Does Being Muslim Make you a Terrorist?

[Strike For The South]

Gah Im sick of this question and the people who spew this utter nonsense. Plenty of groups over the years (wether religous or of another kind) have perverted the orignal message to mean something else like the KKK and those man who bombed the abortion clincs. Terrorism isnt a matter of religon its a matter (at least in this case) of jealousy poverty and powerful men manuipulating for there own personal gain. I mean Im just sick of this nonsense and narrowmindedness.

[Just A Girl]

no.
being a terrorist makes you a terrorist..

[Reenk Roink]

Knowing a muslim, I would say no...

[Goofball]

I voted "yes," just in case the NSA is monitoring my internet account. I don't want to be sent to Gitmo.

:hide:

[Samurai Waki]

of course not! nonsense! nonsense I say...Hey where you guys taking me! I demand to know the reason behind this injustice! *Get in the Car sir!* Never! *you hear the sound of a tazor gun*

[Sartaq]

does being a terrorist make you a muslim?

[Tribesman]

Does Being Muslim Make you a Terrorist?

Take one of todays suicide bombings for example , was it an act of terrorism ?
It was against a naval vessel , so that isn't really terrorism is it .
But the group also carries out attacks on civilians , so that is terrorism isn't it .
Most of the the world calls the group terrorists , but the government of their country which they are fighting against doesn't call them terrorists .
Two countries that do call them terrorists (US&Norway) don't call them terrorists because they want to re-enter dialouge with them politically and they don't talk with terrorists...(make sense of that one):dizzy2:
The group is not a Muslim one , but it has some Muslims in it .
It attacks some Muslims , but not because of their religeon .

So SFTS....what is a terrorist ?

[Just A Girl]

Demand something And Terrorize the people you want it from untill you get what you want, and that is terrorism,

"i wonder if that makes All those Gay rights people Terrorists"

[Marcellus]

Of course not.

[Kekvit Irae]

In that case, I'm guessing the Unibomber was Muslim too, eh?
No, being Muslim does not make you a terrorist. Neither does being Catholic make you a child-rapist. Neither does being Hindu makes you a 7 Eleven worker. Neither does being Shinto make you a samurai.
All these are just lame stereotypes. It is the individual, not the whole, who define terrorism.

[LeftEyeNine]

Useless debate, me thinks..

If someone is to vote for "Yes" indeed, what can you win over/change about his ideas -that is extreme ? So this discussion, which had been indirectly called in some other threads before, is nonsense. It is impossible to discuss a topic that has a pitfall from the structure.

SFTS, :bow:

[Crazed Rabbit]

No.

But a far more relevant question is: Does being of a certain religion make one more likely to succumb to the allure of terrorist activities against an alledged infidel? Unfortunately, I think so.


Neither does being Catholic make you a child-rapist.

I was not aware that was a stereotype.


Neither does being Hindu makes you a 7 Eleven worker.

True. Does that mean one cannot make jokes about how Ghandi was a convenience store owner? I don't think one can without flagrant disregard for who Ghandi was and what he achieved.

Crazed Rabbit

[Reenk Roink]

No.

But a far more relevant question is: Does being of a certain religion make one more likely to succumb to the allure of terrorist activities against an alledged infidel? Unfortunately, I think so.


A State Department report on terrorism stated that about 1/5th of the terrorists belonging to all "official" terrorist groups are muslims. 1/5th-1/4 of the world population is muslim...

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Hey...

Ghandi pwns us all...

[Tribesman]

True. Does that mean one cannot make jokes about how Ghandi was a convenience store owner?
He was a lawyer , which is even worse , he also ran a newspaper which makes him a media mogul .
Damn , that Ghandi just gets worse the more you look at it .

[Just A Girl]

Well the IRA wernt Muslims.
Mebion Glyn dwr Wernt muslims.
Actualy...
Untill recently Most terrorists have been Anything but muslims.

so dunno About religion making you more likley to become a terrorist,

Being opressed, usualy makes you a terrorist.
Or a "Rebbel" as they used to be.

[Vladimir]

A quote I like is: Not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims. But that's not entirely true. I'm pretty sure the Basques aren't muslim but they've been using terror tatics against the Spanish for quite some time.

[Proletariat]

I mean Im just sick of this nonsense and narrowmindedness.

Who's company are you keeping where this sort of thing is said seriously? I've never heard someone say this. Sure, there must be someone who believes this stupid crap, but there's certainly still idiots somewhere out there who believe the Earth is flat. Should we start a thread about them, too?

[Mongoose]

AGAGGHHHHH!

There isn't really any room for debate in this topic. No one here is racist or stupid enough to say anything that we could argue with. Hell, not even me. If you want, I could pretend to think that so you could tear apart afew posts and walk awat form the thread feeling smug.

[Devastatin Dave]

Does being an Irishman make you drunk? Does being a Catholic Priest make you a child molestor? Does being a Southerner make you uneducated? Does being a New Yorker make you rude? Does being a Jew make you greedy? Does being a black make you a criminal? Does being a Mexican make you illegal? Does being an Asian make you smart? Does being a honkey make you a racist? Does being a Italian make you a mobster? Does being Polish make you stupid? Does being French make you a wimp? Does being an African make you and AIDS patient? Does being Brittish make you a snob? Does being in the Air Force make you great (I think it does!!!)? Does being in the Marines make you a maniac (I also believe it does :laugh4: )? And now for the final generalization of them all... After the movie Broke Back Mountain came out, does being a Texan make you a homo?:laugh4:

God loves all, from the most peaceful Muslim to the butt bumping gay TEXAS cowboy. :2thumbsup:

So back to the original question, no, being Muslim does not make you a terrorist.
Oh, I forgot one... Does being a Canadian make you a Goofball!?!?!?:laugh4:

[Sartaq]

Does being in the Air Force make you great (I think it does!!!)?

Being in the Air Force makes you THINK your great. ~:cool:


Does being a Canadian make you a Goofball!?!?!?:laugh4:

:laugh4:

[Samurai Waki]

God loves all, from the most peaceful Muslim to the butt bumping gay TEXAS cowboy. :2thumbsup:

Are you insinuating that gay cowboys can't be civilized?:laugh4:

[Kekvit Irae]

Being in the Air Force makes you THINK your great. ~:cool:

Best. Quote. Evar. :army:

[Strike For The South]

Who's company are you keeping where this sort of thing is said seriously? I've never heard someone say this. Sure, there must be someone who believes this stupid crap, but there's certainly still idiots somewhere out there who believe the Earth is flat. Should we start a thread about them, too?

You dont know the company I keep. Im considerd the learned libreal:laugh4:

[Devastatin Dave]

Being in the Air Force makes you THINK your great. ~:cool:



:laugh4:
Excellent retort!!! LOL:laugh4:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

But a far more relevant question is: Does being of a certain religion make one more likely to succumb to the allure of terrorist activities against an alledged infidel? Unfortunately, I think so.


Now that should have been another choice. Are Muslims more likely to become terrorists? Is there any doubt?

[Shahed]

If you are a woman you are a terrorist!


;)

[yesdachi]

If you are a woman you are a terrorist!


;)
I often think my wife is a terrorist. But her only target is me.:laugh4:

[Papewaio]

Now that should have been another choice. Are Muslims more likely to become terrorists? Is there any doubt?

Well until the 90's I would have said the hands down winners would have been the Irish...so do we declare Catholics and Protestants per head of population more likely to be terrorists?

Or can we state that Europeans are far more likely to commit mass murder, after all the Nazi camps, Stalin and Co., Kitchners Concentration Camps etc were all run by Europeans for Europeans.

I think extremists are far more likely to particapte in extraordinary rendering then moderates.

[bmolsson]

I am a muslim and I am not even tempted to blow up my self. Actually I don't even like playing with matches..... ~;)

[Just A Girl]

Well until the 90's I would have said the hands down winners would have been the Irish...so do we declare Catholics and Protestants per head of population more likely to be terrorists?

Or can we state that Europeans are far more likely to commit mass murder, after all the Nazi camps, Stalin and Co., Kitchners Concentration Camps etc were all run by Europeans for Europeans.

I think extremists are far more likely to particapte in extraordinary rendering then moderates.


Hooray Some 1 who remembers the days b4 "All terorists were muslims"

i tried to ell em a few posts ago untill recently it was every 1 apart from muslims who were the terorists.
They seem to have selective memory :(

And i still say being opressed makes you a terrorist or makes you revoltl.
Not your religion...
"unless your religion is being opressed.."
But thats still opression thats 2 blame

[Watchman]

I wonder how many are even aware that Greece for example gets almost a regular number of bomb attacks from anarchists (no, honest) every year, and has for decades...

Muslim wonks don't AFAIK form even remotely the majority of the total bomb-tossing population of the world even today; but they *do* seem to have a virtual monopoly on high-profile international terrorism (ie. the sort that directly affects the West and hence gets real attention), which in practice means they end up looking like the majority. But aside from the Palestinian militants and Gaddafi's spooks (who got started on aircraft hijackings, bombings and similar dramatic stuff already in the Seventies no doubt due to the developements on the Israel front) high-end Muslim terrorism is AFAIK very much a Nineties and later issue.

Which of course raises the usual slew of questions regarding the circumstances and motivations that made such groups graduate from domestic terrorism and guerilla warfare to more hardcore stuff...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Well until the 90's I would have said the hands down winners would have been the Irish...so do we declare Catholics and Protestants per head of population more likely to be terrorists?


Nope still Muslims. Besides the Irish dont represent christianity . You would be correct however back then stating that being Irish would make you more likely to be a terrorist than say if you were an american.


Or can we state that Europeans are far more likely to commit mass murder, after all the Nazi camps, Stalin and Co., Kitchners Concentration Camps etc were all run by Europeans for Europeans.


Theres plenty of examples just as bad before and after this. Again at the time your statement would be true. Today being african would fit this discription.


I think extremists are far more likely to particapte in extraordinary rendering then moderates.

This is very true. The problem is there are a huge number of Muslim extremists. Being Muslim certainly does not make you a terrorist. Howeveer when polls indicate that more than half the population of a country supports the use of terrorism we have more than just a fringe element and a real problem on our hands.


And i still say being opressed makes you a terrorist or makes you revoltl.
Not your religion...


The only people oppressing Muslims are other Muslims. Again the 911 terroists were all well to do.

[Ianofsmeg16]

Does being an Irishman make you drunk? Does being a Catholic Priest make you a child molestor? Does being a Southerner make you uneducated? Does being a New Yorker make you rude? Does being a Jew make you greedy? Does being a black make you a criminal? Does being a Mexican make you illegal? Does being an Asian make you smart? Does being a honkey make you a racist? Does being a Italian make you a mobster? Does being Polish make you stupid? Does being French make you a wimp? Does being an African make you and AIDS patient? Does being Brittish make you a snob? Does being in the Air Force make you great (I think it does!!!)? Does being in the Marines make you a maniac (I also believe it does :laugh4: )? And now for the final generalization of them all... After the movie Broke Back Mountain came out, does being a Texan make you a homo?:laugh4:

God loves all, from the most peaceful Muslim to the butt bumping gay TEXAS cowboy. :2thumbsup:

So back to the original question, no, being Muslim does not make you a terrorist.
Oh, I forgot one... Does being a Canadian make you a Goofball!?!?!?:laugh4:
:laugh4: :laugh4:
Oh that made me laugh....but i aint a snob:furious3:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You dont know the company I keep. Im considerd the learned libreal:laugh4:

So that's why you're always on this web-site!

What keeps you connected with that crowd? Do they have other talents -- car repair, cross-stich, the ability to remove the chrome from a trailer hitch via suction?

[Tribesman]

I mean Im just sick of this nonsense and narrowmindedness.

Well SFTS you didn't have to wait very long for some examples of what you are complaining about did you .
:laugh4:
But a far more relevant question is: Does being of a certain religion make one more likely to succumb to the allure of terrorist activities against an alledged infidel? Unfortunately, I think so.

An example of someone not liking the answer , so they change the question to give an answer that they feel more comfortable with .

Now that should have been another choice. Are Muslims more likely to become terrorists? Is there any doubt?
Another example of someone not wanting to face facts and grasping at an alternative that they feel more comfortable with .

So you must ask , are these examples of narrowmindedness or just nonsense ?

For an example of nonsense we have......
Well until the 90's I would have said the hands down winners would have been the Irish...
No until the 90s the hands down winners would be the various marxist , maoist , fascist or nationalist groups throughout the world .
And curiously enough that is still true today despite the fact that people are focussing more on religeous fundamentalists and conveniently ignoring the reality of the situation .

[Dâriûsh]

:idea2:

Does wearing a Pakol* make you a Taliban?




*Traditional Afghan hat

[master of the puppets]

i said GAH, i meant no. no religion dictates it, only extremests, lately mabey the terrorism has been rising because of the false propaganda about 70 virgins in heaven. its all about the reward, if all you need to do to attain heaven is conquer the holy land, to get 70 virgins to kill some shi'ahs, to attain nirvana to beat up a couple of dolphins. it does'nt matter how absurd it is as long as there is a reward there will be some narrow minded devotee who will try to get it.

[Devastatin Dave]

People kill each other for their own selfish reasons and use religion or ideaology to justify it. This thread will only become a flame feast regardless of the practical debate in which some will put into it unfortunately. Let's face it, terrorism is part of the human nature to destroy everything regardless of the detrimental effect it could have on oneself and those around you. So much death so much ill will. God forgive us all.

[master of the puppets]

god hath forsaken us to run wild and burn the surface of the earth he gave unto us, i mean c'mon we tortured and killed his bouncin baby boy jesus, so he has abandoned us to run our course, hooray we are gonna blow up the world:laugh4: :skull: :laugh4: (note; the skull is laughing too.)

[Geoffrey S]

Yes. ~;p

[Goofball]

Oh, I forgot one... Does being a Canadian make you a Goofball!?!?!?:laugh4:

Definitely not. Becoming a Goofball is a case of nurture over nature. It's a combination of early exposure to men skating around the ice at breakneck speeds in garters and stockings, at age 9 accidentally seeing your best friend's older sister undressing, and once while in the army after a two week field exercise having your pubic hair become so matted that a large portion of it got torn out when you finally had the opportunity to take off your underwear.

The above combination of experiences produces an individual who supports gay marriage, harbors a very strong fetish for women's underwear, and has a penchant for scrotum shaving. In short: he is a Goofball.

~;p

[BDC]

I read somewhere that the majority of suicide bombers are Hindu in Sri Lanka...

[Lentonius]

muslims are not terrorists.

some muslims are terrorists, but that is only a very small minority, and there are terrorists of every faith

[Gawain of Orkeny]

some muslims are terrorists

True


but that is only a very small minority

Also true. But they represent a far larger percentage of muslims than they do in any other religion.


and there are terrorists of every faith

Again read the above. Also a large portion of muslims support the use of terrorism, though this support has been dwindiling lately.

[Radier]

No of course not, but muslims tend to be over-representated in the cathegory "terrorists". All muslims I know are good people.

[Divinus Arma]

You asked the wrong question. You should have asked, "More often than not, does being a Terrorist mean that you are probably Muslim?"

The answer is Yes.


Most Muslims are not Terrorists.

But most Terrorists are Muslim.

[doc_bean]

Also true. But they represent a far larger percentage of muslims than they do in any other religion.


...at the moment.

[Reenk Roink]

Now that should have been another choice. Are Muslims more likely to become terrorists? Is there any doubt?

I sure think there is a huge doubt...



A State Department report on terrorism stated that about 1/5th of the terrorists belonging to all "official" terrorist groups are muslims. 1/5th-1/4 of the world population is muslim...

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

how many of those Muslim terrorists are associated with Islamic terrorist groups?

how many of the rest of the world's terrorist groups are more caught up in class and ethnicity issues than religious ones?

[Ice]

I'm going to have to agree with Divinus and Gawain here. Does being a Muslim make you a terrorist? Of course not, that's silly. Are the majority of terrorists Muslims? I'd have to lean to yes.

[Just A Girl]

How many Muslim terrorists do we all know then??

Cos i Know 4 ex welsh terrorists "mebion glyn dwr members"
I dont know any other terrorists at all,

So becous I my self have never met a muslim terrorist i dont feel it is my p;ace or any 1 elses to say most terrorists are muslim,

Unless you Know EXACTLY how many "terrorists" There are,
How can you Possibly hope to be able to say most of them are muslim.

[Papewaio]

I assume that was Just A Girl posting as ShambleS posts are a speeling ~;) shambles. While Just A Girl, well spells like a girl... neat and all.

I think all Welsh mums terrorise their kids. :laugh4:

[Tribesman]

But they represent a far larger percentage of muslims than they do in any other religion.

Really Gawain , and do you have any facts to back up that assumption ?


Are the majority of terrorists Muslims? I'd have to lean to yes.
I take it that is just a guess then ghost , and what exactly do you base you guess upon ?

But most Terrorists are Muslim.
Ah Divinus , another one working on guesswork I see .

Who's company are you keeping where this sort of thing is said seriously? I've never heard someone say this. Sure, there must be someone who believes this stupid crap, but there's certainly still idiots somewhere out there who believe the Earth is flat.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
You spoke too early Prole :no:


I read somewhere that the majority of suicide bombers are Hindu in Sri Lanka...
Go to my first post in this topic BDC , the group has conducted more suicide bombings than any other terrorist group , but while the group is mainly Hindu it also contains Muslims and Christians as it is an ethnic movement not a religeous one . They have also murdered the heads of State from two countries , though I suppose that could come under the label of aiming for regime change , so thats OK then~;)

Now then , for all those people going on guesswork , would you like to examine Columbia which is almost exclusively Christian ?
There is a terrorist group down there that has nearly half a million active terrorists and nearly 12 million supporters who pay their "taxes" directly to the terrorists. Can you find a Muslim group on that scale ? Then perhaps you can move onto Peru , though the biggest group down there could hardly be called Christian even though it is a predominantly christian country.

You assume most terrorists are muslims because ....why ?
Is it because you have been hearing lots about Muslim terrorists recently ?
Or is it just because it seems like something simple that you can accept without examining any awkward things like facts ?

[Divinus Arma]

I like thinking that Muslims are all bombmakers and mass murderers. It's just easier that way.

:shrug:

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

how many people did Meibion Glyn Dwr kill?

yeah, exactly.

a big fat 0

Although, to be fair, they probably burned down more empty second homes than Islamic terrorists.

Edit: I think I may have been a terrorist once. This guy at school used to pick on me. He started a fight one day and I knocked him down. After that he was scared of me. So any time that he started being mean to my friends I'd suggest that he didn't do so and he'd back down. I reckon that must count as terrorism as I was using an implied threat of violence to make him change his actions. Damn, spank me and call me Osama.

[Papewaio]

I think a lot of it is perception. The Irish didn't attack Americans, nor does the Timor Tigers or Basque separatists etc.

However Muslim terrorists will attack Americans.

Not quite terrorists, more like criminals:

Aussie marked as an American (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17790125-2,00.html)


THE Palestinian militants who kidnapped an Australian teacher in Gaza last month have revealed they released him because he was not American.

Brian Ambrosio, originally from Wangaratta in Victoria, was taken hostage by gunmen in the Gaza Strip on December 21 while driving to a private American school where he is deputy principal.
The kidnappers released Mr Ambrosio the same day, together with a Dutch colleague who also was detained.

The militants, members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, have told the ABC they had the teachers under surveillance for weeks, but mistakenly believed they were US citizens.

"We moved on them early in the morning," one of the gunmen said.

"We'd had them under surveillance for about a month.

"Their nationality was the main reason they were released because they weren't the nationalities that we were after."

BTW according to the TV interview the kidnappers would not release Ambrosio until they had given him a proper lunch as a form of apology. :dizzy2:

[Ice]

How many Muslim terrorists do we all know then??

Cos i Know 4 ex welsh terrorists "mebion glyn dwr members"
I dont know any other terrorists at all,

So becous I my self have never met a muslim terrorist i dont feel it is my p;ace or any 1 elses to say most terrorists are muslim,

Unless you Know EXACTLY how many "terrorists" There are,
How can you Possibly hope to be able to say most of them are muslim.

Well considering I don't live in Pakistan, Iraq, Iraq, or one of the many breeding grounds for Islamic terrorists, I would be kind of hard for me to met a Muslim who is a terrorist. I believe you know ex welsh terrorists, because you live around Wales? This is just a guess.

[AntiochusIII]

BTW according to the TV interview the kidnappers would not release Ambrosio until they had given him a proper lunch as a form of apology. :dizzy2:lol. At least they are polite...

...to non-Americans. :dizzy2:

I like thinking that Muslims are all bombmakers and mass murderers. It's just easier that way.but...BUT...if that is so, then I am soooo dead! I mean, there is this Muslim guy who sits right next to me on the bus EVERY morning! And he's a Muslim! And it's a bus!

...


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~;)

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Who shall be the boogeyman of this phenomenon? Who shall take the blame of God's wrath and Pat Robertson's flames? Who shall be called infidels and traitors and evil creatures that should be genocided? Who? YOU decide! Come! Come and vote! Muslims or the cronies of Bush Baby? Who shall be the big strawman for public effigy burning in Halloweens to come?

BOOgey...

Edit: BOOgey indeed, the 1111th post of the Seleucid Monarch is at hand! :yes:

[Tribesman]

Well considering I don't live in Pakistan, Iraq, Iraq, or one of the many breeding grounds for Islamic terrorists, I would be kind of hard for me to met a Muslim who is a terrorist. I believe you know ex welsh terrorists, because you live around Wales? This is just a guess.

So you havn't met ant Welsh terrorists as you don't live in Wales , you don't live in an Islamic country so you havn't met any Islamic terrorists .
Fair enough .
So as you live in Michigan have you met any of the people from Michigan based groups that your government lists as terrorist groups ?

Whodathunkit , American terrorists , in Michigan of all places , I bet they must be Muslims .:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Really Gawain , and do you have any facts to back up that assumption ?


Sure

http://pewglobal.org/reports/images/248-30.gif

Look at this one

http://pewglobal.org/reports/images/248-31.gif

That represents much more than a fringe element. Show me another religion in which over 30 percent of them support terrorism.

[Ice]

Well considering I don't live in Pakistan, Iraq, Iraq, or one of the many breeding grounds for Islamic terrorists, I would be kind of hard for me to met a Muslim who is a terrorist. I believe you know ex welsh terrorists, because you live around Wales? This is just a guess.

So you havn't met ant Welsh terrorists as you don't live in Wales , you don't live in an Islamic country so you havn't met any Islamic terrorists .
Fair enough .
So as you live in Michigan have you met any of the people from Michigan based groups that your government lists as terrorist groups ?

Whodathunkit , American terrorists , in Michigan of all places , I bet they must be Muslims .:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Eh? Actually, the largest concentration of Muslims is in Dearborn, MI which isn't to far from my house. I have yet to met an Islamic terrorist, or I think.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Eh? Actually, the largest concentration of Muslims is in Dearborn, MI which isn't to far from my house. I have yet to met an Islamic terrorist, or I think.


Well most if not all the Muslims Ive met here are also very nice people. But then I doubt they will go running around town yelling for a Jihad and screamong death to America even if they felt that way. Again the title of this thread is silly. No one thinks being Muslim makes you a terrorist. Its just at this moment most of the terrorism in the world is being done by Muslims. Hopefully its time will pass.

[Reenk Roink]

Here's my problems with that Gaiwan.

First, this is support for terrorism, the "official" terrorist organization list says that 1/5 of terrorist in terrorist groups are muslims, proportionally around or a bit lower than the worldwide muslim population.

Second, the second poll is quite out of place. The suicide bombing issue is a complex one. The majority of muslim clerics say that it is forbidden as suicide is forbidden. A minority say that it is not technically suicide (as in trying to escape the problems of life) so it is allowed against military targets. The sparse handful that support the al-Qaeda doctrine say it is ok to kill civilians as well.

The first poll can be reversed on the "collateral damage" doctrine. Say if Americans were asked, "is it ok to kill civilians in war by airstrikes or missle attacks in large cities where innocents are certain to be hit?"

Or take a classic example: "was it ok to bomb the largely civilian targets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to avoid a full scale invasion of Japan?"

[Sartaq]

The first poll can be reversed on the "collateral damage" doctrine. Say if Americans were asked, "is it ok to kill civilians in war by airstrikes or missle attacks in large cities where innocents are certain to be hit?"

That's a logical comparison but there are fundamental differences. If "priority #1 target has purposely put themselves in a civilian area what is the military supposed to do?
And in the case of the original poll civilians are specifically being targeted.



Or take a classic example: "was it ok to bomb the largely civilian targets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to avoid a full scale invasion of Japan?"

That I have more issue with. I say no, it was not OK. More effort should have been made to "prove the point" if you will, through means that do not directly involve civilian deaths.

[Reenk Roink]

Hmm, the poll is retardedly worded, IMO. It's probable that a degree of response bias is evident. The "Violence against civilians" is vague, but the real problem lies in the "defense of Islam." Obviously that adds a degree of threat and defensiveness to the individual who is polled.

I recall that in my Statistics class (my final is tommorow :book: :dizzy2: :wall:) we were shown a real life example of two polls in the same region concerning a tax raise. One was worded specially with "for more school revenue" while the other simply gave the rate of increase. Of course, the percentages in favor were 54% and 17% respectively...

[JimBob]

No

Remember the suicide bomber vest was invented by the Tamil Tigers who are primarily Marxist. Remember Red Army Faction, Baader-Meinhorf, and a slew of others? Right now there are terrorist groups everywhere, of every race, color, creed, and persuation. In Ireland there are Catholic and Protestant, in Spain, Basque, in Greece, Anarchists, in Sri Lanka, Tamils...

[Tribesman]

So I ask Really Gawain , and do you have any facts to back up that assumption ?

And I get what ?
A Sure

and a
Look at this one

Really Gawain , surely even you can do better than that .
May I ask you if you are familiar with a recent post where someone dismisses opinion polls as factual evidence as they can be manipulated to ensure the desired result .
The person who made that post goes under the name of Gawain on these forums , have you ever heard of him ?:inquisitive:

But since you are obviously unfamiliar with Gawains thoughts on opinion polls Gawain can we examine the "facts" you have put forward ?
For starters what is the source ?
Secondly what was the precise wording for each of the questions asked on each occasion and what was the exact wording of each of the possible responses ?
Thirdly how were the results of those responses seperated into just two categories?
Lastly and most importantly , where are the results for non-muslim respondants and why were they removed so as to only show Muslim respondants ?

It does seem to me that you are just putting out bull that fits with your preconcieved notions despite the fact that your notions are factually completely false .


Eh? Actually, the largest concentration of Muslims is in Dearborn, MI which isn't to far from my house. I have yet to met an Islamic terrorist, or I think.
Thats weird Ghost , since the Michigan based terrorist groups that your government lists appear to be very non-muslim oriented . It appears that you have a strange fixation with Muslims and a weak grasp on facts .

[Goofball]

Nm.

[Fragony]

Dunno, most terrorists are muslims; I will think no further then a simple correlation, I couldn't care less about what they believe as long as they don't do the boom thing, so I say yes. Maybe there have been other groups with other ideals, but currently Islam is entirely the bomb. If it isn't, they sure have a hard time showing it.

[Adrian II]

Knowing a muslim, I would say no...I know at least five whose innocence I can personally vouch for. Hold on, make that six...
:idea2:

[Ice]

Eh? Actually, the largest concentration of Muslims is in Dearborn, MI which isn't to far from my house. I have yet to met an Islamic terrorist, or I think.[/B]
Thats weird Ghost , since the Michigan based terrorist groups that your government lists appear to be very non-muslim oriented . It appears that you have a strange fixation with Muslims and a weak grasp on facts .

Chill, Tribesman, I must have misunderstood your intial response. I do not have a problem with the ordinary Muslim (My lab partner is bio is a Muslim for God's sake so don't start that shit). Now that I understand exactly what you mean, I will comment.

Michigan based terror groups? That is almost laughable. No offense, but I don't see to many newspaper or new topics that have to do with a Michigan Terrorist groups ramming a truck full of explosives into a building or decapitating other human beings.

[Reenk Roink]

If you are thinking of the Michigan Militia, terrorist group might be too strong of a word...they are wackos though IMO :dizzy2:.

[Watchman]

You know, I looked up one of those odd American law-enforcement mags our local well-equipped bookstore carries a while back. They had an article about domestic American terrorism (as well as one about how the Adminstration's "security" policies are turning the country into a "snitch nation" à la good old DDR...) - and that was all about militant eco-nuts who are apparently a bit of an issue there judging by the anecdotes in the article.

That aside, how about the abortion-clinic bombers and the crazy right-wing extremists ? How have they been lately ?

And I would also be rather interested in the logic behind the statement "most terrorists are Muslims at the moment", as I for one have never even heard of anything even hinting in that direction. And Gawain's polls can stuff it; for a comparision Finnish polls show that the welfare state is extremely popular among the populace, but that doesn't keep them from voting centre-right in the elections... And for another comparision, how would one by same criteria read the results of a poll conducted among Americans about torture if it turned out a substantial portion approved of it conditionally (say, "in defense of Liberty" or however these things now usually get sugar-coated) ?

[Tribesman]

If you are thinking of the Michigan Militia, terrorist group might be too strong of a word...
The Michigan Militia are not on the list , the only mention of it is that some of its members are linked to the 3rd Continental Congress which is on the list .

[Gawain of Orkeny]

May I ask you if you are familiar with a recent post where someone dismisses opinion polls as factual evidence as they can be manipulated to ensure the desired result .
The person who made that post goes under the name of Gawain on these forums , have you ever heard of him

Yes I have . But you post polls so I thought you believed in them. You asked for evidence. Thats quite different from proof.

What percentage of Muslims would you venture support terrorism against Israel? Also were those Jews dancing in the streets in the Middle Rast on 911? Can you find a christian or jewish equivolant today? You can try to deny that most of the terrorists in the world today are not Muslim but Ive yet to see any proof of this or of most of all the other tribesman tripe you post.

[JimBob]

Michigan based terror groups? That is almost laughable. No offense, but I don't see to many newspaper or new topics that have to do with a Michigan Terrorist groups ramming a truck full of explosives into a building or decapitating other human beings.
I seem to remember a guy by the name of McVeigh, but that's probably a Muslim name, dropped the a- when he came to the states. The reason they aren't in the papers is that they're not high profile and they kill fewer people.

[Ice]

I seem to remember a guy by the name of McVeigh, but that's probably a Muslim name, dropped the a- when he came to the states. The reason they aren't in the papers is that they're not high profile and they kill fewer people.

Yes, THe Oklahoma City bombings... let's try something new for a change.

[Just A Girl]

I assume that was Just A Girl posting as ShambleS posts are a speeling ~;) shambles. While Just A Girl, well spells like a girl... neat and all.

I think all Welsh mums terrorise their kids. :laugh4:


HA.:laugh4:

You were wrong :inquisitive: It was Actualy Me Who was posting not trish.
Although Trish Posted in the 12 month old baby rape thread.
I Had to Sit out of that 1 Incase I Went balsitic, And trying to get them killed.

But Any way.
I think you should have Relized it was me.
Simply due to the way i structure my posts.
there always prety similar in structure.
Im a firm belever that Bite sized manageable Chunks of text Are more likley to be read.
Thats why my posts Look like this.


But Just to Re state my Last Point.

"How can any 1 Say most terrorists are msulim If You dont know EXACTLY howmany terrorists there Are"

And Although Mebion glyn dwr never killed any 1 they were A terrorist Group never the less.

The question Is NOT, Do muslim terrorists kill more People than any terrorists of any other religion?.

Neither is the Question, Are Muslims Terrorists the most telivized Terrorists on tv?.

The question Is Does Being Muslim make you a terrorist.
And the answer to that IS blaitantly NO,

:bow:

[Strike For The South]

A Welsh mum screwd up my Texan vocabulary for years to come. My earliest memories of grade school are "whats a rubbish" or "your mum?" In a Texas drawl that dosent sound purrdy

[Papewaio]

Actually ShambleS the majority of your posts are hard to understand and hence hard to read and hard to take seriously. Just like SFTS and myself have poor post structure... I use ... all the time. I assume all 3 of us have Welsh mums btw so maybe we can blame them for our poor grammar and spelling. :bow:

[Just A Girl]

A Welsh mum screwd up my Texan vocabulary for years to come. My earliest memories of grade school are "whats a rubbish" or "your mum?" In a Texas drawl that dosent sound purrdy


Whats A rubbis hamkes no sence at all lol.

What a load of rubish.. Prehaps..

And us welsh say Mam. not mum or mom.

P.S

Mam is not a shortend word In welsh,
Thats the welsh word for Mother..

[Papewaio]

Like Mamgu for Grandmother... but when speaking English (and I haven't used Welsh since before I was 5) I use the English term mom.

[Strike For The South]

I never used Welsh..Im proud of my welshness despite that fact that my mum is really american. Welsh but no language

[Just A Girl]

Actually ShambleS the majority of your posts are hard to understand and hence hard to read and hard to take seriously. Just like SFTS and myself have poor post structure... I use ... all the time. I assume all 3 of us have Welsh mums btw so maybe we can blame them for our poor grammar and spelling. :bow:


Lol well I understand what I say Just fine.

I do have a Punctuation problem though,
And I tend to capitalize the 1st letter of Any word I would put emphasis on in a real life conversation...

Thats why some times my posts thend to have capital letters in the middle of the although they arent punctuated.
I supose this could lead some to imagine that i just missed the full stop.
And that would create reading dificultys.

Also a nother problem of mine is that i type to fast, And often hit incorrect keys, (I really miss my edit button lol)

As for my mother.
She works for the goverment, so shes prety good with grammer.

:bow:

[Reenk Roink]

I never used Welsh..Im proud of my welshness despite that fact that my mum is really american. Welsh but no language

But your Texan...:dizzy2:

[Strike For The South]

I cant explain it its muddled in a whole bunch of ship rides in the 18 and 1900s:dizzy2:

[Papewaio]

Most Americans are going to be an descendent of an import or two.

[Reenk Roink]

I cant explain it its muddled in a whole bunch of ship rides in the 18 and 1900s:dizzy2:

I always wondered how many people from Texas had ancestors who lived in the Republic of Texas...

[Tribesman]

Yes I have . But you post polls so I thought you believed in them.
Really gawain ? I rarely even post links , can you find an example of me posting a poll ?
Or are you thinking of the Isreali Defense Force statistics on terrorism that I posted to make complete nonsense of one of your earlier claims about terrorism , thats not really a poll is it , and surely any bias from those statistics should have been in your favour , if you had bothered to actually use facts to support your position.:stupido2: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

You can try to deny that most of the terrorists in the world today are not Muslim but Ive yet to see any proof of this or of most of all the other tribesman tripe you post.
Gawain have you made a mistake there ? The whole point is that most of the terrorists in the world are not Muslim , that is a simple fact . It is you who is denying that that is the truth .:dizzy2:

What percentage of Muslims would you venture support terrorism against Israel?
What percentage of non muslims would you venture support the Palestinian cause ?

Also were those Jews dancing in the streets in the Middle Rast on 911? Can you find a christian or jewish equivolant today?
Have you examined your governments proscribed terrorist organisations list ?
You may or may not be surprised that the second most numerous and dangerous of the domestic groups was the JDL which has its origins not far away from yourself in Brooklyn , oh the Jewish terrorists came second the the Puerto Ricans , which was a surprise as I expected the Cubans to top the list .
As you work through the list , surprise surprise it is full of groups who describe themselves as Christian .:oops:

Now you may be familiar with a rather well known Christian fruitcake who has a large televised ministry over there , while he may not have been dancing through the middle east (in fact after yesterdays statement from Israel he is not even welcome over there) , but he did celebrate 9/11 as Gods punishment for the wickedness of New Yorkers !!!!!

[Efrem]

I voted yes cause I hate this poll.

[Just A Girl]

Ever Heard my Juice theory pertaining to ancesteral claims of heratage??
Some may not like this. So im gonna wrap her up in the old spoiler tags.
(I love the spoiler tags. Good Adition to the tools i say)


If you take a glass of juice. orange for instance,
And start pourning in water...
After a while theres no juice left and just water.

Same goes for humans. if a welsh person left wales 200 years ago. and there "welsh Blood" has been geting Ahem... "Diluted" ever since.
just like the juice. after a while there will be no "welsh blood" left.

Thats my juice theory :P

:bow:

[Papewaio]

Well with cattle they normally only bother to the 16th... so that is to the great-great-grandparent.

Which makes me Welsh(1/4)-Swedish (1/4)-English(1/4)-Irish(1/8)-Scottish(1/8) or thereabouts. :inquisitive: :laugh4:

[Ice]

Ever Heard my Juice theory pertaining to ancesteral claims of heratage??
Some may not like this. So im gonna wrap her up in the old spoiler tags.
(I love the spoiler tags. Good Adition to the tools i say)


If you take a glass of juice. orange for instance,
And start pourning in water...
After a while theres no juice left and just water.

Same goes for humans. if a welsh person left wales 200 years ago. and there "welsh Blood" has been geting Ahem... "Diluted" ever since.
just like the juice. after a while there will be no "welsh blood" left.

Thats my juice theory :P

:bow:

Since blood cannot overflow from your body (naturally), you will always have some in you. Even if 2000 years passes, you will still have trace amounts left. Good analogy though.

[Just A Girl]

Lets do it with Scrap mettal then :D

[quote]Say you get a bunch of Steel can's.
49 tomato soup cans and 1 pinaple chunks,

You recycle these 50 cans. in to another 47 cans
(the other 3 makes the lids that people threw away b4 recyceling)

Now when those 47 cans come back to the recyceling plant. And they add more tomato soup cans to the pile. so they have 50 again.
and they make. a nother 47 cans (with lids.)
And so on in to infinaty..

Eventualy there will be No trace of the pinaple chunks can.
It was probably lost some where in the 1st 1million lids that were thrown away.

But at the same time... (like humans do)
You could always try to say that Prehaps a little of it is still left.[/spoil]

I dont like my new Scrap metal theory at all :(, but it may just work.....

Still I much prefer my juice one. and i beleve thats the 1 I will use when The next oppertunaty arizes.


P.s

if you reply to this, thats fine by me.
But if your expecting a reply It will be in the form of a PM.
So as not to distrupt the topic to much.
:bow:

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Meibion Glyn Dwr a terrorist group?

erm, maybe, in the loosest definition of the term. Isn't that a bit glamorous for what was basically a bunch of guys who couldn't afford homes in their own communities and didn't like the fact that rich foreigners were fragmenting their culture by inflating the aforementioned house prices and forcing the natives out. They decided to destroy the aforementioned houses if they were holiday homes and were not used for more than a couple of weeks a year. That was basically it, wasn't it?

Surely that's like calling the FWA a bunch of terrorists? or even the Scottish National Liberation Army.

[master of the puppets]

Surely that's like calling the FWA a bunch of terrorists? or even the Scottish National Liberation Army.
or the black panthers:afro: :rifle: :pimp2:

i like the juice theory but you can add as much water as you like but that juice will still be there, it may never again have any flavor but you cannot crush it from existence.
example: a couple of years back a team of germans and americans did a really extensive test of hundreds of humans for 2 very destinct genes, after many trials it was finally believed that no one had the genes anymore but a peice of the genetic code existed in something like 1 of 10 people, that code was different from all things human. Was it aliens?, no of course not. it was neanderthal, so many millenia ago our blood mixed and even after those many millenia a small trace still exists, as much water as you can put in there, there will always be that that little bit of juice hidden away in the big sippy cup of life(:laugh4: ).

so all those stupid terrorist perfectionists can kiss my arse cause 20 bucks to one there ancesters are gonna be screwin with my ancestors. NAH NAH NAH NAH NA, we're gonna mess up your blood line hahaha.

[Slyspy]

Meibion Glyn Dwr a terrorist group?

erm, maybe, in the loosest definition of the term. Isn't that a bit glamorous for what was basically a bunch of guys who couldn't afford homes in their own communities and didn't like the fact that rich foreigners were fragmenting their culture by inflating the aforementioned house prices and forcing the natives out. They decided to destroy the aforementioned houses if they were holiday homes and were not used for more than a couple of weeks a year. That was basically it, wasn't it?

Surely that's like calling the FWA a bunch of terrorists? or even the Scottish National Liberation Army.

Nope. They weren't terrorist. They were what we know technically as feckless wasters.

[Just A Girl]

Meibion Glyn Dwr a terrorist group?

erm, maybe, in the loosest definition of the term. Isn't that a bit glamorous for what was basically a bunch of guys who couldn't afford homes in their own communities and didn't like the fact that rich foreigners were fragmenting their culture by inflating the aforementioned house prices and forcing the natives out. They decided to destroy the aforementioned houses if they were holiday homes and were not used for more than a couple of weeks a year. That was basically it, wasn't it?

Surely that's like calling the FWA a bunch of terrorists? or even the Scottish National Liberation Army.


Terrorists Terrorize people, untill they get what they want.

Mebion glyn dwr Burnt down English owned houses. Which Terified the english Wo then stoped Buying them...

Terror for a purpouse.
Terrorist

[Just A Girl]

Just for the record though.
Althoug the leaders of mebion glyn dwr Were Aressted For Being terrorists,

I know a number of people Who used to burn the english houses. and would Still this very day burn down an english mans home Whilst hes In his bed. if he Decided to have his home In wales.

Up here in the north, Up in the mountains people dont like people who arent local,
people dont like people from the south.
people dont like south walians who cant even speak welsh.
and People Dont like the English the most.

You could say Were petty,
but people dont forget round these parts. The english took our land and havent given it back.... Yet

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

the English didn't stop buying the houses, because if they did I'd be able to afford to move home.

Edit: were the leaders arrested? I thought one guy (Sion someone I think) was arrested and that was all. Although I think they did reopen the case relatively recently.

[Just A Girl]

Yeah about 6 were arested,
The idiots were using this phone box about a mile up the road.
Just happend to be the least used Phone box in britain didnt it,
Only damn phone calls on it was them.
So they easily traced em.

Also it dint help that they had lists of senior members and insenjury devices hidden in the damn walls Right next to there houses!.

i beleve they only showed 3 faces on the news the night they wer arested.
However thats a while ago. So maby im wrong.

[Just A Girl]

P.s

If your welsh and can speak welsh...
Theres plenty of empty houses around here.
We cant afoard em,
and the english wont buy them...

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

I'd love to come home, I just have to make my fortune first.

I just realised that I have taken this a LONG WAY off topic.

So in answer to the question, to keep it on track, I'd have to say probably not.

[master of the puppets]

speakish some welsh for us ingnorants, i would like to learn it move there and then...FREEDOM (insert pic of braveheart here)

[Just A Girl]

Well fedrai mond dweud petha cymraeg am dan pobol yn bygwrth pobol eraill...

[master of the puppets]

...did you just insult me?

[Just A Girl]

LMAO.

No I said
"Well" i can only say welsh things about people Who threaten other people.

(thats Literaly what it translates to)
Was trying to stay on topic.

[master of the puppets]

thats cool, so you can say welsh stuff about me~D

anyway i have to say your right they were terrorists, scarijng people to bend to there will, but how far is really terroristicly horrifying? running about with an AK-47, burning buildings, bombs, or stealing lunch money?

[Just A Girl]

Well if you ask me,
"terrorists"
Are just Rebels Who are fighting against poression,
Or atleast thats what it seems like.

[master of the puppets]

but if these people who would terrorize innocents for there cause must realize that there rule will not be so peacful.