'God Wants This City to be Black'

[Crazed Rabbit]

Slightly paraphrased from New Orleans mayor Ray "Where are the School Buses?" Nagin:

"It's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans _ the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans," the mayor said. "This city will be a majority African American city. It's the way God wants it to be. You can't have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn't be New Orleans." (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/16/D8F65JUG5.html)

Can you imagine the outburst if a white mayor said a rebulit city should be mostly white, and that it was God's will? Some people in here would trip over themselves denouncing him.:inquisitive:

I'll give him some credit for saying black communities need to fix themselves and stop blaming white people, but saying a certain racial composition of a city is more desireable than another is racism.

Crazed Rabbit

[Mongoose]

I think it's clear at this point that Nagin is crazy. I wonder if anyone will try to defend the "New orleans should be mostly black" statement. :no:

I don't think there's much room left for debate in this topic...this reminds me of pat robertson...

[Reenk Roink]

Ah, and now it is the Right's turn... :hide:

[Reverend Joe]

New Orleans should be restored to the way it was. No changing of the balance. That way, I can go down there someday and walk into a bar, and hear some of that good ol' Creedence style New Orleans blues.

:guitarist: :singer: :drummer: :guitarist: "Keep on Chooglin'!"

That, and all of those people won't be homeless.

[Watchman]

*scratches head*
Is that guy for real ? I mean, "chocolate city" ? What the Hell kind of kindergarten talk is that ? Did one of those ten-kilo Gutenberg original-print Bibles fall on his head ?

What the heck is he babbling about anyway ?

...uh, just for the record, what was the "racial composition" of New Orleans before the hurricane ?

[Papewaio]

http://www.cybercandy.co.uk/acatalog/827.jpg

[Devastatin Dave]

Maybe he wants to be Willy Wonka?
Yup, it would be a cold day in hell if a white mayer would stand up and say, "Bruthas and Sistas, the Lord did put the smack down on our City, but I promise you this, we will be a vanilla city once again without the chocolate chips!!!"
Vote Democrat and blame whitey, its always easier than getting a job.

[Sartaq]

:laugh4: Nagin is a funny guy.

[Redleg]

*scratches head*
Is that guy for real ? I mean, "chocolate city" ? What the Hell kind of kindergarten talk is that ? Did one of those ten-kilo Gutenberg original-print Bibles fall on his head ?

What the heck is he babbling about anyway ?

...uh, just for the record, what was the "racial composition" of New Orleans before the hurricane ?

The majority of the population was indeed Black. I believe the number is somethng like 60%.

http://www.ace.uiuc.edu/classes/up406/samples/2VanderNO01.pdf#search='racial%20composition%20of%20New%20Orleans'

[Watchman]

So he's really just talking about moving all the folks back in, except in a pretty odious and rather provocative manner ?

Well, I was always a firm believer in the equal right and ability of all men and women under the sun to be turds, anyway.

[Devastatin Dave]

I wonder when Mr Hershey bar is going to move back to the city himself. That's a long commute for him from Texas to make these chocolate speaches.

[Xiahou]

Let's not overlook that Nagin also said, in the same speech, that God sent hurricanes Katrina and Rita to punish America and then outlined an imaginary conversation he had with MLK. :dizzy2:

[Papewaio]

Actually reading the speech it seems it is about restoring New Orleans, that the hurricane was a punishment for the behaviour of black people, and that it is the black mans responsibility to fix himself.

This is a totally different view then I got from the snippet in the first post...


"Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it's destroyed and put stress on this country," Nagin, who is black, said as he and other city leaders marked Martin Luther King Day.

"Surely he doesn't approve of us being in Iraq under false pretenses. But surely he is upset at black America also. We're not taking care of ourselves."

Nagin also promised that New Orleans will be a "chocolate" city again. Many of the city's black neighborhoods were heavily damaged by Katrina.

"It's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans _ the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans," the mayor said. "This city will be a majority African American city. It's the way God wants it to be. You can't have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn't be New Orleans."

[Pape: as it was a majority African American city]

Nagin described an imaginary conversation with King, the late civil rights leader.

"I said, `What is it going to take for us to move on and live your dream and make it a reality?' He said, `I don't think that we need to pay attention any more as much about other folks and racists on the other side.' He said, `The thing we need to focus on as a community _ black folks I'm talking about _ is ourselves.'"

Nagin said he also asked: "Why is black-on-black crime such an issue? Why do our young men hate each other so much that they look their brother in the face and they will take a gun and kill him in cold blood?"

The reply, Nagin said, was: "We as a people need to fix ourselves first."

[Crazed Rabbit]

This is a totally different view then I got from the snippet in the first post...

Perhaps you missed where I said:

I'll give him some credit for saying black communities need to fix themselves and stop blaming white people,

I think the city had originally, as Redleg said, a black majority. Ironically, a disproportionately large percentage of white people died in the aftermath of Katrina.

Crazed Rabbit

[KafirChobee]

Are those siding against the Mayor simply white trash crackers? Or, are you simply ignorant about he history of the Big Easy? 70%+ were black, it is that simple. Is one of the reasons the city got so little attention or support.

To snip out a phrase from an entire speech and make it into the entire concept is, of course, an old right wing tactic from the dirty tricks day of "Tricky Dicky" (and now the new days of the new Republican party). Still. it is to be expected from those that would under mine the efforts of someone actually attempting to rebuild a city he loved - versus someone that has ignored the problems since the disaster (namely - Bush43).

New Orleans is still without power - 40%. Its former inhabitants are at the mercy of the federal government - the state needs federal funds that have been denied and withheld by FEMA. 82% of the request for loans to rebuild have been denied - because those requesting them don'ts makes enuffs munys. The entire feascal is a scam - by realtors and the present executive branch that empowers them. The probability is ... N.O. will become the next great white owned and operated vacationing place - in a decade.

/edit - language, and yes i know the context and spelling and it's still not acceptable.

[English assassin]

Ironically, a disproportionately large percentage of white people died in the aftermath of Katrina.

380 bodies from New Orleans identified, 33 percent were white, when, according to the study, the white population of New Orleans was only 28 percent (LA Times (24 december 2005) cited in Wiki)

Not a statistically significant deviation I'd bet.

Also The U.S. Census Bureau estimates the 2004 New Orleans population to be 20.0% white and 67.9% black, , so it seems not completely unreasonable that the mayor should be saying the rebuilt city should be majority black.

[Xiahou]

Also The U.S. Census Bureau estimates the 2004 New Orleans population to be 20.0% white and 67.9% black, , so it seems not completely unreasonable that the mayor should be saying the rebuilt city should be majority black.I'd say it's unreasonable and borderline racist. What the hell does it matter what color the people are who move back into New Orleans? What if it had been a predominantly white city with a white mayor- would it be acceptable for him to say "I want this to be a white city again"? I think not.


Are those siding against the Mayor simply white trash crackers? Or, are you simply ignorant about he history of the Big Easy? 70%+ were black, it is that simple. Is one of the reasons the city got so little attention or support.~:rolleyes:

[Reenk Roink]

How typical that some people will condemn Nagin for his comments in what was probably a motavational speech to a black audience, yet be quick to point out that the part about blacks looking out for themselves is good... ~:rolleyes:

[English assassin]

What if it had been a predominantly white city with a white mayor- would it be acceptable for him to say "I want this to be a white city again"? I think not

It would be perfectly aceptable to say that the people who were forced out of the city should be the people who come back to the city. Specifically referring to them as white would be ill advised, but if you can't see that the rather different histories of the blacks and the whites in the southern US are going to lead to some differences today, I can't really argue the point.

After someone has shipped white Americans off across an ocean to be a slave, and then kept them segregated and disenfranchised for another 100 years or so, then I guess they would have the right to be cut a bit of slack in their racial terminology in speeches too. Just my two cents.

[Fragony]

I think he was just reffering to black culture, it is the city of jazz after all.

[thrashaholic]

After someone has shipped white Americans off across an ocean to be a slave, and then kept them segregated and disenfranchised for another 100 years or so, then I guess they would have the right to be cut a bit of slack in their racial terminology in speeches too. Just my two cents.

Apologies for veering off the course of the topic, but how about white christian slaves captured in arab pirate raids around Europe (not white Americans I know, but the same race), who were then sold around the arab world and south into deepest darkest Africa, segregated and disenfrachised because they were christian? Blacks aren't the only race to have sufferred the ills of slavery at the hands of another race and it would be a misrepresentation and somewhat disrespectful to say so in my opinion.

On the article: I think what this chap's said is a little silly, even the gumpf about blacks 'fixing themselves'. A mayor shouldn't really show any preference for the racial make-up of his city, whatever his reasons (I would theorise that he may want a black majority in order to assist his being re-elected). The comments about 'black-on-black' violence and crime seem fairly unpleasant too, making no reference to black-on-white violence, he should have said violence as a whole is wrong, not show a preference as to where violence and crime perpetrated by blacks is directed.

It seems to me that most all of his comments were innapropriate to a certain degree, even if he wants New Orleans to return to as it was prior to the hurricanes.

[English assassin]

how about white christian slaves captured in arab pirate raids around Europe (not white Americans I know, but the same race), who were then sold around the arab world and south into deepest darkest Africa, segregated and disenfrachised because they were christian? Blacks aren't the only race to have sufferred the ills of slavery at the hands of another race and it would be a misrepresentation and somewhat disrespectful to say so in my opinion

OK, any descendants of those slaves would be entitled to be a bit ticked off with the Arabs. I wasn't saying all blacks, I was saying blacks who are specifically and closely related to blacks who have suffered in the South. And just before anyone does a number on me I wasn't suggesting that even those blacks are owed a living by anyone, just that we can maybe turn a blind eye to the occasional racial remark that we wouldn't be so understanding of coming out of whitey's mouth.

[doc_bean]

On the article: I think what this chap's said is a little silly, even the gumpf about blacks 'fixing themselves'. A mayor shouldn't really show any preference for the racial make-up of his city, whatever his reasons (I would theorise that he may want a black majority in order to assist his being re-elected). The comments about 'black-on-black' violence and crime seem fairly unpleasant too, making no reference to black-on-white violence, he should have said violence as a whole is wrong, not show a preference as to where violence and crime perpetrated by blacks is directed.


It was a speech on Martin Luther King day, of course he'll try to say something about the black community to make them feel as an actual community instead of a bunch of people who happen to have the same skin colour...

[el_slapper]

I'd mainly said that anyone pretending knowing what "the way God wants [something] to be" is crazy, or dangerous, or both. :help:

[Devastatin Dave]

Did anyone hear the audio, he sounded like a vroken down Baptist preacher who had sipped a little too much off his 40.
LOL, I guess when New Orleans becomes a chocolate city again, that is code for huge welfare, crime, and curroption.

[Fragony]

/edited

adding a smiley and disclaimer doesn't make it okay to make comments like this.

[Byzantine Prince]

Seeing as some of the population was voodoo, saying that they are "chocolate" only enhances the apeal that city has to sickos.

Mmmmmm, the land of chocolate.
https://img5.imageshack.us/img5/580/whatregisteringfeelslike5jg.jpg
Bwahhahahahaha!

[Goofball]

LOL, I guess when New Orleans becomes a chocolate city again, that is code for huge welfare, crime, and curroption.

Sometimes, you guys are funny.

But sometimes, you just make me ashamed to know you.

[Major Robert Dump]

NewOrleans had above the national average for: violent crime/welfare recipients/babies out of wedlock.

the city of New Orleans also drew in more tourism dollars than some entire states, yet it still was a dump

The door swings both ways here, there is more to blame for the katrina disaster than just a "racist federal government", like for example the mayor and the governor of louisiana

What they need to do, though, is stop with the entitlement mentality. What about the city meeting last week when displaced residents -- most of them renters -- were shouting down a developer because he is going to put nice apartments where crappy rent houses used to be. Did they own the land? Isn't the developer working for below-standard fees?

What also concerns me, though, is the use of imminent domain for people who actually did own their land, and FEMA being behind on reimbursing hotel/motel owners who have to house leeches for free

Personally, I never plan to visit the place again because of the way the city has behaved post katrina. They can have their chocolate city.

[Fragony]

The door swings both ways here, there is more to blame for the katrina disaster than just a "racist federal government", like for example the mayor and the governor of louisiana


They were told to leave. They stay anyway. Did I miss something? Some nerve they have....

And Goofball, don't be such a bore, it was just a joke.

[Devastatin Dave]

Sometimes, you guys are funny.

But sometimes, you just make me ashamed to know you.
LOL, nothing I said was worse than what Nagin said. Did I say anything about race? Nope. I said that New Orleans will be a chocolate city again, being code for "huge welfare, crime, and curroption." because that's what they had before the storm. Did I say Black people, no, you came to that conclusion. Maybe you should be ashamed of yourself. Do you not like blacks or something?

[Mikeus Caesar]

1) The city was founded by whites and is in the deep south of USA. Surely by having a 'chocolate town' he's making NO a big magnet for racists to hold rallies in.

2) God's will? From what i've seen of God's will, God doesn't want your stinkin' city left above water, never mind being turned into a chocolate town. If it is God's will, he's obviously annoyed at the fact he didn't try hard enough last time to kill you, Mr Nagin.

[Major Robert Dump]

They were told to leave. They stay anyway. Did I miss something? Some nerve they have....

And Goofball, don't be such a bore, it was just a joke.


Sometimes it takes more then "told to leave", like mobilizing all the city school buses to bus people out (yes, the 100s of buses that sat unused and got buried in water). It's not so easy to pull up strings and evacuate when you work for $7 an hour and ride the bus ev erywhere. Oh, And good old fashioned martial law would have helped. Yeah, people would have kicked and screamed and accused the governor of being Hitler, but then after the cane hit she would have looked like a freaking genius. These are the sorts of things that fall on the mayor and the governor, they can't expect FEMA to do everything, although FEMAs director was a bit of a jackass too

[Major Robert Dump]

LOL, nothing I said was worse than what Nagin said. Did I say anything about race? Nope. I said that New Orleans will be a chocolate city again, being code for "huge welfare, crime, and curroption." because that's what they had before the storm. Did I say Black people, no, you came to that conclusion. Maybe you should be ashamed of yourself. Do you not like blacks or something?


No, he doesn't like chocolate

[Devastatin Dave]

No, he doesn't like chocolate
I guess...
Well let's try this on for size, for Goofball's sake and so he can bloviate about his so called shame of knowing me.
If God had really wanted to punish the black people in New Orleans he would have killed all the white people not only in New Orleans but throughout the whole US. That way there would not be enough money from Tax revenues or a workforce to provide money and support to the free loaders that have been living off the system their entire lives. Most of the "refugees" are still living in hotels and still don't have jobs. Guess its easier to vote democrat and blame whitey than fill out an application, That's how God would have truelly punished New Orleans. No matter what Nagin says, he needs whitey for his money for bling, cribs, bitches, and 40's. Now Goofy, you have something to be ashamed of baby!!! :laugh4:

[Major Robert Dump]

I guess...
Well let's try this on for size, for Goofball's sake and so he can bloviate about his so called shame of knowing me.
If God had really wanted to punish the black people in New Orleans he would have killed all the white people not only in New Orleans but throughout the whole US. That way there would not be enough money from Tax revenues or a workforce to provide money and support to the free loaders that have been living off the system their entire lives. Most of the "refugees" are still living in hotels and still don't have jobs. Guess its easier to vote democrat and blame whitey than fill out an application, That's how God would have truelly punished New Orleans. No matter what Nagin says, he needs whitey for his money for bling, cribs, bitches, and 40's. Now Goofy, you have something to be ashamed of baby!!! :laugh4:


But if all the white people were dead who would get the blame for all the problems? Mayonaisse? Or Korean store owners?

[Devastatin Dave]

But if all the white people were dead who would get the blame for all the problems? Mayonaisse? Or Korean store owners?
Oh that's easy to answer. the Korean store owners. When those cops in LA beat the crap out of Rodney King, that's who the blacks blamed when they went looting after Whitey held them down again. Korean store owners have been paying the high price of cracker ass cracker racism for years now.

[Major Robert Dump]

They should use affirmative action to grant rebuilding contracts to ASIAN contactors. Now that would be ironic.

[The Stranger]

Mommy People Are Saying "ugly" Things In Here

Like "devastating Dave" And "goofball"...aaaaaaa

[Devastatin Dave]

They should use affirmative action to grant rebuilding contracts to ASIAN contactors. Now that would be ironic.
That's a great idea. It would make for better looting for the "community" next time something like this happens to the City Under the Sea level.:idea2:

[The Stranger]

I think i found Atlantis :idea2:

new orleands and atlantis...over lap it with each other in greek and Yull get almost identical names:book:

[Major Robert Dump]

Oh this is too good.....this is the good mayor explaining

http://thepoliticalteen.com/video/chocolatemeans.wmv

[Proletariat]

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

I used to just think he was a buffoon but I guess he's really just a four-year-old minded manchild. What a wordsmith.

[Reenk Roink]

Apologies for veering off the course of the topic, but how about white christian slaves captured in arab pirate raids around Europe (not white Americans I know, but the same race), who were then sold around the arab world and south into deepest darkest Africa, segregated and disenfrachised because they were christian? Blacks aren't the only race to have sufferred the ills of slavery at the hands of another race and it would be a misrepresentation and somewhat disrespectful to say so in my opinion.

Slavery existed everywhere, though the plantation slavery by the colonists is usually at the worst end of it...

No point in trying to share the blame with Arabs or Africans, at least so W.E.B Dubois seems to think...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

We need to stage a debate:

President Bush v. Mayor Nagin


Who would be the first to utter a grammatically correct paragraph?

Which of them can speak for longer than 30 seconds in standard American English?

Which of them uses the Bible to take the moral high ground more effectively?

Which of them is personally responsible for the greatest number of people made homeless?

How did the former use his powerful communication skills to win two elections, and what is keeping the latter out of Parish prison?



We could put this puppy on pay-per-view and make a mint. Leno and the other comics wouldn't have to write material for a month.

[Reenk Roink]

We need to stage a debate:

President Bush v. Mayor Nagin

:laugh4: Good Idea




Who would be the first to utter a grammatically correct paragraph?

If it occurs, most likely Nagin...


Which of them can speak for longer than 30 seconds in standard American English?

Tough, I really can't decide...Nagin might jump into to that New Oahhlaahns dialect or less likely, Ebonics, and we all know President Bush.


Which of them uses the Bible to take the moral high ground more effectively?

Bush, though Nagin had a good one in the abovementioned speech.


Which of them is personally responsible for the greatest number of people made homeless?

Bush, hands down.


How did the former use his powerful communication skills to win two elections, and what is keeping the latter out of Parish prison?

These are the kinds of questions that keep me up at night...



In all honesty, the person who should be given control of the entire world (after me of course) is Kwame Kilpatrick...~D

[Goofball]

I guess...
Well let's try this on for size, for Goofball's sake and so he can bloviate about his so called shame of knowing me.
If God had really wanted to punish the black people in New Orleans he would have killed all the white people not only in New Orleans but throughout the whole US. That way there would not be enough money from Tax revenues or a workforce to provide money and support to the free loaders that have been living off the system their entire lives. Most of the "refugees" are still living in hotels and still don't have jobs. Guess its easier to vote democrat and blame whitey than fill out an application, That's how God would have truelly punished New Orleans. No matter what Nagin says, he needs whitey for his money for bling, cribs, bitches, and 40's. Now Goofy, you have something to be ashamed of baby!!! :laugh4:

Glad to see the real Dave is back. The intolerant one who actually does believe that black people do nothing but collect welfare and drain the economy.

How long did playing at being a Christian last Dave? One week? Two?

I hope you also didn't make quitting smoking a New Year's Resolution. You'll be in an iron lung inside of six months.

[Devastatin Dave]

Don't worry Goofy, still smoking like a chimney. I'll be in the grave sooner than you can say, "I hate George Bush" much to your delight I'm sure.:skull: :2thumbsup:

[Devastatin Dave]

Glad to see the real Dave is back. The intolerant one who actually does believe that black people do nothing but collect welfare and drain the economy.

How long did playing at being a Christian last Dave? One week? Two?

I hope you also didn't make quitting smoking a New Year's Resolution. You'll be in an iron lung inside of six months.
BTW Goofy, let me axe you a question...
I live just outside of East St Louis. I've seen what these"well-intention" policies have done to a black community first hand. From the two muggings on public transit this summer and the attempted car jacking last week I've recieved from some of these "chocolate" persons Mr Nagin wants repopulating his city so he can get reelected, not because of merit, but because of his skin color and definitly not of the good work his done, do you live in a predomitly black community of even near one? Do you have any idea what cities with a majority of a black population are like? Yes, you can chalk it up to poverty, but why is there so much rampent poverty in these area? With the ridiculous amount of money pumped into the "community" and still no good fruit beared except of a very small minority, what is the underline cause for this? Is it the evil republicans that are holding the black man down? Is it the failed social programs that the dems have pimped out to the "community" leaders?
here's the main question...
The thread is about Ray Nagins comments. Instead of tlaking about the topic you instead turn the subject to suit your agenda. Do you or do you not find Nagins comments racist in the least? Can you actually bring yourelf to say that what he ahs done and said now not to be racist? I'm waiting on pins and needles to see if you will possibly actually comment on the topic on hand or just attack anyone that is staying on topic about the true devisive comments by a puplic figure and not some obscure "racist" like myself on a gaming forum? Good luck, I'm sure you're smart enough to give an answer on the topic of this thread.:book:

[Xiahou]

Oh this is too good.....this is the good mayor explaining

http://thepoliticalteen.com/video/chocolatemeans.wmv


NAGIN: Do you know anything chocolate? How do you make chocolate? You take dark chocolate, you mix it with white milk, and it becomes a delicious drink. That’s the chocolate I’m talking about. Oh man that cracked me up. :laugh:

Nice cover Ray! :wink:

[Papewaio]

Chocolate is often about 60% cocoa solids and 20% milk solids. :laugh4:

[Devastatin Dave]

I bet nagin can make one mean milk shake though.:laugh4:

[Watchman]

And *I* think it shows all too well the US was in parts still practising what amounts to very little short of de facto apartheid well into the previous century. Sheesh.

Here's a bit of an acid test for seeing if you're prejudiced or not - if you know someone commits a crime, is your first reflex to put the blame on his personal circumstances or his reference group ? I know at least one person present on the thread who flunks...

That's a good one for doing some self-analysis though. I recommend employing that little questionnaire early and often.

[Redleg]

And *I* think it shows all too well the US was in parts still practising what amounts to very little short of de facto apartheid well into the previous century. Sheesh.

And from this board I can take and from the news reports out of Europe - most of Europe is practising what amounts to apartheid even worse then the United States.



Here's a bit of an acid test for seeing if you're prejudiced or not - if you know someone commits a crime, is your first reflex to put the blame on his personal circumstances or his reference group ? I know at least one person present on the thread who flunks...


I don't even look at the personal circumstances - if one commits a crime its the fault of the individual and his poor/bad decision making.

[el_slapper]

And from this board I can take and from the news reports out of Europe - most of Europe is practising what amounts to apartheid even worse then the United States. (.../...)

Dunno the US, but for EU, somewhat true, somewhat not. The huge main difference is that racial diversity is a newcomer over there - was nearly unexistent in WWII era. What different people are there now? Newcomers, aka immigrants, aka economical immigrants, aka (very) poor people travelling to a richer country.

So where do they go? Where loans are cheaper, as they are the poorer from inhabitants for now. So having areas nearly full of them is not easy to avoid - at least as long as they keep coming in numbers(and the flow does'nt seem to stop). Those of the 2nd or 3rd generation who achieve getting a better life go to better places, melt with the general populace, & disappear from sight. Those who don't, stay - and stay in group. Here is the ghetto effect. The main problem I see is that some huge areas have been dedicated to cheap flats, instead of many smaller ones. This does make the ghetto effect pretty nasty.