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Vladimir
01-31-2006, 16:19
Of why Islamists need to be defeated. If Denmark gives in to this pressure the free world will have lost another battle.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4664408.stm
Proletariat
01-31-2006, 16:32
On one hand, you don't seem to see much disparaging of Jesus from the Muslim world. On the other, you don't seem to see many Westerners rioting over murdered artists or kidnapping/beheadings.
Sjakihata
01-31-2006, 16:34
In Denmark, 10 years ago, there was a movie about Jesus sexual life. There was a public outrage, it is the same thing happening in the middle east. It is a shame it is costing danish jobs.
This is officially an issue between freedom of speech and religious tolerance.
This is ridiculous. Ambassadors are being withdrawn over a cartoon in a newspaper? I think some of our Muslim friends need to lighten up. It's not because they are banned from depicting Muhammad that this rule should apply to everyone on this globe, is it?
At any rate it's completely nonsensical to expect an apology from the Danish government. It's very telling that the Danes had to explain to the Arabs how in this part of the world, newspapers can print what they want.
Mind you, I'd be just as annoyed with fundamental christians protesting depictions of Jesus that they think are offensive. If you don't like it, just ignore it already.
Or better yet - forgive the perpetrators.
Sjakihata
01-31-2006, 16:51
It is not so much that Mohammad was depicted. It was more the way he was it, eg. with a turban and an ignited bomb sticking out of his turban. That is clearly a referance to all moslems is a terrorists, that is what makes them furious - and with good reason.
These pictures were printed 4 months ago, so the uproar is a little late - that is probably because some forces are trying to use the cartoons as a cover for mass moslem protests and egocentric agendas.
Wow. Talk about losing your focus and getting worked up about the trivial. Saudi recalled an ambassador over a cartoon? Well, huh. If the wahhabis wanted to demonstrate that peacful coesxistence with them is impossible, as our President would say, Mission Accomplished.
Leet Eriksson
01-31-2006, 18:01
The reason for the drawings i understand was in response to a book published about the life of the prophet that doesn't depict pictures, so jyllands-posten published these pictures to re-affirm that denmark still has freedom of speech, unfortunately the way they were drawn pissed of the danish muslims, so they sent a delegate to saudia arabia (thats why the outrage came late) and it all went out of hand.
Ah well, the damage was done. The newspaper apologised so lets see what happens next.
That is clearly a referance to all moslems is a terrorists, that is what makes them furious - and with good reason.
And the mostest furioustest of all are the Saudis, those shining examples of freedom and enlightened government. I can understand that your everyday muslim may be somewhat offended (though they really shouldn't make that much of it) but Saudi-Arabia might want to polish its own image a bit before piping up about cartoons in Scandinavian countries.
And then of course there's the nuttiest of them all, the people who feel that innocents should pay for this with their blood. Lots of it, I presume.
I also just noticed this:
Meanwhile pan-Arab organisations have begun efforts to reach a UN resolution, backed by possible sanctions, to protect religions from insults.
I'm very suspicious of any protection from 'insults'. What exactly constitutes an insult anyway? And moreover, why shouldn't cartoons insult? Isn't that what cartoons do?
If they recall ambassadors, does that mean they plan an invasion from the sea?:dizzy2:
Taffy_is_a_Taff
01-31-2006, 18:16
If they recall ambassadors, does that mean they plan an invasion from the sea?:dizzy2:
yes
Leet Eriksson
01-31-2006, 18:39
If they recall ambassadors, does that mean they plan an invasion from the sea?:dizzy2:
Yes they will invade denmark with a huge amount of stupid.
I really hope things get better between denmark and the muslim world, i really do. Its just sad our leaders are demonising the most tolerant nations on earth and banning their products.
Just recently 11,000 danes lost their jobs becuase of this stupid boycott.
11,000?
I just don´t get it...
As if nobody else had ever made fun of Mohammed?
Rodion Romanovich
01-31-2006, 18:53
Interesting to see what that results in. Maybe blown out of proportion by media. In any case it's obvious that what a newspaper does isn't something the nation that the newspaper is located in should apologize for. I don't understand this hostile attitude towards Denmark. Afaik the only thing the nation itself has supported in terms of actions that could be disputable, was sending a submarine to the Iraq war. A submarine... I wonder if that at all can be counted as taking part in the war...
Or has there been any other incidents that I'm unaware of?
Leet Eriksson
01-31-2006, 19:03
11,000?
I just don´t get it...
As if nobody else had ever made fun of Mohammed?
well this one got alot of media air for some reason... :wall:
Oh here is a gem from Bill Clinton:
Former president Bill Clinton warned of rising anti-Islamic prejudice, comparing it to historic anti-Semitism as he condemned the publishing of the cartoons.
"So now what are we going to do? ... Replace the anti-Semitic prejudice with anti-Islamic prejudice?" he said at an economic conference in the Qatari capital of Doha.
"In Europe, most of the struggles we've had in the past 50 years have been to fight prejudices against Jews, to fight against anti-Semitism," he said.
Clinton described the cartoons as "appalling".
"None of us are totally free of stereotypes about people of different races, different ethnic groups, and different religions ... there was this appalling example in northern Europe, in Denmark ... these totally outrageous cartoons against Islam," he said.
Clinton criticized the tendency to generalize negative news of Islam.
"Because people see headlines that they don't like [they will] apply that to a whole religion, a whole faith, a whole region and a whole people?" he asked.
I kinda agree with him... but still doesn't stop the entire incident from becoming the most overhyped since Salman Rushdies "Satanic Verses" debacle.
Vladimir
01-31-2006, 19:05
I like this:
The newspaper apologised so
forgive the perpetrators.
Makes sense to me.
Norwegian flags are burning too. :no:
https://img495.imageshack.us/img495/6379/1138628486073176nv.jpg
Since their demands never will be met, I`m wondering what the solution to this will be.. Luckily, we are not experiencing the consequences of the boycott since we do not sell "anything" in the area.
Dear Fizzil,
I hope you didn´t point Clinton´s speech at me, I still love you and have no problem with muslims in general, it´s just obvious that their reaction to making fun of their religion is much worse than mine(I saw the "Life of Brian" twice and didn´t feel the need to burn german flags...).
Regards, Husar <3
Why don´t we (muslims, jews and christians) join forces and hate the catholic church together, because they´re the ones to paint pictures of allah onto the walls and windows?
Templar Knight
01-31-2006, 19:37
Doesn't Scandinavia give huge amounts of money to Palestine?
Ironside
01-31-2006, 19:37
Well, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades have came to the conclution that the threats against Sweden was based on a misunderstanding. :inquisitive:
The threats against Denmark seems to stay on though.
Don Corleone
01-31-2006, 19:39
Okay, just want to make sure that I'm on the right page here...
If Christians take offense to a crucifix being inserted into a jar of urine or fecal matter being smeared over a madonna, they're being small minded and bigoted and need to grow up.
If Muslims take offense to an admittedly tasteless cartoon of Mohammed, they're well within their rights to beat up two empolyees of a Danish company in Saudi Arabia or riot in Gaza?
Hmm, looks like I'm in the wrong religion. How do I get mine onto this 'right to be offended' list?
Leet Eriksson
01-31-2006, 19:48
Dear Fizzil,
I hope you didn´t point Clinton´s speech at me, I still love you and have no problem with muslims in general, it´s just obvious that their reaction to making fun of their religion is much worse than mine(I saw the "Life of Brian" twice and didn´t feel the need to burn german flags...).
Regards, Husar <3
Why don´t we (muslims, jews and christians) join forces and hate the catholic church together, because they´re the ones to paint pictures of allah onto the walls and windows?
No i had no intention to point this speech to anyone, but i thought i might as well post this interesting article about Bill's take on the issue.
Also <3
~;p
Sjakihata
01-31-2006, 19:58
Okay, just want to make sure that I'm on the right page here...
If Christians take offense to a crucifix being inserted into a jar of urine or fecal matter being smeared over a madonna, they're being small minded and bigoted and need to grow up.
If Muslims take offense to an admittedly tasteless cartoon of Mohammed, they're well within their rights to beat up two empolyees of a Danish company in Saudi Arabia or riot in Gaza?
Hmm, looks like I'm in the wrong religion. How do I get mine onto this 'right to be offended' list?
You are on the wrong page. Clearly you have no clue what the debate is over, if you think it is religion you need to read this thread again. :2thumbsup:
for the record: I hate all religious or spiritual people
Ser Clegane
01-31-2006, 20:06
for the record: I hate all religious or spiritual people
You hate people just because they are religeous/spiritual?
:inquisitive:
Sjakihata
01-31-2006, 20:08
ok, hate is probably too strong, more like feel sorry for them actually. But I do hate religious fanaticism, which is in the context of this thread - that's probably why I said hated.
Anyway, Jyllands-Posten two printing offices in Århus and København just received bomb warnings and was emptied, no bombs was found by security is upped.
Sjakihata
01-31-2006, 21:27
Here is the images, I will post it in a link, which you will have to click as to not offend anyone, who does not want to see the images. The reason why I post them is to make clear, that what moslems are angry about is not so much the depictions of the prophet, but rather the resemblance that all moslems are terrorists - and that the prophet also was. That I disagree with.
wiki drawings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_drawings.jpg#file
from the danish E-newspaper: http://www.e-jp.dk/31-01-2006/demo/JP_01-01.html
If any should be offended contact a mod or me via PM and we will remove the drawings.
AggonyDuck
01-31-2006, 22:22
I just don't understand what the fuzz is about here, it's just a cartoon...:dizzy2:
Leet Eriksson
01-31-2006, 23:37
just riling up the ignoramuses who don't get the entire picture.. Denmark will send delegates to negotiate with saudia, i hope it works out.
AntiochusIII
01-31-2006, 23:44
just riling up the ignoramuses who don't get the entire picture.. Denmark will send delegates to negotiate with saudia, i hope it works out.This is one of the few times I hope Denmark delegates went there just to show the middle finger to the King, telling him and his oh-so-glorious people to **** off from disturbing their freedom of speech.
I understand tastelessness can cause anger, but anger does not justify such an ugly response. The Muslim world -- and those who know me in this forum know I never really said this before -- should be ashamed that it let such hatred fly uncontrolled. :shame:
Fanatics.
Sjakihata
02-01-2006, 01:16
The delegation is not going to do much of a difference, the only thing they can do, is to explain the muslim world that freedom of speech cant be controlled by the government, and that the pictures of muhammed doesnt represent the public opinion.
What muslims thinks is, that since it was published in a danish paper, the government must have O.K.ed it, and the government represent the danish people - the delegation must explain that this is not the way things work.
They dont have the authority to apologize, nor should they - an apology is what the muslim world demands, so it is not going to solve anything.
Soulforged
02-01-2006, 03:16
REAL faith acting. Is there anythng more to say...:lipsrsealed:
The reason why I post them is to make clear, that what moslems are angry about is not so much the depictions of the prophet, but rather the resemblance that all moslems are terrorists - and that the prophet also was.
Where have you got that from? Haven`t heard that argument before, and all the [angry] muslims I`ve seen, seems to pissed about that they`ve painted Muhammad in this peculiar way. Besides, I think many of those who are protesting never have seen the drawings themself, but have been told by others that the drawings are offending Muhammad.
Toes that long should be stamped on untill they have the size of a french pancake. So they are mad, aren't they always. Screw them, why change our ways just because the sandlands and it's inhibitants are a minefield full of jihad-buttons. Fun to watch the hysteria though, these backward goats go completily nuts, almost a hate feeding-frenzy :laugh4:
JIHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA :laugh4:
Adrian II
02-01-2006, 12:45
Of why Islamists need to be defeated. If Denmark gives in to this pressure the free world will have lost another battle.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4664408.stmHere is your answer (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4669360.stm).
Hehehe, way to go Frenchies. Dr Goatlove, or how learned how to stop working and love burning cars episode two comming to your local Ghetto part deux :laugh4:
Vladimir
02-01-2006, 13:55
Here is your answer (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4669360.stm).
Another reason for me to despise Adrian. You beat me to the punch. ~;) I was going to post that link. Apparently I'll have to adjust my opinion of the French up by a notch.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060201/wl_nm/religion_denmark_france_dc;_ylt=AovGohg9KBYPqSWKo.cHwpxvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--
My favorite quote from the story: "Enough lessons from these reactionary bigots! There is nothing in these incriminated cartoons that intends to be racist or denigrate any community as such,"
Don Corleone
02-01-2006, 13:58
Here, here, France. As usual, when something good comes out of France, the government, especially Chirac, had nothing to do with it.
Sjakihata
02-01-2006, 16:22
The caricatures are being reprinted all over europe.
I heard that in America there are 'Buy Danish' campaigns. In order to help out danish industries, lol - this is becoming the clash of the civilizations.
Kanamori
02-01-2006, 16:31
What really gets me is how they expect us to live by their religious tenets and now draw muhammed.
As an amateur opinion on the situation, I think that before we can expect some of those there to understand the principle of freedom of speech, they have to first see a way to the truth that is not solely through their Imams, Muhammed, or the Qu'ran.
Here, here, France. As usual, when something good comes out of France, the government, especially Chirac, had nothing to do with it.
Although the cartoons are offensive, I almost wanted people to print more of them too. I fear that provoking them more is a little too 'standoff-ish'.
I heard that in America there are 'Buy Danish' campaigns. In order to help out danish industries, lol - this is becoming the clash of the civilizations.
I was just going to go to the store and thought to myself, "I'll by some Danish stuff," I hope you guys make some good CHOCOLATES that I can find.
I hope none of the countries back down and prosecute out of pressure.
~:grouphug:
Ser Clegane
02-01-2006, 16:31
A commentary on the issue on "Spiegel Online" (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,398532,00.html)
Adrian II
02-01-2006, 16:36
I am having Danish Blue cheese on toast tonight. My apologies to Fourme D'Ambert, but this is done in the best interest of free speech and they won't go belly up in a hurry anyway.
Um, so what else is Danish? https://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6951/miamm22ht.gif (https://imageshack.us)
Ser Clegane
02-01-2006, 16:39
Hmm ... Danish cookies would be nice.
But I am not going to eat those red wiener-like sausages - not even to protect free speech :inquisitive:
Kanamori
02-01-2006, 16:39
I had a danish this morning, but that was mostly symbolic.:book:
Sjakihata
02-01-2006, 16:39
Good danish food products are mostly (nothing new btw) bacon (tulip) and butter (lurpak).
Also dairy products by Arla tends to be of good standards. In fact, danish butter is some of the best, except that of norwegians.
EDIT: faisal, I just heard on the news, that the UAE will be out of butter within the week - is it true?
I am having Danish Blue cheese on toast tonight.
https://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6951/miamm22ht.gif (https://imageshack.us)
Don't....try....the....other....Danish.....cheeses......
Yes it is really that bad, countries have been invaded for less.
doc_bean
02-01-2006, 17:27
It's about time we took a stand against the fundamentalists again. :2thumbsup:
It's about time we took a stand against the fundamentalists again. :2thumbsup:
You mean since the last time we apoligised?
Vladimir
02-01-2006, 17:57
I had a danish this morning, but that was mostly symbolic.:book:
Hmmmm...Now if I can only find a way to make "Freedom Pastries" sound like I'm expressing solidarity.
Crazed Rabbit
02-01-2006, 18:10
What Danish products are there in America?
Heck, I'll have to start calling French Fries 'French Fries' again.
Crazed Rabbit
Adrian II
02-01-2006, 18:14
Don't....try....the....other....Danish.....cheeses......
Yes it is really that bad, countries have been invaded for less.Esrom (the Danish Port Salut) looks good enough to me. ~:)
Sjakihata
02-01-2006, 18:27
You two are cheese gourmets - why cheese of all things
Goofball
02-01-2006, 18:28
I had a danish this morning, but that was mostly symbolic.:book:
If any of you really want to show your solidarity with our Scandinavian brethren, have some lutefisk for dinner tonight.
That will really separate the men from the boys...
http://netnet.net/~pineaire/Lutefisk.html
You two are cheese gourmets - why cheese of all things
Well when I think of Denmark only 3 things come to mind, endless fields of grain, Tivoli, and absolutely horrible oh so smelly cheese that should be banned because it is basicly a biological weapon. Just opening the fridge dear god!
edit: oh 4, Louisiana is awesome.
Adrian II
02-01-2006, 18:55
You two are cheese gourmets - why cheese of all thingsGourmets tour court, my friend. Booze, cheese, pastries, meats, raw herring...
The_Doctor
02-01-2006, 18:58
German, Italian and Spanish newspapers have all printed it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4670370.stm
I would if a British newspaper will print it?
Sjakihata
02-01-2006, 19:25
Gourmets tour court, my friend. Booze, cheese, pastries, meats, raw herring...
Amen, raw herring and booze :2thumbsup:
Louis VI the Fat
02-01-2006, 19:37
Double post
Louis VI the Fat
02-01-2006, 19:41
Let's gather our forces in defence of Denmark! The civilized world should remember the strategic interests we have in the vast Danish øl-reserves.*
I'll be having some freedom frikadelle with patriot pølser in support.
https://img475.imageshack.us/img475/377/denmarkgse09bj.gif (https://imageshack.us)
* 'øl' - beer, not oil.
Sjakihata
02-01-2006, 19:42
Louis, do you have family in denmark, or just a fetish in the quite boring danish cuisine?
Louis VI the Fat
02-01-2006, 20:00
Louis, do you have family in denmark, or just a fetish in the quite boring danish cuisine?I do have a fetish with many things Danish, but no, I'm afraid it isn't your food. ~;)
Here's a subtle hint to my main Danish fetish:
https://img481.imageshack.us/img481/1240/femmes16fr.jpg
Kanamori
02-01-2006, 20:09
You're a freak. What could you do with a sea serpent that large?
Adrian II
02-01-2006, 20:14
Double postCan't hurt to double-post these days, eh?
Can't hurt to double-post these days, eh?
:balloon: Anyway, long live plucky Denmark! :balloon2:
I'll have the, um, frikadelle. With mustard please. Some more. More please. Yes, more mustard. Go right ahead. No, give me the whole jar. There she goes...
Oh my... :inquisitive:
Louis VI the Fat
02-01-2006, 20:19
You're a freak. What could you do with a sea serpent that large?In a Freudian sense, the real question is what all those scantily clad blondes are going to do with the large serpent...
Louis VI the Fat
02-01-2006, 20:21
Can't hurt to double-post these days, eh?Got to think about my postcount, ey? :sweatdrop:
+1 once again
Rodion Romanovich
02-01-2006, 21:38
Is there any place you can actually see the cartoons themselves? Plus are there any muslims here who could comment on exactly what in the cartoons that is so provoking? Seems like the discussion has been a little one sided so far, and by principle I'd like to judge the argumentation on both sides. That said, I doubt anything that could possibly be drawn in cartoons would change my opinion that there's no validity in demands to infringe freedom of press which is a basic part of western democracy, unless the pictures actually break laws and try to cause hatred towards, and generalizations about, muslims in general and so on (which some of my sources seem to indicate was hidden in the pictures, but I can't verify that until I can see the pictures).
That will really separate the men from the boys...
http://netnet.net/~pineaire/Lutefisk.html
Separate those with sense of good taste from those with sense of bad taste, methinks. :inquisitive:
Sjakihata
02-01-2006, 21:57
Here is the images, I will post it in a link, which you will have to click as to not offend anyone, who does not want to see the images. The reason why I post them is to make clear, that what moslems are angry about is not so much the depictions of the prophet, but rather the resemblance that all moslems are terrorists - and that the prophet also was. That I disagree with.
wiki drawings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_drawings.jpg#file
from the danish E-newspaper: http://www.e-jp.dk/31-01-2006/demo/JP_01-01.html
If any should be offended contact a mod or me via PM and we will remove the drawings.
I already posted the links to the pictures on page 1.
Rodion Romanovich
02-01-2006, 22:14
Oh I'm sorry, I missed that. Anyway my opinion is pretty much the same - the generalization and hate propaganda the calling the prophet a terrorist is on the borderline of being considered a crime, according to Danish law as well, but a trial would probably not result in anything else than the newspaper having to pay a very small fine. The question is - will such a trial be as successful in ending the hatred as the first witch executions were at stopping the witch hunt? Or will it have a positive effect? Hard to tell... In any case I don't see where they're trying to get, even if there's a trial there's no way there'll be more than a symbolic fine according to existing law afaik. The boycott of goods from a country seems like a very irrational and unfair way to react to that a small number of inhabitants in that country insulted them. Compare this boycott and hatred as a result of an insult to the hatred and similar as results of actual violent actions which were the case with 9/11 followed by war. Both cases show an irrational way of projecting the punishment of very few to an entire nation, but in this case we're talking about an insult, not violent action. This is cleary an escalation in hatred between Euro-Americans and the muslim world. Interesting to see what the consequences will be.
InsaneApache
02-01-2006, 22:24
I volunteer to rescue that poor, poor BIG breasted woman who has clearly fallen from observed boat. As a trained Lifeguard, my recommendation would have to be the cross chest tow. :sweatdrop:
this may save your life (http://www.lifesavers.org.uk/)
:laugh4:
Leet Eriksson
02-01-2006, 22:39
EDIT: faisal, I just heard on the news, that the UAE will be out of butter within the week - is it true?
We got alternatives for butter, but cream cheese.. lots of people live on cream cheese here.
I generally don't buy european products, my food is mostly indian, not becuase of the recent stupidity going out, but i been on this diet for 12 years now (and its pretty much what most UAE citizens eat anyway).
But i do hope they feel the burn when they run out of lurpack or puck.
I found two of the original pictures offensive and I can certainly sympathize with those who are outraged.
But a lot of this nastiness was caused by these self-proclaimed Danish Imams, and their little tour de misinformation in the Middle East. Until now, even western media managed to misinform about the pictures. Some said that the Prophet (pbuh) was depicted with a pig trout(!) and others supposedly had rude sexual content, both false allegations.
Proletariat
02-01-2006, 23:37
Frigging ridiculous about the West being constantly chastised for labeling Muslims when we see a beheading or a suicide bomb, but someone runs a cartoon and hundreds of innocent Danish workers lose their jobs.
I'm going to soak my French fries in a cup of mayonnaise tonight. (Common values, Franconicus?)
Edit: *mumble*
Sjakihata
02-01-2006, 23:41
Dutch workers... and copenhagen is the capital of sweden.
Actually, a danish MP called that delegation of danish Imams traitors and they did indeed spread mis-information.
Frigging ridiculous about the West being constantly chastised for labeling Muslims when we see a beheading or a suicide bomb, but someone runs a cartoon and hundreds of innocent Danish workers lose their jobs. 11.000 Danish jobs could indeed be in peril, but so far nobody has been fired (some have been sent on leave for a few weeks, though).
Watchman
02-01-2006, 23:42
I know I found at least one of the pictures vaguely irritating. Given that me and faith don't really fit into the same sentence, and that I know from experience muslims can get a bit... uptight about certain religious topics, I can well imagine a fair few of the faithful blowing their tops.
Especially if the source that informs them of it isn't exactly neutral.
That said, methinks some folks have a stick up their ass and should relax a bit.
Actually, a danish MP called that delegation of danish Imams traitors and they did indeed spread mis-information. I know that MP. :sweatdrop:
Nevertheless, Denmark should have an official Imam education, like your Christian priests.
However insulting those cartoons were (just look silly to me, far more insulting stuff all over the place anyway), burning Danish flags in front of tv cameras is FAR more insulting. Whoever told the protestors to get onto the streets should be forced to apologise.
Sjakihata
02-01-2006, 23:53
I know that MP. :sweatdrop:
Nevertheless, Denmark should have an official Imam education, like your Christian priests.
That danish MP is one of the reason there is such a great split between the West and the Muslim world. That is one of the reasons, rather than a few pictures. That is why this case is rather about the tone of the debate, than these pictures - and that we most undersand.
However insulting those cartoons were (just look silly to me, far more insulting stuff all over the place anyway), burning Danish flags in front of tv cameras is FAR more insulting. Whoever told the protestors to get onto the streets should be forced to apologise.
The Fatah and the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades? They are just trying to rally people to their cause following the defeat to the Hamas. And Islamic Jihad, I assume they didn't want to be left out.
But do note that the Hamas has not organized any of these protests… yet.
It is all local politics.
Sjakihata
02-02-2006, 00:12
The problem is that the governments actually doesnt supports these rallies and riots - it is fundemantlist religious forces that are organizing them. Progress is being made in denmark to establish sense and order again. if it is possible - the EU is probably going to be involved soon.
The problem is that the governments actually doesnt supports these rallies and riots - it is fundemantlist religious forces that are organizing them. Progress is being made in denmark to establish sense and order again. if it is possible - the EU is probably going to be involved soon. Maybe not officially. But this is the perfect opportunity to stick it to the West. And in most of the countries, those fundamentalist forces are controlled by the state. Make no mistake, this incident is being exploited for all it is worth by almost every Middle Eastern government involved.
There will be no real progress until the authorities get tired of the ruckus.
doc_bean
02-02-2006, 00:39
You mean since the last time we apoligised?
I mean that there was little more disgusting for me to witness the the general self-censorship applied by the media regarding any topic that might, or could, somehow, in any way, shap or form offend a muslim, somewhere, that has been going on since Van Gogh got killed. :help:
I have no problems with muslims, but the way that a few fundamentalist freaks try to manipulate the muslim masses for their own personal gain is quite sickening. Because, who are we kidding, the hate mongering Imams don't go around shooting people, or even sending threating mails, they make sure they remain safe, while a few misguided followers take all the blame. If Osama Bin laden had been serious about his cause, he would have been on the friggin' plane !
But whenever you try to argue with those people, they hide behind 'religious freedom' and their freedom of speech, at same time dictating their ways to the masses, because if you're not careful, someone might get angry...
Adrian II
02-02-2006, 01:42
11.000 Danish jobs could indeed be in peril, but so far nobody has been fired (some have been sent on leave for a few weeks, though).Darn fanatics.
*stuffs more frikadeller*
Just A Girl
02-02-2006, 01:53
I dunno you guys.
you cant ridicule some 1s religion with out them Fighting back..
Watch..
Jesus was gay and he slept with his mother.
Strike For The South
02-02-2006, 01:58
I dunno you guys.
you cant ridicule some 1s religion with out them Fighting back..
Watch..
Jesus was gay and he slept with his mother.
oh you do you want some one to flip? We are not bashing these pepoles religon we are bashing them for being morons. Free speech is a thing many westerners hold near and dear. If these people are gonna bitch and cry they can go bact to the hell hole the came from. You post has no basis in fact. The only reason you said religon is becuase you saw they were muslim. You my friend are shooting blind
Adrian II
02-02-2006, 01:58
I dunno you guys.
you cant ridicule some 1s religion with out them Fighting back..
Watch..
Jesus was gay and he slept with his mother.Um mhut yer.. mwut yer saying?
*stuffs more Danish Blue on toast*
Papewaio
02-02-2006, 01:58
Yes keep buying Danish goods, us Aussies don't want to see the Danish Royalty not being able to look after their latest addition.
Bar Kochba
02-02-2006, 02:04
although not a muslim im a jew i can understand why the muslims r outraged but still burnig flags
Strike For The South
02-02-2006, 02:09
although not a muslim im a jew i can understand why the muslims r outraged but still burnig flags
They shouldnt be. Its freedom of speech boycott the paper fine but try to turn Denmark into a country of christian aplogisgts with islamic overlords dont fly buddy.
Bar Kochba
02-02-2006, 02:11
They shouldnt be. Its freedom of speech boycott the paper fine but try to turn Denmark into a country of christian aplogisgts with islamic overlords dont fly buddy.
maybe that religon in the western world has been so diluted but when somone insults my religon i get pissed off
Just A Girl
02-02-2006, 02:12
Hey you guys should Know i didnt mean Nothing by that.
jesus was a good guy.
Just showing you that any kind of funny Joke that I may find funny about religion, Dosent mean it is funny.
Neither does it mean I have the right to say it.
Its like the cartoon.
It may be funny to some. But to those religious people Its not funny. And its actualy near enough a personal attack on there religion.
Point proven.
Strike For The South
02-02-2006, 02:16
maybe that religon in the western world has been so diluted but when somone insults my religon i get pissed off
So.. get pissed ignore them beat them up burn there hoouse down. Dont bitch about them using there free speech if you want to get back use yours!!!1!11111
Bar Kochba
02-02-2006, 02:21
im not saying its good wat there doing im just tryin to understand im a jew probely have more resons to hate muslims then u but i still understand what they go through and how religon effects there lives
Papewaio
02-02-2006, 02:23
Good point, when you are poor you don't have much else then family and religion.
It would be like someone keying your car in the parking lot because it has a christian symbol on it (fish/cross) in the west I suppose.
InsaneApache
02-02-2006, 03:20
errr...no.
Some of the posters on this board need to wake up.
:wall:
Papewaio
02-02-2006, 03:27
Look I disagree with what they are doing. But when you are not affluent there is not much left to cling to then faith. I think all the western papers should show solidarity and print the cartoons. I'm also trying to put it into a perspective that would be for a westerner.
How would you feel if someone used the internet to steal all your money or card fraud to use an ATM. A lot of the people in the middle east are poor by our standards, they have family and faith. So they hold these in higher esteem then westerners who have a lot more. That and an education that is such that makes them not ask in depth questions but instead to be obedient makes them very easy to be lead by the nose by any Iman who has a leg up both in scholarship and long range thinking.
kataphraktoi
02-02-2006, 03:39
Jesus was gay and he slept with his mother.
As a CHRISTIAN, I'm offended, but I'm not going to kill you :laugh4:
WHy? Because your a fellow orger :laugh4:
And also because its your own opinion, your responsible for it, not me as follows in a democratic society.
solypsist
02-02-2006, 03:41
wow. out of control.
thank you, those who tried to stay on topic and on course.
thread closed.
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