little red book [Archive]

nokhor

12-20-2005, 23:19

InsaneApache

12-21-2005, 00:21

This is the Onion right?

If it's not...then arise Paul Revere freedom needs an advocate.

(bet we're next)

:san_embarassed:

Kaiser of Arabia

12-21-2005, 01:53

Sucks for the commie SOBs. Good for America. I support.

Kralizec

12-21-2005, 02:23

Poor Kaiser, one of these days he's going to be harrassed by Homeland Security because he owns a copy of Mein Kampf, and a German dictionary :san_rolleyes:

IrishMike

12-21-2005, 02:35

Next thing you know were gonna have the Department of Your Friendly Big Brother. Wonder if I'm gonna get a vist for listening to RATM? (If the story was true and all)

Kaiser of Arabia

12-21-2005, 02:36

Poor Kaiser, one of these days he's going to be harrassed by Homeland Security because he owns a copy of Mein Kampf, and a German dictionary :san_rolleyes:
I own neither :san_wink:

solypsist

12-21-2005, 02:47

the guy was a student writing a paper on communism. i can imagine the precedent this could set

you (future and current) students better hope your profs assign only topics you can get out of the bible. then you'll be safe.

Sucks for the commie SOBs. Good for America. I support.

bmolsson

12-21-2005, 03:40

I own neither :san_wink:

Liberal trash !!!! ~;)

Franconicus

12-21-2005, 10:16

I own neither :san_wink:
No use to deny it.
By the way: You have a German code name, you are member of this 'org.' forum (it is known for its unbalanced position concerning the war against terror).
I really wonder why you are still free. Maybe they observe you to get your plotters. No wait, they could get these informations much faster by torturing you - ups, I meant by a special treatment. :san_smiley:

English assassin

12-21-2005, 10:53

Sucks for the commie SOBs. Good for America. I support.

Kaiser, not wanting to make a big deal about it, but as the tavern is pretty tolerant of your self confessed fascist leanings, don't you think some sort of principle of do unto others ought to point you to being a bit tolerant of other peoples "communist" leanings? Do unto others isn't a big plank of fascist thought I know but I think you can find it in the bible, which I believe you also approve of.

Also if you actually investigated what fascism meant you ought to understand how much you would have in common with someone who approved of Mao's state communism. We could all (sort of) respect a post that said "I am a fascist, and therefore I believe this person should have been free to access information on repressive state-run political systems that are economically inefficient, fail to acknowledge the rights of the individual, and benefit, if they benefit anyone, only those who can work the party system"

Brutus

12-21-2005, 11:21

student requests unabridged little red book from college library and is visited by homeland security. can anybody confirm this incident from another source? i have doubts on this.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm
That is absolutely ridiculous :san_laugh:

I'm pretty sure I can buy this book at my local book store. I've seen it and beheld it's terrible evils - looked pretty lame to me anyway.

By the way, this doesn't go for Mein Kampf, which is prohibited from sale (though not from ownership) in the Netherlands.

Ja'chyra

12-21-2005, 12:06

Kaiser, not wanting to make a big deal about it, but as the tavern is pretty tolerant of your self confessed fascist leanings, don't you think some sort of principle of do unto others ought to point you to being a bit tolerant of other peoples "communist" leanings? Do unto others isn't a big plank of fascist thought I know but I think you can find it in the bible, which I believe you also approve of.

Also if you actually investigated what fascism meant you ought to understand how much you would have in common with someone who approved of Mao's state communism. We could all (sort of) respect a post that said "I am a fascist, and therefore I believe this person should have been free to access information on repressive state-run political systems that are economically inefficient, fail to acknowledge the rights of the individual, and benefit, if they benefit anyone, only those who can work the party system"

It's his hormones EA, they'll settle down once he gets out of his teens.

solypsist

12-21-2005, 12:10

in a related note from the Why Do You Hate Freedom? dept.

"The Ohio Patriot Act has made it to the Taft's desk, and with the stroke of a pen, it would most likely become the toughest terrorism bill in the country. The lengthy piece of legislation would let police arrest people in public places who will not give their names, address and birth dates, even if they are not doing anything wrong."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/wews/3133362

reminds me of something i read elsewhere:

"We need to create an atmosphere such that each citizen feels that without [his government papers] he will be unable to travel anywhere, that the single document confirming his identity is [his government paperwork]. The first question you must ask a detained citizen is - show me your [government id]."

- Genrikh Yagoda, the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs, in a top-secret speech of April 16, 1935 at a conference convened by the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs (NKVD)

GoreBag

12-21-2005, 21:22

Cool, thought police. I hear Firemen used to put out fires, too.

Strike For The South

12-21-2005, 21:25

Wait is this real

GoreBag

12-21-2005, 21:26

Wait is this real

Yes.

Strike For The South

12-21-2005, 21:33

Do these guys try to trample our rights?

Rodion Romanovich

12-21-2005, 22:29

damn, I searched for a pic of Stalin and Lenin together for the "Google this - images of the past" thread in the monastery. Will I be killed now? :san_shocked:

GoreBag

12-21-2005, 23:04

Do these guys try to trample our rights?

Why do you hate freedom? :san_tongue:

I had to say it. Well, Strike, if this is really as common as it made to seem, you have no rights.

Kanamori

12-21-2005, 23:23

Actually, it kind of reminds me of SNL's fake commercial...

"Some say that by airlines using racial profiling, the terrorists win. Why would terrorists want racial profiling? That's how you catch 'em."

Kaiser of Arabia

12-22-2005, 00:30

Kaiser, not wanting to make a big deal about it, but as the tavern is pretty tolerant of your self confessed fascist leanings, don't you think some sort of principle of do unto others ought to point you to being a bit tolerant of other peoples "communist" leanings? Do unto others isn't a big plank of fascist thought I know but I think you can find it in the bible, which I believe you also approve of.

Also if you actually investigated what fascism meant you ought to understand how much you would have in common with someone who approved of Mao's state communism. We could all (sort of) respect a post that said "I am a fascist, and therefore I believe this person should have been free to access information on repressive state-run political systems that are economically inefficient, fail to acknowledge the rights of the individual, and benefit, if they benefit anyone, only those who can work the party system"
The Org as a whole can be tolerant of the Commies, but it is directly within my political doctrine to despise them :san_laugh:

Though I've been told on numerous occasions I'm more of a NeoCon than a Fascist. :san_wink:

Crazed Rabbit

12-22-2005, 00:35

"The Ohio Patriot Act has made it to the Taft's desk, and with the stroke of a pen, it would most likely become the toughest terrorism bill in the country. The lengthy piece of legislation would let police arrest people in public places who will not give their names, address and birth dates, even if they are not doing anything wrong."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/wews/3133362

reminds me of something i read elsewhere:

"We need to create an atmosphere such that each citizen feels that without [his government papers] he will be unable to travel anywhere, that the single document confirming his identity is [his government paperwork]. The first question you must ask a detained citizen is - show me your [government id]."

- Genrikh Yagoda, the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs, in a top-secret speech of April 16, 1935 at a conference convened by the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs (NKVD)

Big news. The SCOTUS has already decided that you can be arrested for not telling a police officer your name.

Unfortunate.

Crazed Rabbit

Quietus

12-22-2005, 04:10

student requests unabridged little red book from college library and is visited by homeland security. can anybody confirm this incident from another source? i have doubts on this.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm

I've read this too. I've also read that Bush approved "surveillances without court approval" which apparently was beyond his scope of power. So it's not any different.

Major Robert Dump

12-22-2005, 06:53

No, you can only be arrested for not telling a police officer your name if you are doing/suspected of doing/witnessed something illegal. Thats what SCOTUS ruled on. If I'm in 7-11 buying a candy bar and a cop wants to know my name because I'm wearing a shirt that says "cops R teh GAY" I don't have to tell him, unless its part of "official" communication due to the aformentioned reasons.

As for the first link at the top of the thread, I'm little apprehensive of stories like this that use anonymous sources. Give us some names, for Gods sake, and stop beating the "I fear for their safety" drum. Basically this story is a person told a person told a person.....

Also, did he fill the form out entirely? Did he leave something blank on the request that caused suspicion? Perhaps someone processing the form alerted authorities and it was not an act of survellance, is he a foreign national and all his other classes are chemistry, agriculture and aviation courses?? Do you get what I'm leaning to here? I want facts, not some drivel from Southcoast newspapers. Whoever made the decision to publish this story is an asshat, its incomplete....its rabble rousing...they know his name LOL and they wont use it. Its not like he's a rape victim.

And for that matter

GoreBag

12-22-2005, 19:03

I've emailed a friend of mine from New Bedford to see if confirmation is possible.

What makes you think a cop isn't going to make something up if he's going to bother asking you for a name and gets only backsass?

t1master

12-22-2005, 19:55

all the hicks in ohio now can pack heat, so the cops gotta have more leverage ;)

GoreBag

12-22-2005, 21:51

Too bad this took place in Mass.

Alright, I heard just now that the Standard Times is the New Bedford local paper, so I doubt that any other news site will be carrying the story.

Major Robert Dump

12-23-2005, 05:19

If the first article is 100% legit, it should and would be ALL OVER the national news because its the kind of crap that stirs people

But the fact that no one else is picking this up makes me doubt its authenticity

KafirChobee

12-23-2005, 08:12

'Tis the newest "urban-myth", though Bushy's allowing for the wire-tapping of Americans without court recognition or approval is a fact. He is the first president to openly admit to an impeachable offence.

Back in the day, 70's and before, to even go into a "Socialist book store" guaranteed your photo being taken by the FBI. Found that out when I went through my first Top Secret clearing (Hearing) - was sorta taken back that anyone would find anything significant about going in a book store (bought 2 books too - the little red book, and Mao on guerrilla warfare). So, moral to the story is: take it for granted that you are probably being watched, especially if you show the slightest hint of curiousity about gaining information about "the enemy". When you live under the umbrella of a paranoid government, don't expect them to act rational or even recognize that its citizens "think" they live in a free democracy. :san_shocked:

Sjakihata

12-23-2005, 12:13

I own that book, in norwegian. If nothing else, it's an exciting history document - and quite funny to cite (in norwegian) when you are really drunk.

solypsist

12-27-2005, 03:17

the kid's a liar.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-24-05/a01lo719.htm

The UMass Dartmouth student who claimed to have been visited by Homeland Security agents over his request for The Little Red Book by Mao Zedong has admitted to making up the entire story. The 22-year-old student tearfully admitted he made the story up.