A true Butchered job on the national Anthem

[Devastatin Dave]

Did any of you guys watch the Super Bowl? My God, that was the worst rendition of the National Anthem since Rosanne Barr during the World Series. The Urban Yoddling comming out of Aritha's hole was nauseating. And who the hell was that nutered dude doing the whiney backups to Aritha's screaming of unintelligable lyric?:furious3:
If there should be any legislation, there should be a law against the butchery of the National Anthem by "artists". What's your opinion?

[UglyandHasty]

It was really bad. I had seen a parody of this guy on SNL or MadTV(dont remember wich one), and i was thinking there was a bit of exageration. After yesterday performance, i can say it was quite close to reality ...

[Devastatin Dave]

Not to mention the Rolling Stone's "performance". A cat drinched in gas and lit on fire would have sounded better.

[Xiahou]

The national anthem was just tough to watch- I gotta admit. :no:

[Sjakihata]

Now there is something you can learn from the former communist countries, they know how to perform a national anthem, not with a religious chorus and frog but with a big orchestra!

[Devastatin Dave]

Now there is something you can learn from the former communist countries, they know how to perform a national anthem, not with a religious chorus and frog but with a big orchestra!
Amen, God bless those commies.:laugh4:

[Goofball]

Did any of you guys watch the Super Bowl? My God, that was the worst rendition of the National Anthem since Rosanne Barr during the World Series. The Urban Yoddling comming out of Aritha's hole was nauseating. And who the hell was that nutered dude doing the whiney backups to Aritha's screaming of unintelligable lyric?:furious3:
If there should be any legislation, there should be a law against the butchery of the National Anthem by "artists". What's your opinion?

Hey, at least she remembered the words. Unlike Bryan Adams when he was singing "Oh Canada" before a hockey game a few years ago...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I've never heard a good rendering of the national anthem at a sports event. The best was actually at the field hockey games at my school, which has a recording from an electric keyboard or something. At least it's simple. The line is "bombs bursting in air" not "warble-warble-warble".

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Hey I posted this elsewhere:furious3: But anyway it was the worst I can remember, It sure wasnt like the Whitney Huston or Mariah Carey renditions. They should just let those two take turns.

Man I never lnew Arron Neville sucked so bad. And what happened to Arthea?

And the Stones sounded like crap as well.

[Major Robert Dump]

I didn't catch it, did she turn a 2 minute song into a five minute song by jazzing up all the words? Wan't it Al Green a few years back who even changed the words a little and sang "in the land of the freeeeeeeeeee...i'm talkin' bout the freeeeeeeeeeeee"


I wish the anthem would be changed to america the beautiful. its a better song, the tune is american and not an old english drinking song, and pretty much anyone can sing it

[Ianofsmeg16]

I wish the anthem would be changed to america the beautiful. its a better song, the tune is american and not an old english drinking song, and pretty much anyone can sing it
I have the same issue with our national Anthem, instead of God Save the Queen, which is actually a FRENCH, song we should use Rule Brittania. as it is also about Britain, with no lines about 'Crushing rebellious Scots', tempting as it may be, it just aint british.

Devistatin Dave I watched that national Anthem, and I wholeheartidly agree with you, I respect Aretha Frankiln for all the work she's done for music. But Butcher that anthem she did!

[BDC]

I have the same issue with our national Anthem, instead of God Save the Queen, which is actually a FRENCH, song we should use Rule Brittania. as it is also about Britain, with no lines about 'Crushing rebellious Scots', tempting as it may be, it just aint british.

Everyone likes crushing the Scots though. Even themselves. :duel:

Rule Brittania would be a lot better though.

[The_Doctor]

National anthems are an odd thing.

For example, Mexico's

Chorus
Mexicans, at the cry of war,
Prepare the steel and the bridle,
And let the earth centers tremble
To the roar of the cannon.
And let the earth centers tremble
To the roar of the cannon!

First Stanza
Wreathed be, oh Fatherland, your brow with olive leaves
of peace by the divine archangel
For in heaven, your eternal destiny
has been written by the finger of God.
But should a foreign enemy dare
To profane your soil with his step,
Think, oh beloved Fatherland! that heaven
Gave you a soldier in every son.

Stanza V
War, war without truce upon him who tries
To sully the blazon of the Fatherland;
War, war! Soak the homeland's flags
In waves of blood.
War, war! In the hill and the valley,
The dreadful cannons thunder,
And the deafening echoes resound
The cries of Union! Liberty!

Stanza VI
Oh Fatherland, before your unarmed sons
Bend their necks under the yoke,
Your countryside be watered with blood
And in blood may they stamp their feet.
And your temples, palaces, and towers
Fall with terrible thunder,
And their ruins exist to say,
"This was the Fatherland of a thousand heroes."

Stanza X
Fatherland, Fatherland! Your sons pledge to you
To breathe out, in your honor, their breath,
If the buggle with its warlike tone
Calls us to struggle with valour.
For you the garlands of olive!
For them a memory of glory!
For you a laurel of victory!
For them a tomb of honour!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_national_anthem

[Byzantine Mercenary]

nah, the british anthem should be land of hope and glory

[Nelson]

I have heard many good renditions of The Star Spangled Banner over the years. The problems occur when singers try to improvise too much.

I would never want to see anything else become the anthem. I like the fact that the people of Baltimore extemporaneously matched a drinking song to Key's’ poem. (After all, the 30’ x 42’ flag was sewn on the floor of a local brewery!) They were relieved and proud to have rejected the British attack after Washington was burned. The army and navy went on to adopt the tune as the anthem unofficially due to its’ popularity and suitability. All Congress did in 1931 was to recognize the people’s choice. Pretty democratic I would say.

Besides, no potential anthem finishes better than “Oh say, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave, o’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?”. It is a perfect challenge for Americans of every generation.

The last stanza of the poem says that the flag “in triumph shall wave o’er the land of the free and the home of the brave”. But the 1st stanza, the one we sing, asks a question. In 1814 Key wondered if the flag was still there at all. For Americans today, his question has a different slant. The flag is there, but are we still free and brave? THAT”S what we need to think about, nowadays and forever.

[Reverend Joe]

I think our anthem should be changed to the Hendrix version- followed, of course, by "Purple Haze."

Yes, I am kidding. :laugh4:

But seriously, why not change it to "Fortunate Son," or "Keep on Chooglin'"? :shrug:

[t1master]

the nypd officer who sings the anthem does the best imho. i think he's a tenner?

[Nelson]

the nypd officer who sings the anthem does the best imho. i think he's a tenner?

Yes, Daniel Rodriguez. I heard him perform with the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra in December. He can move you to tears.

[Divinus Arma]

For Americans today, his question has a different slant. The flag is there, but are we still free and brave? THAT”S what we need to think about, nowadays and forever.

I like the way you worded your reply. Although I doubt I will agree with your politics, you still make an important and valid theoretical point.

[KukriKhan]

I admit being a little embarrassed by this year's Anthem at the Superbowl - I've been a big fan of their work. Not their best day.

For my taste, my two favorite renditions of The Star-Spangled banner were:

1) 2003 Superbowl, Dixie Chicks. Listen to it here:
https://jimcee.homestead.com/SpartanTotalWarrior.html
3-part harmony done expertly, with a minimum of 'grace notes'.

2) Changing of the Guard, Buckingham Palace, shortly after 9-11-01. At the part where they play (and have played for hundreds of years) "God Save the Queen", they instead played "The Star-Spangled Banner", in solidarity with their US cousins. Not much tears up these old eyes. But I cried then. And sat down. And was late for work that day.

[GoreBag]

It's not like this is the first time someone screwed a national anthem in public, and it's not like the song means anything, really. It's just pomp.

[Devastatin Dave]

It's not like this is the first time someone screwed a national anthem in public, and it's not like the song means anything, really. It's just pomp.
I'll take the bait, the song menas a lot to those that love the United States. So no, maybe to you it doesn't mean anything, but to me it means a lot.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Originally Posted by GoreBag
It's not like this is the first time someone screwed a national anthem in public, and it's not like the song means anything, really. It's just pomp.

But this is the superbowl. Its supposed to put forward our best. Like I said in the last few years both Whitney Huston and Mariah Carey have given incredible stirring renditions of the Star Spangled Banner. This was horrible. I say as long as they can sing Let Whitney and Mariah take turns. No one has voices like these two.

[Goofball]

I'll take the bait, the song menas a lot to those that love the United States. So no, maybe to you it doesn't mean anything, but to me it means a lot.

I agree. And on a purely artistic note, the Star Spangled Banner is the only national anthem other than O Canada that gives me goosebumps on the back of my kneck when I hear it performed well.

I also really like hearing the two of them performed consecutively when I go to a Jays game; the two songs to me seem to compliment each other nicely.

[Devastatin Dave]

I agree. And on a purely artistic note, the Star Spangled Banner is the only national anthem other than O Canada that gives me goosebumps on the back of my kneck when I hear it performed well.

I also really like hearing the two of them performed consecutively when I go to a Jays game; the two songs to me seem to compliment each other nicely.
I agree, I miss when the Expos were still in Montreal and they would sing the songs back to back. The stadium was never occupied during games so the songs would just ring out beautifully. O Cananda is simply a grand national anthem and a delight to hear...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I agree. And on a purely artistic note, the Star Spangled Banner is the only national anthem other than O Canada that gives me goosebumps on the back of my kneck when I hear it performed well.


I have to agree. Only the playing of the Marine corps Hymn gives me more goosbumps.


O Cananda is simply a grand national anthem and a delight to hear...

And the great thing about it is it can still have the same meaning when sung by an american :laugh4:

[GoreBag]

But this is the superbowl. Its supposed to put forward our best. Like I said in the last few years both Whitney Huston and Mariah Carey have given incredible stirring renditions of the Star Spangled Banner. This was horrible. I say as long as they can sing Let Whitney and Mariah take turns. No one has voices like these two.

That's kind of a stretch. It's the NFL championship game; it has nothing to do with anything else. I still can't understand why we all feel the need to hear our national ditty whenever we gather to drink beer and watch people beat the snot out of one another.

Dave, fair enough, but it's kind of presumptuous to speak for everyone who loves the US. In any case, it only means what each person assigns to it.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

That's kind of a stretch. It's the NFL championship game; it has nothing to do with anything else

Are you kdding me. Its a worldwide event. In fact the biggest event on TV every year. Even the comercials are specially made. Its supposed to represent the best we have both on the field and the entertainment. I must say I was sadly dissappointed by all of it including Stevie Wonder and the crew before the game. You would think being in Motown they could have put together a much better show.

[GoreBag]

Are you kdding me. Its a worldwide event. In fact the biggest event on TV every year.

Nope. I always wondered why everyone thought it was a worldwide event, too, if only Yank teams can get the chance to participate. I don't know about the stats about it being the biggest event on TV ever year, but I imagine something soccer-related outdoes it.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

In any case, it only means what each person assigns to it.

What is this, "close your post with your favorite truism" day? You could add that line to the end of every post on all threads in all forums -- making it functionally useless. NSDT!

I agree with Dave here.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Nope. I always wondered why everyone thought it was a worldwide event, too, if only Yank teams can get the chance to participate. I don't know about the stats about it being the biggest event on TV ever year, but I imagine something soccer-related outdoes it.


Its telecast around the world. Its by far the most watched thing on american TV.

From CNN


The Super Bowl is often the most-watched TV program each year, and nine of the
15 highest-rated shows in history are NFL championship games. ...


Its always way up there.

I have no doubt its not as popular in the rest of the world. But it commands a huge audience here alone . I dont think even the world cup final draws as many viewers though I could be wrong.

[GoreBag]

What is this, "close your post with your favorite truism" day?

No. I'm just saying that the song has no intrinsic value and people shouldn't get so worked up when some no-talent douchebag butchers it.

Gawain, I don't see the connection between it being a popular event and it being the time 'bring out the best'. The World Cup probably does draw more viewers, though. USA's population can't really hold a candle to the rest of the world's totalled up.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

USA's population can't really hold a candle to the rest of the world's totalled up.


Well it can in tv watching. Probably on the Japanese watch more tv than us.


The World Cup probably does draw more viewers, though.

Would be nice if we could find the figures to compare the two.

[GoreBag]

Scraped this up from the FIFA site.


The cumulative audience over the 25 match days of the 2002 event reached a total of 28.8 billion viewers.

Oh my gad.

Also, I found a page where our little debate is answered (http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/32295).

Ouch.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Im afraid it doesnt. You and they are comparing one gane with a whole series.

I want the stats on the final game only vs the superbowl.

[GoreBag]

Im afraid it doesnt. You and they are comparing one gane with a whole series.

I want the stats on the final game only vs the superbowl.

There are 64 games played in the World Cup. 28.8 billion divided by 64 does indeed equal 450 million. Even if we assume that the final game wasn't more popular than all of the others (which is silly), then the World cup viewership still rapes the Superbowl viewership in every hole.

[Goofball]

There are 64 games played in the World Cup. 28.8 billion divided by 64 does indeed equal 450 million. Even if we assume that the final game wasn't more popular than all of the others (which is silly), then the World cup viewership still rapes the Superbowl viewership in every hole.

G4w4i|\| = pw|\|d

:charge:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Are there two world cups? Because your site says


Footnote: we checked the FIFA World Cup site and they report that the viewership for the 2002 World Cup exceeded 1 billion.


Thats a long way from 28 billion. I couldnt find a reference there to 28 billion.

It also says


The World Cup draws from the entire globe and an audience in the hundreds of millions.

Now which is it?

[Goofball]

You are mixing up the total viewership vs. the viewership in only 18 countries (notably excluded: Germany, Italy, England, France) monitored by Nielsen Media Research.

For the former, the number for the 2002 World Cup was 28.8 billion. Source:

http://www.fifa.com/en/marketing/newmedia/index/0,3509,10,00.html

For the latter, the number for the 2002 World Cup was 1.5 billion. Source:

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/newsreleases/2002/WorldCup_Final.htm

The 2006 Superbowl, OTOH, attracted about 91 million viewers. Source:

http://www.magid.com/publications/magid_morning_facts/news_article.asp?articleID=1366

You need to give this one up G, you're only going to look silly. Face it my friend: Soccer (Football) is globally more popular than American Football any way you slice it.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You need to give this one up G, you're only going to look silly. Face it my friend: Soccer (Football) is globally more popular than American Football any way you slice it.


I never claimed otherwise. My only question was whether the fianl game out drew the superbowl. It all started because I claimed the superbowl was a worldwide event . Which it is. I didnt say it was the most popular. I asked.

I was talking of it being by far the most popular show on in the US. I also dont think you will find any country where more people watched the world cup final than of americans who watched the superbowl. I again merely specualted it might beat the world cup finals. I didnt insist upon it. Then you come in saying I was pawned for asking.

[KukriKhan]

Who knew that there were that many tv sets in the world? Ferdinand Braun would be so proud (wonder if he was a footie fan?).

On topic: GoreBag: Aretha Franklin flubbed that anthem bit... no argument; her worst gig ever, without doubt.

But she is no 'douchebag'.

I require your gentlemanly satisfaction, Sir.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I require your gentlemanly satisfaction, Sir.

Would some R E S P E C T for Aretha do?

[doc_bean]

I say as long as they can sing Let Whitney and Mariah take turns. No one has voices like these two.

And thank God for that ! :2thumbsup:

[Slyspy]

I'm sure there are plenty of people who love their country but think their anthem worthless, even in the State which actually has a decent anthem.

[Slyspy]

I never claimed otherwise. My only question was whether the fianl game out drew the superbowl. It all started because I claimed the superbowl was a worldwide event . Which it is. I didnt say it was the most popular. I asked.

I was talking of it being by far the most popular show on in the US. I also dont think you will find any country where more people watched the world cup final than of americans who watched the superbowl. I again merely specualted it might beat the world cup finals. I didnt insist upon it. Then you come in saying I was pawned for asking.

It only worldwide in the same sense that cricket is. In that a few places play it and everyone else, apart from enthusiasts, wonder what all the fuss is about.

Edit: Thinking about it, cricket may be more international in the sense that more internationals are played. Though it cannot compete on TV viewer figures worldwide.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Mariah Carey annoys me.

Nothing against her talent as a singer, and she certainly does NOT sour milk with her looks just by staring in that direction, but....

Because of her and her success, EVERY singer feels the need to use vibrato and or scat notes in EVERY passage of EVERY song....AAAARGH.

A little Ella for scat or Mariah now and again is fine, but too much emulation is NOT a good thing.

[GoreBag]

On topic: GoreBag: Aretha Franklin flubbed that anthem bit... no argument; her worst gig ever, without doubt.

But she is no 'douchebag'.

I require your gentlemanly satisfaction, Sir.

Well, it was a generalisation, even though I'm no fan. But you've made your case; I agree. Pistols at dawn.

[Louis VI the Fat]

For my taste, my two favorite renditions of The Star-Spangled banner were:

1) 2003 Superbowl, Dixie Chicks. Listen to it here:
https://jimcee.homestead.com/SpartanTotalWarrior.html
3-part harmony done expertly, with a minimum of 'grace notes'.I find this rendition strikingly beautiful. Moving even.

I've never been a great fan of the Star Spangled Banner music-wise, with it's awkward rhythm and those opening notes that sound like a jingle a supermarket would play just before announcing today's offers. But this version is truly great.

And to think these Dixie Chicks are a Country band. ~:eek:

[Strike For The South]

And to think these Dixie Chicks are a Country band. ~:eek:

hey dont say something you cant take back later

[Kaiser of Arabia]

G4w4i|\| = pw|\|d

:charge:
He would be if soccer wasn't boring, with the exceptions of when the German, Austrian, or Italian teams are playing, then soccers fun. So are the riots.

[Slyspy]

He would be if soccer wasn't boring, with the exceptions of when the German, Austrian, or Italian teams are playing, then soccers fun. So are the riots.

He was talking about viewing figures, not how interesting Kaiser thinks the game is! So the horrible net-speak stands.

[KukriKhan]

Well, it was a generalisation, even though I'm no fan. But you've made your case; I agree. Pistols at dawn.


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:squirt:

:)

[GoreBag]

:laugh4: Very politic.

[KukriKhan]

There I was at dawn (0615), fog clearing from the trees.

The moist, humid earth giving up its daily offering of scent of eucalyptus, moss and good earth to the rising sun, perhaps presaging the aromas too soon to greet the nostrils of the hapless loser of our encounter of honour.

My second at my beck, guarding the specified weapons encased in their plastic mausoleum, stamped and shuffled his feet, worried about being discovered on this field of honour by contemporary gendarmes.

"Sir", he asked, "What precisely is a douchebag?"

"A bad thing, Jeeves, a very bad thing. A container of ejected bodily fluids. An insult to such a sensitive thing as a woman." I answered distractedly, cocking my head to catch the sound of approaching footsteps - no, just a frisky gopher, I decided.

"I see."

"Yes."

"Sir?"

"Yes?"

"What, precisely, is a Gore Bag?"

"A Gore Bag, you ask? Why it's an imaginary container, used by imaginary creatures called Orcs, to carry souvenir body parts of their vanquished enemies."

"I see."

"Yes."

"So this GoreBag fellow, given his stated cultural background of being a person who hauls hither-and-yon an imaginary container of his imaginary vanquished enemy's body parts...might have actually been paying Ms. Franklin a compliment by dubbing her a douchbag, given his own bag-carrying regime?"

"Erk?"

"Yes, Sir. Perhaps the gentleman merely suggests that Mizz Franklin's singing at the event at issue, has so moved him, that he feels compelled, nay, duty-drawn to offer an appellation of that which he so values: his bag. And to make it gender-appropriate.

"Ya think?"

"I do, Sir."

"Very well, then. Pack it up, if you please. Let's see if we can still catch breakfast at McDonald's."

"Aye, Sir."

"Jeeves."

"Sir?"

"What about his 14-hours later post?"

"Perhaps the gentleman lives in Kabul?"

"Right. Let's go. I got shotgun!"

"As always, Sir."

[GoreBag]

"What, precisely, is a Gore Bag?"

"A Gore Bag, you ask? Why it's an imaginary container, used by imaginary creatures called Orcs, to carry souvenir body parts of their vanquished enemies."

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