View Full Version : Well done Turkey!
Byzantine Prince
02-03-2006, 14:41
CNN - link (http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/02/turkish.movie.ap/index.html)
WOW what a movie!
In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made, American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother.
They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine-gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison -- where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!:laugh4:
Sjakihata
02-03-2006, 14:44
Nice, Im going to watch that.
Don Corleone
02-03-2006, 14:46
Well, it's a documentary. They tried to tone down as much as they could, but there's only so much white washing they can do for the US before crediblity begins to strain. They were very kind and left the 'feast of the muslim children', where a bunch of obese stockbrokers from Manhatten select the muslim child they will have broiled (by who else, a Jewish chef) and consume while using pages of the Quran for napkins.
Kanamori
02-03-2006, 15:03
Well, it's a documentary. They tried to tone down as much as they could, but there's only so much white washing they can do for the US before crediblity begins to strain. They were very kind and left the 'feast of the muslim children', where a bunch of obese stockbrokers from Manhatten select the muslim child they will have broiled (by who else, a Jewish chef) and consume while using pages of the Quran for napkins.
Damn, America rulez.
KukriKhan
02-03-2006, 15:07
The movie's American stars are Billy Zane, who plays a self-professed "peacekeeper sent by God," and Gary Busey as the Jewish-American doctor.
http://www.nndb.com/people/848/000022782/
Guess he couldn't find anymore domestic work after multiple busts here.
solypsist
02-03-2006, 15:34
i wonder if this movie will show on the airplane during long flights?
Vladimir
02-03-2006, 15:37
http://www.nndb.com/people/848/000022782/
Guess he couldn't find anymore domestic work after multiple busts here.
Religion: Born-Again Christian
WT...Heck? I knew this guy wasn't stable but this was a bit much.
"There isn't going to be a war over this," said Nefise Karatay, a Turkish model lounging on a sofa after the premiere. "Everyone knows that Americans have a good side. That's not what this is about."
Open and shut.
well...there are some american action movies from the 80´s that aren´t far from this......
people will be morons....it´s just out nature.:help:
GiantMonkeyMan
02-03-2006, 18:53
man... its showing in america as well :oops:
i wonder if turkish people feel the same way about british soldiers... if so that is quite worrying since my sister is serving in cyprus right now but i might actually go to watch the movie... it looks so ridiculously funny :laugh4:
I have an overpowering desire to see this film. Nothing like bad propoganda to make a lemur laugh. I wouldn't pay to see it, however, so we'll leave it at that.
Sjakihata
02-03-2006, 19:52
Well, if it is really good propaganda, it will be run, one week after the premier, free in all cinemas across the USA, baby!
ShadesPanther
02-03-2006, 21:23
Gary Busey was good in Leathal weapon and Predator 2 then his career went downhill
Devastatin Dave
02-03-2006, 21:29
Nothing like a film to cause more hatred and devisiveness between the West and Middle East. BP may find this great, but i don't and I'm sure plenty of clear thinking individuals would agree, I would hope. :inquisitive:
Can't wait to see how the radicals of the Left and Islam will use this.
Don Corleone
02-03-2006, 21:45
Nothing like a film to cause more hatred and devisiveness between the West and Middle East. BP may find this great, but i don't and I'm sure plenty of clear thinking individuals would agree, I would hope. :inquisitive:
Can't wait to see how the radicals of the Left and Islam will use this.
I already told you, it's a documentary.
Devastatin Dave
02-03-2006, 21:47
I already told you, it's a documentary.
Oh, that's right... I'll have my small Muslim child medium rare please...
KukriKhan
02-03-2006, 21:49
well...there are some american action movies from the 80´s that aren´t far from this......
people will be morons....it´s just out nature.:help:
Good point. The revenge/rescue genre of the 80's (Norris' "Missing in Action trilogy, Stallone's Rambo III homage to the Taliban, for examples) were popular world-wide because they struck a chord with people across many cultures.
Don Corleone
02-03-2006, 21:57
Come on now, Dave. I told you, the Turkish film makers were very easy on the USA. They left that part out. Don't go ruining their good deed by bringing it up again. Shhhh...:disguise:
Leet Eriksson
02-03-2006, 22:23
L.E.N told me about that, says it has a pretty rediculous plot and is a continuation of a previous televsion series that is popular in turkey.
Kongamato
02-03-2006, 22:25
Revenge for the US making Midnight Express?
The Blind King of Bohemia
02-03-2006, 22:32
I think the real underlying point here is Billy Zane and Gary Busey's horrendously failed careers, which had been hanging in the balance for some time now.:laugh4:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-03-2006, 22:42
Seriously, folks, after releasing "Show Girls" and "Ishtar" we had to expect someone would take revenge eventually.
We're also fortunate that none of the producers tumbled onto the fact that the USA is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Rothschilds...
:oops:
Forget I said that last bit.
Don Corleone
02-03-2006, 22:53
All kidding aside, I'd like to ask LeftEyeNine about some of the assertions in the CNN article. Essentially, I got from the article that most Turks view this as fairly realistic, as over 50% of Turks view Americans as immoral, greedy, violent and rude. Apparenently, the #1 bestselling book is about a war between Turkey and the USA.
I always thought of Turkey and the US as allies. You've been a member of NATO for as long as NATO has been in existence. In many ways, I would have thought the relationship between the US and Turkey, admittedly strained over the past few years, was stronger than that of the US and some of it's other erstwhile allies (no offense Louis, Meneldil & Brenus) such as France, who ordered us out of their country decades ago. Does the average Turk have this much vitriol against the US? Do you dream of a violent conflict with us? Is there any hope for the relationship, or has Turkey decided to favor Iran and Syria's world view?
Seamus Fermanagh
02-03-2006, 23:05
I second Don C's question. What gives?
Vladimir
02-03-2006, 23:17
Here's me sounding like an old man again: One must remember when dealing with the old world that these countries may not be nations (two very separate things). The US is a nation because we share a similar culture; Iraq is a country but not a nation which can be seen by the divisions between the Kurds, Shia and Sunni. Westerners think the "average Turk" is someone that lives within the borders of modern Turkey. Many different cultures reside within that territory (Armenians, Kurds, etc) and don't share the same cultural identity. I am curious as to which culture(s) and class(es) within Turkey feel this way.
First of all let me clarify something that may be misunderstood: The hostility towards Americans in the film does not come from a religous point of view, but from a nationalist one. I have not seen the film, but I heard it does not side with religous terrorists. In one scene, an American hostage about to be executed is saved.
The thing which motivated this film is an incident, where Americans arrested Turkish soldiers in Irak. The way the Turkish soldiers were treated angered many Turks.
I don't wish to see the film. It is made from the viewpoint of Turkish right wingers and according to what I read all Americans in the film are evil. I can understand criticizing USA or fighting US soldiers, but demonizing a nation is something I cant stand(like it was done to Turks in Midnight Express). On the other hand, Americans who enjoyed watching "evil Russians" killed in Rambo and other similar films should watch this film as a reflection.
Byzantine Prince
02-04-2006, 01:28
where a bunch of obese stockbrokers from Manhatten select the muslim child they will have broiled
mmmmmmmm... circumcised penis must be delicious. :idea2:
To the mods :helloo:
Louis VI the Fat
02-04-2006, 01:47
Essentially, I got from the article that most Turks view this as fairly realistic, as over 50% of Turks view Americans as immoral, greedy, violent and rude.
I always thought of Turkey and the US as allies. In many ways, I would have thought the relationship between the US and Turkey, admittedly strained over the past few years, was stronger than that of the US and some of it's other erstwhile allies (no offense Louis, Meneldil & Brenus) such as France, who ordered us out of their country decades ago. No offense taken of course - you know we French never cease to love Americans.
Here's the poll that article quoted from:
http://pewglobal.org/reports/images/247-19.gif
http://pewglobal.org/reports/images/247-18.gif
We know you're all decent, hardworking and honest folk, not greedy at all. Just a bit rude and rather violent.~;)
RabidGibbon
02-04-2006, 02:55
My knowledge of the middle east is rather limited, and just looking at the plot shows the film has no basis in fact, but wouldn't a turkish special forces team going from turkey into Iraq find itself in the Kurdish bit of Iraq?
You know, the bit of Iraq that is dead happy to find americans protecting them from all those Sunnis and Sheities and chemical weapon attacks, and has virtually no insurgency problems and ummm, hate's the Turkish government for occupying other parts of Kurdistan?
Louis, there's something wrong with your polls. Everyone knows that Canadians are immoral pacifists. Also, I was under the impression that Canadians were the most polite people on the planet (old joke).
Zalmoxis
02-04-2006, 04:44
When does it come out on DVD?
Adrian II
02-04-2006, 06:28
L.E.N told me about that, says it has a pretty rediculous plot and is a continuation of a previous televsion series that is popular in turkey.That's what I heard from friends here. Seems Sharon Stone once had a guest role in the police series in which she kissed the main character. If you take some time you can find most of the relevant info on the Web. The movie is allegedly based on true events, but all of them are presented with a definitive fascist slant.
The main protagonist is something between a secret service guy and a mercenary killer for Turkish fascism, which makes him a representative of the 'deep state' as they call it over there. He takes revenge for the way the U.S. kicked out Turkish intelligence from Northern Iraq. He goes undercover in the area, fraternizes with 'ordinary Iraqis' (Kurds, anyone?) and finally manages to kill the leader of the main American intelligence unit in the area. In the movie American troops intentionally shoot up a wedding party (instead of bombing it from afar and then denying it, as did in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq). I don't know about the Jewish American doctor, but Israeli organ trafficking has been a real issue (http://web.mit.edu/writing/fee/2004_FEE_July_Readin.htm)in Turkey for years and stories about shady Israeli doctors implanting organs in Istanbul clinics abound.
Anyway, for Americans I guess it's payback time for some of the really bad movies and other fictional representations of other races and nations in Hollywood and elsewhere. This is Rambo IV, the kebab version: Mehmet is back, this time it's personal.. yawn yawn.. :dozey:
Divinus Arma
02-04-2006, 07:09
It would be really funny if it had michael moore burning an american flag surrounded by dancing palestinians.
ooh ooh or how about a video cut where kerry throws his medals at the white house and then Bush asks him if he wants some wood, and then repeat like three times to angry music.
Or Kruschev slamming his shoe on the table at the UN followed by the fall of the berlin wall.
I hope this movie is EPIC.
He goes undercover in the area, fraternizes with 'ordinary Iraqis' (Kurds, anyone?)
As far as I know, the Kurds in the film are all evil like the Americans; my guess is they are shown as collaborators.
Incongruous
02-04-2006, 11:27
I always told you republicans that the left always makes balanced movie. GOSH!
Mouzafphaerre
02-04-2006, 12:12
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Don't mess with the movie! It's the silver screen extension of the (supposedly) most watched TV series. The pearl of the fascists, the gem of the werewolves. Curse upon Andy Garcia and Sharon Stone for appearing in an episode of that defecation. :viking:
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This is Rambo IV, the kebab version: Mehmet is back, this time it's personal.. yawn yawn.. :dozey:
Rambo IV is in production. In it, Stallone beats on white people for a change.
Rambo IV is in production. In it, Stallone beats on white people for a change.:oops:
In First Blood - Rambo beats on white people first - so its a return to beating on white people for him.:laugh4:
BTW if Hollywood would of followed the book a little more, Rambo would not be haunting us with sequels.
Adrian II
02-04-2006, 23:22
BTW if Hollywood would of followed the book a little more, Rambo would not be haunting us with sequels.Of course they couldn't have Rambo shot. Not when he still had to play Rocky!
Um.. https://img320.imageshack.us/img320/3959/gruebel22zc.gif
Of course they couldn't have Rambo shot. Not when he still had to play Rocky!
Um.. https://img320.imageshack.us/img320/3959/gruebel22zc.gif
And yet again, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479143/
Considering how bad Rocky V was, this should be a fiasco.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-05-2006, 00:09
Rambo IV is in production. In it, Stallone beats on white people for a change.
~:confused: :inquisitive:
Wasn't that the plot of the original Rambo? I mean, Brian Dennehy doesn't exactly fit any of the more melanin-advantaged ethnic types....
Mouzafphaerre
02-05-2006, 05:04
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Rocky I was great! :yes:
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There really is no pint getting worked up by a Ramboesque film. Also note that while the country may be an ally (albeit one with issues over military access) the neither the government nor the people actually have to be your friends.
Adrian II
02-05-2006, 14:31
And yet again, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479143/.Sheeee-zus! They are all coming back, aren't they? Rocky. Rambo. Burnt flags and an Imperial Presidency. Ooh-weep weep, chirpy chirpy cheep cheep..
*unearthes platform heels*
Foot note: Rambo I was about the USA betraying their soldiers (which was true), Rambo II was “we won the war” (according to Westmorland and mixing image of the Vietcong and the Japanese), Rambo III was let help the Freedom fighters / Taliban / Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians (who helped the Vietcong).:inquisitive:
Louis VI the Fat
02-05-2006, 15:27
This is all much ado about nothing. There are countless movies with ugly stereotyping around, from all countries with a movie industry. Rambo III is a good point in case.
And let us not forget about some nasty American computer games that have been released in the last couple of years. You can play plenty of FPS type games where the object is to mow down as many Middle-Eastern looking types as possible.
I'm not a particular fan of either genre, movies or games. But on the upside, they function as a pressure valve too. Let the Turks blow off some steam and vent their anger over some incidents in Iraq if they must.
It's not pretty, but it's no big deal either.
It's all a matter of culture. Turkey has it.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-06-2006, 17:04
It's all a matter of culture. Turkey has it.
So does yogurt.
Vladimir
02-06-2006, 17:12
We know you're all ... Just a bit rude and rather violent.~;)
I embrace you as a brother! ~;)
Don Corleone
02-06-2006, 23:33
This is all much ado about nothing. There are countless movies with ugly stereotyping around, from all countries with a movie industry. Rambo III is a good point in case.
And let us not forget about some nasty American computer games that have been released in the last couple of years. You can play plenty of FPS type games where the object is to mow down as many Middle-Eastern looking types as possible.
I'm not a particular fan of either genre, movies or games. But on the upside, they function as a pressure valve too. Let the Turks blow off some steam and vent their anger over some incidents in Iraq if they must.
It's not pretty, but it's no big deal either.
I disagree with this characterization of sameness. In Rambo III, Stallone was playing with the Mujahadeen to help oust the Soviets from Afghanistan. At the time the movie was made, the United States was at the tail end of a 40 year 'Cold War' with the former Soviet Union. Tensions and fears had run fairly high throughout, including a tense period when the Soviet Union attempted to install nuclear weapons 30 miles off our shores (Cuba). It's natural that when you have a perceived enemy for that long, you'll fantasize about how things would go if tensions actually did ratchet up further. If Iran had produced this film, and written a book about winning a war against the US, it would make perfect sense and your claim would be valid.
But Turkey is supposedly a long time ally of the United States. We actually helped them prosecute their claims in Cyprus, something Greece still hasn't forgiven us for, and probably never will. For supposed allies to dream of destroying each other... in my mind, it shows that one friend's heart just isn't in it anymore.
Yes, the US has made some pretty jingoistic films over the years, something you folks immediately leaped upon. But tell me the last time the US made a movie where we went to war with Canada, or Australia or Britain, or for that matter, Turkey?
As for Midnight Express being an unfair characterization of Turkish prisons... remember, it was made in 1978. As un-PC as the movie was, are people going to dispute the accuracy of the assertions made in it? It was a time that American film was obsessed with prison reform, and believe me, there were LOADS of films about American prisons and how average people who had the misfortune to wind up there would be violently raped every day of their incarceration. Personally, being the law and order type that I am, I think Billy Hayes got what he had coming to him, and I don't have much sympathy for drug traffickers. But the point of the movie wasn't 'Turkey sucks', it was that 'drug laws and punishment are unfair'.
As for Midnight Express being an unfair characterization of Turkish prisons... remember, it was made in 1978. As un-PC as the movie was, are people going to dispute the accuracy of the assertions made in it? It was a time that American film was obsessed with prison reform, and believe me, there were LOADS of films about American prisons and how average people who had the misfortune to wind up there would be violently raped every day of their incarceration.
There are many Turkish films too, which criticize Turkish prisons, Turkish Police or Turkish Government. But making a film which criticizes a different nation is not the same as criticizing your own nation. The first can easily lead to giving the world prejudiced opinions about a country, even if the film makers did not intend it to be that way. Especially if the number of films about that country is very few. A single film can hardly create wrong impressions about Americans, since there are millions of films portraying Americans. But films with Turks/Turkey in them, that reach an audience beyond the borders of Turkey, number only a handful; so each of those films has a very large effect.
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