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O'ETAIPOS
12-29-2005, 21:01
I want to ask why sarissai hasnt got armour piercing ("ap") capabilities?
Both Diodorus (17.84.4) and Plutarch (Vit. Aem. Paul. 20.2) mentions that saissai easly penetrates shield and body protection.

QwertyMIDX
12-30-2005, 23:08
So does a celtic longsword, the problem is that is no variation with the AP attribute so I had to find other ways on handling this sort of thing.

O'ETAIPOS
12-30-2005, 23:47
OK, but with pike the whole concept is targeted on penetration of body defences. Also not all pike units should have it - only those 'better' (pedzetairoi and others) because you have to use the weapon well.

jerby
12-31-2005, 11:15
the AP-atribute (iirc) halves some (dunno wich) parts of the defense. so AP will complicate everythign a bit more. plus: they'll get horribly overpowered when they have the same stats as now but AP...

QwertyMIDX
12-31-2005, 11:57
AP halves the armor level, not the shield though. Anyway, the more trained troops already have attack value boosts, giving them AP would just be addressing the same thing again in a much less controlled fashion. High attack factors effectively negate some armor anyway...if you look at the EDU you'll notice that most units with AP have a much lower attack factor than pike armed troops (who have some of the higher attack factors in the game).

jerby
12-31-2005, 13:08
you mena like the omdranaught? the huge hammer, attk=8, but AP
like that?