View Full Version : Ashoura: WTF?
Divinus Arma
02-18-2006, 02:58
Go to google and type Ashoura into google images.
WTF?
Adrian II
02-18-2006, 03:06
Go to google and type Ashoura into google images.
WTF?Come on, this is a well-known shiite festival. Or rather their idea of a festival.
As long as they do it to themselves only... :juggle2: :book:
Devastatin Dave
02-18-2006, 03:10
I remember when i first saw this many years, it troubled me and i thought it was backwards, but as a Christian, I remind myself when I take the Lord's Supper that I'm am eating flesh and drinking blood. Also, circumsission could be considered strange to some. Its just another way of showing commitment to their Faith.
Divinus Arma
02-18-2006, 03:23
I will admit, I find it foreign and disturbing.
LeftEyeNine
02-18-2006, 03:33
Ashoura Day is the tenth day of the month of Muharrem in Hicri calendar (that starts with Muhammed's travel from Mecca to Medina). The day is blessed in Islam to be worthy of good events in many prophet's lives. And it is a custom to prepare this dessert on this day, we call it Aşure -the only Ashoura I know of. Aşure composes of the following : Wheat, dried beans, chickpea, rice, dried grapes, fig, apricot and sugar (contents vary slightly)
https://img493.imageshack.us/img493/7554/1dae071db284034cbb3bf42bb8jx.jpg
..just another way of showing commitment to their Faith.
IIRC, the ritual done in the pics you see is all about experiencing the Hz. Hussain 's suffering by themselves since he was killed on the Ashoura Day. This day is also called to be when :
Hz. Adam was forgiven of his sins,
Hz. Nuh survived the the flood (and Aşure dessert is told be to made firstly when Nuh and the survivors landed and prepared this dessert by mixing all food they had with them)
Hz. Yunus got out of the stomach of the fish,
Hz. Ibrahim did not get burned in flames
Hz. Idris rose to the sky
Hz. Suleyman was given his reign
Hz. Yusuf returned to his dad Hz. Yakub
Hz. Yusuf got out of the pit
Hz. Eyyüb was cured
Hz. Moses crossed the Red Sea and the pharaoh was devastated
Hz. Jesus was born and resurrected from death
A bunch info - must be more than you'd like to hear ~:)
Tribesman
02-18-2006, 03:39
Its just another way of showing commitment to their Faith.
Yep , like spending a week on your knees without food on a rainsoaked rocky island , or climbing a mountain with very sharp rocks barefoot and circling the altar 7 times , or how about those crazy buggers who get themselves nailed to a cross to celebrate their faith at easter .
Some people feel the need to show their faith in quite bizzare ways .:shrug:
Actually , come to think of it , what was the "christian" practice that gives us the term "redneck" .
Divinus Arma
02-18-2006, 03:41
Ashoura Day is the tenth day of the month of Muharrem in Hicri calendar (that starts with Muhammed's travel from Mecca to Medina). The day is blessed in Islam to be worthy of good events in many prophet's lives. And it is a custom to prepare this dessert on this day, we call it Asure -the only Ashoura I know of. Asure composes of the following : Wheat, dried beans, chickpea, rice, dried grapes, fig, apricot and sugar (contents varies slightly)
https://img493.imageshack.us/img493/7554/1dae071db284034cbb3bf42bb8jx.jpg
IIRC, the ritual done in the pics you see is all about experiencing the Hz. Hussain 's suffering themselves since he was killed on the Ashoura Day. This day is also called to be when :
Hz. Adam was forgiven of his sins,
Hz. Nuh survived the the flood (and Asure dessert is told be to made firstly when Nuh and the survivors landed and prepared this dessert by mixing all food they had with them)
Hz. Yunus got out of the stomach of the fish,
Hz. Ibrahim did not get burned in flames
Hz. Idris rose to the sky
Hz. Suleyman was given his reign
Hz. Yusuf returned to his dad Hz. Yakub
Hz. Yusuf got out of the pit
Hz. Eyyüb was cured
Hz. Moses crossed the Red Sea and the pharaoh was devastated
Hz. Jesus was born and resurrected from death
A bunch info - must be more than you'd like to hear ~:)
Your dessert sounds pretty tasty. That is interesting. All I see is people making themselves bleed in a massive exhibition of masochism. I understand that it is primarily Shiite...
LeftEyeNine
02-18-2006, 03:49
Your dessert sounds pretty tasty. That is interesting. All I see is people making themselves bleed in a massive exhibition of masochism. I understand that it is primarily Shiite...
Hz. Hussain was tormented to death by being not given by Yazidis in Kerbela incident. Adter his death he was beheaded by them as well. I think such masochistic demonstration resembles the torment he was exposed to.
Divinus Arma
02-18-2006, 05:29
Hz. Hussain was tormented to death by being not given by Yazidis in Kerbela incident. Adter his death he was beheaded by them as well. I think such masochistic demonstration resembles the torment he was exposed to.
We always find great reasons to make tasty deserts.
LeftEyeNine
02-18-2006, 12:08
We always find great reasons to make tasty deserts.
The dessert's reason was this one :
Hz. Nuh (Noah) survived the the flood (and Aşure dessert is told be to made firstly when Nuh and the survivors landed and prepared this dessert by mixing all food they had with them)
~:)
http://www.bintjbeil.com/A/news/2004/images/0302_ashoura_nabatieh.jpg
How exotic :laugh4: I am just dying for dialogue after seeing this :laugh4:
"circumsission could be considered strange to some" /dave
I'm circumsised... aint all that bad really! :laugh4: (no I'mnot a muslim)
Meneldil
02-18-2006, 16:44
Its just another way of showing commitment to their Faith.
A better wording would be 'It's just another silly way of showing commitment to their faith.'
A better wording would be 'It's just another silly way of showing commitment to their faith.'
http://static.flickr.com/5/5146048_be5fb9b420.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Fragony/ashoura-2004b.jpg
So young and allready so religious :laugh4: My daddy used to take me fishing.
Very small scalp wounds can bleed profusely- it's not like they're cutting themselves to ribbons to bleed like that. I dont see what the big deal is- if they want to do that why should we care? It's not hurting me, and really they're not even hurting themselves. :shrug:
Very small scalp wounds can bleed profusely- it's not like they're cutting themselves to ribbons to bleed like that. I dont see what the big deal is- if they want to do that why should we care? It's not hurting me, and really they're not even hurting themselves. :shrug:
Very small scalp? If I was a T-rex I would probably feel the same....
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Fragony/ashoura-2004b.jpg
Devastatin Dave
02-18-2006, 20:06
"circumsission could be considered strange to some" /dave
I'm circumsised... aint all that bad really! :laugh4: (no I'mnot a muslim)
I've got the turtle neck look as well.:laugh4:
Look, my point was I'm not one to judge, although I don't like seeing the kids put through this ashoura thing, seems like there would be an age of reasoning in order to choose such a practice.
I've got the turtle neck look as well.:laugh4:
Look, my point was I'm not one to judge, although I don't like seeing the kids put through this ashoura thing, seems like there would be an age of reasoning in order to choose such a practice.
I agree. Daddy I am now old enough could you please cut me up? My skull hasn't grown together by now so it should be pretty tight, just like mom.
http://static.flickr.com/5/5146048_be5fb9b420.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Fragony/ashoura-2004b.jpg
So young and allready so religious :laugh4: My daddy used to take me fishing.
That`s utterly disgusting.
LeftEyeNine
02-18-2006, 22:48
After seeing the footnote of the pic, I have made sure that that is being used as another reason to hate Muslims :
Shiite Muslim Mohammed Jomaaha cuts the head of his son with a sword during the annual ritual to mark Ashoura Dat in the southern Lebanese toen of Nahaliyeh, Tuesday March 2, 2004.
Oh yeah, in fact the kid's head is torn apart with the sword and his father is using the sword to support the divided head from sides not to fall apart.
After seeing the footnote of the pic, I have made sure that that is being used as another reason to hate Muslims :
Shiite Muslim Mohammed Jomaaha cuts the head of his son with a sword during the annual ritual to mark Ashoura Dat in the southern Lebanese toen of Nahaliyeh, Tuesday March 2, 2004.
Oh yeah, in fact the kid's head is torn apart with the sword and his father is using the sword to support the divided head from sides not to fall apart.
Yes, but as long as the images are real(kids be cut by knifes), that doesn`t really matter.
Tribesman
02-19-2006, 00:09
http://pages.zdnet.com/AsiaBill/id11.html
Now that has got to hurt .
Kanamori
02-19-2006, 00:37
If I'm recalling correctly, many of the early Christian saints were masochists who mutilated their bodies to show they were not tied down to this world. There are also the Sannyasin who distort their bodies to detach themselves, after rejecting the system of karma.
In "our" Ashurah, flogging is more common than cutting. It is a sort of macho thing among the really ardent believers. But why anyone would want to submit his child to that is beyond me. :dizzy2:
And "for us" it is not a festival, it is mourning.
Big_John
02-19-2006, 02:49
http://pages.zdnet.com/AsiaBill/id11.html
Now that has got to hurt .ouch! it's no comparison.. this is much more painful to even think about than a few bleeding cuts. imo. haha.. religion.
Sorry, I still dont see what all the hoopla is about. Im not reccommending it mind you, but there are far, far worse things that people do to their children because of cultural traditions than making a small cut on their scalp....
That's the most metal thing I've ever seen in a mainstream setting. Two thumbs up.
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