More Iraqi Abuse Photos Aired on TV [Archive]

Papewaio

02-15-2006, 23:09

Anger at new Iraq abuse photos (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18165354-2,00.html)

THE United Nations has described as "deeply disturbing" images aired on Australian television last night of prisoners being abused by US soldiers in Iraq.

The US Government has confirmed the authenticity of the pictures, shown on SBS's Dateline last night, and said the pictures could endanger its troops in Iraq and inflame current tensions between the Islamic world and the West.

More grist for the mill.

Adrian II

02-15-2006, 23:39

Anger at new Iraq abuse photos (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18165354-2,00.html)

More grist for the mill.Now there, for a change, are pictures that are truly unacceptable...

Proletariat

02-15-2006, 23:43

I can't ******* believe how light the sentences were in this case.

Devastatin Dave

02-15-2006, 23:45

These are good. I really like the bloody butt one, made my nipples hard.

Adrian II

02-15-2006, 23:47

These are good. I really like the bloody butt one, made my nipples hard.Have you sent in your Holocaust cartoon to the Iranian paper yet, Dave?

Devastatin Dave

02-15-2006, 23:49

Have you sent in your Holocaust cartoon to the Iranian paper yet, Dave?
Not yet, i was going to send it to you first so you can add a little flavor to it if you know what I mean...

Adrian II

02-15-2006, 23:52

Not yet, i was going to send it to you first so you can add a little flavor to it if you know what I mean...Amazing, how someone who calls himself a Christian can be so.. tasteless.

Devastatin Dave

02-16-2006, 00:04

Amazing, how someone who calls himself a Christian can be so.. tasteless.
Amazing how someone who doesn't believe in Christ can judge me by Jesus' standards and someone that calls himself a socialist its funny to see you wasting your time instead of "progressing society" posting messages on a gameing site with a computer bought with money that could have been used by the less privilaged. :laugh4:
Yaaawn. This is just more of the same from the same incident. There's nothing new here and so I'm just making light of old news. To be honest, instead of humiliating these people we should have beheaded them with a dull knife so we can communicate better with the people of this region since this is really all they understand. Maybe if we act more like the terrorist the liberals around the world would instead of hating us they'll try to "understand" us and be more "compassionate" to our causes. After all, it makes more sense to be outraged at butt pyramids and dogs barking at people than beheadings and stonings.
So I'm rubbing one off on these great new pictures while wearing my Gimp suit from Pulp Fiction and being flogged by wet pasta noodles while a midget pinches a loaf on my chest. Please post some more of these great pics before my tobasco sauce enama is in.

Adrian II

02-16-2006, 00:11

Amazing how someone who doesn't believe in Christ can judge me by Jesus' standards(..)I don't even know for sure what they are, I am just amazed.
(..) and someone that calls himself a socialist its funny to see you wasting your time instead of "progressing society" posting messages on a gameing site with a computer bought with money that could have been used by the less privilaged. :laugh4:I have said it before: I don't post here to change the world, I post in order to learn about people that make up this world.
Yaaawn. This is just more of the same from the same incident. There's nothing new here and so I'm just making light of old news.You are making light of the victims. Hence my question whether you were sending in any cartoons to make light of the Holocaust --after all, the Holocaust too is 'old news', no?
:skull:

LeftEyeNine

02-16-2006, 00:15

..Maybe if we act more like the terrorist the liberals around the world would instead of hating us they'll try to "understand" us and be more "compassionate" to our causes..

That's something you see and learn from Hollywood, the guys out there where you invaded (whoever they are, rightful or criminal, civil or terrorist) know how to fight and survive. It is the way of life in Middle East. Duke Nukem is not real, wake up Johnny.

I'd advise you keep off such Behind-The-Keyboard actions -ironically the same thing you accuse AdrianII to be doing.

For the record, disgusting but not surprising. After all I've seen here lately, this is their sense of fun indeed.

Soulforged

02-16-2006, 00:19

Anger at new Iraq abuse photos (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18165354-2,00.html)
More grist for the mill.
Disgusting. I'm still surprised that USA has not invaded itself to stop this madness, remember your manifest destiny dear nation.:book:

Adrian II

02-16-2006, 00:31

For the record, disgusting but not surprising. After all I've seen here lately, this is their sense of fun indeed.I don't know, Len. It takes all sorts to make an army. Even the Dutch midget army has excesses like these. And the bigger the country and its army, and the more frustrating its foreign or domestic tasks, the more opportunities there are for bastards like these to do their thing. You must admit that the Turkish army for instance is not exactly a nunnery either.

What these pictures show is the impotence and frustration of the whole operation in Iraq. It is the face of a great nation, led into a useless campaign by the lousiest leadership we have seen in many years.

Papewaio

02-16-2006, 00:31

Yaaawn. This is just more of the same from the same incident. There's nothing new here and so I'm just making light of old news.

Actually the program brought new light to the paucity of charges laid out so far.

It seems that quite a bit more has been discretely handled.

In February 2006, previously unreleased photos and videos were distributed by SBS, an Australian broadcaster. According to initial reports, the Bush administration is attempting to prevent release of the images in the US, arguing that their publication could provoke antagonism towards them. According to BBC World News, the photographs were probably taken around the same time as the previously released photographs, and include some of the same prisoners and convicted soldiers from the earlier images. These newly-released photographs depict prisoners crawling on the floor naked, being forced to perform sexual acts, and being covered in feces. Some images also show homicide and corpses, some shot in the head and some with slit throats. BBC World News stated that one of the prisoners, who was reportedly mentally unstable, was considered by prison guards as a 'pet' for torture.

So they also murdered prisoners and commited far worse torture then previously revealed. This ain't old news, this is the tip of an iceberg of discretions.

Soulforged

02-16-2006, 00:56

What these pictures show is the impotence and frustration of the whole operation in Iraq. It is the face of a great nation, led into a useless campaign by the lousiest leadership we have seen in many years.
Can you assure that, hipotetically of course, with another administration this would have ended otherwise? I think that the ideal confidence in the greatness of a nation, reverent of the past, has no substance in today's world, in today's reality. I personally believe that this would have ended aproximately the same way.

LeftEyeNine

02-16-2006, 01:11

I don't know, Len. It takes all sorts to make an army. Even the Dutch midget army has excesses like these. And the bigger the country and its army, and the more frustrating its foreign or domestic tasks, the more opportunities there are for bastards like these to do their thing. You must admit that the Turkish army for instance is not exactly a nunnery either.

Putting warfare that includes torture for information aside (I accept it may/may have happened,it is everywhere), Turkish army (nor Dutch army, I think) was never exposed of actions towards "creative (!) humiliation" of those being "treated". I wonder who leaked these.

Xiahou

02-16-2006, 01:17

So they also murdered prisoners and commited far worse torture then previously revealed. This ain't old news, this is the tip of an iceberg of discretions.
Sorry, but there really is nothing new here. It was widely known to anyone following the story that what went on was more than leashes and the naked dogpiles that were typically shown. Other photos, including those showing dead prisoners were available in 2004 and reported on by the NYT. Why are we dragging this out again?

What these pictures show is the impotence and frustration of the whole operation in Iraq. It is the face of a great nation, led into a useless campaign by the lousiest leadership we have seen in many years.Oh right, so we can beat up on the US some more over 2 year old news. As if Abu Ghraib hadnt been already discussed ad nauseum. :rolleyes:

Honestly, a simple Google search turns up hits on it.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Photos_of_dead_040704.htm- this references some of the reporting from the NYT (warning: shows dead body) and is dated May 7 2004.

Personally, I think the reason these are again being circulated in the Arab world is to capitalize on the current protests and outrage over the comics. Lord knows some of those behind this have been trying to find a way to direct their anger at the US. No doubt they're hoping this will be the catalyst.

Adrian II

02-16-2006, 01:31

Oh right, so we can beat up on the US some more over 2 year old news.I wouldn't beat up on a nation where civil rights groups request such pictures from their government under an act (FOIA) that is practically unique among democracies, and obtain them as well in a gesture of fairness and transparency that is equally commendable. I just piss on leaders who mislead and humiliate their own nation in such a fashion.
As if Abu Ghraib hadnt been already discussed ad nauseum. :rolleyes:Nauseating indeed.

LeftEyeNine

02-16-2006, 01:32

Personally, I think the reason these are again being circulated in the Arab world is to capitalize on the current protests and outrage over the comics. Lord knows some of those behind this have been trying to find a way to direct their anger at the US. No doubt they're hoping this will be the catalyst.

Are the sources bringing up these "old news" Arabic ?

Papewaio

02-16-2006, 01:34

Sorry, but there really is nothing new here. It was widely known to anyone following the story that what went on was more than leashes and the naked dogpiles that were typically shown. Other photos, including those showing dead prisoners were available in 2004 and reported on by the NYT. Why are we dragging this out again?

Oh right, so we can beat up on the US some more over 2 year old news. As if Abu Ghraib hadnt been already discussed ad nauseum. :rolleyes:

"Wait and see the military will bring the guys to justice."

2 years later... well only those whose photos have been made public have been given slaps on the wrists.

Same illness as with the brits. Only photos that have been publically released have had much action done.

Honestly, a simple Google search turns up hits on it.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Photos_of_dead_040704.htm- this references some of the reporting from the NYT (warning: shows dead body) and is dated May 7 2004.

Personally, I think the reason these are again being circulated in the Arab world is to capitalize on the current protests and outrage over the comics. Lord knows some of those behind this have been trying to find a way to direct their anger at the US. No doubt they're hoping this will be the catalyst.

Australia was where these photos were published last night. It is not part of Arabia. We do however have a train called the Ghan which is short for Afghanistan, and we do export camels to the middle east.

The hope is that justice might actually be done rather then a systematic white wash.

Truth, Justice and the American Way.

So can you show me where the truth and justice is with these cases?

Xiahou

02-16-2006, 01:36

Are the sources bringing up these "old news" Arabic ?Al Jazeera and Al Aribiya(sp?) are the only 2 networks listed as reporting this besides the Australian news outlet if you watch the video link.

LeftEyeNine

02-16-2006, 01:38

Al Jazeera and Al Aribiya(sp?) are the only 2 networks listed as reporting this besides the Australian news outlet if you watch the video link.

Similar logic to what French and Norwegian papers did after the notorious charicatures published in Danish paper.

Xiahou

02-16-2006, 01:42

Similar logic to what French and Norwegian papers did after the notorious charicatures published in Danish paper.I suppose you could try to draw that relationship, but I'm not really interested in discussing it- my only point was that there is clearly alot of anger in the Muslim world, mainly directed at these comics. I think it's very likely that some of those who are fanning the flames of violence would like nothing better than to direct a healthy portion of this anger towards the US, even though we had nothing to do with the comics. I think stories like this can be used as a tool to do it, even though it's old news it's being presented as new revelations.

Maybe not, it's just my hunch- make of it what you will.

Lemur

02-16-2006, 06:44

So I'm rubbing one off on these great new pictures while wearing my Gimp suit from Pulp Fiction and being flogged by wet pasta noodles while a midget pinches a loaf on my chest. Please post some more of these great pics before my tobasco sauce enama is in.
Has someone been sending his checks to the Ann Coulter school of stand-up comedy? I guess the Backroom is a safe place to try your new material. We already know you're here all week.

Oh, and if you're not going to allow non-Christians to criticize your sophomoric posturing, I take it we Christians are allowed to do so?

Samurai Waki

02-16-2006, 07:02

...well I guess you can complain all you want...or discuss it. Nothing good is going to come of it, the only thing I feel after I see these pictures is disgust and shame on my country for touting to be such a great epicenter of civilization those boys in DC need a lesson in humility.

Fragony

02-16-2006, 09:35

Now there, for a change, are pictures that are truly unacceptable...

http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5109816,00.jpg

Nah, just a burqa for males, nothing but the eyes.

Ok, I admit, this is a bit much.

econ21

02-16-2006, 10:31

Sorry, but there really is nothing new here. It was widely known to anyone following the story that what went on was more than leashes and the naked dogpiles that were typically shown.

Well, I did not know that and I consider myself not particularly uninformed about to current events. Maybe cynics on both sides suspected as much, but I am not sure how it could be "widely known" if it was not reported on international media like the BBC.

For instance, did US soldiers actually murder people in Abu Ghraib as Pape is suggesting? Did they keep one mentally ill person as a pet to torture? Either would be news to me.

My lenient attitude to the sentencing of Lindi England et al was very much conditioned by the photos that were released. If there was much worse stuff going on, I'd have to agree with Prole and want the book thrown at the perpetrators.

Major Robert Dump

02-16-2006, 10:49

Fake.

Tribesman

02-16-2006, 10:53

Well, I did not know that and I consider myself not particularly uninformed about to current events. Maybe cynics on both sides suspected as much, but I am not sure how it could be "widely known" if it was not reported on international media like the BBC.

At the time of the initial picture releases the administration said they had a lot more photos and videos , and that some of them were more disturbing than those already released . It was reported in the media .

These are good. I really like the bloody butt one, made my nipples hard.
Dave you have repeatedly made sexual references to these photos , and you have made suggestions that journalists are getting sexual gratification out of them .
Yet it was servicemen that were taking and circulating the photos , and Grainger managed to get so turned on that he ended up humping that pug ugly inbred shortarse Lindsey .
So was it journalists or some sick servicemen who were getting their kicks from this ?
You will of course recall that this came to light because servicemen had these pictures installed as screensavers on their computers .
They must have really loved the action to be wanting to look at it all the time .

Major Robert Dump

02-16-2006, 11:10

Some of those photos had GI JOES instead of real people, and that last one Fragony posted was actually a ride.

econ21

02-16-2006, 11:15

At the time of the initial picture releases the administration said they had a lot more photos and videos , and that some of them were more disturbing than those already released . It was reported in the media.

Yes, I knew that at the time. But somehow saying someone did unspecified "disturbing" things is less damning that actually detailing them. I don't really care about releasing photos per se - who wants to look at stuff like that? - but did the Administration release details at the time - or during the court cases - of exactly what went on? Or is there new information coming out now with the pictures?

Some of what Pape's alleging is not just "more disturbing" than human pyramids, it's reaching the bounds of inhumanity.

Tribesman

02-16-2006, 11:24

Some of what Pape's alleging is not just "more disturbing" than human pyramids, it's reaching the bounds of inhumanity.
Well one of the Rape allegations involves a "civilian" contractor , since they have imunity from Iraqi law and do not come under the Military justice sytem then nithing at all can be done , apart from sacking them , as for the alledged killings , one case has been heard and it was ruled as negligent homicide not murder .

Devastatin Dave

02-16-2006, 15:15

Oh, and if you're not going to allow non-Christians to criticize your sophomoric posturing, I take it we Christians are allowed to do so?
Not allowed? Obviously anyone's allowed to criticise whomever they want. Unless you live in Norway, then you'll get in trouble for criticising the religion of pieces, oops, peace.
http://www.islamonline.org/English/News/2006-02/15/article04.shtml
Praise Allah, or be fines, jailed, or possibly beheaded in a few years.

Adrian II

02-16-2006, 15:23

http://www.islamonline.org/English/News/2006-02/15/article04.shtml
Praise Allah, or be fined, jailed, or possibly beheaded in a few years.&%^$#@!!

I hadn't seen this news yet. They are going the same way as Britain.
:brood:

LeftEyeNine

02-16-2006, 15:25

Not allowed? Obviously anyone's allowed to criticise whomever they want. Unless you live in Norway, then you'll get in trouble for criticising the religion of pieces, oops, peace.
http://www.islamonline.org/English/News/2006-02/15/article04.shtml
Praise Allah, or be fines, jailed, or possibly beheaded in a few years.

You'll need to roll your eyes forever.

Fragony

02-16-2006, 15:39

&%^$#@!!

I hadn't seen this news yet. They are going the same way as Britain.
:brood:

Well I'll be........... same here. Scared politicians bah.

Here Norway, the shining star of Bethlehem right before your trembling noses, have a sniff.

*

Oh my bad, that was christianity, that you can burn to the ground.

Adrian II

02-16-2006, 15:44

Oh my bad, that was christianity, that you can burn to the ground.Forget it, it goes for all religion.The Archbishop of Norway is very happy with the new law. He has lobbied hard for it. I told you before, Fragony, the barbarians were inside the walls all along..

Wadda ya say, guys? Shall we burn some Norwegian flags? :dizzy2:

Fragony

02-16-2006, 15:54

Forget it, it goes for all religion.The Archbishop of Norway is very happy with the new law. He has lobbied hard for it. I told you before, Fragony, the barbarians were inside the walls all along..

Wadda ya say, guys? Shall we burn some Norwegian flags? :dizzy2:

If you can still find an intact specimen I'm your man ;)

Hardly surprising that the archbishop likes this new law, but we all know that it isn't meant to cater the christians. This is self-censorship out of screaming cowardice, not out of respect, no matter how loudly they yell it. Very..... progresive of you Norway, bending over for an ultra-conservative movement really makes you guys believable.

They used to be vikings :laugh4: