its pointless as all u need to do is go look at 1 of my edited posts to see who i mean.

Any way. Back to the point.
I understand that i have agreed to stay out of the front room.
But occasionaly there are threads Like The MP3 player one,

Where i try to share valuable information with the people who ask a question,
Only for beirut to say:
"I prefer they suffer than let you post"
Or atleast thats what it looks like to me.

Some times i accidentaly post in the front room as i saw the topic from the main board,
So i dont really mind when he deletes those.

But With this mp3 player one.
I Left a message in the post. Requesting that if he was going to delete it Could he atlest repeat my words in his own way so the question was answerd.
He didnt seem to care,
And deleted the post bringing nothing of value to the topic.
I guess his own feelings come before org patrons.

His vendetta against me Can probably be discribed as:
"The Least i could expect",
so it Is not bothering me,
But i dont see how its fair for other patrons to be denied a civil reply which they would undoubtedly be greatfull for.



Its not like Im always in the front room,
Or that I play alot in the spam posts.
Cos i dont.
my posts in the front room have Mostly been in reply to a question.

I dunno if hes trying to punish me,
But its not me who is suffering if he is....

[Strike For The South]

This thread needs to be locked now. nothing good could of it. Shambles if you have a problem with Beirut take it up via PM not here I beilive we tried this

[Productivity]

I dunno if hes trying to punish me,
But its not me who is suffering if he is....

No it's us who are suffering from this exaggerated soap opera you are trying to drag out into public. It's clear that you have an inability to exist in a harmonious state with the org, these almost weekly threads about how you are so victimized are proof enough of that, quite frankly I think it would be best for all involved if you just left and didn't return, or at least only enter those areas where you know you are welcome, wherever they may be.

[Strike For The South]

No it's us who are suffering from this exaggerated soap opera you are trying to drag out into public. It's clear that you have an inability to exist in a harmonious state with the org, these almost weekly threads about how you are so victimized are proof enough of that, quite frankly I think it would be best for all involved if you just left and didn't return, or at least only enter those areas where you know you are welcome, wherever they may be.

I wish I was that articulate

[Kaiser of Arabia]

No it's us who are suffering from this exaggerated soap opera you are trying to drag out into public. It's clear that you have an inability to exist in a harmonious state with the org, these almost weekly threads about how you are so victimized are proof enough of that, quite frankly I think it would be best for all involved if you just left and didn't return, or at least only enter those areas where you know you are welcome, wherever they may be.
Better said that I could have.

Please, listen. We get it, we really do. But we're with Beirut. All we ever hear is "Poor Me" and "Poor Shambles" et cetera, and you know what? No once cares. Sorry to be so harsh, but I've been through hell and back with the Moderators and I don't make six billion posts on how it's unfair. Because, in the end, they are right something like 99.8% of the time.

No one feels bad for you. You broke forum rules and payed the price. That is the end of it.

[GoreBag]

So...you can't post in the Frontroom...at all? For no good reason? This isn't an official part of the punishment?

[Just A Girl]

So...you can't post in the Frontroom...at all? For no good reason? This isn't an official part of the punishment?

Dunno,

I was banned for the offence.
that account is gone. No problems with that, "My fault"

So i started to use trishes account, Just to appologize initialy,
But i was soon posting more frequently.

I then posted in the front room and beirut pm'd me.
I agreed to stay out of his way, and not post in the front rooom. Ocasionaly i do.
And i noticed he deletes my posts.

I dont really mind,
Nothing of value usualy resides in the front room,

but on this 1 topic there was a valid reason for a post to be made.
And i dont see why he couldnt have taken the time To atleast Reitterate the words of warning i had taken the time to provide.
It was not in my benafit at all, And was purley to the benafit of other patrons.
But now all thats there is my sig.

So dunno.
How is that Me being punished?
And how is it a pitty me story?

Just trying to bring a situation to light,

And honestly Pm's dont do squat.

So obviously a public post is the safest way for me to discuss Any matter pertaining to the situation.

and as for weekly threads?
i beleve this is the 1st thread i have started about the matter.

Anything els is probably a reply.

[Duke John]

You insulted a moderator several times, put porn onto a family forum. You got banned from the Org. That you can return under a different account should be seen as a privilige and it's up to the Org to set the boundaries, not you. You got your chance.

[Productivity]

So...you can't post in the Frontroom...at all? For no good reason? This isn't an official part of the punishment?

I think you'll find that he isn't allowed to access ANY forum, and it is for no good reason that he is allowed to use a secondary account to bypass this ban.

[Beirut]

I dont really mind,
Nothing of value usualy resides in the front room,



You're wrong, something of value does reside there - the Org. members.

[Mithrandir]

If you make a deal not to post somewhere, don't post there.

It's not about who get a disadvantage of the post being deleted, it's a bout the agreement.

ps: If it were up to me I'd permanantly ban you from The org. Not only the forums but the site as well. You've disgraced the Org with your filthy pictures and obscene language.

[Templar Knight]

I agreed to stay out of his way, and not post in the front rooom. Ocasionaly i do. And i noticed he deletes my posts.

Well theres the catch. You made a deal with Beirut not to post in the frontroom and then you break the deal by posting there. It doesn't matter what you posted, what matters is that you said you wouldn't.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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My suggestion, ShambleS, if you care to listen, reregister as a junior member and start over. You are dead wrong and there is no point in trying to defend the lost territory; it won't help you, it won't help ORG.

IMHO Just A Girl's account should be suspended too. It's not kind for a community member, towards her community, willingly let her identity be forged, no matter in good intent or not.
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[Viking]

BrutalDictatorship is gone, you are not. You were both banned.

[Just A Girl]

BrutalDictatorship. Obviously dosent want to be here.
I on the other hand Like to be here.

Im not complaining that i cant post.
I Just wanna know Why he decided that the question asked didnt need an answer.

I wouldnt care if he repeted what i said in his words Just so people were given a reply.

And Mouzafph*
You know Il accept your staments, And although in fact it seems Reasonable,
Id prolly Just Buy some 1 elses account from em
b4 i made a new 1.
Thats the good thing about being able to email members.

[Templar Knight]

buy someones account?

[Strike For The South]

BrutalDictatorship. Obviously dosent want to be here.
I on the other hand Like to be here.

Im not complaining that i cant post.
I Just wanna know Why he decided that the question asked didnt need an answer.

I wouldnt care if he repeted what i said in his words Just so people were given a reply.

And Mouzafph*
You know Il accept your staments, And although in fact it seems Reasonable,
Id prolly Just Buy some 1 elses account from em
b4 i made a new 1.
Thats the good thing about being able to email members.

Boy are you thick in the head? You said no frontroom. you posted. you face the consquences. Beirut is a damn good moderator just leave it be. This is a forum ok its private people run it becuase it is fun. So ethier aplogize and start over or leave the mods have already been way leinant with you. :dancinglock:

[Just A Girl]

Boy are you thick in the head? You said no frontroom. you posted. you face the consquences. Beirut is a damn good moderator just leave it be. This is a forum ok its private people run it becuase it is fun. So ethier aplogize and start over or leave the mods have already been way leinant with you. :dancinglock:

Who died and made you Some 1 id listen 2?
I wont listen to Any idiot,

I may respect what some patrons say and I may accept there words of concil and Think about what they say.
You are most definatly NOT one of those patrons,

You and your lil cronies just spam and Troll.
So Really, Its not like im goint to even listen to you.

So why waste your time talking to me,

[Strike For The South]

whatever man you cleary broke the rules stop whining

:dancinglock:

[Quietus]

ShambleS,

First of all, it is a bit unfair to dangle Just A Girl's account like this.

I don't know the exact .ORG policy. But the best way to change the status quo IMO is to ask from the Admins/Mods for conditions enabling you to reregister again. Conditions (ie. owning fault in detail, apology etc).

Depending if the Admins/Mods wishes to level these conditions.
and you accepting these conditions.

[Monk]

ShambleS, let me say up front i don't know you and have not conversed with you enough here or anywhere to know what sort of character you are. The only thing i have to draw on is the fact that you, in anger/pick-your-emotion, posted, lets call them, "bad pictures" all over the .org because you had a despute with a single person of the mod team. Such a thing should have been carried out in private where you two could have worked everything out, but you chose to air your grievances all over the site.

That is a huge act of disrespect and a dishonor to not just the forums but the site as a whole. So to me, the fact that you are talking of respect to other patrons holds no weight with me..

I'm not saying you haven't been good since them, believe me. I haven't heard anything bad in quite some time, and i've noticed you trying to contribute back to the .org. However, imho, this thread is a mistake, as it gives a bad impression of your overall intentions. Good or ill, whichever they may be.

if there's a problem with Beirut or the rest of the mod team, solve that privately. Threads like these are looked down upon as people trying to "drum up support" for their cause; not saying that is what you are doing but some could take it that way. As i'm sure you've gathered already.

[drone]

I don't know much about the conflict here, but if you have an agreement to not post in the Frontroom, that should be obeyed. I know you are trying to help, but a deal is a deal. In cases like this (answering a question), it might be best if you were to PM your response to the member in question instead of posting in the thread. If multiple people want to know, you could request one member to post your solution or recommendations in the thread so all benefit.

Just my $0.02.

[Just A Girl]

Access this account,
and snd a PM to Beirut or tossa,
And you will be ignored,

So Public post it is,

And i did try to resolve the origional Matter in pm's
But it was like talking to a brick wall. Which also insulted you.
So why should i bother with PM's That just get ignored or lead to an insult, Which then leads to the org suffering.

Atleast With a public post like this,
the people in question arent being patronizing or belitteling in responce to my statments. So it is infact the lesat distruptive course of action i could take,
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I will bear in mind to PM the person who asked the question in the future,

But i still think its a bit underhanded To deny patrons the information they asked for over a greivance with another patron.

this post is sposed to be more like...
Please use your discression when deleting my posts,
Than
Please dont delete my posts.

There must be a threshold somewhere That if i tell some 1 something Importaint enough.
That the mods sould Need to weigh the pro's and cons of having my words there.
I dont care if they delete my posts then repeat what i said, leting People think some 1 els helped them.
aslong as the answer is given It dosent matter who gave it IMO.

[Mongoose]

"That just get ignored or lead to an insult"

Wait a minute....weren't you the one who started the insults?:san_laugh:

Moderators are only human. If you punch them, it's going to hurt them, and you should expect to be punched back. If you walk over to a police officers and kick them in their shins, what the hell do you think they're going to do?

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
ShambleS, all of this started when you couldn't control your rage, and sadly it's happening again. I know the feel, I've had very bad experiences with other people elsewhere (with whom we are even closer friends since then), so I'm not giving a sermon, speaking from experience.

It's fine that you want to be here. Honestly, few people would want you out of here if you managed to act properly. By proper act I mean taking a break, letting the bad incidents fade off in memories and trying a restart.

When something really pisses me off here at the ORG (Backroom) or elsewhere I exile myself for a decided period of time --like a week or longer. See, if you did that to let the rage cool off at first place we wouldn't be needing to make this discussion. No matter, you can do it now. Time will help.

Take a leave, give yourself some time to sort things out and keep your offline contact with the obvious orgahs in the meantime.
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[Just A Girl]

but im not angry,
Im not arguing here.

Im even gonna ignore the "You started the insults" post above.
Although i could go in to lengthy detail about what happend.

Fair enough i snap at people who try to coax me in to a flame war.
and i supose my initial post caused that reaction.

but never the less my pms do get ignored.
And although i have not gained anything or made any diference with this post,
atleast i know that my sentiments havent just been deleted away.

So im happy with that.

[GoreBag]

Barf. Let's all take sides.

Look. Either ban the account or let Shambles post. This on-the-fence attitude would be immensely irritating for me were I in Shambles' position, not to mention the private deal going on being an abuse of moderator privileges.

[Just A Girl]

I dont care about posting in the front room.
I dont mind the deal Either, Its fair enough.
just this occasion could have been considerd an exeption or handled slightly diferently imo.

[Simetrical]

buy someones account?
I would totally sell my account to ShambleS for $100. He could do whatever he wanted with it, get it banned, anything, I don't care. I mean, damn, money is money.

[KukriKhan]

I dont care about posting in the front room.
I dont mind the deal Either, Its fair enough.
just this occasion could have been considerd an exeption or handled slightly diferently imo.

So says a hijacked account.

meh.

[Duke John]

That TosaInu and Beirut are not listening to you is understandable IMO. Afterall you got banned! Normally people then either don't return because they have too many differences with the staff or they let it rest for a while before returning with a new account.
You are helping other members of the Org, but that doesn't mean you can act like a completely innocent member. You made a big mistake, the least thing you can do is accept the consequences and be humble for a while.



p.s. You can buy my account for 200 dollars, it's got a Senior Membership and 3 awards!

[Just A Girl]

I wouldnt say Hijaked More long term lease...

And i know i should try to lay low and Keep out of the way and be thankfull im here at all.
But as you can see Im quite outspoken when i beleve something untoward occured.

and i beleve things should be discussed at the least when theres a situation.

i agree the staff here have compromized with me, and have been civil and there is A great service here.

I have no real greviance with any 1.
but as ive said multiple times now, It was only this 1 incident that i am botherd about,
becous it seemed to punish others more than me.

It dosent really matter now any way.

[Drisos]

:san_sad: Hey all, it's near christmas! Be nice all!

*****

Shambles, I will solve this case very easily - when you feel someone in frontroom needs help, send me a PM with what you would post. I will post that in frontroom, so you don't need to break the rules set after 'what happened'... (I assume that you are allowed to post with that account, as no action has been taken to it in weeks. only not in frontroom.) this wil proove Beirut that you just post there to be helpful, not to annoy him or crick up postcount whatever reason he had to keep you out of frontroom.

*****

I know shambles has been in touch with Beirut trough pm by long. he would not post about it here if he could've solved it only via pm.

I can get very angry about what I see as replies in this thread... certain patrons seem to think it is necessary to personally attack him AGAIN on what he did a while ago. they are the ones who make it necessary to close this thread, with their personal insults. I am very unpleasantly surprised even a moderator replied like that, in a nice ps.:san_sad:

and this all while it's almost christmas... ~:mecry:

[Mithrandir]

I judged the actions, not the person.

[English assassin]

And i know i should try to lay low and Keep out of the way and be thankfull im here at all.

No disrespect m8 but there it is out of your own mouth and I'd say yes to that.

[InsaneApache]

Personally I'm amazed that ShambleS is allowed to post on the .org at all. Although I am familiar with his work on keeping shoggy mp alive (kudos for that), his hissy-fit when he and Beirut had an altercation was, to say the least, bordering on pathological. To subject the members here to pornographic pictures is just disgusting, (my grand-daughter is sometimes standing next to me when I browse this forum) but then to repeatedly complain about Beirut is really getting tedious.

If I were you JAG I'd keep my gob shut and thank the lucky stars that the 'owners' of the board have seen fit to give you another chance. (Which BTW if this had happened to the clan forum--I'd have banned you for life)

[Just A Girl]

I think you have me Mistaken for some 1 els,
Im ShambleS
This Is Trish's Account,
She named her self Just a girl, As she is Just a Girl.

I am not a member of any clan,
So you can ban me from all the clans you like. .....

[Templar Knight]

This should be closed before things flare up again. Lets all move on and forget about it. The administration will take care of any issues as they see fit.

[Beirut]

This on-the-fence attitude would be immensely irritating for me were I in Shambles' position, not to mention the private deal going on being an abuse of moderator privileges.

If you feel you have a valid complaint about the mods abusing their privileges, that deserves an answer.

The private deal, agreed to by both parties, is there to keep the peace - meaning I ignore the other account in the 20+ other forums as long as that account does not post in the Frontroom. Considering this situation involves the most abusive and disgusting behaviour of any Org. member in years, this is a generous arrangement and I do not feel it is an abuse of privileges on my part. On the contrary, I think it shows the flexibility and tolerance of the Org.

Until the senior staff tell me otherwise, the deal stands. If I am told to let that account back into the Frontroom I'll follow the rules and do what I'm told.

[Just A Girl]

I dont intend on coming in to the front room,
I am also happy with the deal.
And agree it shows great flexibilaty,
I dont see why senior staff should tell him to do any diferent than he has,
it was mearly 1 post that could have possibly been delt with in a diferent manner.

I dont say he is abusing his privalages by deleting my posts from the front room, And infact i virtualy give him permission to,
All i wanted to ask was for a little discression,

but it really dosent matter now.
My greviances have been noted, and thats all i care about.

[Templar Knight]

Considering this situation involves the most abusive and disgusting behaviour of any Org. member in years

People have been banned for less, why wasn't both accounts banned?

[Proletariat]

I cannot believe the effort put out to keep the Shambles and Claytons around while Don was basically told 'don't let the door hit you on the way out.'

:san_sad:

[Ser Clegane]

while Don was basically told 'don't let the door hit you on the way out.'

I think that you are a bit unfair here.

Don has been asked by a lot of people - including staff - to reconsider his decision.
In the end, however, it was his decision alone to leave - and I, as a moderator and as a Backroom regular, am sad that he made this decision).

[English assassin]

Edit: beaten to it by Ser. I too would like Don to come back.

[Proletariat]

Edit: On second thought, I'll just leave it at that it sucks that Don's gone (and of course that was ultimately his own decision) and that I don't understand how people who post pornography and make death threats get fifty chances to behave and long drawn out watchtower hearings.

[Just A Girl]

Im sorry about that,
I cant say anything in my defence, other than it was pixilated to pieces, only way you could tell what it was about was thanx to the Text,

At the time i was quite agrivated at a certain person who was the intended target.
I understand thats no excuse at all.
what i did was not clever, or to be boasted about.

And i never made any death threats,

[Proletariat]

You're welcome by me to keep your last post the way it is, but would you consider editing it to reflect my last edit? I must've done it while you were posting.

[Mongoose]

I think it's time that ShambleS was axed completely, or just let the issue drop. This net drama belongs more to totalwarcenter then the calm, stable .org. Sorry if that seems harsh, but hi-jacking another account and posting after you were banned is offense that most forums wouldn't allow. Here you've been allowed to do that, if you agree to not post in a certain froum.

[Viking]

BrutalDictatorship. Obviously dosent want to be here.
I on the other hand Like to be here.

If you want to stay, you better stop starting threads like this.
You and Beirut had an agreement, so you better follow it. If he doesn`t delete your posts in the frontroom, then how the heck is this agreement supposed to work? A deal is a deal.

[Just A Girl]

I think it's time that ShambleS was axed completely, or just let the issue drop. This net drama belongs more to totalwarcenter then the calm, stable .org. Sorry if that seems harsh, but hi-jacking another account and posting after you were banned is offense that most forums wouldn't allow. Here you've been allowed to do that, if you agree to not post in a certain froum.


Thats not what happend.
But it dosent matter.

[Drisos]

hmmm certain people seem not to be able to listen, or haven't read my post at all...

take a look at shambles initial post.

I think, (sorry if I'm wrong) that that was just a reasonable, non-dramatic post.

then look at your own posts.

a lot of flaming... no one gets to the point. he was asking why he wasn't allowed to post helpful info in frontroom. some of you only say 'i don't like you', 'ban him', 'close this thread'. ok, it's not spam. watchtower doesn't add to postcount. what is it for? your posts are the only reason this thread needs to be closed, and the topic remains unsolved.

Mithrandir, the little 'ps', smaller characthers, and direct talking to shambles made me think otherwise... never mind.

[Simetrical]

This net drama belongs more to totalwarcenter then the calm, stable .org.Nah, we mostly close threads complaining about the staff. It's mainly dumb stuff like rank names that we have flaming rows about. ~D

[Mongoose]

"he was asking why he wasn't allowed to post helpful info in frontroom."

uh, maybe it's because he flamed a mod and posted some "questionable" images? :san_laugh:

Think about it... I flame a mod and spam the forum non stop. then, i demand to be allowed to post again or have a moderator post something for me in a thread to help someone. Is my request reasonable?


And people are only flaming him because he flamed Beirut. Beirut is a Lumberjack. And if maddox has taught us anything, it's that lumber jacks are awesome. The only thing that kicks @$$ more then a Lumber jack is a Pirate.



Nah, we mostly close threads complaining about the staff. It's mainly dumb stuff like rank names that we have flaming rows about.

TWC has afewthings going for it. But the net drama over there is intense...just recently you can see 3 rant threads(By the same person though) about the moderators.

[Just A Girl]

"he was asking why he wasn't allowed to post helpful info in frontroom."

uh, maybe it's because he flamed a mod and posted some "questionable" images? :san_laugh:

Think about it... I flame a mod and spam the forum non stop. then, i demand to be allowed to post again or have a moderator post something for me in a thread to help someone. Is my request reasonable?


And people are only flaming him because he flamed Beirut. Beirut is a Lumberjack. And if maddox has taught us anything, it's that lumber jacks are awesome. The only thing that kicks @$$ more then a Lumber jack is a Pirate.



TWC has afewthings going for it. But the net drama over there is intense...just recently you can see 3 rant threads(By the same person though) about the moderators.

You dont seem to have much of a clue as to what actualy happend....
Or the order things happend in.....
and i never spamed in any Forum
I may have Threatend to do so. But i did not spam Any where.
Never mind though. Aslong as you assume everything I guess your right.
No skin off my nose.

[GoreBag]

If you feel you have a valid complaint about the mods abusing their privileges, that deserves an answer.

The private deal, agreed to by both parties, is there to keep the peace - meaning I ignore the other account in the 20+ other forums as long as that account does not post in the Frontroom. Considering this situation involves the most abusive and disgusting behaviour of any Org. member in years, this is a generous arrangement and I do not feel it is an abuse of privileges on my part. On the contrary, I think it shows the flexibility and tolerance of the Org.

Until the senior staff tell me otherwise, the deal stands. If I am told to let that account back into the Frontroom I'll follow the rules and do what I'm told.

That you would use your Moderator privileges to back up a 'private deal' between you and a patron invalidates the fairness of any agreement. Is "Stay off my turf, esse, or I'll cut you" a private deal?

[Strike For The South]

You dont seem to have much of a clue as to what actualy happend....
Or the order things happend in.....
and i never spamed in any Forum
I may have Threatend to do so. But i did not spam Any where.
Never mind though. Aslong as you assume everything I guess your right.
No skin off my nose.

Then stop complaining. You put porn on here you blasted a modarter you are a thron in everyones hind end so stop this Oh woe is me bit ethier shut up or leave I am sick of this BS

:dancinglock:

[Just A Girl]

Do u actualy read anything I say?
Or do you just make it up as you go along?

I feel it is the latter,
and like i told you in a previous post.
all you do is spam and troll so dont preach to me.

id like to see the Oh woe is me part of the thread.
Seeing as there isnt one.
Id also like to see links to the weekly Threads you guys have IMAGINED ive made,
And whilst your at it. Id like a list of all the "Spam" I have posted,
I mean. you guys just make 90% of it up.

P.s
Your being a troll right now,

[Duke John]

Shambles, why did you start using the account of Just a Girl in the first place? Why not create a new account? Or did you think that that account might be banned too? You do realize that if you get a warning that Trish is feeling the consequences too?


some of you only say 'i don't like you', 'ban him', 'close this thread'. ok, it's not spam. watchtower doesn't add to postcount. what is it for?
Because some of us think that Shambles shouldn't be allowed to post on the Org for what he did and that using another account to avoid the exile does not give him any right to complain about his position.

On second thought, I'll just leave it at that it sucks that Don's gone (and of course that was ultimately his own decision) and that I don't understand how people who post pornography and make death threats get fifty chances to behave and long drawn out watchtower hearings.
Don was in the end not contributing much to the gaming community. Shambles is and that might give him some credit, how much is up to the moderators.

What I don't understand is that a ban appears to mean little more than no longer being able to use your banned account. You simply make a new one or take over another and that's it. The Stranger was banned for some time and he just used a different account and no moderator took any measures.

[Just A Girl]

Shambles, why did you start using the account of Just a Girl in the first place? Why not create a new account? Or did you think that that account might be banned too? You do realize that if you get a warning that Trish is feeling the consequences too?

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What I don't understand is that a ban appears to mean little more than no longer being able to use your banned account. You simply make a new one or take over another and that's it. The Stranger was banned for some time and he just used a different account and no moderator took any measures.

Well if i made a new account i could not post in the threads that i need to post in. to inform people of situations,
So thats 1 reason.

a nother reason is prolly cos beirut made an account using my hotmail adress, And then sent a sarcastic pm to it. (Invalid account 18)
So i wont be using that.
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But any way....
I think its more of a Chance.
I assume that i am allowed to stay here becous I wasnt a trouble maker prior too the event,
On the whole i try to be polite.
I try to contibute well in the threads.
And im doing my best not to be distruptive,

Even in this post Which is the only method i have of comunicating with certain people.
Other people have decided to "have a go"
I have done my best not to rize to the bait.

I have even tried to ignore the people who come to my defense, As that could spark a nother Argument.

I dont hold grudges but every 1 should be alowed to atleast discuss a matterer.
me and beirut have agreed to stay out of eachothers way as we dont see eye to eye, And altrecations between us could be bad for the org,

Im not trying to wind him up when i post in the front room,
Im just that kind of person, If i think i can help il try to help.
And on this 1 occasion The "punishment" he was dealing me was more detrimental to the patrons than to me.

Now i have an advertzement to my web page in the front room with no valid reason for it to be there,
and the patrons gained nothing.

I just wished to point out this fact to beirut so he could prehaps use his discression in the futer instead of blindly deleting everything,

Since then. A post has pointed out i should PM the people in question with my reply,
and drisos kindly offerd to post for me if i needed it to be.
So it makes all this Quite redundant.

Yet more pots arive.

But atleast people get it off there chests i supose.

[Viking]

I just wished to point out this fact to beirut so he could prehaps use his discression in the futer instead of blindly deleting everything,

Since then. A post has pointed out i should PM the people in question with my reply,
and drisos kindly offerd to post for me if i needed it to be.
So it makes all this Quite redundant.

Yet more pots arive.

But atleast people get it off there chests i supose.


It`s your punishment. You are trying to avoid it by starting this thread. If you`re told to stay out of the Frontroom, then do so.
When you`ve violated the rules, you deserve nothing better than punishment.
It`s your constant ranting that is tiring people.

[Just A Girl]

There is no rant here other than Those of the people who want me to stop posting.

Prehaps you will tire of yourselfs and neglect to post in reply In the future.

[Drisos]

You dont seem to have much of a clue as to what actualy happend....

indeed, mongoose, you do not. I have an idea... why don't you just stay out of this thread, when you got nothing of use to add?


"he was asking why he wasn't allowed to post helpful info in frontroom."

uh, maybe it's because he flamed a mod and posted some "questionable" images? :san_laugh:

I wasn't asking you for an answer. the things he did were wrong, quite right. but, now he is allowed to post, he wonders why he can't post helpful info in frontroom as well... is it so hard to understand? btw please leave the laughing smiley out of this because there is nothing to laugh about.


Think about it... I flame a mod and spam the forum non stop. then, i demand to be allowed to post again or have a moderator post something for me in a thread to help someone. Is my request reasonable?

he did not 'demand' anything. and to your question, yes.


And people are only flaming him because he flamed Beirut. Beirut is a Lumberjack. And if maddox has taught us anything, it's that lumber jacks are awesome. The only thing that kicks @$$ more then a Lumber jack is a Pirate.

so, when someone does something wrong, you go do the same? you could show some matureness by showing you are better then him, and not flame anyone. and think of it. is it of any use to flame him? no. is it against forum rules? yes.

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Then stop complaining. You put porn on here you blasted a modarter you are a thron in everyones hind end so stop this Oh woe is me bit ethier shut up or leave I am sick of this BS

'everyone'? wrong.

if you think this thread is 'bs', then stay out of it, please! personally I think your posting in this thread was all 'bs'.

[Togakure]

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ShambleS, all of this started when you couldn't control your rage, and sadly it's happening again. I know the feel, I've had very bad experiences with other people elsewhere (with whom we are even closer friends since then), so I'm not giving a sermon, speaking from experience.

It's fine that you want to be here. Honestly, few people would want you out of here if you managed to act properly. By proper act I mean taking a break, letting the bad incidents fade off in memories and trying a restart.

When something really pisses me off here at the ORG (Backroom) or elsewhere I exile myself for a decided period of time --like a week or longer. See, if you did that to let the rage cool off at first place we wouldn't be needing to make this discussion. No matter, you can do it now. Time will help.

Take a leave, give yourself some time to sort things out and keep your offline contact with the obvious orgahs in the meantime.
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This is top-shelf advice, SHambleS m8. It's what I do too, and it works well. There are many people in this world who won't let hard feelings go, particularly if they feel justified in having them and are supported by others. We have little power over this, but we do have power over ourselves. It can be used to neutralize a great number of shituations if used creatively, and practically.

[Viking]

I wasn't asking you for an answer. the things he did were wrong, quite right. but, now he is allowed to post, he wonders why he can't post helpful info in frontroom as well... is it so hard to understand?


Yes, it`s hard to understand. He was banned, yet he is still here, purely on the moderators mercy. Now he wants Beirut to lift this punishment, but starting a thread about that is entirely wrong. It`s entirely between moderator and member, it doesn`t have anything with us to do.

That`s why SFTS call this BS, somehing he has right to do.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Friends, Orgahs, countrymen, please! Neither bashing ShambleS, nor defending him will improve the situation. :no:
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[Tribesman]

I understand that i have agreed to stay out of the front room.

Then stick to your agreement .:san_rolleyes:

Oh look at me , I am the poor victim , I did some silly things but am allowed to post under someone elses name if I agree to not do silly thing again and refrain from doing other things .
But when I do other things that I have agreed not to do then people say you shouldn't do that .

I am innocent I tell ya , I never started nothing , I will never do nothing , and you have my word on that .
What a shambles:san_laugh: :san_laugh: :san_laugh:

[Gregoshi]

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Friends, Orgahs, countrymen, please! Neither bashing ShambleS, nor defending him will improve the situation. :no:

Mouzafphaerre is correct as always. Resist the urge to get in the last word and this thread comes to a end - a result everyone seems to want.

[Just A Girl]

Viking..Triebsman... And the other trolls in this thread...

If you dont know whts happend and arent going to read And your Just gonna try To prpovoke an argument,
Then Why dont you Just Leave this thread.

For Instance If Viking Read any posts He would Know, my Pm'S to beirut and tossa get ignored,
SO THATS WHY THIS IS IN THE WATCH TOWER.
And that makes his post pointless,

This isnt the back room.
This is about forum Policy
And this thread is 100% in the right place,
YOU guys making up lies and attepting to personaly insult me are the ones who need to read the rules.

Its simple enough for you to ignore the posts.
But obviously You feel as though you need my attention,

So in that case.
Go to post 1,
Read from there,
every post....
Then reply.

If you dont want to...
STHU and Dont post here.

You assume you know what happend yet you dont know shit,

You also assume you can provoke people and that it wont lead to A situation you will regret,.
Dont be so coky,


I havent asked for any thing to be lifted.
I havent asked For pitty. Neither Do I see any reason to give it.
Yet You seem to be unable to copmprehend this.
Even though Its a very siple premmis,

Now You Little Trolls Are trying to agrivate a situation,
Guess you wish to be distruptive.
And make up lies to post.
(atleast i only did that 1ce when provoked Unlike some who do it all the time just to troll)

I try my best here But Like i ve said before.
If you wanna play.
I will play with you, sooner than id report you.
But Remember befor you start pushing,.
I play for keeps.

if you want to be trolls keep making up lies and posting without reading all the posts that are already here.
On the other hand You can try to be civil when you speak.

The choice is yours. as it always is

[KukriKhan]

You also assume you can provoke people and that it wont lead to A situation you will regret


If you wanna play.
I will play with you, sooner than id report you.
But Remember befor you start pushing,.
I play for keeps.


Kindly clarify these statements, and explain how they are not threats.

All other posters: please hold your comments, until ShambleS explains.

[Just A Girl]

Kindly clarify these statements, and explain how they are not threats.

All other posters: please hold your comments, until ShambleS explains.


They are mearly staements in a language which people seem to understand,

I see how you can deem them to be threats, But that is becous of the wording,
Theres no actual threat there,
Mear statments that reflect truth

_Edit_

If you deem they would best be removed then i would do so.

[KukriKhan]

Forum rules state:


Examples of objectionable messages include, but are not limited to:....Posts containing any generally objectionable material: knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy...The Guild expects its patrons to remain civil even in the face of disagreements...

"The wording" is exactly the problem. Initiating a thread/topic in a forum, by definition, invites feedback on the issues raised. Feedback will predictably be both negative and positive. Responding to negative feedback with name-calling, profanity, and threats is not in accordance with either general forum decorum on the internet, or, particularly, this specific site's rules.

User account Just A Girl's access to the full forums is suspended for 72 hours, until 0400 GMT, 25 December 2005.

Please use this time positively, possibly to reflect on the reasons you originally came here, and the reasons you (greatly) contributed here, and the reasons you continue to visit - rather than plotting some revenge.

[LeftEyeNine]

Just A Girl,

Your intention on revealing your restless situation instead of bashing/ spamming or starting a public vulgar burst-off is for sure something positive, assuming that you posted only because you wanted to vent off - not to start a tiny war and confuse members. But..

I did not actually witness what you did, I'm active since around May, maybe it was before that. But posting pornographic material on a forum that is themed by a computer game -where there is a high possibility of young patrons wandering around or something like InsaneApache mentioned- is impossible to forgive, I think. What's more, I still don't get what kind of stuff is taking over another one's account and keep on posting with that nick.

If this was my forum, you'd get the best ban I could do with you, I'm being clear. It's a double generosity of letting you -despite the fact that you posted adult material- stay in the forums with an account taken over from another member. Your pay-off was to keep away from the Frontroom, if I did not get the whole thing wrong, and I think that you should take a more silent time to compensate what you did in the past. You may have wanted to contribute really, but I don't think there will be a team to distinguish your posts into good and bad, and then release it into the Frontroom. After all, this is a prohibition. You should feel its pressure.


Things get forgotten by time for sure, moderation team may re-think about your situation after assuring of your progress about your manners though it seems to take quite some time.

Briefly, this thread was not the right thing to do at all. But after all, it's opened already and I think it's the best of the worst.

If you itch some wound too much -though you want to itch it- it will bleed again. I suggest the peaceful and silent end of this discussion. And for Just A Girl : It is clear, the senior staff is really tolerant and generally proving to be doing the right thing. I was not a good patron in the start but their tolerance kept things improving and I'm already thankful to their approach that I'd feel rather bothered to show if I were them. I suggest you to keep on as if this thread stuff did not happen and re-think about how well you were tolerated about your deeds that seem extremely offensive to me.

P.S. I third Mouza 's warning: other dear Org members, please keep your posts "cool". :bow:

Edit : Oops, it's too late ~:(

[Duke John]

If you itch some wound too much -though you want to itch it- it will bleed again.
That summarises it quite well!

[Drisos]

it doesn`t have anything with us to do.

that's what I've been saying! you've nothing to do with this, just stay out of this thread.

as I also said before, Shambles has been in contact with Beirut via pm. but that didn't work things out.. but luckily you can post a question to staff in here? or what is watchtower supposed to be for?

welcome to this thread, Tribesman! ~:wave: another troll, hooray!:san_sad: :san_angry:

[Tribesman]

no one gets to the point. he was asking why he wasn't allowed to post helpful info in frontroom.
And the point is drisos , he is not allowed to post in the frontroom , because of a dispute and some very objectionable behaviour , and he has agreed that he will not post in the frontroom . It is quite simple .

another troll, hooray!:san_huh: :san_huh: :san_huh:

If I was going to troll I woud post something like .....You also assume you can provoke people and that it wont lead to A situation you will regret,.
Dont be so coky,

But Remember befor you start pushing,.
I play for keeps.

.......perhaps shambles is showing signs of mental instability .

Then I might add something like.......if you want to be trolls keep making up lies and posting without reading all the posts that are already here.
On the other hand You can try to be civil when you speak.
....oh jumping to conclusions now and adding hypocracy to your position for good measure , congratulations .

But of course I would never post anything like that :san_wink:

[Geoffrey S]

Take Mouzafphaerre's advice. I'd also suggest sorting this out with the moderators rather than this whole drama queen business; your previous actions were obviously way out of line and deserved a banning, the fact that you were still allowed to post was leniency on the part of the moderating team. I suggest you listen to what they have to say, and abide by any agreements or decisions reached by the team.

[Mithrandir]

This thread can be closed.

The question on why the post was deleted, was answered. So the thread has served it's purpose. Nothing constructive will come of it so it has no reason for existence.

I would like to ask all patrons to refrain from posting in this thread from here.

Thanks,

-Mithrandir.

[Vladimir]

Is it only me or do Just a Girl's posts look like a poem?

[Mouzafphaerre]

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:dancinglock:
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[InsaneApache]

Is it only me or do Just a Girl's posts look like a poem?

It's you.

[Vladimir]

Not a rhyming poem mind you but look at the structure. No matter what he/she/it has said in the past surely some consideration can be put in to how it was said.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Not a rhyming poem mind you but look at the structure. No matter what he/she/it has said in the past surely some consideration can be put in to how it was said.

Not sure if it really is poetry -- too little imagery etc. Clearly an effort was made with the text formatting to promote a visual as well as verbal effect, so it may be an attempt.

[Samurai Waki]

Well that was tense. It was like reading a poorly written script from 'Days of our Lives':san_grin:

[Drisos]

:dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock:

[Mongoose]

:dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock:


I second that. No Good can come of debating about Shambles writing style...