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[Strike For The South]

Ive recently "butted heads" with a few orgahs whos country shall not be named and they apprently think rugby can compare to American football. I will post now what I said there

wow Do you know why the average NFL football players life is 55 22 years younger than the average american? Have you seen Eric Dickerson or Gale Sayers latley? Does Rugby have 6'6 300 Lb men who can run sub 5 sec 40s? Men who can bench 500 squat 1000 lbs? How many people die in Rugby each year? Last year in Texas highschool football 5 kids died from on field injuries. Rugby is a rough game of tag with tiny men.

[Dâriûsh]

I don’t enjoy either. I like real football. :san_wink:

[Viking]

A game where you wear protection will always be more sissy than a game where you doesn`t, as long the basic is the same for both games.

Both games are equally boring anyway. Football(and curling:san_grin:) is the only fun sport to watch.

[Strike For The South]

We only wear padding becuase people were getting killed and hell they still do. So America wins how sweet anoter victory of the communists

[Samurai Waki]

I beg to differ sfts. Rugby consists of the meanest, hard headed, bastards that you'll ever meet(Did I mention I play Rugby). On the other hand, American Football does involve more tactics, and thats why I enjoy watching it. However, a Professional Football Team, versus a Professional Rugby Team... I'd put my money on the Rugby guys.:san_cool:

[drone]

The pads in American (gridiron) football are misunderstood by those not familiar with the game. They are there for protection, but also let you hit your opponent even harder.

Rugby does not have 300+ lb men because those guys would be useless in the game. Limited substitution and constant action (no huddles, play clock, TV timeouts, etc.) means that after about 5-10 minutes of play, the 300 pounders would be on the ground having heart attacks. Unlimited substitutions are the main reason American football players have been able to grown in size over the past 20+ years. Well, that and steroids. :san_wink:

I don't see why people are always trying to compare the two games. They are both physical, violent sports, but the rules dictate a different type of player. I enjoy both, I just wish they televised rugby here more often (maybe during the spring when all that is on is baseball and basketball :san_angry: ).

[Alexanderofmacedon]

5 - 1 in favor of rugby...

Hehe:san_rolleyes:

[DemonArchangel]

Let's see... getting tackled by large angry American, or getting tackled by large angry Commonwealth citizen.

Neither.

Oh and note that not all football or rugby players are large. All of them are strong however. It does take extraordinary athletic skill in order to play both games (and a healthy love of being pain.)

[Hurin_Rules]

wow Do you know why the average NFL football players life is 55 22 years younger than the average american?

Yes. Steroids.


P.S.: I like both. But average life expectancy is greatly reduced for many in the NFL because of substance abuse. Just ask Lyle Alzedo or Bill Romanowski.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Rugby consists of the meanest, hard headed, bastards that you'll ever meet
Meet Stade Français, the biggest team in Paris then:

http://www.ohlalaparis.com/photos/uncategorized/stade_francais_pink.jpg

Watch the tv-commercial for their DVD here. (http://www.stade.fr/common/videos/index_WM_gr.phtml?ID=596)

(And do check out their annual calendar! Posting a link will get me banned for life, so you'll have to do a google search yourself).

[Alexanderofmacedon]

LOL, that's cool...I bet they like all those sweaty men all entangled...:san_lipsrsealed:

[Ronin]

on one hand rubgy is a much more pure sport....and it doesn´t have the sissy pads that are used in american football....


on the other hand american football is more spectacular to be seen on tv....with the long passing shots, the cheerleaders and all that.....

both of the above points ae completelly mute tough since real football kicks both their asses!!!! :san_laugh:

[Reverend Joe]

Between Rugby and Football, I will go with the more violent sport, Rugby. The fact is, though, I much prefer baseball, even though it has gotten rather fowled up in recent years.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Doesn't American Football have breaks in play for TV ads?

That's an instant loss right there.

[Adrian II]

Ozzie: 'Play rugger?'
Frenchman: 'Let's go.'
Welshman: 'I'll kick off.'
American: 'Guys, guys -- can you wait half an hour while I put on a helmet and a mouthpiece and a shitload of protective gear?...'

I mean come on, we know where the real men roam. :san_tongue:

[Slyspy]

Like many non-Americans I can't stand the stop-start nature of American football. This renders the whole thing extremely unexciting for me, even though I can appreciate the tactical elements. A good, flowing game of rugby is far more interesting to my mind.

Drone's post said it all about comparing the games on anything but the level of personal preference.

[mystic brew]

i actually love american football.

And up until 1995, when rugby union went professional, there was no contest in the physicality of the players...

But these days its a different story.

I'd invite anyone to watch a game of european cup or super 12 and say the athletes lose much.

the only reason they aren't as heavy is because they can't go to the sidelines to breath oxygen after a set of plays...

[Strike For The South]

Yes. Steroids.


P.S.: I like both. But average life expectancy is greatly reduced for many in the NFL because of substance abuse. Just ask Lyle Alzedo or Bill Romanowski.

Some of it yes but lately the NFLs testing has become top notch and although guys like Alzado wasted away becuase of choice most did not

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Only if you play a match of rugby!:san_wink:

:san_laugh:

[Tribesman]

yes but lately the NFLs testing has become top notch
Yes , because the failures of the drug testing program were blown wide open in a very public manner .

Ozzie: 'Play rugger?'
Frenchman: 'Let's go.'
Welshman: 'I'll kick off.'
American: 'Guys, guys -- can you wait half an hour while I put on a helmet and a mouthpiece and a shitload of protective gear?...'

American: guys guys --- oh you are kicking , oh thats not me thats another team:san_grin:

[Samurai Waki]

Meet Stade Français, the biggest team in Paris then

I would not like to be tackled by a hulking hairy frenchman in pink spandex. just the thought makes me feel somewhat dirty:san_laugh:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Well so far all this proves is us americans are outnumbered. Im getting really tired of the sissy pads stuff. These things are used as weapons. Just about every american boy has played football with no pads. Im telling you its a lot less violent that way. Ask anyone whos played. You get real brave with all that stuff on. Theve had to make rules about using your helmet for instance, Tell you what. See if you can find some film of some games fron the 60s or earlier before they made all these rules for safteys sake. It was brutal. Believe me you tend to play a lot harder with pads and with far more abandon.

And they dont die early in general because of substance abuse but of physical abuse.


the only reason they aren't as heavy is because they can't go to the sidelines to breath oxygen after a set of plays...

How about the Backs in football? Their not heavy and their fast as hell. Receivers also.

As for the starting and stopping thats the whole beauty of the game. Stratagey is a huge part of the game and every play is a battle in a war to gain territory or hold it.

[ShadesWolf]

US football was created by a bunch of panzy Yanks who wanted to win something. So they created a sport that is played for 1 hr but takes 6 hours to complete, so the yanks can have a rest between each jog

Men in body armour, I ask you what a load of...........

:san_laugh:

Just my two pence worth from the home of the RUGBY world cup winner. :san_grin:
Or sorry to upset you YANKS as you have not/ will never win a WORLD CUP :san_kiss:

[Quid]

I used to enjoy watching American Football...until I saw the first game of rugby, that is. For me, there is nothing more enjoyable than a good game of rugger; be it myself playing or any of the top Northern/Southeren Hemisphere.

I also find the on and off of an American Football game extremely tiresome. And the refs throwing in the little yellow tissues when a foul is committed I find...well, never mind.

Overall, the choice is clear to me. Rugby anytime. Nothing in the world compared to Lomu trampling down the entire English defense or carrying five French players over the line with him. Brilliant.

Quid

[Prodigal]

Ive recently "butted heads" with a few orgahs whos country shall not be named and they apprently think rugby can compare to American football.
Noo it doesn't, see rugby players don't wear any pansy-boy padding. BooooYahh

[Samurai Waki]

:san_laugh: It's funny how people try to always downplay the padding. As Gawain said previously, it just gives people an excuse to hit someone else harder. I think some of the worst hits I've ever taken in my life were from HS Football, however THE worst hits I've ever taken in my life were from Rugby...I've cracked my ribs several times, broken a few fingers, my nose twice, and my collar bone twice...I'm just lucky I haven't had the luxury of breaking my arm,leg, or jaw yet. Now that I think about it, I shouldn't even be on here chatting with intellectual types:san_grin:

[Ianofsmeg16]

SFTS, you have never played rugby have you?

[Duke Malcolm]

I would say it is wrong to say Rugby doesn't involve much tactics. It is just that the tactics are told at the beginning of the game while the coach might shout on a few instructions during it as if it was a battle, whilst relying on the improvisation of the players.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I would say it is wrong to say Rugby doesn't involve much tactics. It is just that the tactics are told at the beginning of the game

You see thats the difference. Football is a far more strategic game. Its played just like a war. Every play is drawn out and practiced. Amd there ar options off ever play depending on what defense is called . If you ever look at how they draw them it looks like an invasion plan. Its strike and counter strike. They take pictures of every play like airial recon and disect whats going on and adjust to it.

[m52nickerson]

Rugby is the tougher sport.

Football takes more skill.

How I know this, Rugby and Soccer player who play in the NFL are Punters and Kickers. I don't think that any Rugby player could throw a perfect pass to a receiver 50 yards down the field as he was taking a hit.

Now the pads. They are used to keep players in the game. If you have ever seen a NFL wide receiver go across the middle of the field and get destroyed by a Safety you would know this. Without the pads both players would be out of the game, and most likely a few games. People what to see the stars of the game play, not sit out.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Rugby is the tougher sport.

Football takes more skill.

How I know this, Rugby and Soccer player who play in the NFL are Punters and Kickers

And are the poorest athletes generally on thier teams and considered pansies by the fans.:san_grin:

[Strike For The South]

https://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2783/stroudroytsup28kc.th.jpg (https://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stroudroytsup28kc.jpg)Everyone meet Roy. Roy plays on the 2nd teir college level. Lets see what you boys can come up with

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Or take a look at the greatest linebacker ever to play the Game

Lawrence Taylor (http://www.extremesportclips.com/viewvideo.php?vid=299&sec=mr&cid=)

Wait till the end and the reverse angle.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6302787114.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Ser Clegane]

Or take a look at the greatest linebacker ever to play the Game

Indeed - Taylor was quite a monster...

Actually these Rugby/American Football/ (real :san_grin: ) Football discussions that pop up every once i a while have a somewhat amusing touch :san_laugh:

(slightly) OT - I wonder if the Seahawks will finally be able to get something done in this season's playoffs (so many disappointments in the past)...

[Fragony]

I don't understand the rules of american football, maybe it is a lot more interesting when you do. To the layman's eye it seems like nothing is really happening, it just looks boring to me so I have to go with the real thing.

[Alrowan]

3-1 now in favour of rugby, i tihnk the majority know a good thing when theyre onto it

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Again all it proves is theres less americans here than others.

[Geoffrey S]

Why would non-Brits choose Rugby over American Football on a nationalist basis, as you seem to be implying?

[GiantMonkeyMan]

american football is a good game but i just prefere rugby.... its more fun to play (my opinion) and watch plus you also get the all blacks doing the haka which is such a cool way for a team to open a game :san_grin:

[Mikeus Caesar]

Its played just like a war.

No wonder you Americans like it so much.

Rugby FTW!

[Ianofsmeg16]

I love both rugby and American football, i just don't agree with SFTS calling it euro pansy tag until he's been in a scrum, been kicked in the gonads for a ball and sniffed the sweat of a real man in a real sport....either that or he could stop calling it euro pansy tag and call it rugby :)
So, what will it be, Rugby match or proper grammer?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Why would non-Brits choose Rugby over American Football on a nationalist basis, as you seem to be implying?


Because most of them niether understand it or watch very much of it. Thats the same reason most of us americans wouldnt vote for rugby. Ive never seen a full game and dont know any of the rules at all. Theve obviously been exposed to rugby far more than we are here. Heck most americans are lucky to even know about soccer. Football is by far the most exciting game in the world. No need to watch all those other sissy sports :san_laugh:

[Samurai Waki]

Just watched the Redskins-Cowboys Game. Well Sort of. Wasn't much of a game. Redskins killed the Cowboys 35-7, which in my book is a never a bad thing. Maybe it's my seething hatred towards Dallas.:san_grin:

Football is a great sport to watch, and even more fun to play. And this game proved that people DO get injured in Football, several concussions, and someone tore a hamstring, so it's not like padding makes you invincible, just less of a chance that you'll end up mentally retarded one day.

I just like playing Rugby because it's rules are straight forward, and you can unleash some stress or rage without feeling too guilty about it. In football you have to be a bit more disciplined, just because you have a bone to pick with someone doesn't mean you go out and beat the living crap out of them, unless you really want to lose.

[Just A Girl]

Play without the padding and what you got there that you call American foot ball,.
Is in fact Rugby league With forward passes and off the ball blocking allowed.

Rugby league already sux without you destroying it futher with removing 2 crucial rules.
(No forward passing, No blocking of tacklers)
apart from those 2 rules and the fact some where along the way you decided you no longer haft to TOUCH The ball DOWN in the end zone to score a "Touch Down"
The game is the same.
Same rules about how many turns you get to try and reach the end,

Same cick the ball over for points or reach the end for more points.

You even line up the same when you start as they do in rugby league.
with 1 man passing the ball back.
but in rugby league your only allowed to tackle the guy with the ball.

American foot ball is boring compared to rugby league,
and rugby league is boring compared to rugby union,
"i think thats why american footbal MUST have cheer leaders, Othere wize it would be boring"

The Real Game is rugby union,
With Rucks and scrummages.

Where if you get knocked out, Tough. Some 1 will drag you out of the ruck using there feet to your face,

Where offside player are allowed to be treated as a ball.
Yes you can kick em out of the way.

and of course.
The lovely blood sub,
Where if you sustain a hideous injury,
you can walk off to the side get it sewn up then come back and rejoin the game,

All this without stupid Im a big girl Padding and a helmet.

Ah yes,
I love rugby union
Where men are men, And women squirm at the carnage.

P.s

By the sounds of the post topic,
yove only ever seen rugby league,
Where when you get tackled you stop and line up again like you do in american football

Rugby union is by no means "tag" lol :)
You get tackled there,
Both teams jump on you Then try to kick you in the face so your not near the ball any more,
Whilst other team members try to remove players from above you so they can get to the ball.

I sudgest you watch some ruby union.
im shure you will soon turn white and change your tune :)

P.P.S

if you check the org map,
It seems there are Quite a few americans on the org so you cant try that outnumbered stuff,

If you dont like that fact rugby is better Then you shouldnt have started a poll,

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Play without the padding and what you got there that you call American foot ball,.
Is in fact Rugby league With forward passes and off the ball blocking allowed.


Do you understand the rules of american football?


(No forward passing, No blocking of tacklers)
apart from those 2 rules and the fact some where along the way you decided you no longer haft to TOUCH The ball DOWN in the end zone to score a "Touch Down"
The game is the same.
Same rules about how many turns you get to try and reach the end,


There are no rules in football about how many turns you get to try and reach the end,

You even line up the same when you start as they do in rugby league.
with 1 man passing the ball back.
but in rugby league your only allowed to tackle the guy with the ball.


You can only tackle the man with the ball infootball as well. They might start off with passing the ball back but things get very different after that. Are there downs in rugby?


American foot ball is boring compared to rugby league,
and rugby league is boring compared to rugby union,
"i think thats why american footbal MUST have cheer leaders, Othere wize it would be boring"


Because you dont know whats going on,

About the injuries. You get more little boo boos in rugby for sure. But people die playing football pads and all every year.

This stuffa bout the pads is like saying soldiers who wear helmets and body armor are sissys.

[Just A Girl]

Ok
Watch this.
(sorry about the dodjy music "if you can call it that")
http://shoguntw.2ya.com/1.wmv

"Tag" LMAO

And you Must Have DOWNWARD pressure on the ball when you Touch it down in the end zone in rugby, (Called a Try)

Just throwing it and doing a silly lil dance would = No points and you get tackled in rugby.

And ive watched american football,
After 5 failed atempts to go 10 yards you "punt" the ball,
Same as rugby league exept in rugby league its A number of trys to score, not a number of trys to manage to gain 10 poxy yards,
(and your allowed to throw the damn ball forward so its not actualy difficult to go 10 yards compared with doing it in rugby league)

So again rugby is a tougher game.
And thats just rugby league. "the one women play"

you cant compare Rugby union to american football.
Rugby union chews em up and spits the weaklings out,
If you die without padding,
You aint tough enough to play,


as for off the ball tackeling,

When you guys start .
You all line up
1 guy throws the ball back.

And then every 1 without a ball Tackles eachother to protect the guy with the ball,


so all i said was right,
The rules are similar only you guys can pass forward and block or tackle people who dont have the ball.
And you only haft to go 10 poxy yards before the Attempts counter is reset,
"i beleve you call them Downs"

So dunno what your talking about,

But you shure dont sound like you watch any of the games.


1 bad thing about rugby union is..
If some 1 gets knocked out or theres a big fight.
Theyl mention it 1ce,
and then you get no replays Cos its such a common occurance.
But thats Not all bad, Least you get back to the action.

American football Is boring however.
I prolly watched 2 whole seasons of it when it was on chanel 4.
i understand the game 100%
It just sux.

So there goes your "you dont understand the game" Argument,
And Your
"americans are out numbered" argument

Prety soon it will be,
"I hate you all Im right The world is wrong"

But we both know,
In the case of a majoraty saying 1 thing is better than the other.
The "you dont understand" argument aint gonna cut squat.

Maby you will Relize your wrong After you actualy watch some rugby union,
becous I have watched all the versions of rugby,
And I have watched your american football.

And i understan all the games fully,
You dont seem to.

[Strike For The South]

we need to import some Bubbas inta jolly old england we will see then

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Ok
Watch this.
(sorry about the dodjy music "if you can call it that")
http://shoguntw.2ya.com/1.wmv


Looks like fun. But the hits arent as hard as in football. Yur guys tend to keep their heads up when hit, Whatch an NFL runningback. They lower their heads and deliver a blow when someone trys to tackle them. They hit much harder in football. How do you think people die from it?



And ive watched american football,
After 5 failed atempts to go 10 yeards you "punt" the ball,
Same as rugby league exept in rugby league its A number of trys to score,

I knew you were cluless . No offense. Im the same on rugby. First off there are 4 downs in football not five. If you make it past the 1st down marker(10 yrads from where you first got the ball) then it goes back to first down. Generaly if after three trys you didnt make it you kick or punt the ball. If your close you can try to kick a fieldgoal.


So again rugby is a tougher game.
And thats just rugby league. "the one women play"


Baloney. It looks like school yard football. Again all us americans play football without pads. When you put them on it brings a whole new ferocity to the game. Football without pads is much less violent.


Im not shure you know the rules to american football or rugby mf

I admited I dont no the rules of rugby but you claim to know football. Its very obvious your almost as cluless on it as I am of rugby. It looks more like what we call salugee here. Thats a kids game by the way. Again it looks like great fun. I prefer australian rules football over that as far as Ive seen though.

[Strike For The South]

Hey watch this guys leg http://www.extremesportclips.com/viewvideo.php?vid=312&sec=ct&cid=8

Funny you Euros havent posted anything. While me a the GMAN have:san_kiss:

[Just A Girl]

Hey watch this guys leg http://www.extremesportclips.com/viewvideo.php?vid=312&sec=ct&cid=8

Funny you Euros havent posted anything. While me a the GMAN have:san_kiss:


Ive seen worse Football Injury's (soccer)

And i have posted a WMV of rugby tackles,

Ok
Watch this.
(sorry about the dodjy music "if you can call it that")
http://shoguntw.2ya.com/1.wmv

I would go look for rugby Injurys, But Children view this site.

P.s

The WMV is of Rugby League,
Rugby union is not as wimpy as this.

the diference being 1ce the tacle is made in the video. thats the end of the play basically.

in rugby union,
you would then tackel the tackeler and any other people coming for the ball,
Also you charge in to your own players backs trying to force the opponets back far enough so the ball is on your side.
All the time your Using the studs on your boot to umm Encourage the guy who is on the flor to moove.

Usualy ends up in torn clothes n skin before ref says Thats enough Lets have a scrumage.

And thats basically just a biger version of what just happend,
I doubt a American football team would stand up in a scrummage.
Theyd prolly colaps of exhaustion before the ball was even played in.

id apretiate if you guys watched a whole 80 mins of rugby union.
Atleast then you would have an idea about the game.

if you care to know,
Out of all the sports i could watch,

I only like,
Snooker
Boxing
K1
Ufc
and
Rugby union.

I disslike rugby league, Although its better than american football,
I disslike ice hockey,
I disslike Football (soccer) You know the 1 where you hit the ball with your foot.

I disslike All other sports to tell u the truth,
There boring,

And although Snooker is boring, I enjoy to sit n watch snooker.

[m52nickerson]

your allowed to throw the damn ball forward so its not actualy difficult to go 10 yards compared with doing it in rugby league

When you guys start .
You all line up
1 guy throws the ball back.

And then every 1 without a ball Tackles eachother to protect the guy with the ball,



Yes you can throw the ball forward, but it is not that easy to complete a pass.

You can only tackle the player with the ball. You can block defenders durning the play, but there are rules on how you can do it.

There is A LOT more strategy in American football then almost any other sport in the world. Most NFL team have any were from 600 - 1000 offensive plays, and 200 - 300 defensive plays. Not to mention the almost unlimited formation you can use on each side of the ball. If nothing else the complexity of the game makes it fun to watch.

So unless you can tell me what a 2 deep man coverage is you don't know enough about football.

[Just A Girl]

Yes you can throw the ball forward, but it is not that easy to complete a pass.

You can only tackle the player with the ball. You can block defenders durning the play, but there are rules on how you can do it.

There is A LOT more strategy in American football then almost any other sport in the world. Most NFL team have any were from 600 - 1000 offensive plays, and 200 - 300 defensive plays. Not to mention the almost unlimited formation you can use on each side of the ball. If nothing else the complexity of the game makes it fun to watch.

So unless you can tell me what a 2 deep man coverage is you don't know enough about football.

"So unless you can tell me what a 2 deep man coverage is you don't know enough about football"

In the Man to Man Coverage Defense the "open" DE and the strong side LB are responsible for the back coming out of the back field, and the DE to the strong side is responsible for detaining the TE on the line of scrummage.

Heres a Pic.
http://members.tripod.com/~joehutch/dasbook/man.gif
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So now ive told you what you wanted me to...

can you explain to me what a catch in your own 22 means in rugby. And what you haft to shout to make Something "special" happen,
Also When does a touch back mean you get the ball and when does it means the opponents get a 5 yard scrum,

and id like you to tell me what offside is,

I guess if you cant answer You dont know Enough about rugby,
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[Strike For The South]

In the Man to Man Coverage Defense the "open" DE and the strong side LB are responsible for the back coming out of the back field, and the DE to the strong side is responsible for detaining the TE on the line of scrummage.


That could be what we call a stunt but it is not a regular play and that stunt would never be run in the NFL. The DE are used for rushing 99& of the time. Diffrent teams run diffrent Schems with diffrent plays not to mention all the adapting for the opopnent.

[Ianofsmeg16]

we need to import some Bubbas inta jolly old england we will see then
If you do, come over to the isle of man, play a game with my school, but beware, if you aint dirty by the end of the game prepare to get beatings! :san_grin:

we kinda have this rule that states if your legs aint dirty then you havnt been playing properly, therefore you are worthy of pinches, punches and whipping

[Slyspy]

I get the rules and the basic tactics of American football (I'm no expert) and still find it boring because they spend so long doing nothing. It is good to see a play used successfully (or foiled at the last minute) but the time spent out of play seems disproportionate to the time spent in play. Sorry, but there it is.

[English assassin]

BKS said it all. Amercian football has advert breaks. Thank you gentlemen, I think we can see where your priorities lie...

[Just A Girl]

If you got rid of the Forward passing, and made them touch the ball to the floor when they get to the end zone to socre,
I think american football would be a reasonable game,

But play 40 min halves.
And none of that time out nonsense.

[Geoffrey S]

Because most of them niether understand it or watch very much of it. Thats the same reason most of us americans wouldnt vote for rugby. Ive never seen a full game and dont know any of the rules at all. Theve obviously been exposed to rugby far more than we are here. Heck most americans are lucky to even know about soccer. Football is by far the most exciting game in the world. No need to watch all those other sissy sports :san_laugh:
Rugby's just as unwatched and not understood outside of Britain as American Football outside the US, hence there's no real reason for people outside either nation to vote either way with any particular prejudice; logically, the correct choice would be Gah!.

Edit: thinking about it, you've got a point. At first glance Rugby is more violent because of the lack of padding, but whether this is the case is a matter of debate as this topic has proven; people knowing little to nothing of either sport would thus be more inclined to vote for rugby. I concede the point.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Rugby's just as unwatched and not understood outside of Britain as American Football outside the US,
*cough, Ireland, France, Italy, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand cough*

[Gawain of Orkeny]

"So unless you can tell me what a 2 deep man coverage is you don't know enough about football"

In the Man to Man Coverage Defense the "open" DE and the strong side LB are responsible for the back coming out of the back field, and the DE to the strong side is responsible for detaining the TE on the line of scrummage.

Heres a Pic.

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So now ive told you what you wanted me to...

can you explain to me what a catch in your own 22 means in rugby. And what you haft to shout to make Something "special" happen,
Also When does a touch back mean you get the ball and when does it means the opponents get a 5 yard scrum,

and id like you to tell me what offside is,


Offside means you crossed the line of scrimmage(the line the ball is spotted on) before the ball was hiked.

I cant believe he asks 2 deep man coverage is and you came up with that. You should be able to google better than that.

Hwere look at this. It may give some of you an idea of the complexity and strategy of football.




Two deep Zone defense

Presented by Coach Paul Manera, President of the AGCA, Head Coach of the 2001/2002 Australian Outback National Team and Head Coach of UTS Gridiron in the NSWGFL.




Cover Two Introduction
Cover two is a Zone defensive Pass Coverage scheme which employs Five underneath Defenders and Two deep defenders. The Five Underneath Defenders (Two Cornerbacks and Three Linebackers) will be responsible for Defending the Underneath Zones (area) which will be 11yds Horizontally and 15 Yards Vertically. The Two deep defenders will be responsible for defending their deep 1/2 of the football Field and their Zones are 27 Yards Horizontally (they overlap) and deeper than the deepest threat in their area.

Lots of diagrams an explanations here (http://www.agca.asn.au/2_deep_coverage.htm)

More


Underneath Coverage (Role vs. the running Game)
The role of the underneath coverage in Base Cover two vs. the Running Game is primary contain. Primary Force in 43 Front can come from the linebackers or corners. The corners will still play pass 1st and run Second but their alignment and vision and Flat zone responsibility will enable them to support on the run very quickly. The Underneath coverage in Base Cover two is solid vs. outside running plays, screens and sweeps. Because the corners are defending the Flat Zone then coordinators have the option to structure their outside linebackers to use either a Force or Spill Technique. . Force technique is when the outside linebackers take on lead blockers with their inside shoulder (maintaining outside leverage) and staying square to the line of scrimmage and one yard deep in the backfield. On turning the ball carrier back inside they want to constrict the inside gap to make the cutback lane as small as possible and force the ball carrier back inside to the pursuit. If your corners are physical and can tackle then another option in cover two would be to spill everything to the outside. Spill Technique is when the outside linebackers can penetrate into the backfield and get inside leverage on the Lead Blockers on outside runs and force the Ball carrier to bounce outside. By Bouncing the ball carrier outside the Defense will now get help from the cornerbacks. When using spill technique it is important to force the ball carrier to bounce as deep in the backfield as possible, and force the ball carrier to run laterally as long as possible. This will give more time for the inside Defenders to make their reads and get off Offensive Blockers to pursuit. This will also give your corners more time to complete their pass duties and come up and support. It will also help your corner to make a side on (angle tackle) instead of a Front on Tackle (to help compensate on a Potential physical mismatch). An added bonus of spill Technique is that you have the Help from the sideline. The sideline never misses a tackle so you now have two stationary Defenders. If your going to use spill technique then ensure that your linebackers have enough speed to pursue the bounced ball carrier and your corners are worthy tacklers.

Underneath Coverage (Role vs. Passing Game)

The role of the underneath Coverage in the passing game is to Defend their zones and create a High Brick wall for the quarterback to throw over. The underneath coverage must force the Quarterback to throw the football either across the face (outside) of the underneath Zone or underneath (under the underneath Zones) If the Quarterback wants to go Deep then the underneath coverage should force him to throw over their outstretched arms. By doing this the ball is in the air longer and this gives the defense more time to get to the intended reception point. It is also very important for the underneath coverage to collision the receivers and impede their progress downfield as well as reroute receivers. The Underneath coverage in Cover Two is strong in the flat (short outside area) which provides good coverage for the short passing game and the out routes by #2.

Impeding the receivers release downfield will assist the safeties from being vertically stretched from the underneath coverage. If the safeties are too vertically stretched then this will open up a big seam for the intermediate routes between the linebackers and the safeties. When rerouting receivers the Defense should try and force #1 to release inside and wall off #2 and #3 from running a divider Route down the middle and splitting the two safeties.

We reroute receivers to prevent the horizontal stretch. If the Safety is too Horizontally stretched then it will be Hard for him to cover more than one receiver in his zone. Which is detrimental to the coverage scheme. Rerouting is the term used meaning to not let the receiver move in a certain direction. For our corners to reroute #1 to the inside we will need to have an outside leverage. To reroute #2 and #3 to the outside we will need to have an inside leverage.

Deep Coverage (Role vs. the running Game)

The role of the deep coverage vs. the running game is secondary run support. The deep coverage will not play the run until the ball carrier crosses the LOS. The Playside safety on Run will support in the alley (the area between the Offensive Tackle and the sideline) and the Backside Safety will support for cutback. The Backside corner back (in underneath coverage) will take a pursuit angle and defend against the Touchdown Run.

Deep Coverage (Role vs. the Passing Game)

In Defending their area the deep ½ defenders will always try to force the Underneath Pass in the Seam (between the Linebackers and Safeties) or Force the Deep Pass Down the sideline (so the ball is in the air Longer and because they have help from the sideline). In order for this to Happen the safeties need to have vertical leverage (be deeper than any threat in their area) and their alignment needs to be on the Hash to approximately two yards outside the Hash. If the safety has two deep defenders in his zone he needs to split them Horizontally and vertically be deeper.

Positional Techniques.

Corners. In cover two Defense it is the corners Job to Defend the flat Zone and give good underneath Support for the safeties working over the top. Although the corners primary responsibility is to Defend the flat his most important task is to collision his nearest receiving threat (slow up his vertical Release) and force him to take an inside release (re restrict the Horizontal stretch). If the corner can both slow up the vertical release of the receiver and force him inside , then the corresponding safety who is Defending the deep ½ will have a much better chance of being able to cover The Deep outside threat as well as the deep inside threat. On top of that the vertical Distance from the deep coverage to the underneath coverage (intermediate seam) will be constricted which will force the Quarterback to Lob the ball into the intermediate area.

Alignment: The corners need to align so that they can maintain outside leverage on the #1 Receiver. This can be done from a press position on the LOS or from a drop position (5-7) yards from the LOS. From the press position the corners will need to align at the LOS on the outside Number of #1. From the Drop position the corners alignment can vary it usually is 5-7 yards from the LOS and 1 Yard outside #1.

As discussed earlier it is the corners job to Jam the receiver and force him to take an inside release and to also impede his ability to get downfield. The corner can Jam the receiver from either the press Position or from a drop position.

Jamming from the Press Position.

The advantage of this is being able to give a more solid Two handed Jam on the receiver at the LOS. Also the defense can disguise the coverage and make it look like Bump and Run

(Man to Man )Coverage. The disadvantage is the peripheral vision of the corner which restricts his ability to key both the quarterback and the release of his 1st threat. When Jamming the receiver the corner must keep his shoulders square to the LOS so he can look through the inside of his zone to see the Quarterback. He must not turn his head or his hips to the outside and should shuffle to stay square.

Jamming the receiver from the Drop position

The advantage of this is a better angle for peripheral vision to be able to key the Lane of the football and the release of the nearest threats. The disadvantage of this is that the receiver has more room to fool you and he also has more space to accelerate off the LOS and is harder to effect. It is also a little harder to get the two handed Jam on the receiver without turning your shoulders or hips. The important coaching points is to laterally shuffle either inside or outside to maintain outside leverage.

Technique vs. Inside release by #1
If #1 releases inside we need to shuffle laterally so that we can jam his outside number with our hands. If he has good position to the inside we can one arm Jam him with our nearest (Inside ) Hand. If there are no other threats we can stay on his outside shoulder and keep our eyes peripherally on our zone and looking in towards the quarterback. We stay on #1 and impede him and reroute him to the inside, we then release him and weave (back Peddle at angle looking at the QB) to a depth of 12 Yards and we settle on the Numbers. (8-9) yards from the sideline. On Pass Plays we should always be alert for the Vertical stretch. This is when the Offense will put a receiver underneath and a complimentary receiver over the top.

Technique vs Outside release by #1
If #1 releases to the outside then we will shuffle keeping our shoulders square to the LOS and maintain Outside leverage.

If the corner looses outside leverage on the #1 Receiver then he should only use his outside hand to one arm jam #1. He then must “Zone Turn” (open up hips to inside looking back to QB) and sprint to the numbers 12 Yards from the LOS. Turn to the inside and see the QB and drop to his area which is 12 yards from the LOS and on the numbers.

Keying the Ball Lanes.

If the Lane of the football is in the (3 Lane) or at an angle (2 lane to or away) or Rolls out ( 4 lane to you) then Jam the receiver and force him to take an inside release.

If the Ball is in the 1 Lane to then the corner will disregard his pass responsibilities and redirect towards the LOS. He will aim 1 yard inside the Receiver, so that the receiver will have to fight for inside position. The corner will then loop to the outside and maintain outside leverage on the Receiver. This will constrict the alley and force the ball inside for the pursuit. The Near side safety will pick up the #1 receiver for Option or Half Back Pass. If it is option the corner will have the Pitch Man.

If the lane of the football is in the 1or 4 Lane away from You then drop and make sure that you keep everything inside and in front of you. You will now drop deeper in this situation as you will have time to react for the Throwback screen or reverse back into your flat area.

Positional Technique

Safeties. In cover two defense it is the responsibility of the safeties to defend the Deep 1/2 against the deep pass and provide over the top support for the underneath coverage.
Safeties Alignment: The safeties will align on the Hash and will be 12 yards from the LOS.

Safeties Keys (To You). The Safeties will key the Lane of the football and their nearest threats. If the Lane of the football is in the 2 or 3 Lane then work to get depth on the Hash. If the Ball is in the 1 or 4 Lane to you then drop towards the pylon and adjust to #1 or the new #1 (eg #2 does wheel route).



Safeties Keys (away from you). If the lane of the football is in the 1 Lane away from you and it is towards passing strength. Eg (the Ball goes to the side with the most Number of receivers) then Flatten towards the opposite Hash and be ready for the Play action Pass down the hash to #2. If #2 to passing strength releases to outside (for wheel or out route) then look to rob the Post by #1.

If the Ball is in the 4 Lane away from you then drop toward the middle of the field and play the deep middle zone. The Corner to your side will gain depth and squeeze the Backside post keeping everything in Front and inside.

Maintain Location: When defending the Deep Half The safety needs to favour the inner part of the Zone. The Field is almost 54 Yards wide therefore each Half Field safety's Zone is 27 yards wide. The Distance from the Sideline to the Hash is 20 yards, so if the safety is 2 yards outside the hash his alignment will be 18 yards from the sideline and 9 yards from the middle of the field. The safety favours the inner part of his Zone because it takes less Time for the ball to Travel down the middle that it does for the ball to travel down the sideline (assuming that the ball is in the middle of the field) therefore the safety has more time to get to the sideline to cover the sideline Route.



Now how can you compare rugby to that?

[Slyspy]

Has I have already said, despite all the tactical elements in American football I still find rugby more exciting to watch.

[Geoffrey S]

*cough, Ireland, France, Italy, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand cough*
Is that more than the population of the US, or does that represent a large proportion of the Guild than the US? I don't know to be honest, but admittedly a case could be made for there being more people here who have experienced rugby than people who have enough knowledge about American football.

I didn't realise rugby was popular in France though; it's certainly virtually unknown in Holland, and I presumed it was much the same outside (former) Commonwealth nations.

[drone]

I didn't realise rugby was popular in France though; it's certainly virtually unknown in Holland, and I presumed it was much the same outside (former) Commonwealth nations.
France is hosting the 2007 Rugby World Cup, and they beat the All-Blacks in the 1999 World Cup semifinal. It's played all over, but the powers are generally Commonwealth nations.

[The Stranger]

Ive recently "butted heads" with a few orgahs whos country shall not be named and they apprently think rugby can compare to American football. I will post now what I said there

wow Do you know why the average NFL football players life is 55 22 years younger than the average american? Have you seen Eric Dickerson or Gale Sayers latley? Does Rugby have 6'6 300 Lb men who can run sub 5 sec 40s? Men who can bench 500 squat 1000 lbs? How many people die in Rugby each year? Last year in Texas highschool football 5 kids died from on field injuries. Rugby is a rough game of tag with tiny men.

no i only said it was a rougher and harder sport...not that it was any better...SOCCER RULES THE WORLD...no arguement :san_lipsrsealed:

[Quid]

I didn't realise rugby was popular in France though; it's certainly virtually unknown in Holland, and I presumed it was much the same outside (former) Commonwealth nations.

And yet you have one of the biggest European club tournaments in Amsterdam - The Heineken 7s (that's what it's called if memory serves me correctly).

Quid

[Soulforged]

*cough, Ireland, France, Italy, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand cough*
Argentina, Uruguay and other South American countries too.

[Just A Girl]

Could we all, Go watch 80 mins of rugby union.
and A full game of american football. Before we continuethis debate?

Thers no real point otherwize.


P.s
Your virtualy correct with the offside,

Also you cant tacle a player if you were behind him when the ball was played to him.
you must be on your side of the ball when the ball was played to him or you cant tackle as you were offside,

You didnt seem to mention anything about The touch back,

Or the catching the ball in your own 22 question.

BUt
Rugby Is the better game,
As the poll clearly shows,

Whats in question here is peoples understanding,
It takes a special kind of blindness to see poll results like these, and yet still say every 1 els is wrong.
Truth of the matter is American football aint that good to watch,

MAke a play,
"FUMBLE"
Time out.
Huddle

Make a Play
"tacled"
Time out,

Huddle talk,
Make a play
Touch down/


"watch the lil teenagers Show off there Panties" (The real reason ppl watch american foot ball)

Do it again
"YAWN"

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You didnt seem to mention anything about The touch back,


Are you speaking to me?

A touchback in football means the ball was kicked into the end zone and is spotted on the 20 yard line instead of running the kick out f the endzone. It also occurs if the ball uis kicked off and goes out of the endzone.


Or the catching the ball in your own 22 question.




Whats the question again?


Rugby Is the better game,
As the poll clearly shows,


Oh please. Which one do you think more people watch and which sport pays better? If were going to go bu popularity then football trounces it. Its just as I said not that many americans here.


MAke a play,
"FUMBLE"
Time out.
Huddle

Make a Play
"tacled"
Time out,

Huddle talk,
Make a play
Touch down/


All ypur showing here is your ignorance of the game. You only get 3 time outs per half.

Again rugby looks like the kids gae salugee. Its very unorganised as compared to football and has little if any of the strategic values that football does. Football is as much a mental game as a phyisical one. And there is no way in hell people hit as hard in rugby as they do in football.

[Just A Girl]

Are you speaking to me?

A touchback in football means the ball was kicked into the end zone and is spotted on the 20 yard line instead of running the kick out f the endzone. It also occurs if the ball uis kicked off and goes out of the endzone.



Whats the question again?



Oh please. Which one do you think more people watch and which sport pays better? If were going to go bu popularity then football trounces it. Its just as I said not that many americans here.



All ypur showing here is your ignorance of the game. You only get 3 time outs per half.

Again rugby looks like the kids gae salugee. Its very unorganised as compared to football and has little if any of the strategic values that football does. Football is as much a mental game as a phyisical one. And there is no way in hell people hit as hard in rugby as they do in football.


You obviously dont know ANYTHING about rugby.

Plesae Watch atleast 1 whole game of rugby union.
And i will also watch some american football.

Just so we can actualy debate this point In A Reasonable manner.

At this rate we just tell eachother You dont know enough about the game

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

well, my answer is so mindnumbingly obvious that I'll let you all speculate rather than state it here.

When I was little we used to get the edited version of American football. It was far better than what I see in the U.S. as there were:
1. far fewer interruptions.
2. you got to see the whole game in a couple of hours rather than 4 or 5 hours (to be honest I couldn't sit and watch even an entire quarter of realtime American football, but God bless the cheerleaders though).

[Gawain of Orkeny]

God bless the cheerleaders

Only some teams have cheerleaders. My team doesnt and I never even thought about it. Cheerleaders are for college games and those who dont know whats going on. It takes more intellect to appreciate football. Rugby is a mess.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Gawain,

I'm sorry, I prefer some distraction (that's not the team of commentators droning on) when teams are swapping about, time outs going on etc.

Trust me, I used to have a good grip on it when I didn't have to spend the best part of a day watching a single game.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I'm sorry, I prefer some distraction (that's not the team of commentators droning on) when teams are swapping about, time outs going on etc.


Thats what commercials are for. And announcers. If your taliking about seeing it live thats another matter. Do any of you out there know how hard it is to get a ticket for an NFL game?

And again if your going by poularity only soccer comes close to football and thats pretty much the world vs the US and its still about even in popularity with mostly just us watching it. Rugbys not even on the chart. Id rather watch Ice Hockey. They hit hardrer in hockey than in football or rugby or just about anything else.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Gawain, sadly the commercial stations in the UK devote less air time to advertisements than their U.S. counterparts.

I think I'd actually like to see the full spectacle in person though. Tell me how much do tickets go for?

I may have to save up.

[Kanamori]

To get season tickets for the Packers, I think the waiting line is predicted at about 70 years. Put your kid in line, and he should be able to get them. Not sure if all the teams have similar waiting lines for season tickets, but I would imagine so.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

wouldn't it suck if your kid turned out to not like football?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I think I'd actually like to see the full spectacle in person though. Tell me how much do tickets go for?


Well for my team the New York Giants there sold out for like the next 50 years. In general the only way you can get them is through a scalper for just about any NFL team. You can buy them online for between 250 and 800 dollars.

[Kanamori]

My waiting line is longer than yours.:san_grin:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You obviously dont know ANYTHING about rugby.


I said that right from the start. Ive seen clips of it a few times .


Plesae Watch atleast 1 whole game of rugby union.


And just where am I supposed to find his elusive game? Oh I forgot its more popular than american football. LOL

[Just A Girl]

Rugby is very organized.
its just you dont understand the game enough.

Its why i keep asking you to watch a game,

if you become disorganized you loose the game.
Every 1 has a place to be and a reason to be there.

Its more technical than you imagine.

And Why dont you go watch one of the USA rugby teams play?
http://www.usarugbysuperleague.com/template.php

I cant guarantee that the game will be ANYWHERE near as good as the standard we expect from our players.
But seeing as you think its Elusive,
thought id point out the USA super Leauge for you.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

if you become disorganized you loose the game.
Every 1 has a place to be and a reason to be there.

Its more technical than you imagine.


Its still in no way close to being as organized or technical as football. Again each team hase over 1000 offensive plays at least . These are practised over an over. Special plays are drawn up for special occassions. It takes a week just to prepare the plans and team for the next game. Its like no other sport on earth. Rugby is simple compared to it. I dont think you have any idea of how many rules their actually are. Theres even rules on how you wear your uniform.

[Just A Girl]

http://shoguntw.2ya.com/soccer-pole.wmv

Dont laugh to hard.:san_laugh:


-EDIT-
how come this post is now here?
It used to have its own thread
and how come the american football vs rugby thread has changed names...???

[Just A Girl]

For all you know there could be a billion possible plays practiced in rugby,
you just dont know....
you cant possibly say 1 is more technical than the other if you dont know anything about the one your comparing 2...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Ok give me some Rugby formations and stratagies.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Leave it to a woman to post that but isnt there a thread for this type of thing?

[Just A Girl]

I didnt say there were billions. I said for all you Know...

Im just saying you dont know enough about rugby to be able to say these things so defiantly.

I have watched american football games, And they are boring.
maby they are more technical Probably what makes em so boring IMO.

then.. you as far as i know havent ever seen a rugby match,
and you dont seem to even want to acknowlage rugby exists and is played Every where,

or the fact that american football is the one which is a localized event due to lack of world wide suport for the game,

Is that becous the game is so popular?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Now hereshttp://www.metacafe.com/watch/37869/footballs_biggest_hits/ some real hitting.


and you dont seem to even want to acknowlage rugby exists and is played Every where,


I have no doubt Id love watching the game. It looks very excitting, A sort of simplified version of football.

[Just A Girl]

Quote from the link you posted......

"nfl vs rugby
i'd have to say both games are tough and physically demanding otherwise people writing on this site wouldn't feel so staunchly and passionately about each sport. Myself i'm a rugby man thru and thru."
so if we count his vote... thats
14 american football votes.
45 rugby.
14 GAH.


Personally I think rugby tackles would hurt more As there is no pading.
And although american football players may only go in to a tackle whole heartedly when they have padding,
Rugby players arnt so wimpy.

:bow:

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

:jawdrop: $250++++!!!!!!!!!!:jawdrop:

:jawdrop:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Personally I think rugby tackles would hurt more As there is no pading.
And although american football players may only go in to a tackle whole heartedly when they have padding,
Rugby players arnt so wimpy.


Did you watch the clip I posted? Theres no way rugby players hit that hard. Its human nature. You would die without the padding. Heck they die with it.


so if we count his vote... thats
14 american football votes.
45 rugby.
14 GAH.


How many americans voted for rugby 1?

[Just A Girl]

How many americans voted for rugby 1?

I dont Know :(
Something happend and now this topic has a diferent name and the poll dissapeared.

But i know a few americans who prefer rugby,
quite a few play the game,
americans even came to play vs the irish in 2001,

so its not like all americans think like you do....


P.s

just before the poll disapeared.
The votes were
American football 14
rugby 44
Gah 14

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

One of my (very Irish yet American) girlfriend's cousins plays football for his high school, but he also plays rugby.

I will ask him at Christmas dinner about his opinion.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

so its not like all americans think like you do....


The only american here who voted rugby was Tak I believe and he doesnt like most things american. If you took a poll of americans I have no doubt 99% would vote for football. 85% would ask whats rugby?

[Just A Girl]

The only american here who voted rugby was Tak I believe and he doesnt like most things american. If you took a poll of americans I have no doubt 99% would vote for football. 85% would ask whats rugby?

dont you mean 85% would say whats rugby.
15% say they prefer rugby.

try to bear in mind your one of the 85% who dont have much of a clue about rugby.

[Kagemusha]

I say Gah! My favourite team sport is icehockey.It has complex tactics lot of speed and its also very physical sport.

[Just A Girl]

I say Gah! My favourite team sport is icehockey.It has complex tactics lot of speed and its also very physical sport.


Shall we all tell him why ice hokey cant compare...?
Or should we just let him get away with such blasphemy ?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

dont you mean 85% would say whats rugby.
15% say they prefer rugby.


No I mean just what I said.


try to bear in mind your one of the 85% who dont have much of a clue about rugby.

No Im one of the 15% who have heard of it. 15% still dont have much of a clue about rugby but theve heard of it. Im a sports nut. I watch all kinds of sports. I watch australian fooball and its a gas. Those guys are nuts. Look this is a matter of taste. Your entitled to your opinion, But trying to make out that rugby is more popular than football is a joke. Its not even close. Again only soccer comes close to football in popularity and thats because its played by the whole world. Baseball here our national pastme doesnt even come close.

Again did you watch the last clip I posted? You cant tell me people get hit like that in rugby.

[Just A Girl]

Austrailian rules is basically rugby but with more goals,

The link you posted was a page of text.
And how can a sport that is confined to america be more poular than a sport played all over the world including america?

[Kagemusha]

Shall we all tell him why ice hokey cant compare...?
Or should we just let him get away with such blasphemy ?

By all means gentlemen.Please tell me.:san_wink:

[Fragony]

And how can a sport that is confined to america be more poular than a sport played all over the world including america?

Didn't you know? The world is america :san_wink:

Always funny to hear americans about them dominating the real sports, the sports only they play :san_grin: American football = gay pride gone wrong.

[Just A Girl]

By all means gentlemen.Please tell me.:san_wink:


Hokey where i come from is a womans game,
Ice skating where i come from is a womans game.
Padding where i come from is for women
ther are FOUR Quaters not 3.

The only redeeming factor ice hokey has is that you can have a 1 v 1 fight,
But honestly id rather go watch a boxing match than sit through "3 quaters" of an ice hokey game in the hope there may be a fight.


Didn't you know? The world is america :san_wink:

Always funny to hear americans about them dominating the real sports, the sports only they play :san_grin: American football = gay pride gone wrong.

Gah.
I forgot All about AMERICA being the entire planet,
(well north america South america Isnt conciderd america by people in the USA)

I should know that the USA = The entier planet. I mean the "world seriese" is just america!!!!
Gah.
Im so dumb at times! How could i have thought the world consisted of anything more then The united states

[BDC]

I find the tight trousers and heavy faux-muscle padding of American football quite... gay.

Very off putting. I'd rather take the pink spandex-wearing French team.

[Ser Clegane]

And how can a sport that is confined to america be more poular than a sport played all over the world including america?

I think Gawain was actually just comparing the popularity in the US, were American Football certainly enjoys the highest popularity.

I doubt that he would go as far as claiming that American Football would be more popular than soccer/football on a global level.

[Kagemusha]

Hokey where i come from is a womans game,
Ice skating where i come from is a womans game.
Padding where i come from is for women
ther are FOUR Quaters not 3.

The only redeeming factor ice hokey has is that you can have a 1 v 1 fight,
But honestly id rather go watch a boxing match than sit through "3 quaters" of an ice hokey game in the hope there may be a fight.


I see your point there.Where i come from its not considered womans game.You should try it sometime.The difference between rugby and hockey is in hockey is that when you are hit in the hockey game you are not only checked in the free areas but also against boards of the ring.The reason you need padding is that with skates you can go lot faster then run.If you would play hockey without paddings you would be hospitalized after few chances.I think you have mixed up figure skating and icehockey.:san_grin:

[Fragony]

I find the tight trousers and heavy faux-muscle padding of American football quite... gay.


Indeed, there is something very homo-erotic about the whole thing. Won't be picking up soap in that shower, someone may just prove he is the alpha-male bonobo style.

[Just A Girl]

I think Gawain was actually just comparing the popularity in the US, were American Football certainly enjoys the highest popularity.

I doubt that he would go as far as claiming that American Football would be more popular than soccer/football on a global level.

Honestly to me...
football (soccer) Vs american football.
is an even race. I find both games Boring as hell lol.

Soccer....

kick off pass from center forward to attacking mid, Attacking mid passes to defender. Defender hits a long ball up to man on the wing,
Intercepted by the defence.

A break. And counter attack,
ball is fumbled out of play,
And thats how it goes,

American football...

Start Throw the ball back people make there runs..
Hit a long ball up to a man on the wing,
intercepted by the defence.

A Break and counter attack.
Ball is fumbled out of play,

See what i mean?

the tactical game play is Almost Exactly the same for both, But with Soccer you dont get so many breaks to reassess why your loosing.
and of course in 1 of them you use your feet.

to me There both Boring as hell.

however
In rugby you cant pass forward.
So the entire team has to move in unison in A staggered effect.
So they can keep playing the ball to a team mate,
(The players them selfs must be very organised and work well as a team)
Its a constant charging game, Always pushing forward.
Tackle after tackle, And you dont stop after a tackle,
You throw more men at the ball.
Heads clashing together people get knocked out, Only to be kicked aside cos they fell on top of the ball.

Although its A dificult game to gain ground in, A loose man with a well placed kick can run 1/2 the feild
And then catch the ball That he him self kicked.
Only to get taken out with a high diving tackle to the neck.

Ah yes.
Its a Wonderful game

The other 2 dont come close!

[Strike For The South]

In football you can hit anyone in almost anyway (as long as you dont grab the face mask) In Rugby cant you only hit the ball carrier in limted ways? IE no going for his knees.

[Just A Girl]

In football you can hit anyone in almost anyway (as long as you dont grab the face mask) In Rugby cant you only hit the ball carrier in limted ways? IE no going for his knees.


a tackel must be below sholder height...
So no going for the head.

But that dosent mean they dont clothesline eachother if they feel like its gonna win them the game. Or stop the guy passing them.

Fingers in the eye aint uncommon,

Also if you Put a man up in the Air, Your responsible for him hiting the floor safley.

[Kanamori]

Gay would be if they started slapping each other on their oh-so-muscular bottoms...:san_wink:



:san_lipsrsealed: I didn't mean it.

Why are we still having this discussion. You guys can just admit that real football is better and move on~;)


Any sporting event is a good time to crack open a few brews...~:grouphug:

[Ldvs]

Rugby is shamefully unorganized. As Gawain said, the strength of football lies in the careful execution of a plan.
Yeah but 3 hours of "game" is... rather tedious. I'll grant you, US Handball is a good way to fight insomnia, though.

[Just A Girl]

But its not dissorganized,
If they were dissorganized they couldnt pass the ball,

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
I think Gawain was actually just comparing the popularity in the US, were American Football certainly enjoys the highest popularity.

I doubt that he would go as far as claiming that American Football would be more popular than soccer/football on a global level.

Exactly. Though football is a close second.





Soccer....

kick off pass from center forward to attacking mid, Attacking mid passes to defender. Defender hits a long ball up to man on the wing,
Intercepted by the defence.

A break. And counter attack,
ball is fumbled out of play,
And thats how it goes,

American football...

Start Throw the ball back people make there runs..
Hit a long ball up to a man on the wing,
intercepted by the defence.

A Break and counter attack.
Ball is fumbled out of play,

See what i mean?

the tactical game play is Almost Exactly the same for both, But with Soccer you dont get so many breaks to reassess why your loosing.
and of course in 1 of them you use your feet.



The only part thats the same is the size of the field , both have 11 players and in both your trying to move the ball down the field. We actually enjoy the break between the plays. Thats half the game trying to figure out what they will do next. You have no idea of the complexity of this game.


however
In rugby you cant pass forward.


Well that settles it. You just took half the fun out of the game.


So the entire team has to move in unison in A staggered effect.


Oh how exciting!!!!!!!!!!


(The players them selfs must be very organised and work well as a team)
Its a constant charging game, Always pushing forward.
Tackle after tackle, And you dont stop after a tackle,
You throw more men at the ball.
Heads clashing together people get knocked out, Only to be kicked aside cos they fell on top of the ball.


Again sounds exactly like salugee only in that game the idea is to just keep the ball as much as you can and theres no scoring its a kids game.

Now once more. You can like rugby all you want. You can claim its a better game.But to try to say a poll here on these boards proves it is ludicrous to say the least. Try checking the facts. If your goig to go by which is more popular(watched) then football wins hands down. Theres no money in rugby as compared to football. If there was it would be televised everywhere like the NFL.

The spirit of the thread seems to be centered around which group of athletes is tougher, though.

I'd be interested to see a top-flight group of rugby players go up against a top-flight group of football players in neutral events to determine who has superior athletic ability. The four main types, which are common to both sports, would seem to be strength, speed, endurance, and agility.

You could either go with a Battle of the Network Stars type setup, or something like the NFL combine. The former would be infinitely more entertaining, with events like the obstacle course, tug-of-war, steeplechase, etc. The latter, though, would probably be more accurate. Even though the games are played much differently, the core athletic abilities required are very similar.

How about this series of drills (what they measure in parentheses):

40 yard dash: A player runs 40 yards as fast as he can. He is timed at three increments: 10, 20 and 40 yards. (Pure speed from Point A to Point B under ideal conditions)

225 lb. bench press: The player lies on a weight bench and lifts a 225-pound barbell as many times as he can. He has to lower it to his chest each time to count as a legitimate repetition. (Strength and conditioning)

20 yard shuttle: The player straddles a yard line and puts one hand down in a three-point stance. He can start by going either right or left. Let's say he starts at the 5, with the goal line to his right. He runs 5 yards to his right and touches the goal line with his right hand. He then runs 10 yards to his left and touches the 10-yard line with his left hand. He finishes by running back to the 5. (Lateral quickness, coordination and change of direction)

60 yard shuttle: From a starting line, a player runs 5 yards and back, then 10 yards and back, then 15 yards and back. He must bend down and touch the line at each 5-, 10- and 15-yard interval, for a total of six touches. (Speed, endurance and conditioning)

Vertical jump: The player stands flat-footed and raises his arm straight up. His reach is measured from the ground to the tip of his fingers with a telescopic ruler. The pole is lowered to that height. The player then jumps straight up and hits as many plastic flags as he can. The flags, spaced half an inch apart, rotate when hit. (Vertical leg explosion)

Broad jump: The player puts his toes on a line and leaps forward. Distance is measured from the line to where his heels land. (Leg explosion, quickness and lateral burst)

3 cone drill: Three orange cones are placed on the field forming an "L." Cone 1 is at the end of the L, Cone 2 is at the corner of the L and Cone 3 is at the top of the L. There are 5 yards between each cone. The player starts by getting down in a three-point stance next to Cone 1. He runs to Cone 2, bends down and touches a line with his right hand. Then he turns and runs back to Cone 1, bends down and touches that line with his right hand. Then he runs back to Cone 2 and around the outside of it, weaves inside Cone 3 (as if he were running a figure eight), then cuts tightly around the outside of Cones 3 and 2 before finishing at Cone 1 in a full sprint. (Speed, quickness, flexibility, change of direction, body control)

100 yard dash: A player runs 40 yards as fast as he can. (Speed and endurance)

1/4 mile run: A player runs 1/4 mile as fast as he can. (Speed, conditioning, and endurance)

Description of most of the drills from here (http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/combine/combineinfo.asp).

I added the 100 yard dash and 1/4 mile run because rugby is more of a constant motion game, and therefore thought that there should be more drills that measured endurance and conditioning rather than just burst and raw strength.


I will say this thread has spurred an interest in rugby and I intend to find a game on the tv someday. I guess Ill have to up my cable.

[ScionTheWorm]

I find it funny how americans are so against soccer and calls it a sissy sport only because they are afraid that such a kick ass sport may erase their culture. I've heard it's become a political issue, for example John Kerry had to keep it secret that he liked the sport during the election campaign

regarding rugby vs american football I'll shut up. actually I believe american is as violent as rugby, but I really can't tell.

[Just A Girl]

well im glad you may watch rugby some time,

Prehaps we can continue this debate then :).

And i think id like to see 15 all star american foot ballers vs 15 of the best rugby players
In a full game of rugby.

[master of the puppets]

lets shall, football is better than rugby...why...uh i dunno, i barely watch either but since football is more american,

FOOTBALL

[Fragony]

All sports that are played profesionally are very strategic I guess. Same with american football probably, but it is so boring to watch, clash, wait, repeat. In football you have formations, attacks, counters, the game flows.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

to clarify:

not all of these sports are just like rugby but slightly different.
Aussie rules is pretty similar to Gaelic football.

most of the games have something in common like a ball that can be handled as well as kicked.

That's it (except for Aussie rules and Gaelic football).

[master of the puppets]

it flows?, its just a copuple o people runnin after a ball either evading or passing. hell if i dosed up my cats on katnip and gave um a ball of yarn, TA-DA a soccer match, and a very violent one at that.

[Fragony]

it flows?, its just a copuple o people runnin after a ball either evading or passing. hell if i dosed up my cats on katnip and gave um a ball of yarn, TA-DA a soccer match, and a very violent one at that.

At least it isn't paused every 10 seconds, it is a strategic game between two teams that just keeps going, it is about breaking eachothers formations, outsmarting them. I am sure that there is some strategy involved in bumping into eachother all the time without any result at all, but it just seems lame to me. And the rest of the world agrees :san_laugh:

[Just A Girl]

it flows?, its just a copuple o people runnin after a ball either evading or passing. hell if i dosed up my cats on katnip and gave um a ball of yarn, TA-DA a soccer match, and a very violent one at that.
At least it isn't paused every 10 seconds, it is a strategic game between two teams that just keeps going, it is about breaking eachothers formations, outsmarting them. I am sure that there is some strategy involved in bumping into eachother all the time without any result at all, but it just seems lame to me. And the rest of the world agrees :san_laugh:


Im telling ya they both suck compared to rugby union,
Its the only real sport!

so get ya heads down and ruck up.

[Fragony]

Im telling ya they both suck compared to rugby union,
Its the only real sport!

so get ya heads down and ruck up.

Loved to play it at school, but it isn't very alive here in Holland, as far as I know there isn't even a national team. Out of the 3 sports rugby sure as hell is the most violent one, football is a no-contact sport and with these american football uniforms you could fall 100m and still survive. It is a great game for sure.

[Strike For The South]

Loved to play it at school, but it isn't very alive here in Holland, as far as I know there isn't even a national team. Out of the 3 sports rugby sure as hell is the most violent one, football is a no-contact sport and with these american football uniforms you could fall 100m and still survive. It is a great game for sure.

have you ever put the pads on

[Fragony]

have you ever put the pads on

Can't say I have, but rugby and american football are pretty similar, but with the american variety you have all sorts of protection, I don't see what is so hardcore about all that.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

And i think id like to see 15 all star american foot ballers vs 15 of the best rugby players
In a full game of rugby.


No doubt the rugby guys would win. Im sure theres plenty of skill and techniqe involved. But if the Rugby guys tried to take them in foorball it wopuld be a total massacre and they would never even score a point. Theresa a lot more to NFL football than havig the best atheletes.


football is a no-contact sport and with these american football uniforms you could fall 100m and still survive

So your cluless on the matter. Again you hit a lot harder with pads on. Not only that their used as weapons.

Again for any of you who missed it watch THIS (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/37869/footballs_biggest_hits/) and tell me football is a no-contact sport .


PS pay close attention to the black and white clips. In the old days tackling people by what ever you could grab was perfectly legal incuding the helmet. Also clotheslines and crackback blocks were legal. They had to change the rules to keep people alive.

[Strike For The South]

Can't say I have, but rugby and american football are pretty similar, but with the american variety you have all sorts of protection, I don't see what is so hardcore about all that.

Well the pads are there to enable a bigger hit not deable it. If look at Gawains video you will see Eric Dickerson lower his head and plow straghit through someone. I would much rather play football without pads for the simple reason it would hurt less. If you have ever taken a helmet to the gut you would know what I mean

[Just A Girl]

Dont wear the damn helmet....
Then you dont need the dumb pads.
If you die cos some 1 tackeld ya full blooded Just cos you had no padding,
you shouldnt have been on the feild,
Throw some 1 who isnt strong or fit enough in to a game of rugby and The chances are high they could die.
same with american football, If there not capable of surviving a tackel without needing padding.
Dont put em in the game,

[Strike For The South]

Dont wear the damn helmet....
Then you dont need the dumb pads.
If you die cos some 1 tackeld ya full blooded Just cos you had no padding,
you shouldnt have been on the feild,
Throw some 1 who isnt strong or fit enough in to a game of rugby and The chances are high they could die.
same with american football, If there not capable of surviving a tackel without needing padding.
Dont put em in the game,

Yes but I dont want to play rugby I want to play the tougher game AMERICAN FOOTBALL. It hurts more with padding!

[Gawain of Orkeny]

If look at Gawains video you will see Eric Dickerson lower his head and plow straghit through someone.

You noticed that one to huh? :san_laugh: I want to see a hit like that in Rugby. Speed is a much bigger factor in football. More speed equals more energy. Thats why hockey players have to wear pads as well. Now dont go trying to tell me Hockey players are wimps. If any of you doubt you play harder with pads think about soccer. I played on a championship team in HS so I know what soccers about. If yoy play without shin pads you dont play half as hard as with them. A good cup helps as well.:san_rolleyes: Are soccer players sissys as well?

PS I heard the other night that Massachusetts wants to make helmets mandatory for soccer.



Measure calls for soccer helmets
Value of headgear is much debated
By Russell Nichols and Raja Mishra, Globe Staff | December 14, 2005

Like football and hockey players, soccer players would have to don helmets on the field to protect their heads, under a new legislative proposal.


No other states appear to have passed a similar law, Massachusetts lawmakers and physicians said. The proposal marks the first time this debate, which has long roiled the youth soccer world, has spilled into the state's political arena.

With strong evidence of long-term neurological damage among a portion of veteran soccer players, some soccer officials, parents, and physicians around the nation have recently been pushing for more safety measures for young players, including an outright ban on heading, an integral part of the world's most popular sport.



http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/12/14/measure_calls_for_soccer_helmets/

[Just A Girl]

LMAO.
some Americans ar trying to make it so you cant play soccer without helmets now??
"puts american football pads in to perspective if they think soccer needs helmets lol"

Damn u guys are the bomb!

and i never wore shin pads in my. life although i used to play football for a team in the local area league.

You dont need shin pads to go in whole hertedly, You dont Think Oh i dont have shin pads i better not go in for this tackle.
Well atleast i dont.

and i still cant find the video you linked 2....

[Gawain of Orkeny]

and i still cant find the video you linked 2....

Then you need glasses
:san_laugh:

HERE (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/37869/footballs_biggest_hits/)

[Gawain of Orkeny]

and i never wore shin pads in my. life although i used to play football for a team in the local area league.


I suppose your proffessional teams dont wear then as well. Besides you just a girl :san_grin:

[Just A Girl]

I had to disable A few sequrity features for that video to work.
Should have told me it was embeded in the page lol, I was looking for a nother link.
:focus:
Those hits arent any more impressive than rugby hits,

The illigal Spear tackle or high tacles in rugby, Can be compared to the most spectacular 1's here,
When they hapen to you in rugby...
(and dont think they dont cos they do)
You dont stand back up again and clap
"which is what the padding seems to allow your football players to do",
In Rugby Your gonna be down for a while,

And professional footballers (soccer players)
Are THE Wimpiest Bunch of Big girls You have EVER seen,
They dint use to be,
But these days they fall over at the drop of a hat,
They roll over like theyve been Shot in the head, Screaming in agony And rolling about,
Then you see the replay. And he wasnt even Touched,

Foot ball (soccer) can be compared to american football Becous the tacktical game is prety damn similar.
Both have Set pieces you practice over and over with an almost unlimited number of plays you can do
"although in soccer they dont get to talk it over for 20 mins in the middle of the game",
both have formations,
Both games tend to pass the ball back to allow players time to go forward before Launching the ball up the feild.

Soccer players Use more skill, But american football is more ruged,
oh and one of them use there feet not there hands.
And there both boring to watch.
"although some soccer games are good for the whole 90 mins"
so i guess you can compare football (soccer) and american football And i wouldnt be able to tell you which one is the better game,

But,
I dont think Any 1 will ever be able to tell me rugby isnt the best game ever.

And i find it hard to beleve that any one who watches both american football and rugby could prefer american football.
Although I can imagine it could be possible.

EDIT

Actualy I cant imagine it being possible.
I tired for a while.

And I cant see it happening.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Mass. rocks!!!!!

When will they make everyone live in nice safe plastic bubbles?

[Just A Girl]

Mass. rocks!!!!!

When will they make everyone live in nice safe plastic bubbles?

When Massachusetts Rule the world....

[m52nickerson]

No doubt the rugby guys would win. Im sure theres plenty of skill and techniqe involved.


I doubt it, NFL players would be faster and stronger. I can't see many Rugby players taking down a NFL running back like Jerome Bettis, or Willis Mcgahee. Plus I don't see ANY Rugby player getting past a Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher.

[Just A Girl]

Well not if they had padding on....
But if there was no padding it would be a game worth watching.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Well not if they had padding on....
But if there was no padding it would be a game worth watching.

No padding would make them faster. Besides you have been claiming it makes no difference and that they hit just as hard without it. Some of you dont seem to realise that NFL players are world class atheletes in many sports. Most of all in track and field. They are as fast as you get and big and strong besides.

Are you now saying that they would give your rugby team a fight in their own sport? Again the best rugby players in the world would be lucky to make even one first down vs an NFL team.

[Just A Girl]

I doubt they Would Want to play American football... ...
compared to rugby. It just aint any good.

They probably would be able to do what you do and gain the distance "1st down," with a simple grubber kick or an up and under,
Rugby league guys would Easily get to your try line in 4 turns as thats how they usualy play any way, "that game sux 2"
Also you wouldnt get the time to talk over what ya gonna do next after you tackle them either,
Cos the game continues.
And of course No time outs and unlimited subs.
So you guys would prolly pass out after the 1st 40 mins of play,

Now....
"With the up and under kick 1 man makes the pass and catches the pass."
"with a grubber kick the ball is kicked like a foot ball (soccer ball) So it travels along the ground, whilst the player chaces it, he can continue to use grubber kicks untill he reaches your try line then fall on the ball To (Touch it down)"

So thats 2 ways 1 person can compleat 1 down on his own,
Rathere than Throw the ball Forward to a team mate which just ruins the game,

AS for the padding,
Only reason I dont want it there Is becous Its for Lil sissy girls.
Play with the pading and Tackles become useless.
If your scared of geting hurt, DONT PLAY THE GAME!.
"Personaly i like seeing a man Knocked out in the middle of the feild whilst the game carrys on around them"

Same for soccer, If you Think you need helmets to play safley.
DONT PLAY THE GAME!.

P.s

I tried to watch some aerican football the other day,

I managed to watch 1 play Which consisted of a man throwing the ball to his team mate
"was a decent enough throw"
Followed by his team mate crossing the line and making a silly lil dance and throwing the ball.
"NO TRY" or would be in a real game where people are allowed to stop you touching the ball down by holding the ball off the floor.

I then noticed That it dosent matter where you guys cross the try line. You always cick the conversion from the center.
In rugby if you want to get a nice easy conversion you must touch the ball down In the cenetr of the try area.
if you touch the ball down on the left side of the area.
Your cick will be more difficult as you must cick from the same distance but from the left hand side of the feild, Which greatly reduces possibllatys of you kicking the conversion if you make a slight mistake.

No wonder the Longest cick ever recorded was a rugby conversion,
Which was a whole 10 yards futhere than the longest ever american football kick,
Also the ball continued to travel after he scored the conversion. So 10yards futher is an understaement.

Any way.
Back to me watching american football.
After I watched them Pass forward,
Throw the ball on the floor,
and then get a conversion cick awarded in the nicest place possible...

I decided i could not watch anymore of it.
and changed over to
Gleison vs dreigion. playing Rugby union.
Or as there english names would literaly translate to:
Bruises vs dragons.

Was a much better game, Even Jonah Lomu was playing,
A verry nice suprize indeed.
He even scored a try.

Lots of turn overs and some 1 got knocked out as play carried on (prety much always happens)
It was also Highlights.
But the highlights lasted 70 mins lol.
So only 10mins of the game were concidered not to be worth watching.

Im shure that American football Higlights would Remove more than 10 mins from their higlights Just becous its so tedious.

Actualy in all honesty,
The only game I know That Plays almost 100% of the game in the highlights is rugby,

Even in foot ball (socer)
Out of the 90 mins played the highlights only last 5-15 mins.

And concidering Rugby games last 80mins,
And the games High lights lasted 70 mins....
You can easily see which game Is the most exiting to watch.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

They probably would be able to do what you do and gain the distance "1st down," with a simple grubber kick or an up and under,


You would of course have to play by the rules od football and this would be illegal a. Again I doubt they could gain more than 3 yards in four tries vs an NFL team and that would be through nothing but sheer athletic ability.


No wonder the Longest cick ever recorded was a rugby conversion,
Which was a whole 10 yards futhere than the longest ever american football kick,


And how long was that kick. I believe the NFL record is 63 yards.

I must say you remain totally cluless as to anything in football.

[Just A Girl]

Look it up Mf I already told you it was 10 yards futher than the longest Ever american football kick,
So do the maths.

And I was watching wales vs ierland repeats of when wales won the grand slam.
And
Wales made a 52 yard kick look Way to easy. and had plenty more on it after it scored.
(52 yards was impressive But Nothing compared to the longest kick)


Im a bit dissapointed in your argument,
As i have taken the time to compile a lot of data about american football, And have watched the game,

Seeing as you dont know as much about rugby as i know about american foot ball,
I feel as-though you should Try to Enlighten your self,

read this....

Rugby Facts

* Rugby started at the Rugby School, which is located in the town of Rugby, in the Midlands of England.

* On January 26, 1871, the Rugby Football Union (RFU) was formed.

* On March 27, 1871, the first international rugby match was played. Scotland beat England in Edinburgh by a goal and a "try to a try" (points were not set yet), and there were 20 players on each team (15 today).

* Prince William plays rugby for St. Andrews University in Scotland.

* Rugby is traditionally played for two 40-minute halves, on a football-sized field.

* There are more than 65,000 active rugby participants in the United States.

* There are more 1,400 rugby clubs in the United States.

* 79 percent of active players are between the age 18 and 34.

* The most popular club sport on American college campuses is rugby.

* A national champion is crowned every year at club (Division I, II, and III) collegiate, military, and high school levels.

* A world champion is crowned every four years.

Its from This web page here..
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KWG/is_2003_Summer/ai_111506457

This web page is cheifley american So most of the facts revolve around the USA.
And they tend to neglect facts from the rest of the world.
Still its a good place to start i guess.
It also contains facts about american football.
And soccer,

Note " The most popular club sport on American college campuses is rugby."

Your welcome to keep saying
"You dont know squat about american football"
if you like,
But every day I gain more knowlage about the game, I watch snipets of the game when i can bring my self to doing so. I read web pages with facts and stats on the game. And it still sux.

So say what you like,
but prety soon You wont have a leg to stand on unless you start learning about rugby.

[Redleg]

Look it up Mf I already told you it was 10 yards futher than the longest Ever football kick,
So do the maths.

Instead of tellin people go look it up in a such an offensive manner - why don't you provide a link. You might want to check your math (its do the math - not do the maths) - since your wrong - the longest Rugby kick for a score is significantly more then 10 yards greater then the longest kick for a field goal for American Football. And you might want to get your terms correct - many American football kickers kick farther then 63 yards - but that is the record for a scoring kick. You might want to see how many kickoff's are actually into the end zone from the 35 yard line. THe math for that is the kick is more then 65 yards.


The kick was measured at 81 yards by two students from Cambridge after the game, however, Ernie talking on TalkSport on Sunday, April 4, said he thinks the kick was actually longer than 81 yards, in that the measure was only to the nearest post and not in between the posts which is the traditional measure today. Using this method, the kick would have been closer to 90 yards which is the entire length of a rugby pitch.

http://www.planet-rugby.com/Teams/England/story_35433.shtml

So even your math skills are questionable in this thread.

Then you might want to check out the longest punts which are also a kicking of the ball.




Yards Name Game when
98 Steve O'Neal NY Jets vs Denver (9/21/69)
94 Joe Lintzenich Chi Bears vs NYG (11/16/31)
93 Shawn McCarthy New England vs Buffalo (11/3/91)

[Ser Clegane]

I think this thread has gone past its expiration date.

Closed