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Just A Girl
01-07-2006, 03:29
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=59292
ShambleS ,your approach obviously isn't working yet it seems you are unwilling to change your ways or means in order to make it work. Redleg has given you some good advice if you wish to pursue the communications route, but you have discounted it from the get-go. If the Way is blocked, find another Way instead of just by repeating the same failed methods. Situations such as yours come up 2-3 times a year and too often they follow the same patterns - so much so I wonder if there is a manual for it somewhere on the internet. The gist of it is that in these cases, it is the patron that must change and they must realize that it is they that must change. If they don't recognize they did anything wrong, they are bound to repeat the same mistake again. That is most likely why you aren't getting a reply to your PMs. To your credit, you at least appear to recognize half your mistake.
As I recall, what started you down the road you are on is not what happened to you, but what didn't happen to others - a double standard to your way of thinking. After all you have been through, you are still on that road pointing out where others have done things that you were punished for. It is not a road that will lead you to Org Nirvana. What you really need to do is be concerned for your own behaviour only. Forget about what other patrons are doing. Follow the forum rules and be a good patron. If another patron breaks a rule, whether they are punished or not, be satisfied to know that at least you don't do that. Just because others break a rule doesn't make it okay to break it. Understand that and be happy you are being a good patron.
Please take this advice in the spirit in which it is offered
Thanx for the advice,
but i think il just keep asking till something is done,
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--------EDITED THIS AS IT IMPLYED FORUM ADMIN DONT CARE-----
I mean seriously.
theres no reason given for closing the thread.
you dont mention anything about the matter.
And you expect it to just go away.
----EDITED THIS BIT AS IT WAS PURE SARCASM----.
This is Acceptable language, Guaranteed acceptable in the front room, As thats where Beirut usualy resides.
I dunno Why I bother.
You guys got ya little tin foil hats on and your all trenched up,
I mean really How hard would it have been to say
"We will look in to the matter"
or
"We have decided he is in breich of no rules"
What ever The situation may be,
I have a feeling that the answer your refusing to give is
"We dont care"
Yet you prefer this charade. :juggle2: :wall:
Strike For The South
01-07-2006, 04:00
Hey Gregoshi is more respectable than youll ever be. You are acting like a little kid and Im sick of your stuff. You can leave or shutup but people come here to have a nice time not to see a damn crybaby complian about an internet fourm
Mongoose
01-07-2006, 04:04
I Think Shabmles was flaming Beirut, not Gregoshi.
Gregoshi
01-07-2006, 04:17
ShambleS, you obviously have an axe to grind with Beirut, unfortunately he's the one with the axe.:laugh4:
Ahem, seriously, this is precisely the wrong way to go about it ShambleS. Is it so hard to keep the snide remarks and sarcasm out of your posts? If you want to complain about a mod breaking forum rules, you shouldn't break a few forum rules in lodging your complaint. The situation will only get worse if you continue down this low road you've chosen. I and a few others have tried to help you come to grips with your situation but you seem unwilling - "yeah, but..." is always your reply.
If it is a matter of principle to you, why can't you extend those same principles to your treatment of Beirut? Your conduct towards him has been much worse than any complaint you have about his conduct - at least in the public eye which is the only valid verifiable evidence available.:no:
Since you don't need/want any more help, I'll bow out of this unfortunate episode.
Edit: thanks for the support sfts, but please don't get yourself in hot water doing so. Civility always! Remember that and you'll go far. Beside, mongoose is right - the comments were directed at Beirut so we need to mentally replace my name with "Beirut" in sfts' post.
Mongoose
01-07-2006, 04:54
Why is this thread even being kept open? this is the third time the same content was posted. If a mod chooses to close a thread, then it should stay closed. If you want it re-opened, then PM either the mod who closed it or an admin. This forum is not a democracy- if Tosa Inu wants a thread closed, then it's going to stay closed.
The rules have been posted over and over and over in the Frontroom: The use of the stars to hide profanity is allowed as long as only the stars are used. No partial words or misspellings. Only the stars.
Obviously this rule is looked at on a case by case basis. Directed comments such as "**** you!" are most certainly not allowed.
Since the post in question used only the stars and was in the Frontroom, and since the Frontroom allows the use of the stars, the complaint filed by the user of the Just a Girl account is meaningless.
Reading the rules is advisable prior to complaning about them.
I Think Shabmles was flaming Beirut, not Gregoshi.
:laugh4: quite right! nah.. not his mistake, he never reads something anyway. someone should've said 'trolls: shambles is complaining about beirut, not gregoshi'.
Ja'chyra
01-07-2006, 11:17
Ignore list is your friend, I found it last night and guess who was the first one on it :2thumbsup:
Hello Just A Girl:
An important condition of your continued posting privileges here was that you stay out of the Frontroom forum.
If you have observed that condition, how is it that you can cite observed forum rules violations in the frontroom?
Just A Girl
01-07-2006, 14:06
Tosainu......
I agreed not to post there....
Not that i would not read the posts there. I also agreed that if i needed to reply or make a statement to any post in the front room that i would need to PM that individual...
Or get some 1 els to post 4 me...
With that outlined in a few posts a lil while ago. I dont see where it says I cant Enter the front room.
Has this Changed??
Cos nobody told me.....
Beirut.
If your allowed to do that then I gess you didnt breich The rules.
But that means there are conflicting rules in diferent sections of the forum,
in 1 1/2 of the tavern (The back room)
You cant Mask profanaty with *'s
Id re post the Text that states that you cant do it....
but i already sent you that in the pm,
I dont see why you did not just say,
The rules have been posted over and over and over in the Frontroom: The use of the stars to hide profanity is allowed as long as only the stars are used. No partial words or misspellings. Only the stars.
Obviously this rule is looked at on a case by case basis. Directed comments such as "**** you!" are most certainly not allowed.
Since the post in question used only the stars and was in the Frontroom, and since the Frontroom allows the use of the stars, the complaint filed by the user of the Just a Girl account is meaningless.
Reading the rules is advisable prior to complaning about them.
In the begining when i initaly pm'd you
instead of trying to be awkward.
Never mind.
Got my answer eventualy.
Let me go edit the Sarcastic post i sent a lil while ago when i used the words beirut has been using In a structured sentance.
so new members dont realy start talking like that,
then i guess this 1 can get locked 2
P.s
STFTS.
I didnt attack Gregoshi. I thanked him for his advice.
And said But I think il...
Dont see whats wrong with that.
And i dont understand why you come Read Threads started by me,
if you just complain about em.
P.p.s
Members can ignore me if you wish, just bear in mind, some answers in the apothecary are writen by me,
so if you get a problem Un-ignore me 1st just incase the answers already there by me.
You can ignore me again then if you like.
Ignore list is your friend, I found it last night and guess who was the first one on it :2thumbsup:
Hey thanks for the reminder!
hmmm in order to keep the list to a few people, I will ignore the last part of your post... ~;)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=55942&page=2
#59
Weve come to an arange ment Where i stay out of his way, and we dont address eachother any more,
Just A Girl
01-07-2006, 18:50
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=55942&page=2
#59
If you feel you have a valid complaint about the mods abusing their privileges, that deserves an answer.
The private deal, agreed to by both parties, is there to keep the peace - meaning I ignore the other account in the 20+ other forums as long as that account does not post in the Frontroom.
I dont see where posting diferent statments will get us here...
If im not sposed to view the front room...
tell me,
I mean the agreement was Not to POST.
Also i had been told to PM people replys, so i dont see how that implys that im not allowed to enter the front room.
I mean the agreement was Not to POST.
Also i had been told to PM people replys, so i dont see how that implys that im not allowed to enter the front room.
The agreement was not to post in the frontroom in order to keep to the peace. You have obeyed the letter while completely ignoring the spirit.
This the third time since that affair that you complain about Beirut, the moderator you are supposed to leave alone. I agree that there was a lot of petty abuse directed at you in the previous threads, but on the other hand: you broke the rules, were allowed to return on the condition that you kept the peace, and seek Beirut out again. And again. And again. What are the members (or the forum staff for that matter) supposed to think? You are creating completely the wrong impression.
I still believe you intend well, but you choose to take issue when you are not allowed to. It is not your job nor, given your previous actions, your right to comment on Beirut's behaviour as a moderator. There are plenty of frontroomers who will compain if there was a serious offense. I don't know the particulars of this case, but I doubt anyone was offended by it. Beirut is a respected member and a good moderator.
My advice, if you will take it, is to drop it. Complaining about Beirut will only stir up anger amongst patrons and staff who feel you have been let of lightly and that you are trying to take advantage of that by having another go at Beirut.
Weve come to an arange ment Where i stay out of his way, and we dont address eachother any more,
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=58342&page=2 #59
me and beirut have agreed to stay out of eachothers way as we dont see eye to eye, And altrecations between us could be bad for the org,
Shambles, I will solve this case very easily - when you feel someone in frontroom needs help, send me a PM with what you would post. I will post that in frontroom, so you don't need to break the rules set after 'what happened'...
Just A Girl
01-08-2006, 12:18
Rules are rules,
I still believe you intend well, but you choose to take issue when you are not allowed to. It is not your job nor, given your previous actions, your right to comment on Beirut's behaviour as a moderator. There are plenty of frontroomers who will compain if there was a serious offense. I don't know the particulars of this case, but I doubt anyone was offended by it. Beirut is a respected member and a good moderator.
I know That This time its now me whos draging up the Origional situation. But Its relivant to what you just said.
So here we go again. :rolleyes:
no 1 was offended by the inital joke i posted Yet beirut chose to take issue with it.
I wouldnt mind If he stuck to the rules him self, But IMHO he dosent.
So why should I listen to him,
Way i see it if he went out of his way to get me in to trouble FOR NO APPARENT REASON.
I will continue to seek his rule infringments,
And I will Continue to post them here Untill he
Stops being a hypocryt, or untill the rest of you wake up and smell the coffe.
Dosent matter to me, Im not harassing him Im just keeping an eye on him,
I stay out of his way whilst i do so, And i dont post in the front room, So again, No breich of rules,
Im as clean as a whistle here People, And will continue to be,
Eventually youl understand.
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Tosainu....
I dont set the rules. Drisos Dosent set the rules,
In this case BEIRUT SET the rules,
And heres what he said.
If you feel you have a valid complaint about the mods abusing their privileges, that deserves an answer.
The private deal, agreed to by both parties, is there to keep the peace - meaning I ignore the other account in the 20+ other forums as long as that account does not post in the Frontroom.
Irelivant and inconsiquential arguments will not sway me.
Like i said.
Since the incident.im playing by the book,
I dont post wrong topics in wrong places.
I dont attack individual members.
I Report bad Posts. (even if there mods)
I Send pm's to Mods Insted of going balistic.
I just Plain IGNORE insults towards me,
I dont make up lies and post them as facts
I utilise the watch tower in the manner it was created for.
I help members.
And generaly try to behave like a good member.
And what do you guys do?
You close legitemate topics With no given reason,
You Refuse to acknowlage any sort of problem.
You allow mods to type profanaty.
And You Repetedly post irrelivant material As your evidence With no structured sentance to explain your reasons for doing so.
I hope you guys begin to understand this,
There are no 1/2 measures when it comes to me.
I can Play fair and every 1 plays fair.
But i have a hard time playing fair when others arent.
However I see this Discussion again is being Turned in to an attack against me.
And An attempt to angle the conversation away from the initial subject.
Thats A verry Petty tacktic Employed usualy by Mothers or gran mothers, To get a kid to stop asking for sweet's.
You Greatly underestemate my inteligence,
Now could you guys Play fair, And Lets just get on with this thing called life.
Still this thread is pointless and i can probably predect what will happen next,
Will probably consist of,
Tossa Posting the same old quotes That arent really relivant Seeing as neithe I nor Drisos Set the rules.
If redleg comes We can guarantee that his input will mostly consist of insults towards me my spelling my punctuation and grammer,
Whis is his usual input to any given post he does not agree with.
Beirut will probably try to act nice and Happy in a post. so every 1 thinks Look at beirut isnt he cool.
When his pms to me could change your oppinion of him.
"kurilKhan pointed out to me (PM'S) are Private messages So I should keep em like so"
So I will.
Now I understand People May like beirut.
But to me 1st impressions count,
And i wont bother telling you what i though of him on 1st impressions,
I doubt he cares. And why should he, I wouldnt.
Now The last ON TOPIC Question Asked was By ME.
Asking beirut Why did he chose to be awkward in the begining.
A simple .
"your allowed to say ******" in the front room aslong as you dont add any letters to the masked word"
Would have solved the problem in 1 pm from me and 1 reply from him,
He chose to be A good mod again "LOL" and became awkward Entrenched and put his tin foil hat on.
And this is where we are now.
Good mods dont act like that.
A good mod would have suplied the simplest fastest answer to resolve the situation.
Beirut chose to antagonize the situation.
And you guys Cant see Squat, Cos ya so far up his ***
Heres A quote which About Sums it up.
Thanx Frank,
For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught
To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels
The record shows I took the blows and did it my way!
Prety much sums up My way of living.
I wish more people had the Balls.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=55942&page=2
#59
Weve come to an arange ment Where i stay out of his way, and we dont address eachother any more,
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=58342
#7
I agreed to stay out of his way, and not post in the front rooom.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=58342&page=2
#59
me and beirut have agreed to stay out of eachothers way as we dont see eye to eye, And altrecations between us could be bad for the org,
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=59267
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=59290
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=59292
#1
And theres no prizes for guessing who im on about.
starts with a B ends wilth eirut.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=58342
#1
Why does beirut Prefer people to waste money than to allow me to Reply to a question,
Only for beirut to say:
"I prefer they suffer than let you post"
Or atleast thats what it looks like to me.
His vendetta against me
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=58342&page=2
#59
a nother reason is prolly cos beirut made an account using my hotmail adress, And then sent a sarcastic pm to it. (Invalid account 18)
Board database investigation and confession, showed it was not Beirut.
Just A Girl
01-08-2006, 15:00
Now your disecting 1 sentance in to Multiple parts To try and Imply that there all Individual remarks...
Thats wrong.
And In regards to this...
a nother reason is prolly cos beirut made an account using my hotmail adress, And then sent a sarcastic pm to it. (Invalid account 18)
Board database investigation and confession, showed it was not Beirut.
well how come When i 1st loged in to that account there was a PM from BEIRUT.
Directed at me.
(the pm was there before i even noticed an account had been made using my email address)
If he did not create the account How did he know I would be forced to use it before Even I knew The account had been made.?
Logic People...
Use it.
"Smell that?"
Kind of nice full smell to it.
Guess you need to wake up 1st befor you smell the coffe huh
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Weve come to an arange ment Where i stay out of his way, and we dont address eachother any more,
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I agreed to stay out of his way, and not post in the front rooom.
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me and beirut have agreed to stay out of eachothers way as we dont see eye to eye, And altrecations between us could be bad for the org,
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And theres no prizes for guessing who im on about.
starts with a B ends wilth eirut.
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a nother reason is prolly cos beirut made an account using my hotmail adress, And then sent a sarcastic pm to it. (Invalid account 18)
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#1
Ive Pm'd the mod in question about his breich of rules,
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=58342
#7
I agreed to stay out of his way, and not post in the front rooom. Ocasionaly i do.
I have to say - looking at what you have provided as evidence Just a Girl or Shammbles
You really have not produced a case against Beriut, and your inablity to produce a logical and concise arguement that is readable by the audience does not help your case at all. What I read is gibberish at its worse. The English language is not a hard one to master, especially in its written form, however it seems you rather rant and rave against Beriut and by default Tosa, then provide a concise and logicial arguement against the moderation of Beriut. You claim for people to use logic is lost by your own inablity to produce the same sort of Logic in your writing.
Is there some possible instances of hypocrisy by Beriut? Most likely since the moderators are all human, however your actions by far overweigh any precieved issue of poor moderation by Beriut. Tosa has shown the evidence of both your actions and Beriut's in his links. (It would help for the community to understand better if Tosa included some verbage along with his links, but again that would only help, the links provide the necessary evidence for all to see). The evidence shows that whatever issue there is has become clouded by your own actions and the hostility in your posts directed at anyone who either supports the moderator in question, or those who attempt to provide some advice to help reach an understanding of what happened.
It seems that one you have indeed violated the agreement you reached with the moderators and adminstrator of this board. That they have continued to grant you posting priviledges on this board is honorable on their part and compromise that gives you the marigine of the benefit of the doubt, that you continue to show them nothing but disrepect by not honoring what you agreed to honor, shows an inablity to accept their compromise. The one at greater fault even here is not the moderator in question.
So while Beriut might or might not have violated his area's rules about what is proper posting for the community, and he does indeed show a hint of baised moderating toward yourself, (one that I don't blame him for, considering your actions to destroy the board), your attempts at watching and interfering with his moderation of the Front Room, even by PM and proxy of a willing patron is a violation of the agreement you entered into with the adminstrators of the board.
I would suggest that you honor the agreement entered into and if you read the threads in the Front Room - you don't PM anyone but Tosa about your issues. Or use the bad message report button if that is what the orginal agreement between you and the moderator's included. To any other action is course a matter of choice - but in the face of the evidence presented by yourself and Tosa to do anything else is violating the agreed upon conditions. Even using a poxy in the frontroom seems to be a violation to that compromise between you and the adminstrators of this board.
The one that needs to wake up and smell the coffee in this situation is not the community nor the moderators - but yourself.
Im not harassing him [1] Im just keeping an eye on him, [2]
1) In addition to TosaInu's proof, your own words contradict that, as you wrote a few lines above that you would continue to pursue and expose him.
2) Again, this is neither your job, nor your right after what you have done. You have violantly abused him and are still abusing him in these threads. He may not have been 100% correct in how he treated you, but it phales compared to how you treated him.
You say that Beirut breaks the rules, but your offenses have been worse than any of his you have presented so far. Again, you may have obeyed the letter of the agreement, but you ignored the spirit. So, please stop trying to convince us he is an hypocrite and start trying to convince us you aren't trolling.
Just A Girl
01-09-2006, 23:24
Why do you guys close n re open this thing?
I dont really need to Prove anything.
I Reported to Him what seemed like a beich of rules,
he decided he was better off being awkward than to answer with a simple.
"typing ***** in the front room does not violate forum rules"
Now had he have decided to simply answer the initial pm in a manner befiting a mod,
There would be no thread, And I wouldnt be accused of trolling.
So I dont see how Reporting what i deem to be rule infringments. Is trolling
Neither do i see how Ignoring my statements and restating that i have no right to complain is at all relivant to this thread.
The last thing that was said afaik was tosasaying beirut didnt Make a new account with my email adress,
And me asking How did he know to send a pm there Before I knew the account existed.
And here i see More irelivant text that has nothing to do with the matter at hand But as always Trys to encapsulate Any and all incidents.
I dont see what i have to prove,
I never denyed anything i did,
I dont hide behind fake smiles and 1 Line replys.
I dont act difrent in a pm to what i do in public.
Althoug I see that Obviously beirut Denys making an account using my Email.
And yet He knew it existed befor i did.
I think its Pitifull when some 1 cant admit something.
The last thing that was said afaik was tosasaying beirut didnt Make a new account with my email adress,
And me asking How did he know to send a pm there Before I knew the account existed.
And here i see More irelivant text that has nothing to do with the matter at hand But as always Trys to encapsulate Any and all incidents.
Althoug I see that Obviously beirut Denys making an account using my Email.
And yet He knew it existed befor i did.
This was said:
Board database investigation and confession, showed it was not Beirut.
Beirut did not deny anything as I did not ask him about that.
Around 10-19-2005, new accounts were created by ShambleS, part of a slander campaign about nothing.
New accounts are displayed at the frontpage, until a new one is created. ShambleS is very aware of this fact. Many accounts were created using a fake e-mail.
-a to further slander Beirut.
-b the accounts were not made to post in the forums, but to deface the site.
Some person, but not Beirut, some person who is also an user on this board, saw several accounts, to slander Beirut, created by ShambleS, and also created accounts.
I know who did that, it was not Beirut, it was not ShambleS. Those hands are slapped and all accounts that were inappropriate are changed to Incompatible Account X as soon as spotted by me. There were about 5 when this started, there are over 20 now.
If he did not create the account How did he know I would be forced to use it before Even I knew The account had been made.?
Someone created an account and the activation e-mail was delivered at Shogun_tourniment@hotmail.com.
An account is created by another, with an unknown password. You happen to have the e-mail, so you did request a password reset.
Normally, this is using an account created by someone else and so account hacking. Good to make my blood boil and ban.
I think its Pitifull when some 1 cant admit something.
I agree. It's even worse when people (co)-create problems, perform several objectionable acts and then (mostly) blame others for it.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=58342&page=2
#54
You dont seem to have much of a clue as to what actualy happend....
Or the order things happend in.....
That seems to be correct: they don't know what happened. Others do.
Just A Girl
01-11-2006, 21:02
Ive just relized this is open again.
And i also relized all my mails to tossainu Are unread.
I beleve Here is a good place to post What i wished to say.
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thank you for your Post's in the "geting the idea" Thread.
Now I finaly Have A good enough picture in my head of how things unfolded.
I can beleve that Some 1 els created accounts in defence of beirut.
I can also understand That ANY 1 could have Created an account Using my email adress As that is indeed a public address.
Also I can easily see how An onlooker could have identified me as the possible culprate Due to the fact that i made no seecrets of the inital situation.
So theres no reason for me Not to beleve you when you say It was not beirut.
I dont quite comprehend How beirut knew to pm That account before i accsesd it,
I beleve its something to do with the fact i requested a pw' reset?
(I dont really Need a reply for that, Im happy enough now)
I Am very glad that you took the time to answer my Queery's Even though they could have been worded with a bit more tackt by my self.
Thanx Again,
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