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According to this Magazine Cover:
https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6223/gmc2nv8mx.jpg
This is legit im sure.
I can't wait!
Thx. goes to this thread for the discovery:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=741763#post741763
It hasn't been revealed yet.
Until CA confirms this I'm gonna believe it is fake.:no:
Grey_Fox
01-10-2006, 15:25
Photoshop.
Catiline
01-10-2006, 15:38
Agreed, that or the magazines layout designeris crap, and CA have chosen a really strange format for the title - Medieval 2: Total War?
Not to say it's not true, but this ain't real
Mithrandir
01-10-2006, 16:33
Moved to Arena.
Kralizec
01-10-2006, 16:38
It was discovered earlier at this forum: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=59399&page=2
The news originally came from an Italian forum (http://www.freeforumzone.com/viewmessaggi.aspx?f=42923&idd=4802), apparently.
They must already determined if it's fake, I can't tell. Italian is gibberish to me.
EDIT: I ran the thread through an online translator, and it doesn't seem that anybody there suspects a forgery.
frogbeastegg
01-10-2006, 20:01
Moved to Entrance Hall.
Dutch_guy
01-10-2006, 21:12
Not getting my hopes up too high.
If it is true - as in officially stated by CA - then I would be pleasantly surprised to say the least
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:balloon2:
Ill believe it when CA says what they are doing next. No point in getting peoples hopes up just to be shot down by something totally different.
1) I hope this is true
2) I hope they don't mess it up like RTW
Trajen the 1st
01-11-2006, 03:26
1:I hope its wrong(i'm sick of Europe!):no:
2:I hope they don't mess it up like RTW
NodachiSam
01-11-2006, 05:50
It would be very odd to go back to the middle ages so soon. Heck I'm still playing MTW. I am personally hoping they don't do just China TW. I know it has a long tradition of war and violence but I'm inclined to find Chinese history rather dull and unengaging personally. I'd rather get something like Mongol or Stepe Total war or whatever is approprirate for the mongol era. It has more diversity I think and is thus more interesting than being centred on China. That could involve Japane, Korea, China, Manchuria maybe, Mongols, Tibetens, possibly novogord (kinda far west for the scope), Indian kingdoms (They held off the mongols) and random stepe (I spell that wrong I just know it) tribes. I can't imagine they'd go back so soon.
Trajen the 1st
01-11-2006, 07:04
I was thinking the exact same thing. "Lord of the Earth:TW" With Mongels, Mamluks, Chinsese, maybe Japanese, Russia,(they also repelled the mongels) Byzantuim, Sejuks(Ottmans?), India i mean dang it would rock so hard!:thrasher: :hippie:
Plus if they did extend to Europe in either an Expak or in the Vanilla release poeple would still sort of get MTW2 but without factions like France Spian and England. They would still get Hungary, Russia, Bulgaria and Poland(maybe thats pushing TOO west though)and they'd have to have China since the Mongels conqoured it. This way everbody would be happy! :)
Kralizec
01-11-2006, 12:33
The Russians didn't repel any mongols. Novogrod agreed to become a vassal of the Mongols, and so managed to survive.
I'm also a bit sceptical about MTW2, why would CA cover an era they already did cover pretty well with MTW and VI?
On the other hand they seemingly have covered any era wich gets enough people exited. Medieval Japan, medieval Europe, ancient Rome...what else is there? The Napoleonic era is IMO not cut out for a TW game, and China probably wouldn't appeal to most gamers - OUTSIDE of China that is.
Personally I'd love to seem them go even further back, to ancient Assyria or the Old Kingdom, but that's probably just wishful thinking. I'll settle for MTW2 :2thumbsup:
Dutch_guy
01-11-2006, 13:31
OUTSIDE of China that is.
they won't mind, they'll be earning more money from those millions of Chinese fanatics than they would ever earn from us.~;)
:balloon2:
hellenes
01-11-2006, 19:02
they won't mind, they'll be earning more money from those millions of Chinese fanatics than they would ever earn from us.~;)
:balloon2:
With copied pirated games?
And without ANY Multiplayer strong enough to make the Chinese pirates to buy original games for the CD key?
Hellenes
King Noob the Stupid
01-11-2006, 19:16
But can
1. the average Chinese afford a computer?
2. this computer run the RTW engine?
ForVictory
01-11-2006, 21:22
Novogrod agreed to become a vassal of the Mongols, and so managed to survive.
Wrong! Novgord fought a battle against them and won. It was Moscovy that became a vassal.
The Chinese Government would probably take offense and ban it over some tiny inaccuracy anyway....we all know what CA are like with history
*hides*
The Chinese Government would probably take offense and ban it over some tiny inaccuracy anyway....we all know what CA are like with history
*hides*
Hey, I wouldn't disparage CA too much when it comes to historical accuracy. Yes, they probably took too many liberties with Rome, but they did a pretty decent job with both Shogun and Medieval. So yeah, you'd better run and hide! :viking: ~D
Kralizec
01-12-2006, 00:56
As if Chinese history books are the epitome of accuracy :laugh4:
NodachiSam
01-12-2006, 02:10
As if Chinese history books are the epitome of accuracy :laugh4:
Lol.
Lanemerkel1
01-12-2006, 05:56
1:I hope its wrong(i'm sick of Europe!):no:
2:I hope they don't mess it up like RTW
Shogun Total War 2 would be nice :idea2:
Hey, I wouldn't disparage CA too much when it comes to historical accuracy. Yes, they probably took too many liberties with Rome, but they did a pretty decent job with both Shogun and Medieval. So yeah, you'd better run and hide! :viking: ~D
I am not quite sure about that. S:TW was a very simplistic representation of samurai warfare. M:TW was more detailed, but also contained many small errors and balancing problems (the Muslims were seriously underpowered, except for the Turks once they get Janissaries). They may not have contained any glaring errors like the pharaoh-style Egyptians, but otherwise I wouldn't call them more accurate than R:TW.
x-dANGEr
01-12-2006, 17:40
I am not quite sure about that. S:TW was a very simplistic representation of samurai warfare. M:TW was more detailed, but also contained many small errors and balancing problems (the Muslims were seriously underpowered, except for the Turks once they get Janissaries). They may not have contained any glaring errors like the pharaoh-style Egyptians, but otherwise I wouldn't call them more accurate than R:TW.
As far as I remember Muslims were the strongest nation that time in the world. They conquered Constantinople.. And were spread from China to Spain. (They had Spain too at that time I think). I'm a muslim that's why I know such things..
ChaosLord
01-12-2006, 18:01
You mean the Ottomans conquered Constanstinople. But anyway i'm really hoping they don't do a remake of STW or MTW. Whenever remakes start they never stop and we just end up getting fed rehashed crap for however long the series can survive. I'm not Chinese but I think a China: Total War(or a more appropiate Three Kingdoms: Total War) would be a great next step for the series. I really hate people talking about how noone would be interested in Chinese history when the series was founded with a game on Japanese history.
The "average" person wouldn't know alot about either and STW still got alot of praise and a strong fanbase. Anyway, i'll quit ranting and hope this is all a hoax. Because if its a MTW2 i'm not going to bother buying it.
I am not quite sure about that. S:TW was a very simplistic representation of samurai warfare. M:TW was more detailed, but also contained many small errors and balancing problems (the Muslims were seriously underpowered, except for the Turks once they get Janissaries). They may not have contained any glaring errors like the pharaoh-style Egyptians, but otherwise I wouldn't call them more accurate than R:TW.
Oh, I'm not claiming CA didn't miss a lot of stuff on the first two (I definitely agree with your statement about the Muslims being underpowered in MTW). Perhaps I should rephrase what I said, and simply say that Shogun and Medieval is less historically *innacurate* than Rome. ~;p
Honestly, though, I really do think Rome is noticably worse. When you consider how absurdly underpowered the Carthaginians are (and even the Greeks to some exent), how overpowered the Egyptians are, and then throw in all the fantasy units (Archanii, Screeching Women, etc.) that CA added, I don't think Rome comes anywhere near the other two games in terms of historical accuracy. If Shogun and Medieval are approximately 50% realistic (I'm just throwing random numbers around for comparison's sake), then in my opinion Rome is only 20% realistic--and it shows.
With Shogun and Medieval, they at least feel realistic enough that I easily get lost in the gameworld while carving out my kingdom. When I play Rome, the many historical inaccuracies make it almost impossible to suspend my disbelief in the same way. As much as I'd like to say otherwise, with Rome I'm always reminded that I'm playing a *game*, instead of losing myself in building an empire....
Personally, I would welcome another version of MTW – if, and ONLY IF it also came with marked improvements to the AI engine. There's one thing about latter versions of some gaming software that absolutely irks me, and that is including more "cheats" rather than improving on the AI in order to make the game more challenging (in my opinion, CIV is a classical example of this). I for one would rather see game developers spend more time on an evolving AI and less time on programming additional "skins" around the same old internals.
Lucas the Great
01-12-2006, 19:18
COMRADES!!! We have an official confirmation. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=745688#post745688
Erm where in that post do we have an official confirmation? It can be considered official when a CA dev says so or when a pc magazine brings out an article like we will see early next month.
CBR
The Stranger
01-12-2006, 21:22
I am not quite sure about that. S:TW was a very simplistic representation of samurai warfare. M:TW was more detailed, but also contained many small errors and balancing problems (the Muslims were seriously underpowered, except for the Turks once they get Janissaries). They may not have contained any glaring errors like the pharaoh-style Egyptians, but otherwise I wouldn't call them more accurate than R:TW.
i wouldnt say that. the turks or egypts always rule alot until the mongols come and then they will just fight with them for ages. and if the spaniards dont advance early youll see whole western europe swarmed with orange
COMRADES!!! We have an official confirmation. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=745688#post745688
That 'confirmation' has about as much weight as if I was to say the next game would be called 'Teletubbies: Total War' with 'Tweenies Invasion' being the EP. That is one person who even admits to being out the current loop, he is not from CA or another credible source.
He may be right, but he has no reason to be.
It was discovered earlier at this forum: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=59399&page=2
The news originally came from an Italian forum (http://www.freeforumzone.com/viewmessaggi.aspx?f=42923&idd=4802), apparently.
They must already determined if it's fake, I can't tell. Italian is gibberish to me.
EDIT: I ran the thread through an online translator, and it doesn't seem that anybody there suspects a forgery.
I confirm! the magazine is on sale:
but mistake they speak about more games not just MTW,...
one is "coming soon" the other by released in October, November
The article is too much long and my English too much poor :sweatdrop:
:wall:
As if Chinese history books are the epitome of accuracy :laugh4:
Hah, the official Chinese museum in Lhasa was one of the funniest, most depressing museums I have ever been to.
"The Chinese liberation of Tibet" hahaha.
HighLord z0b
01-13-2006, 03:38
I just hope that the diplomacy aspect is greatly enhanced, small kingdoms should want to ally with big ones and allies should commit themselves once war breaks out.
Sea battles would be nice but not really vital IMO.
As far as I remember Muslims were the strongest nation that time in the world.
I meant that in M:TW the Muslims are underpowered. They are more a threat due to their hordes of troops than due to any skill (Almohad Urban Militia and Janissary troops excluded), and their heavy cavalry selections seems to be rather weak compared to their historical equivalents.
Oh, I'm not claiming CA didn't miss a lot of stuff on the first two (I definitely agree with your statement about the Muslims being underpowered in MTW). Perhaps I should rephrase what I said, and simply say that Shogun and Medieval is less historically *innacurate* than Rome.
Yes, you are right about that. However, I'd like to point out that S:TW is only historically accurate because it is a very simplistic representation of the way the Japanese fought. R:TW is far more detailed, so obviously there is a bigger chance that they get things wrong. This is no excuse for the Egyptian mess-up, however.
With Shogun and Medieval, they at least feel realistic enough that I easily get lost in the gameworld while carving out my kingdom. When I play Rome, the many historical accuracies make it almost impossible to suspend my disbelief in the same way. As much as I'd like to say otherwise, with Rome I'm always reminded that I'm playing a *game*, instead of losing myself in building an empire....
No argument here ~:cheers: .
However, I'd like to point out that S:TW is only historically accurate because it is a very simplistic representation of the way the Japanese fought. R:TW is far more detailed, so obviously there is a bigger chance that they get things wrong.
True, that is a very good point. While Shogun's simplicity is part of its charm and appeal, it does also make it rather difficult to critique its historical accuracy. And with Rome, I really do appreciate CA's efforts to include "everything but the kitchen sink", even if the end result was far less than ideal.
This is no excuse for the Egyptian mess-up, however.
[chuckle] Indeed. I just think it's funny that the Eggies are one of the strongest factions in both Medieval and Rome. :laugh4:
hey, with everyone calling for historical inaccuracies here and there, why don't they just go the distance: Fantasy: Totalwar.
Think about it: Trolls, orks, goblins, high men, elves *belch* etc. The map would not be earth so you do not know it but discover it instead, there would be no "this unit did not exist" fights among fans, LOTS of room to cover, LOTS of potential for units upgrade (ex. goblin fanatics, berserker dwarves), if they could just balance the factions it could be a very nice addition to the TW game engine.
I love the way we move armies in Rome:TW, my ideal game would be the fights of Medieval:TW with the ability to move your armies just like in Rome:TW, but as someone pointed out, I too am sick of the mediteranean area. I want something to discover as well as a "what the hell is that" feel when I first see a strange unit. When I see any spear unit I know not to send my cav against, if I see "elves wardancers" I do not know (at first) what to do against.
All right, now you all can gang up against that idea. :tomato2:
Grim??! Holy crap, I didn't even know you were real. I've heard you mentioned on (extremely) rare occasions, but I didn't think you actually existed! ~D :bow:
hey, with everyone calling for historical inaccuracies here and there, why don't they just go the distance: Fantasy: Totalwar.
Hey, it's actually in the Top 5 members' choices for the next TW game, so you never know. The idea of a Fantasy Total War game certainly appeals to me, that's for sure! Of course, I strongly doubt that's what the next title is, but stranger things have happened....
All right, now you all can gang up against that idea. :tomato2:
I'll be little against your exact idea, but not the general suggestion then.
Even though it wouldnt be my first (or even 3rd) choice I would still buy a FTW. However, I would not like dwafs, elves, orcs and goblins. I would like them to create new mytho, like the way Rise Of Legends are creating the whole religion Vs tech feel.
I plan to buy Battle For Middle Earth II for all the orcs and elves I could possibly need, so to have a similar TW game...well I wouldnt be preordering it, I'd wait for a price drop.
And with Rome, I really do appreciate CA's efforts to include "everything but the kitchen sink", even if the end result was far less than ideal.
I don't think it was CA's intention to include everything, rather to give the factions their own fighting styles. This was quite ambitious, especially considering balancing issues. They succeeded in creating multiple fighting styles, but not in balancing them. I assume they intended to balance it in the patch, but the number of serious bugs (no MP, primary-secondary, load-save, charge) forced them to first fix the engine and then start balancing (because it seems hard to believe that they planned to wait until the 1.3 patch to solve the balancing issues). If I were CA's boss I would fire the QA department ~:pissed: .
Though fantasy not my thing, a fantasy TW might be a good idea. I prefer a historical setting though, but what I mainly want is for the new game to be moddable and to have A.I. and scripting able to support these mods.
Grim??! Holy crap, I didn't even know you were real. I've heard you mentioned on (extremely) rare occasions, but I didn't think you actually existed!
Tadaaaaa :D
You have me wondering on which occasions and were they to my advantage ;).
I took a prolonged leave of absence, change country ~:eek:, married ~:eek: ~:eek: and then Rome:TW was there so I thought about you guys. Where's Solypsist? Tachikaze? My this board feels different ~:dizzy:
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I love turn-based game, that's why I will not buy battle for middle-earth II. But Fantasy: TW would solve a lot of historical arguement that were (are) the norm here (not that I hate it, it's a good way to learn). Also, it broadens the rock-paper-scissors effect of infantry-missile-cavalry in your units (think about some trolls hurling boulders... it could be a good match against regular cavalry charging).
I love the way the buildings interact with your city in R:TW. I can feel it grow and flourish, something that was not there in M:TW. I love the roads and their effect (they should have thought about plague spreading faster from city to city if you have paved roads or highway though). If they could just tweak the battles a bit so they do not last 30 secs we would have an awesome game.
I would like them to create new mythos
That would be awesome but difficult to realise. Don't know anything about Rise of Legend.
I took a prolonged leave of absence, change country ~:eek:, married ~:eek: ~:eek: and then Rome:TW was there so I thought about you guys. Where's Solypsist? Tachikaze? My this board feels different ~:dizzy:
Yeah, this place has changed a lot since when I first stumbled onto the site ~5 years ago. I haven't seen Soly around in a while; I think he's "semi-retired" from the Org, if you will. I haven't noticed Tach around much either, although that could be just because I don't visit the Shogun part of the forum as often as Medieval and the Entrance Hall. I think a good percentage of the "old guard" are still around, but they just don't participate in board discussions as much as they used to.
:focus:
I love turn-based game, that's why I will not buy battle for middle-earth II. But Fantasy: TW would solve a lot of historical arguement that were (are) the norm here (not that I hate it, it's a good way to learn). Also, it broadens the rock-paper-scissors effect of infantry-missile-cavalry in your units (think about some trolls hurling boulders... it could be a good match against regular cavalry charging).
Agreed. :2thumbsup: I won't say Fantasy is my *first* choice (still prefer China or Medieval 2), but I would definitely buy it, though.
I haven't seen Soly around in a while; I think he's "semi-retired" from the Org, if you will.
Soly took a year or so out while in Japan, but now is very active - moderating the Backroom.
Mouzafphaerre
01-16-2006, 21:35
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Tachikaze is also around. :yes:
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Mouzafphaerre
01-16-2006, 21:38
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So, another hoax? (TOP)
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Soly took a year or so out while in Japan, but now is very active - moderating the Backroom.
Well slap me silly! That would explain why haven't seen him around much then; I rarely visit the Backroom. ~:doh: Guess I should stop in down there more often....
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So, another hoax? (TOP)
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It sure looks that way right now. Even if Medieval 2 *is* the next game (which I doubt, much as I hate to admit it), I'm pretty sure both the announcement in that Italian game forum and that game cover are fake and/or incorrect.
HighLord z0b
01-17-2006, 04:34
I would really prefer the next game not to be fantasy. The good thing about TW is the historical aspect, we have more than enough fantasy games out there.
I find that fantasy games always have a bunch of super-powered wizards or monsters or something, which once you develop enough cannot be stopped. So the entire game ends up being a race to see who can tech up the quickest to produce "Fire Dragon Cavalry" which can only be countered by "High Storm Wizards", there goes all your strategy in battle. It just becomes a race to build the most powerful units. Not very interesting.
It sure looks that way right now. Even if Medieval 2 *is* the next game (which I doubt, much as I hate to admit it), I'm pretty sure both the announcement in that Italian game forum and that game cover are fake and/or incorrect.
http://www.tothegame.com/screenshot.asp?id=4972
Sorry for posting in this thread and the other one, but I guess people will be pretty eager to see these and will comment on them in both, so I thought why not. Plus its quite exciting isnt it?
The Blind King of Bohemia
01-20-2006, 15:22
I believe it is real and i don't want to see anything else tbh. I don't really want an ancient china or an Alexander them. I want to see Medieval 2 and thats my view on it.
KukriKhan
01-20-2006, 16:10
So: It is official. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1042190#post1042190
We'll close this speculation thread, and Invite all to the new thread, linked above.
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